Posted October 28, 2021 Summary of arguments and rebuttals Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai? it is just for display. Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna? It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna. A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2? Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb. F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1? No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65? When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: Because that'll be weird and take away one of the biggest things that differentiate the E and the EJ? I'm mainly talking about the EJ Kai here which would still have plenty to differentiate it from the regular E including flight performance since the E would have the Agile Eagle upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: So where is your bug report crusade on that plane? Why can't the EJ Kai be an EJ/E Frankenstein? I don't think it's even an EJ/E Frankenstein, more of a RF-4EJ and F-4EJ改 Frankenstein. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) So what are you going to say now? RF-4EJ has no cockpit changes, so data can be taken from the TAC pod as is. The F-4EJ Kai's display is for radar, so it's impossible to use Maverick. And there's no evidence that J/AYK-1 incorporates AGM-65 function. F-5's Maverick? It was discussed several times that it should be deleted 15 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: So where is your bug report crusade on that plane? Because it was all rejected in the dev server 15 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: Why can't the EJ Kai be an EJ/E Frankenstein? For the same reason as above, it was not tested on the F-4EJ and EJ Kai. Edited October 21, 2021 by _David_Bowie_ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: Because it was all rejected in the dev server And now we get to the core of the issue. You seemed to have designated yourself the authority on what can be suggested and what can't by the player base when it is ultimately up to Gaijin. You've basically spent the entire day trying to shut down basically all discussion on the topic when people are just throwing out ideas and leaving it up to Gaijin whether or not to implement those ideas. People making suggestions here doesn't mean they will automatically be added to the game. I don't know why it's so hard for you to sit back and be quiet during these discussions since: 1) You have no real authority in what is added or not 2) You have no idea about the criteria Gaijin uses when selecting what to add and what not to add. 10 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: For the same reason as above, it was not tested on the F-4EJ and EJ Kai. I mean Smin directly contradicts this in the comment you posted with the "or were upgrade kits with retrospective fitting being possible". This clearly shows that just the ability to mount a system is enough and the Pave Spike system as a whole was designed for drop in compatibility back to DSCG Phantoms which the EJ's were. The F-5E we have in-game is 10x more egregious than an EJ Kai with Mavs would ever be, so I will let Gaijin decide on if they want to go that route or not and I don't need you constantly trying to shut down all discussion until then. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: I mean Smin directly contradicts this in the comment you posted with the "or were upgrade kits with retrospective fitting being possible". It's not available for the EJ改 because of the upgrades. I don't understand why you keep pushing the notion that it is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Smin1080p_WT 60,444 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 hours ago, SturmWerwolf said: Gaijin gave you the JDAMs, it was at least something. Players weren't content and pushed for their removal before the update, when they don't have any replacement ready. Developing a proper replacement takes time and resources (not to mention it might not even arrive for quite sometime). "Be careful what you wish for you might just get it". The only thing they could do is still add the JDAMs back, although it probably too late now. @Smin1080p Would still have the final say I assume. They wont be considered for adding back unless technically possible for the EJ Kai. Which based on the report we currently believe to not be. There was no upgrade kit for the EJ Kai in this area. It's not the same case as Hellfires on a Lynx as that was actually tested and offered, the same with all other examples like the MiG-21SPS which has upgraded and modifications done to export PFMs which is what the SPS is. 1 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Smin1080p said: They wont be considered for adding back unless technically possible for the EJ Kai. What about the possibility of Mavericks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Smin1080p_WT 60,444 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: What about the possibility of Mavericks? Again, it would need to be backed by some sort of technical possibility linked to the EJ Kai (tests, proposals, test evidence it was capable etc). If that's the case, we can pass the suggestion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Iron_physik 3,485 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, AnimeThighs said: There should be no issue with the EJ Kai receiving Mavericks since as Grom puts it; It just needs to be possible to use, which it is. Can you please pass this possibility onto the devs as this would make the Japanese Phantom more in line with the F-4E and F-4F with their Mavericks. Edit: This would also open the EJ Kai to receiving AGM-62's as well. thats not how it works the JASDF when receiving F-4EJs removed all air to ground attack equiptment, including the ability to use mavericks from the airframe, so to get it again you would have to put the wiring in place. on top of that not even the F-4E should be able to use Walleyes, the Walleye capable F-4 model was the F-4D Edited October 21, 2021 by Iron_physik 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... RytisLTU1 2,585 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 9 hours ago, SturmWerwolf said: Yep ... Good work guys. You got the JDAMs removed, before they even had a replacement ready. Now the F-4EJ Kai will have nothing and probably won't for a good while. @LordMustang @Optical_Ilyushin Don't worry I'm not blaming you guys. More so the people that pushed for their removal before Gaijin had a proper replacement ready. Its historicaly accurate, so its fine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator Optical_Ilyushin 5,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 As mentioned before, the P-1 would serve well for a Japanese asset with mavericks. Being able to carry 8 of them in addition to a healthy suite of bombs or torpedoes, as well as the countermeasures, avionics, and electronic systems on board, means it could be quite the nightmare to be on the receiving end of in a combined arms situation, BR depending of course. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Mako_Reizei1 275 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 3 hours ago, AnimeThighs said: While you are so desperate to keep Japan from getting any form of guided weapons, then patting yourself on the back afterwards, why don't you do some reports for planes for other nations such as the Lynx and it's hellfires, the AH-64D and it's stingers, the F-5E and it's mavericks or even now with the Mig-21 SPK? All are in the same situation yet you only get this fanatical about Japan and don't seem to care when other nations get such freedom with weapons systems. thats a true weaboos moment right here, saying hes wrong for reporting this bug is not a great argument yet again gaijin only care about technical aspect thats why a single picture of german F-4F with AIM-9J and Maverick plus Flight Manual are enough prove even when germany never bought Maverick or AIM-9J. Same goes with SPS-K and F-104S (AIM-9J/losing its gun for sparrow loudout) 3 hours ago, minibebra said: So Kawasaki was so dumb that they leave f-4e only whit fighter capabylity and yeeted agm-65 only on prop plane thats not an argument, that just random nonsense, i remember when some dude said fuel has no effect on APFSDS and his argument were exactly like yours without any source proving his claim. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Optical_Ilyushin said: As mentioned before, the P-1 would serve well for a Japanese asset with mavericks. Being able to carry 8 of them in addition to a healthy suite of bombs or torpedoes, as well as the countermeasures, avionics, and electronic systems on board, means it could be quite the nightmare to be on the receiving end of in a combined arms situation, BR depending of course. Might be taking this a little bit off-topic but I think it would do fine either as a replacement to the R2Y2s or just come after them rather than being on the heavy bomber tree, although I think I may need to research more before I have a solid stance for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, spamanator500 said: Might be taking this a little bit off-topic but I think it would do fine either as a replacement to the R2Y2s or just come after them rather than being on the heavy bomber tree, although I think I may need to research more before I have a solid stance for it. 7.7 would be far too low for it. I suspect it would be around 9.0, at the least. The power of eight Mavericks cannot be understated. Edited October 21, 2021 by Wiggly_Armed_Man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... warhead_beast 352 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) This probabaly is also off topic, the P3C of the JMSDF should also carry maverics and even Bombs Edited October 21, 2021 by warhead_beast Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Soooo, I know the discussion is pretty heated with the stunting of CAS capabilities for top tier Japan but what's the word on the GCS-1 bombs for Japan? Is it being held back for release like the Type 10 MBT due to the lack of information on performance? Also on that note for stuff slated for release, what's the word on the AN/ALE-41K chaff pods for the EJ Phantom, T-2, and F-1? Migs are getting some love with the countermeasure pods so it would be pretty nice to see the AN/ALE-41K (mostly for the T-2/F-1) to augment its ground RB CAS capabilities... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... SturmWerwolf 793 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, RytisLTU1 said: Its historicaly accurate, so its fine Yeah, I tried. I guess the F-4EJ Kai will just be in limbo now, until they work out the GCS-1 or something else for it. As for the Mitsubishi F-2 people mentioned as CAS. Well, that's a Japanese variant of the US F-16C, who knows when that'll show up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MD_mudhen 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Grats, japan will not have guided munitons to use against ground ever for like the next 5-6 years until F15J or F-2 comes out. So balanced, so fair. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... GildyMenn21 285 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, RytisLTU1 said: Its historicaly accurate, so its fine Okay, reading this hole topic. Gaijin can’t allow Japan to have guided bombs (even when they need it) because of doubts regarding it’s detection or Tracking? so they gonna remove it for historical accuracy. but Gaijin can easily allow the Harrier GR.1 to have the SRAAM missiles even though they have never used and equipt them but yet hasn’t been removed for historical accuracy. Anyway i simple don’t understand why they add something they barely have any knowledge of hyping the community and then disappoint them. Edited October 21, 2021 by GildyMenn21 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Hirosava_Ui 39 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Optical_Ilyushin said: As mentioned before, the P-1 would serve well for a Japanese asset with mavericks. Being able to carry 8 of them in addition to a healthy suite of bombs or torpedoes, as well as the countermeasures, avionics, and electronic systems on board, means it could be quite the nightmare to be on the receiving end of in a combined arms situation, BR depending of course. Main problem with P-1... He is hella huge. And fully unable to fight back. And he isnt fast enough. So you cant put it on low BR, cause it will be too op because of Mavs, bombs and other stuf, but on higher BR it will be just useless, cause it cant be properly used in Air RB and in Ground RB 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Hirosava_Ui 39 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 And actually, idk why devs dont like it (at least on Russian forum they are putting all this suggestions in "rejected by community", while they have pretty good amount of upvotes), but basically making a Korean sub-tree for Japan will solve almost all their problems. They will receive good CAS and several more top tier MBTs to match with other countries. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Mr_Pokemon26295 358 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Hirosava_Ui said: Main problem with P-1... He is hella huge. And fully unable to fight back. And he isnt fast enough. So you cant put it on low BR, cause it will be too op because of Mavs, bombs and other stuf, but on higher BR it will be just useless, cause it cant be properly used in Air RB and in Ground RB P1 and Nimrod MR should come together in an update;) Edit: ohhh I see what you mean theres quite a difference between the 2, nimrod can defend itself while this guy can't It might need a Ground RB specific battle rating in this case Edited October 21, 2021 by Mr_Pokemon26295 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Hirosava_Ui 39 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr_Pokemon26295 said: P1 and Nimrod MR should come together in an update;) Only as a joke aircrafy, i guess 2 minutes ago, Mr_Pokemon26295 said: P1 and Nimrod MR should come together in an update;) Edit: ohhh I see what you mean theres quite a difference between the 2, nimrod can defend itself while this guy can't It might need a Ground RB specific battle rating in this case Yeah, specific BR should be in game from the start. But it wont help much. Again, it will be absolutely massacared by AA in GRB and by CAS aircraft, so you cant put it too high. But at BR without SAMs it still be both OP and Garbage at the same time, cause it will be killed even by props and simple SPAAGs and at the same time it will massacare ground targets with 8 Mavs. And in ARB it will be just worse Canberra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... AngelPipes 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mako_Reizei1 said: thats not an argument, that just random nonsense, i remember when some dude said fuel has no effect on APFSDS and his argument were exactly like yours without any source proving his claim. It's sounds of burning ****, all nations have guided weapon but not japan for years Dunno about fuel you talking, fuel tanks dont exploding in reall life or he tolded about fuel not have stoping some kinetic force from apfsds? Still waiting CBU-87 on F-1 Edited October 21, 2021 by minibebra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 It's not really Gaijin's fault that Japan just hasn't invested much into air-to-ground attack capability. As it stands, the only options for a immediate answer to this apparent problem is either the P-3C or the P-1. A jet with the capability would have to wait until either documentation unfolds that reveals GCS-1 capability against the ground (or confirms our suspicions that it isn't possible) or until the F-2 arrives with JDAM capability. Adding it to the F-4EJ kai just cuz isn't the answer, but is this really that much of a problem in the first place? The F-4EJ kai is already potent with a bomb computer and a hefty payload of twenty-four 500 lb bombs, sixteen 750 lb bombs, 285 "Mighty Mouse", or 60 "Zuni". 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Next Page 14 of 30 Share More sharing options... Followers 1
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: Because that'll be weird and take away one of the biggest things that differentiate the E and the EJ? I'm mainly talking about the EJ Kai here which would still have plenty to differentiate it from the regular E including flight performance since the E would have the Agile Eagle upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: So where is your bug report crusade on that plane? Why can't the EJ Kai be an EJ/E Frankenstein? I don't think it's even an EJ/E Frankenstein, more of a RF-4EJ and F-4EJ改 Frankenstein. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator David Bowie 1,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) So what are you going to say now? RF-4EJ has no cockpit changes, so data can be taken from the TAC pod as is. The F-4EJ Kai's display is for radar, so it's impossible to use Maverick. And there's no evidence that J/AYK-1 incorporates AGM-65 function. F-5's Maverick? It was discussed several times that it should be deleted 15 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: So where is your bug report crusade on that plane? Because it was all rejected in the dev server 15 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: Why can't the EJ Kai be an EJ/E Frankenstein? For the same reason as above, it was not tested on the F-4EJ and EJ Kai. Edited October 21, 2021 by _David_Bowie_ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: Because it was all rejected in the dev server And now we get to the core of the issue. You seemed to have designated yourself the authority on what can be suggested and what can't by the player base when it is ultimately up to Gaijin. You've basically spent the entire day trying to shut down basically all discussion on the topic when people are just throwing out ideas and leaving it up to Gaijin whether or not to implement those ideas. People making suggestions here doesn't mean they will automatically be added to the game. I don't know why it's so hard for you to sit back and be quiet during these discussions since: 1) You have no real authority in what is added or not 2) You have no idea about the criteria Gaijin uses when selecting what to add and what not to add. 10 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: For the same reason as above, it was not tested on the F-4EJ and EJ Kai. I mean Smin directly contradicts this in the comment you posted with the "or were upgrade kits with retrospective fitting being possible". This clearly shows that just the ability to mount a system is enough and the Pave Spike system as a whole was designed for drop in compatibility back to DSCG Phantoms which the EJ's were. The F-5E we have in-game is 10x more egregious than an EJ Kai with Mavs would ever be, so I will let Gaijin decide on if they want to go that route or not and I don't need you constantly trying to shut down all discussion until then. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: I mean Smin directly contradicts this in the comment you posted with the "or were upgrade kits with retrospective fitting being possible". It's not available for the EJ改 because of the upgrades. I don't understand why you keep pushing the notion that it is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smin1080p_WT 60,444 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 hours ago, SturmWerwolf said: Gaijin gave you the JDAMs, it was at least something. Players weren't content and pushed for their removal before the update, when they don't have any replacement ready. Developing a proper replacement takes time and resources (not to mention it might not even arrive for quite sometime). "Be careful what you wish for you might just get it". The only thing they could do is still add the JDAMs back, although it probably too late now. @Smin1080p Would still have the final say I assume. They wont be considered for adding back unless technically possible for the EJ Kai. Which based on the report we currently believe to not be. There was no upgrade kit for the EJ Kai in this area. It's not the same case as Hellfires on a Lynx as that was actually tested and offered, the same with all other examples like the MiG-21SPS which has upgraded and modifications done to export PFMs which is what the SPS is. 1 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Smin1080p said: They wont be considered for adding back unless technically possible for the EJ Kai. What about the possibility of Mavericks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smin1080p_WT 60,444 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, AnimeThighs said: What about the possibility of Mavericks? Again, it would need to be backed by some sort of technical possibility linked to the EJ Kai (tests, proposals, test evidence it was capable etc). If that's the case, we can pass the suggestion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_physik 3,485 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, AnimeThighs said: There should be no issue with the EJ Kai receiving Mavericks since as Grom puts it; It just needs to be possible to use, which it is. Can you please pass this possibility onto the devs as this would make the Japanese Phantom more in line with the F-4E and F-4F with their Mavericks. Edit: This would also open the EJ Kai to receiving AGM-62's as well. thats not how it works the JASDF when receiving F-4EJs removed all air to ground attack equiptment, including the ability to use mavericks from the airframe, so to get it again you would have to put the wiring in place. on top of that not even the F-4E should be able to use Walleyes, the Walleye capable F-4 model was the F-4D Edited October 21, 2021 by Iron_physik 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RytisLTU1 2,585 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 9 hours ago, SturmWerwolf said: Yep ... Good work guys. You got the JDAMs removed, before they even had a replacement ready. Now the F-4EJ Kai will have nothing and probably won't for a good while. @LordMustang @Optical_Ilyushin Don't worry I'm not blaming you guys. More so the people that pushed for their removal before Gaijin had a proper replacement ready. Its historicaly accurate, so its fine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator Optical_Ilyushin 5,554 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 As mentioned before, the P-1 would serve well for a Japanese asset with mavericks. Being able to carry 8 of them in addition to a healthy suite of bombs or torpedoes, as well as the countermeasures, avionics, and electronic systems on board, means it could be quite the nightmare to be on the receiving end of in a combined arms situation, BR depending of course. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako_Reizei1 275 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 3 hours ago, AnimeThighs said: While you are so desperate to keep Japan from getting any form of guided weapons, then patting yourself on the back afterwards, why don't you do some reports for planes for other nations such as the Lynx and it's hellfires, the AH-64D and it's stingers, the F-5E and it's mavericks or even now with the Mig-21 SPK? All are in the same situation yet you only get this fanatical about Japan and don't seem to care when other nations get such freedom with weapons systems. thats a true weaboos moment right here, saying hes wrong for reporting this bug is not a great argument yet again gaijin only care about technical aspect thats why a single picture of german F-4F with AIM-9J and Maverick plus Flight Manual are enough prove even when germany never bought Maverick or AIM-9J. Same goes with SPS-K and F-104S (AIM-9J/losing its gun for sparrow loudout) 3 hours ago, minibebra said: So Kawasaki was so dumb that they leave f-4e only whit fighter capabylity and yeeted agm-65 only on prop plane thats not an argument, that just random nonsense, i remember when some dude said fuel has no effect on APFSDS and his argument were exactly like yours without any source proving his claim. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamanator500 94 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Optical_Ilyushin said: As mentioned before, the P-1 would serve well for a Japanese asset with mavericks. Being able to carry 8 of them in addition to a healthy suite of bombs or torpedoes, as well as the countermeasures, avionics, and electronic systems on board, means it could be quite the nightmare to be on the receiving end of in a combined arms situation, BR depending of course. Might be taking this a little bit off-topic but I think it would do fine either as a replacement to the R2Y2s or just come after them rather than being on the heavy bomber tree, although I think I may need to research more before I have a solid stance for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, spamanator500 said: Might be taking this a little bit off-topic but I think it would do fine either as a replacement to the R2Y2s or just come after them rather than being on the heavy bomber tree, although I think I may need to research more before I have a solid stance for it. 7.7 would be far too low for it. I suspect it would be around 9.0, at the least. The power of eight Mavericks cannot be understated. Edited October 21, 2021 by Wiggly_Armed_Man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warhead_beast 352 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) This probabaly is also off topic, the P3C of the JMSDF should also carry maverics and even Bombs Edited October 21, 2021 by warhead_beast Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Soooo, I know the discussion is pretty heated with the stunting of CAS capabilities for top tier Japan but what's the word on the GCS-1 bombs for Japan? Is it being held back for release like the Type 10 MBT due to the lack of information on performance? Also on that note for stuff slated for release, what's the word on the AN/ALE-41K chaff pods for the EJ Phantom, T-2, and F-1? Migs are getting some love with the countermeasure pods so it would be pretty nice to see the AN/ALE-41K (mostly for the T-2/F-1) to augment its ground RB CAS capabilities... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturmWerwolf 793 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, RytisLTU1 said: Its historicaly accurate, so its fine Yeah, I tried. I guess the F-4EJ Kai will just be in limbo now, until they work out the GCS-1 or something else for it. As for the Mitsubishi F-2 people mentioned as CAS. Well, that's a Japanese variant of the US F-16C, who knows when that'll show up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD_mudhen 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 Grats, japan will not have guided munitons to use against ground ever for like the next 5-6 years until F15J or F-2 comes out. So balanced, so fair. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GildyMenn21 285 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, RytisLTU1 said: Its historicaly accurate, so its fine Okay, reading this hole topic. Gaijin can’t allow Japan to have guided bombs (even when they need it) because of doubts regarding it’s detection or Tracking? so they gonna remove it for historical accuracy. but Gaijin can easily allow the Harrier GR.1 to have the SRAAM missiles even though they have never used and equipt them but yet hasn’t been removed for historical accuracy. Anyway i simple don’t understand why they add something they barely have any knowledge of hyping the community and then disappoint them. Edited October 21, 2021 by GildyMenn21 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirosava_Ui 39 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Optical_Ilyushin said: As mentioned before, the P-1 would serve well for a Japanese asset with mavericks. Being able to carry 8 of them in addition to a healthy suite of bombs or torpedoes, as well as the countermeasures, avionics, and electronic systems on board, means it could be quite the nightmare to be on the receiving end of in a combined arms situation, BR depending of course. Main problem with P-1... He is hella huge. And fully unable to fight back. And he isnt fast enough. So you cant put it on low BR, cause it will be too op because of Mavs, bombs and other stuf, but on higher BR it will be just useless, cause it cant be properly used in Air RB and in Ground RB 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirosava_Ui 39 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 And actually, idk why devs dont like it (at least on Russian forum they are putting all this suggestions in "rejected by community", while they have pretty good amount of upvotes), but basically making a Korean sub-tree for Japan will solve almost all their problems. They will receive good CAS and several more top tier MBTs to match with other countries. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Pokemon26295 358 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Hirosava_Ui said: Main problem with P-1... He is hella huge. And fully unable to fight back. And he isnt fast enough. So you cant put it on low BR, cause it will be too op because of Mavs, bombs and other stuf, but on higher BR it will be just useless, cause it cant be properly used in Air RB and in Ground RB P1 and Nimrod MR should come together in an update;) Edit: ohhh I see what you mean theres quite a difference between the 2, nimrod can defend itself while this guy can't It might need a Ground RB specific battle rating in this case Edited October 21, 2021 by Mr_Pokemon26295 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirosava_Ui 39 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr_Pokemon26295 said: P1 and Nimrod MR should come together in an update;) Only as a joke aircrafy, i guess 2 minutes ago, Mr_Pokemon26295 said: P1 and Nimrod MR should come together in an update;) Edit: ohhh I see what you mean theres quite a difference between the 2, nimrod can defend itself while this guy can't It might need a Ground RB specific battle rating in this case Yeah, specific BR should be in game from the start. But it wont help much. Again, it will be absolutely massacared by AA in GRB and by CAS aircraft, so you cant put it too high. But at BR without SAMs it still be both OP and Garbage at the same time, cause it will be killed even by props and simple SPAAGs and at the same time it will massacare ground targets with 8 Mavs. And in ARB it will be just worse Canberra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelPipes 31 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mako_Reizei1 said: thats not an argument, that just random nonsense, i remember when some dude said fuel has no effect on APFSDS and his argument were exactly like yours without any source proving his claim. It's sounds of burning ****, all nations have guided weapon but not japan for years Dunno about fuel you talking, fuel tanks dont exploding in reall life or he tolded about fuel not have stoping some kinetic force from apfsds? Still waiting CBU-87 on F-1 Edited October 21, 2021 by minibebra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 It's not really Gaijin's fault that Japan just hasn't invested much into air-to-ground attack capability. As it stands, the only options for a immediate answer to this apparent problem is either the P-3C or the P-1. A jet with the capability would have to wait until either documentation unfolds that reveals GCS-1 capability against the ground (or confirms our suspicions that it isn't possible) or until the F-2 arrives with JDAM capability. Adding it to the F-4EJ kai just cuz isn't the answer, but is this really that much of a problem in the first place? The F-4EJ kai is already potent with a bomb computer and a hefty payload of twenty-four 500 lb bombs, sixteen 750 lb bombs, 285 "Mighty Mouse", or 60 "Zuni". 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai?
it is just for display.
Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna?
It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna.
A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2?
Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb.
F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1?
No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance
F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65?
When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai.
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