Posted October 28, 2021 Summary of arguments and rebuttals Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai? it is just for display. Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna? It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna. A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2? Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb. F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1? No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65? When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Nagisei 50 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Does the F4EJ\EJ Kai lose anything compared to the standard F4E? I think from a technically standpoint. If nothing relevant is different between F4E/EJ/EJ Kai, then whatever F4E uses, EJ/EJ Kai should right? In this case, would actually rather need documentation saying it can't use certain armaments from a technical PoV rather than requiring documentation saying it can? Edited October 21, 2021 by Nagisei Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: You're just spitting ideas out with no evidence. Is there any evidence that the main weapon computer J/AYK-1 could use the AGM-65 or AGM-62? It doesn't matter if the J/AYK-1 could use it because that's entirely irrelevant because the ASQ-91 on the F-4E can't either. That capability is granted through the AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike targeting pod. Any aircraft that can be fitted with the AN/ASQ-153 can fire AGM-65s and AGM-62s because the fire control computing is done inside of the external pod. There is no mention because Japan never bought these pods, but they can be retrofitted onto any phantom which has the correct wiring in the forward left AIM-7 pylon which the EJ Kai does. While you are so desperate to keep Japan from getting any form of guided weapons, then patting yourself on the back afterwards, why don't you do some reports for planes for other nations such as the Lynx and it's hellfires, the AH-64D and it's stingers, the F-5E and it's mavericks or even now with the Mig-21 SPK? All are in the same situation yet you only get this fanatical about Japan and don't seem to care when other nations get such freedom with weapons systems. 1 3 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... AngelPipes 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, _David_Bowie_ said: There is no mention of the AGM-65 at any JASDF public event, in any book, or in the newspaper. You can see, there is no evidence. You're the only one claiming that the F-4EJ Kai can use AGM-65 & AGM-62. Maybe just because there no point talking about AGM-65 on F-4EJ Kai, cause they used mainly in fighter role? Why old variants of F-4E can use guided weapon, but Modernized F-4E can't? "I'm sorry, but technically usable is an important point" Where same weapon loads on all F-4? Ah yes, balance. Edited October 21, 2021 by minibebra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, minibebra said: Maybe just because there no point talking about AGM-65 on F-4EJ Kai, cause they used mainly in fighter role? Why old variants of F-4E can use guided weapon, but Modernized F-4E can't? Probably because the earlier version of EJ's can't either and they didn't bother with the functionality as a defense oriented nation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... AngelPipes 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, spamanator500 said: Probably because the earlier version of EJ's can't either and they didn't bother with the functionality as a defense oriented nation? But we talking about EJ Kai that serviced till 2020 year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, minibebra said: Maybe just because there no point talking about AGM-65 on F-4EJ Kai, cause they used mainly in fighter role? Why old variants of F-4E can use guided weapon, but Modernized F-4E can't? "I'm sorry, but technically usable is an important point" Where same weapon loads on all F-4? Ah yes, balance. This is because during the modernization process, Mavericks were not modified to be usable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, minibebra said: But we talking about EJ Kai that serviced till 2020 year. My point still stands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... AngelPipes 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, _David_Bowie_ said: This is because during the modernization process, Mavericks were not modified to be usable. So Kawasaki was so dumb that they leave f-4e only whit fighter capabylity and yeeted agm-65 only on prop plane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, minibebra said: But we talking about EJ Kai that serviced till 2020 year. Yah, and the F-4Es are irrelevant because Japan didn't use them. The F-4EJ had no option for guided weapons, that capability wasn't added until the kai upgrade with GCS-1 and ASM-1 and ASM-2. But the F-4EJ kai can't fire AGM-65. Just now, minibebra said: So Kawasaki was so dumb that they leave f-4e only whit fighter capabylity and yeeted agm-65 only on prop plane Yes, that is literally what they did if you take a moment to look into the F-4EJ. It removed the ability to fire AGM-65 by removing the ARW-77 AGM computer. This capability wasn't readded with the kai upgrade so it still shouldn't be able to even technically use it, even with the aid of the targeting pod that the pilot would have no control over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, minibebra said: So Kawasaki was so dumb that they leave f-4e only whit fighter capabylity and yeeted agm-65 only on prop plane Go to Japanses MoD 13 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: It doesn't matter if the J/AYK-1 could use it because that's entirely irrelevant because the ASQ-91 on the F-4E can't either. That capability is granted through the AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike targeting pod. Any aircraft that can be fitted with the AN/ASQ-153 can fire AGM-65s and AGM-62s because the fire control computing is done inside of the external pod. There is no mention because Japan never bought these pods, but they can be retrofitted onto any phantom which has the correct wiring in the forward left AIM-7 pylon which the EJ Kai does. While you are so desperate to keep Japan from getting any form of guided weapons, then patting yourself on the back afterwards, why don't you do some reports for planes for other nations such as the Lynx and it's hellfires, the AH-64D and it's stingers, the F-5E and it's mavericks or even now with the Mig-21 SPK? All are in the same situation yet you only get this fanatical about Japan and don't seem to care when other nations get such freedom with weapons systems. AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike? Pave Spike is just a targeting pod, Operational capabilities depend on the weapon computer And, importantly, the F-4EJ Kai doesn't have a display compatible with the AGM-65 and AGM-62's TV cameras. If you're thinking of just throwing the AGM-65 and 62 on the ground, I agree. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Nagisei said: Does the F4EJ\EJ Kai lose anything compared to the standard F4E? I think from a technically standpoint. If nothing relevant is different between F4E/EJ/EJ Kai, then whatever F4E uses, EJ/EJ Kai should right? In this case, would actually rather need documentation saying it can't use certain armaments from a technical PoV rather than requiring documentation saying it can? The F-4EJ still doesn't have the DCU-9/A nuclear weapons control device, the ASQ-91 bombing computer, the ARW-77 AGM control device, or the aerial refueling capability that was removed on the F-4EJ. So it still wouldn't be able to use AGMs even from a technical point of view; the J/AYK-1 central computer added during the kai upgrade to control ASM-1 and ASM-2 shows no signs that it's compatible with AGM-65. Edited October 21, 2021 by Wiggly_Armed_Man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: It doesn't matter if the J/AYK-1 could use it because that's entirely irrelevant because the ASQ-91 on the F-4E can't either. That capability is granted through the AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike targeting pod. Any aircraft that can be fitted with the AN/ASQ-153 can fire AGM-65s and AGM-62s because the fire control computing is done inside of the external pod. There is no mention because Japan never bought these pods, but they can be retrofitted onto any phantom which has the correct wiring in the forward left AIM-7 pylon which the EJ Kai does. While you are so desperate to keep Japan from getting any form of guided weapons, then patting yourself on the back afterwards, why don't you do some reports for planes for other nations such as the Lynx and it's hellfires, the AH-64D and it's stingers, the F-5E and it's mavericks or even now with the Mig-21 SPK? All are in the same situation yet you only get this fanatical about Japan and don't seem to care when other nations get such freedom with weapons systems. I'm not sure this is feasible or even possible as I've sat in both seats on both EJ & EJ改 during the "Phantom Last Flight" event and my travels, but I didn't see any place they could have wired up a spare screen for the armaments that you're talking about..... Edited October 21, 2021 by spamanator500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Nacho5944 181 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, spamanator500 said: I'm not sure this is feasible or even possible as I've sat in both seats on both EJ & EJ改 during the "Phantom Last Flight" event and my travels, but I didn't see any place they could have wired up a spare screen for the armaments that you're talking about..... Wait, if that's the case, then how the heck does the US F-4E use AGM-65's? The rear cockpits of the EJ and the E should be identical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... SturmWerwolf 793 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Everyone will have to wait for Smin or another CM. Whenever he wakes up (UK TZ, he's on) They've got the final call on this stuff. I personally support the Aircraft keeping it's JDAMs, it's at least something until a proper historical replacement arrives which could be over a year. The developers already worked hard on them, it seems like such a waste to just throw it away for nothing. From a gameplay perspective also, people aren't gonna be happy with just nothing. On the other hand please don't make this stuff personal, everyone wants to have fun it's a game. No threating to punch people, please Reddit. That escalates things and isn't helpful at all. Edited October 21, 2021 by SturmWerwolf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: And, importantly, the F-4EJ Kai doesn't have a display compatible with the AGM-65 and AGM-62's TV cameras. If you're thinking of just throwing the AGM-65 and 62 on the ground, I agree. The EJ Kai straight up has a contrast knob for it's monitor to display a TV feed Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nacho5944 said: Wait, if that's the case, then how the heck does the US F-4E use AGM-65's? The rear cockpits of the EJ and the E should be identical. Haven't been on a US F-4E unfortunately, but there's a fairly significant difference when they upgraded the EJ cockpit to the EJ改one. As far as I could tell by looking at pictures for the US Upgraded F-4E, they seem to have integrated the sights onto the MFD screens or a separate screen on the radar officer's seat, but those don't exist on the EJ改 as only radar & RWR screens are available. Edited October 21, 2021 by spamanator500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: The EJ Kai straight up has a contrast knob for it's monitor to display a TV feed that's a display only for radar, check number 8 Spoiler Edited October 21, 2021 by _David_Bowie_ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: that's a display only for radar, check number 8 How else do you think American F-4E's get their TV input from Mavericks because there sure as hell isn't a separate display. How do you expect RF-4EJ Kai's to get the video feed from their TAC pods since their cockpits are unmodified? You also don't need contrast adjustment for non-TV feeds, especially not green on a black background. Spoiler Edited October 21, 2021 by AnimeThighs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: How else do you think American F-4E's get their TV input from Mavericks because there sure as hell isn't a separate display. How do you expect RF-4EJ Kai's to get the video feed from their TAC pods since their cockpits are unmodified? You also don't need contrast adjustment for non-TV feeds, especially not green on a black background. Reveal hidden contents You might need to explain how the two? three? film camera types they use have video outputs and how they're related to the EJ改. Furthermore, the system you've included as examples, has more features available to it than the one mounted on the EJ改. Edited October 21, 2021 by spamanator500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: How else do you think American F-4E's get their TV input from Mavericks because there sure as hell isn't a separate display. that's just your idea, Does the display for that EJ Kai have a TV switch function button like the one on the F-4E? please think about what you are saying 11 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: How do you expect RF-4EJ Kai's to get the video feed from their TAC pods since their cockpits are unmodified? You also don't need contrast adjustment for non-TV feeds, especially not green on a black background. RF-4EJ only used film cameras ok my bad Edited October 21, 2021 by _David_Bowie_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: TV switch function button like the one on the F-4E? You want to find that one on the F-5E which also uses Mavs in-game? Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: How do you expect RF-4EJ Kai's to get the video feed from their TAC pods since their cockpits are unmodified? You also don't need contrast adjustment for non-TV feeds, especially not green on a black background. Yes, that's right, RF-4EJ Kai doesn't exist, The aircraft called RF-4EJ Kai is RF-4EJ number 9-15, and the reason it is called RF-4EJ Kai is because it was equipped with EJ Kai's J/ASN-4 and J/APR-6A. They are just modifications of the F-4EJ 6 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: You want to find that one on the F-5E which also uses Mavs in-game? The current in-game F-5E is a strange Frankenstein aircraft with all E/F/N mixed, so I will pass. Edited October 21, 2021 by _David_Bowie_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, AnimeThighs said: You want to find that one on the F-5E which also uses Mavs in-game? No one I ever talk to agrees that it should've gotten Mavericks though I am curious as to what Gaijin's reasoning was behind it. They have pulled a "another country modified it" before with the F-104G. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, _David_Bowie_ said: The current in-game F-5E is a strange Frankenstein aircraft with all E/F/N mixed, so I will pass. So where is your bug report crusade on that plane? Why can't the EJ Kai be an EJ/E Frankenstein? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, AnimeThighs said: So where is your bug report crusade on that plane? Why can't the EJ Kai be an EJ/E Frankenstein? 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Nagisei 50 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Does the F4EJ\EJ Kai lose anything compared to the standard F4E? I think from a technically standpoint. If nothing relevant is different between F4E/EJ/EJ Kai, then whatever F4E uses, EJ/EJ Kai should right? In this case, would actually rather need documentation saying it can't use certain armaments from a technical PoV rather than requiring documentation saying it can? Edited October 21, 2021 by Nagisei Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: You're just spitting ideas out with no evidence. Is there any evidence that the main weapon computer J/AYK-1 could use the AGM-65 or AGM-62? It doesn't matter if the J/AYK-1 could use it because that's entirely irrelevant because the ASQ-91 on the F-4E can't either. That capability is granted through the AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike targeting pod. Any aircraft that can be fitted with the AN/ASQ-153 can fire AGM-65s and AGM-62s because the fire control computing is done inside of the external pod. There is no mention because Japan never bought these pods, but they can be retrofitted onto any phantom which has the correct wiring in the forward left AIM-7 pylon which the EJ Kai does. While you are so desperate to keep Japan from getting any form of guided weapons, then patting yourself on the back afterwards, why don't you do some reports for planes for other nations such as the Lynx and it's hellfires, the AH-64D and it's stingers, the F-5E and it's mavericks or even now with the Mig-21 SPK? All are in the same situation yet you only get this fanatical about Japan and don't seem to care when other nations get such freedom with weapons systems. 1 3 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelPipes 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, _David_Bowie_ said: There is no mention of the AGM-65 at any JASDF public event, in any book, or in the newspaper. You can see, there is no evidence. You're the only one claiming that the F-4EJ Kai can use AGM-65 & AGM-62. Maybe just because there no point talking about AGM-65 on F-4EJ Kai, cause they used mainly in fighter role? Why old variants of F-4E can use guided weapon, but Modernized F-4E can't? "I'm sorry, but technically usable is an important point" Where same weapon loads on all F-4? Ah yes, balance. Edited October 21, 2021 by minibebra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, minibebra said: Maybe just because there no point talking about AGM-65 on F-4EJ Kai, cause they used mainly in fighter role? Why old variants of F-4E can use guided weapon, but Modernized F-4E can't? Probably because the earlier version of EJ's can't either and they didn't bother with the functionality as a defense oriented nation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelPipes 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, spamanator500 said: Probably because the earlier version of EJ's can't either and they didn't bother with the functionality as a defense oriented nation? But we talking about EJ Kai that serviced till 2020 year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, minibebra said: Maybe just because there no point talking about AGM-65 on F-4EJ Kai, cause they used mainly in fighter role? Why old variants of F-4E can use guided weapon, but Modernized F-4E can't? "I'm sorry, but technically usable is an important point" Where same weapon loads on all F-4? Ah yes, balance. This is because during the modernization process, Mavericks were not modified to be usable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, minibebra said: But we talking about EJ Kai that serviced till 2020 year. My point still stands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelPipes 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, _David_Bowie_ said: This is because during the modernization process, Mavericks were not modified to be usable. So Kawasaki was so dumb that they leave f-4e only whit fighter capabylity and yeeted agm-65 only on prop plane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, minibebra said: But we talking about EJ Kai that serviced till 2020 year. Yah, and the F-4Es are irrelevant because Japan didn't use them. The F-4EJ had no option for guided weapons, that capability wasn't added until the kai upgrade with GCS-1 and ASM-1 and ASM-2. But the F-4EJ kai can't fire AGM-65. Just now, minibebra said: So Kawasaki was so dumb that they leave f-4e only whit fighter capabylity and yeeted agm-65 only on prop plane Yes, that is literally what they did if you take a moment to look into the F-4EJ. It removed the ability to fire AGM-65 by removing the ARW-77 AGM computer. This capability wasn't readded with the kai upgrade so it still shouldn't be able to even technically use it, even with the aid of the targeting pod that the pilot would have no control over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, minibebra said: So Kawasaki was so dumb that they leave f-4e only whit fighter capabylity and yeeted agm-65 only on prop plane Go to Japanses MoD 13 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: It doesn't matter if the J/AYK-1 could use it because that's entirely irrelevant because the ASQ-91 on the F-4E can't either. That capability is granted through the AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike targeting pod. Any aircraft that can be fitted with the AN/ASQ-153 can fire AGM-65s and AGM-62s because the fire control computing is done inside of the external pod. There is no mention because Japan never bought these pods, but they can be retrofitted onto any phantom which has the correct wiring in the forward left AIM-7 pylon which the EJ Kai does. While you are so desperate to keep Japan from getting any form of guided weapons, then patting yourself on the back afterwards, why don't you do some reports for planes for other nations such as the Lynx and it's hellfires, the AH-64D and it's stingers, the F-5E and it's mavericks or even now with the Mig-21 SPK? All are in the same situation yet you only get this fanatical about Japan and don't seem to care when other nations get such freedom with weapons systems. AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike? Pave Spike is just a targeting pod, Operational capabilities depend on the weapon computer And, importantly, the F-4EJ Kai doesn't have a display compatible with the AGM-65 and AGM-62's TV cameras. If you're thinking of just throwing the AGM-65 and 62 on the ground, I agree. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Nagisei said: Does the F4EJ\EJ Kai lose anything compared to the standard F4E? I think from a technically standpoint. If nothing relevant is different between F4E/EJ/EJ Kai, then whatever F4E uses, EJ/EJ Kai should right? In this case, would actually rather need documentation saying it can't use certain armaments from a technical PoV rather than requiring documentation saying it can? The F-4EJ still doesn't have the DCU-9/A nuclear weapons control device, the ASQ-91 bombing computer, the ARW-77 AGM control device, or the aerial refueling capability that was removed on the F-4EJ. So it still wouldn't be able to use AGMs even from a technical point of view; the J/AYK-1 central computer added during the kai upgrade to control ASM-1 and ASM-2 shows no signs that it's compatible with AGM-65. Edited October 21, 2021 by Wiggly_Armed_Man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: It doesn't matter if the J/AYK-1 could use it because that's entirely irrelevant because the ASQ-91 on the F-4E can't either. That capability is granted through the AN/ASQ-153 Pave Spike targeting pod. Any aircraft that can be fitted with the AN/ASQ-153 can fire AGM-65s and AGM-62s because the fire control computing is done inside of the external pod. There is no mention because Japan never bought these pods, but they can be retrofitted onto any phantom which has the correct wiring in the forward left AIM-7 pylon which the EJ Kai does. While you are so desperate to keep Japan from getting any form of guided weapons, then patting yourself on the back afterwards, why don't you do some reports for planes for other nations such as the Lynx and it's hellfires, the AH-64D and it's stingers, the F-5E and it's mavericks or even now with the Mig-21 SPK? All are in the same situation yet you only get this fanatical about Japan and don't seem to care when other nations get such freedom with weapons systems. I'm not sure this is feasible or even possible as I've sat in both seats on both EJ & EJ改 during the "Phantom Last Flight" event and my travels, but I didn't see any place they could have wired up a spare screen for the armaments that you're talking about..... Edited October 21, 2021 by spamanator500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacho5944 181 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, spamanator500 said: I'm not sure this is feasible or even possible as I've sat in both seats on both EJ & EJ改 during the "Phantom Last Flight" event and my travels, but I didn't see any place they could have wired up a spare screen for the armaments that you're talking about..... Wait, if that's the case, then how the heck does the US F-4E use AGM-65's? The rear cockpits of the EJ and the E should be identical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturmWerwolf 793 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Everyone will have to wait for Smin or another CM. Whenever he wakes up (UK TZ, he's on) They've got the final call on this stuff. I personally support the Aircraft keeping it's JDAMs, it's at least something until a proper historical replacement arrives which could be over a year. The developers already worked hard on them, it seems like such a waste to just throw it away for nothing. From a gameplay perspective also, people aren't gonna be happy with just nothing. On the other hand please don't make this stuff personal, everyone wants to have fun it's a game. No threating to punch people, please Reddit. That escalates things and isn't helpful at all. Edited October 21, 2021 by SturmWerwolf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: And, importantly, the F-4EJ Kai doesn't have a display compatible with the AGM-65 and AGM-62's TV cameras. If you're thinking of just throwing the AGM-65 and 62 on the ground, I agree. The EJ Kai straight up has a contrast knob for it's monitor to display a TV feed Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nacho5944 said: Wait, if that's the case, then how the heck does the US F-4E use AGM-65's? The rear cockpits of the EJ and the E should be identical. Haven't been on a US F-4E unfortunately, but there's a fairly significant difference when they upgraded the EJ cockpit to the EJ改one. As far as I could tell by looking at pictures for the US Upgraded F-4E, they seem to have integrated the sights onto the MFD screens or a separate screen on the radar officer's seat, but those don't exist on the EJ改 as only radar & RWR screens are available. Edited October 21, 2021 by spamanator500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: The EJ Kai straight up has a contrast knob for it's monitor to display a TV feed that's a display only for radar, check number 8 Spoiler Edited October 21, 2021 by _David_Bowie_ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: that's a display only for radar, check number 8 How else do you think American F-4E's get their TV input from Mavericks because there sure as hell isn't a separate display. How do you expect RF-4EJ Kai's to get the video feed from their TAC pods since their cockpits are unmodified? You also don't need contrast adjustment for non-TV feeds, especially not green on a black background. Spoiler Edited October 21, 2021 by AnimeThighs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: How else do you think American F-4E's get their TV input from Mavericks because there sure as hell isn't a separate display. How do you expect RF-4EJ Kai's to get the video feed from their TAC pods since their cockpits are unmodified? You also don't need contrast adjustment for non-TV feeds, especially not green on a black background. Reveal hidden contents You might need to explain how the two? three? film camera types they use have video outputs and how they're related to the EJ改. Furthermore, the system you've included as examples, has more features available to it than the one mounted on the EJ改. Edited October 21, 2021 by spamanator500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: How else do you think American F-4E's get their TV input from Mavericks because there sure as hell isn't a separate display. that's just your idea, Does the display for that EJ Kai have a TV switch function button like the one on the F-4E? please think about what you are saying 11 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: How do you expect RF-4EJ Kai's to get the video feed from their TAC pods since their cockpits are unmodified? You also don't need contrast adjustment for non-TV feeds, especially not green on a black background. RF-4EJ only used film cameras ok my bad Edited October 21, 2021 by _David_Bowie_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: TV switch function button like the one on the F-4E? You want to find that one on the F-5E which also uses Mavs in-game? Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: How do you expect RF-4EJ Kai's to get the video feed from their TAC pods since their cockpits are unmodified? You also don't need contrast adjustment for non-TV feeds, especially not green on a black background. Yes, that's right, RF-4EJ Kai doesn't exist, The aircraft called RF-4EJ Kai is RF-4EJ number 9-15, and the reason it is called RF-4EJ Kai is because it was equipped with EJ Kai's J/ASN-4 and J/APR-6A. They are just modifications of the F-4EJ 6 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: You want to find that one on the F-5E which also uses Mavs in-game? The current in-game F-5E is a strange Frankenstein aircraft with all E/F/N mixed, so I will pass. Edited October 21, 2021 by _David_Bowie_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, AnimeThighs said: You want to find that one on the F-5E which also uses Mavs in-game? No one I ever talk to agrees that it should've gotten Mavericks though I am curious as to what Gaijin's reasoning was behind it. They have pulled a "another country modified it" before with the F-104G. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, _David_Bowie_ said: The current in-game F-5E is a strange Frankenstein aircraft with all E/F/N mixed, so I will pass. So where is your bug report crusade on that plane? Why can't the EJ Kai be an EJ/E Frankenstein? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, AnimeThighs said: So where is your bug report crusade on that plane? Why can't the EJ Kai be an EJ/E Frankenstein? Because that'll be weird and take away one of the biggest things that differentiate the E and the EJ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai?
it is just for display.
Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna?
It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna.
A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2?
Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb.
F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1?
No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance
F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65?
When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai.
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