Posted October 28, 2021 Summary of arguments and rebuttals Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai? it is just for display. Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna? It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna. A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2? Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb. F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1? No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65? When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Red_Panda__ 51 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fireraid233 said: Yeah I think we'll be fine for now while we will get out performed it can be a good missile thrower. did the f-4ej kai have a helmet-mounted target designation system? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Red_Panda__ said: did the f-4ej kai have a helmet-mounted target designation system? I'm honestly not sure I only hear the F-15J and F-2s having it but not sure about the EJ Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Nacho5944 181 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 AAM-3 should perform much better than the 9M, since the 9M is really only a seekerhead upgrade over the 9L and not an agility upgrade. AAM-3 really performs somewhere between the 9L and the 9X in terms of agility, while having a much better HOBS capability, at least in seekerhead gimbal limit, than perhaps even the R-73, and very good IRCCM capability as well. It would be quite a formidable missile. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... oom1992 649 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 18 hours ago, KILL001 said: I think the F-4EJ Kai would be a fairly balanced aircraft if it got it's full capability of armaments - and would probably bridge the technological gap of the future F-15J and F-2, considering all it needs at this point is: AAM-3 (compared to the R-73 for the Mig-29 which people seem ok with being added) Aim-9M (not too sure on the full capability of the missile, so this may possibly wait) Possible additions upon being proven can be: HOBS Radar gunsight It would essentially be a support fighter missile bus at the top tier meta, with potent missiles but being unable to dogfight and having a lower T/W ratio, but against F-16 Block 10+s, Mig-29s, (tentative) Tornado ADVs, (tentative) JA-37Ds, and F-14As flying around, I would definitely still take it to top tier as it would fill a niche of a missile slinger until AMRAAMs and other crazy ARH missiles get added in earnest On 06/09/2022 at 03:42, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: AAM-3 would be too powerful. Unlike every other all-aspect missile in the game, the motor and fin assembly is actually modern. It would be more maneuverable than any other missile, just about or on par with the SRAAM, while retaining the range of a normal short-range missile and having the most modern and best all-aspect seeker. It's far better than the AIM-9L and ranks between the capability of the AIM-9M and Block I AIM-9X. The Russian contemporary would be the R-73, and no aircraft capable of firing it is even in-game yet. AIM-9L is the only sensible option unless you want to powercreep the missiles, and it's a option that also extends to the F-1 and the regular F-4EJ if they ever need it. I'm not sure F-4EJ KAI support AIM-9M in real life or avaliable exclusive AAM-3 only ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Nacho5944 said: AAM-3 should perform much better than the 9M, since the 9M is really only a seekerhead upgrade over the 9L and not an agility upgrade. AAM-3 really performs somewhere between the 9L and the 9X in terms of agility, while having a much better HOBS capability, at least in seekerhead gimbal limit, than perhaps even the R-73, and very good IRCCM capability as well. It would be quite a formidable missile. I wouldn't over estimate. It's good but not that good. If your looking for a AIM-9X equivalent that would be AAM-5. AAM-3 lack thrust vectoring it is probably more in line to a Magic 2 or Python. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 3 hours ago, WW_WingedWalker said: From my understanding currently, the HOB is already being implemented into the game, as well as the F-4J for America getting a similar upgrade to capability via a HMD. Currently it is non-functional/buggy as hell on the Dev Server, however, while using the AIM-9L's HOB shots should be possible. As far as the other IR missiles, however, I'm a bit mixed. The AIM-9M and AAM-3 would be fairly similar in performance from my limited understanding, both being very capable missile similar to the R-73 Archer for the MiG-29's. On the flip side, currently as it stands in the game said archers, while good, are not operating up to their maximum potential from what I've been told by some testers of the MiG-29, and they've stated that it should be doing more than it is now, but they're also glad it's not yet doing it as well. The AAM-3 should be brought in with either the F-2 or F-15J simply because those are the biggest programs that not only used the weapons but also, in the case of the F-2, were somewhat planned around the airframe using that missile if I recall correctly. Not only that but, the AIM-9L's should be sufficient enough for the Kai at least for now, playing a more supporting role as a missile truck for the team to help trim off the edges of the furball ensuing in the middle. That being said, if the 9L's are not necessarily enough, I could see the 9M's being brought in as an intermediary in the mean time, or instead the AAM-3's being brought in earlier than the aforementioned F-2 and/or F-15J to rectify it, in a perfect world at least. My expectations are a bit low overall just due to the scale of the update as is, and due to the potential of Japan getting something more at Rank 8 than the Kai getting moved up to it. It was just a comment on a developer stream about it so, just how accurate the information is could be varied depending on how clearly the details were communicated to the gentleman doing the stream at the time and so forth... However, I'm being cautiously optimistic for this update for a change instead of just being full of doubt. Who knows, maybe they'll fix a bit more than we plan on. I somewhat doubt it, again due to the scale, but we'll find out when we find out I suppose. I'm an absolute idiot since I just realized I typed in Aim-9M (Sidewinder) instead of Aim-7M (Sparrow), but as of looking at the latest dev server on Monday, it seems like the R-73 is performing much better than before - being much more flare resistant than the initial dev server (apparently nigh impossible to dodge from the rear aspect despite flaring?) and it seems to leave Aim-9Ls in the dust. While I entertain new tech being added to the game to push the envelope of what top tier may be in the future, I feel like the powercreep is turning into a powersurge at this rate and the EJ Kai would probably be deserving of a better armament to keep up (as with many other nations coming this next patch). But it will strictly depend on how strong the Mig-29 is, since it's being tested in the dev server right now. I'm also very unsure if Japan will get anything this patch aside from the premium F-4EJ ATDW since.... their next best thing would be the XF-2A prototype, which is equivalent to something akin to an F-16C/D so my expectations are low for something new... but I certainly wouldn't mind an F-4EJ Kai that could keep up with the new meta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... oom1992 649 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, KILL001 said: I'm an absolute idiot since I just realized I typed in Aim-9M (Sidewinder) instead of Aim-7M (Sparrow), but as of looking at the latest dev server on Monday, it seems like the R-73 is performing much better than before - being much more flare resistant than the initial dev server (apparently nigh impossible to dodge from the rear aspect despite flaring?) and it seems to leave Aim-9Ls in the dust. While I entertain new tech being added to the game to push the envelope of what top tier may be in the future, I feel like the powercreep is turning into a powersurge at this rate and the EJ Kai would probably be deserving of a better armament to keep up (as with many other nations coming this next patch). But it will strictly depend on how strong the Mig-29 is, since it's being tested in the dev server right now. I'm also very unsure if Japan will get anything this patch aside from the premium F-4EJ ATDW since.... their next best thing would be the XF-2A prototype, which is equivalent to something akin to an F-16C/D so my expectations are low for something new... but I certainly wouldn't mind an F-4EJ Kai that could keep up with the new meta Ahh you guess developer might be consider add AIM-7M replace AIM-7E & AIM-9M replace AIM-9P after 1st dev server ? Edited December 13, 2022 by oom1992 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, oom1992 said: You guess developer might be consider add AIM-7M replace AIM-7E & AIM-9M replace AIM-9P after 1st dev server ? I'm not sure how good the Aim-7M Sparrow is, so unsure if it will get it. But looking at the R-73 looming over the horizon (and the recent buffs to it on the dev server) I don't think it's too much of a stretch to give it the AAM-3, even though it'd be unlikely since the EJ Kai is already getting Aim-9Ls this coming patch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 Well R-73s have been removed so there's that. Honestly the Kai is looking to be pretty deadly this patch 4 AIM-9Ls and 4 AIM-7Fs 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 That's a relief (although nothing is set in stone until final release so I'm not holding my breath), I think the EJ Kai will perform just fine and will still be relatively competitive in its own niche Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... oom1992 649 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, KILL001 said: I'm not sure how good the Aim-7M Sparrow is, so unsure if it will get it. But looking at the R-73 looming over the horizon (and the recent buffs to it on the dev server) I don't think it's too much of a stretch to give it the AAM-3, even though it'd be unlikely since the EJ Kai is already getting Aim-9Ls this coming patch. 2 hours ago, Fireraid233 said: Well R-73s have been removed so there's that. Honestly the Kai is looking to be pretty deadly this patch 4 AIM-9Ls and 4 AIM-7Fs Is there any possible that developer could add AIM-7M replace AIM-7E later dev server ? Edited December 13, 2022 by oom1992 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... jd_hog77 332 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, oom1992 said: Is there any possible that developer could add AIM-7M replace AIM-7E later dev server ? No, the Chinese F-16 only got access to 7F’s instead of its normal M’s. So very doubtful the the EJ Kai will get them. Edited December 13, 2022 by jd_hog77 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... oom1992 649 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, jd_hog77 said: No, the Chinese F-16 only got access to 7F’s instead of its normal M’s. So very doubtful the the EJ Kai will get them. You guess developer could add AIM-7M on F-4EJ KAI to next major update in Q1 2023 or Q2 2023 ? Edited December 13, 2022 by oom1992 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Nacho5944 181 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 9 hours ago, Fireraid233 said: I wouldn't over estimate. It's good but not that good. If your looking for a AIM-9X equivalent that would be AAM-5. AAM-3 lack thrust vectoring it is probably more in line to a Magic 2 or Python. Oh no I wasn't saying it was going to be an AIM-9X equivalent, there's definitely quite a capability gap between them, just that the exact agility specs are unknown to us and lie somewhere between a 9L and a 9X, probably around 40ish G's. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Uberdude9001 78 Report post Posted December 16, 2022 With anti-ship missiles announced for Tornado IDS ASM-1 and 2 on this plane are long overdue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 AS.34 on the Tornado IDS is guided by inertial guidance, then switches to active radar in the terminal phase........ much like the ASM-1 missiles the ASM-2 has a slightly different guidance system (inertial guidance and IR imaging), so unsure if Gaijin would be willing to add it, but ASM-1 seems fair since the naval Tornado IDS has the AS.34 sea skimming missile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... jd_hog77 332 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 09:20, oom1992 said: You guess developer could add AIM-7M on F-4EJ KAI to next major update in Q1 2023 or Q2 2023 ? Nope, probably won’t see them on any plane for a year minimum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Numba_1_Manchurian_Chankoro 181 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 EJ kai should get AMRAAMS before anyone else does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... jd_hog77 332 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Vasilly_Willy said: EJ kai should get AMRAAMS before anyone else does. It never used them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Numba_1_Manchurian_Chankoro 181 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, jd_hog77 said: It never used them. I was under the impression that it did, guess not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PlumleyBT 2,980 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 Can someone, please, enlight me on the incoming F-4 premium? Perhaps compared to the EJ Kai? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Xermaz 73 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, PlumleyBT said: Can someone, please, enlight me on the incoming F-4 premium? Perhaps compared to the EJ Kai? I think it was a f4e from a trial verison. Basically the same as the f4ej not the kai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _MakiMaki_ 89 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, PlumleyBT said: Can someone, please, enlight me on the incoming F-4 premium? Perhaps compared to the EJ Kai? F-4EJ ADTW 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... IzumoKai54 206 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, PlumleyBT said: Can someone, please, enlight me on the incoming F-4 premium? Perhaps compared to the EJ Kai? As said before, it's the F-4EJ ADTW(Air Development and Test Wing), what we don't know is whether it's a Kai or not, perhaps it might be a prototype of the Kai seeing as it is a F-4EJ in the ADTW. Any of the air technology developed typically goes through the ADTW first. If it is a prototype of the Kai it'll probably just be a Kai without some weaponry(Aim-9Ls, Aim-7Fs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PlumleyBT 2,980 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, IzumoKai54 said: As said before, it's the F-4EJ ADTW(Air Development and Test Wing), what we don't know is whether it's a Kai or not, perhaps it might be a prototype of the Kai seeing as it is a F-4EJ in the ADTW. Any of the air technology developed typically goes through the ADTW first. If it is a prototype of the Kai it'll probably just be a Kai without some weaponry(Aim-9Ls, Aim-7Fs). Thank you. So we can expect an F-4 between F-4EJ and kai, realistically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Next Page 26 of 30 Share More sharing options... Followers 1
Red_Panda__ 51 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fireraid233 said: Yeah I think we'll be fine for now while we will get out performed it can be a good missile thrower. did the f-4ej kai have a helmet-mounted target designation system? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Red_Panda__ said: did the f-4ej kai have a helmet-mounted target designation system? I'm honestly not sure I only hear the F-15J and F-2s having it but not sure about the EJ Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacho5944 181 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 AAM-3 should perform much better than the 9M, since the 9M is really only a seekerhead upgrade over the 9L and not an agility upgrade. AAM-3 really performs somewhere between the 9L and the 9X in terms of agility, while having a much better HOBS capability, at least in seekerhead gimbal limit, than perhaps even the R-73, and very good IRCCM capability as well. It would be quite a formidable missile. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oom1992 649 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 18 hours ago, KILL001 said: I think the F-4EJ Kai would be a fairly balanced aircraft if it got it's full capability of armaments - and would probably bridge the technological gap of the future F-15J and F-2, considering all it needs at this point is: AAM-3 (compared to the R-73 for the Mig-29 which people seem ok with being added) Aim-9M (not too sure on the full capability of the missile, so this may possibly wait) Possible additions upon being proven can be: HOBS Radar gunsight It would essentially be a support fighter missile bus at the top tier meta, with potent missiles but being unable to dogfight and having a lower T/W ratio, but against F-16 Block 10+s, Mig-29s, (tentative) Tornado ADVs, (tentative) JA-37Ds, and F-14As flying around, I would definitely still take it to top tier as it would fill a niche of a missile slinger until AMRAAMs and other crazy ARH missiles get added in earnest On 06/09/2022 at 03:42, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: AAM-3 would be too powerful. Unlike every other all-aspect missile in the game, the motor and fin assembly is actually modern. It would be more maneuverable than any other missile, just about or on par with the SRAAM, while retaining the range of a normal short-range missile and having the most modern and best all-aspect seeker. It's far better than the AIM-9L and ranks between the capability of the AIM-9M and Block I AIM-9X. The Russian contemporary would be the R-73, and no aircraft capable of firing it is even in-game yet. AIM-9L is the only sensible option unless you want to powercreep the missiles, and it's a option that also extends to the F-1 and the regular F-4EJ if they ever need it. I'm not sure F-4EJ KAI support AIM-9M in real life or avaliable exclusive AAM-3 only ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Nacho5944 said: AAM-3 should perform much better than the 9M, since the 9M is really only a seekerhead upgrade over the 9L and not an agility upgrade. AAM-3 really performs somewhere between the 9L and the 9X in terms of agility, while having a much better HOBS capability, at least in seekerhead gimbal limit, than perhaps even the R-73, and very good IRCCM capability as well. It would be quite a formidable missile. I wouldn't over estimate. It's good but not that good. If your looking for a AIM-9X equivalent that would be AAM-5. AAM-3 lack thrust vectoring it is probably more in line to a Magic 2 or Python. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 3 hours ago, WW_WingedWalker said: From my understanding currently, the HOB is already being implemented into the game, as well as the F-4J for America getting a similar upgrade to capability via a HMD. Currently it is non-functional/buggy as hell on the Dev Server, however, while using the AIM-9L's HOB shots should be possible. As far as the other IR missiles, however, I'm a bit mixed. The AIM-9M and AAM-3 would be fairly similar in performance from my limited understanding, both being very capable missile similar to the R-73 Archer for the MiG-29's. On the flip side, currently as it stands in the game said archers, while good, are not operating up to their maximum potential from what I've been told by some testers of the MiG-29, and they've stated that it should be doing more than it is now, but they're also glad it's not yet doing it as well. The AAM-3 should be brought in with either the F-2 or F-15J simply because those are the biggest programs that not only used the weapons but also, in the case of the F-2, were somewhat planned around the airframe using that missile if I recall correctly. Not only that but, the AIM-9L's should be sufficient enough for the Kai at least for now, playing a more supporting role as a missile truck for the team to help trim off the edges of the furball ensuing in the middle. That being said, if the 9L's are not necessarily enough, I could see the 9M's being brought in as an intermediary in the mean time, or instead the AAM-3's being brought in earlier than the aforementioned F-2 and/or F-15J to rectify it, in a perfect world at least. My expectations are a bit low overall just due to the scale of the update as is, and due to the potential of Japan getting something more at Rank 8 than the Kai getting moved up to it. It was just a comment on a developer stream about it so, just how accurate the information is could be varied depending on how clearly the details were communicated to the gentleman doing the stream at the time and so forth... However, I'm being cautiously optimistic for this update for a change instead of just being full of doubt. Who knows, maybe they'll fix a bit more than we plan on. I somewhat doubt it, again due to the scale, but we'll find out when we find out I suppose. I'm an absolute idiot since I just realized I typed in Aim-9M (Sidewinder) instead of Aim-7M (Sparrow), but as of looking at the latest dev server on Monday, it seems like the R-73 is performing much better than before - being much more flare resistant than the initial dev server (apparently nigh impossible to dodge from the rear aspect despite flaring?) and it seems to leave Aim-9Ls in the dust. While I entertain new tech being added to the game to push the envelope of what top tier may be in the future, I feel like the powercreep is turning into a powersurge at this rate and the EJ Kai would probably be deserving of a better armament to keep up (as with many other nations coming this next patch). But it will strictly depend on how strong the Mig-29 is, since it's being tested in the dev server right now. I'm also very unsure if Japan will get anything this patch aside from the premium F-4EJ ATDW since.... their next best thing would be the XF-2A prototype, which is equivalent to something akin to an F-16C/D so my expectations are low for something new... but I certainly wouldn't mind an F-4EJ Kai that could keep up with the new meta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oom1992 649 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, KILL001 said: I'm an absolute idiot since I just realized I typed in Aim-9M (Sidewinder) instead of Aim-7M (Sparrow), but as of looking at the latest dev server on Monday, it seems like the R-73 is performing much better than before - being much more flare resistant than the initial dev server (apparently nigh impossible to dodge from the rear aspect despite flaring?) and it seems to leave Aim-9Ls in the dust. While I entertain new tech being added to the game to push the envelope of what top tier may be in the future, I feel like the powercreep is turning into a powersurge at this rate and the EJ Kai would probably be deserving of a better armament to keep up (as with many other nations coming this next patch). But it will strictly depend on how strong the Mig-29 is, since it's being tested in the dev server right now. I'm also very unsure if Japan will get anything this patch aside from the premium F-4EJ ATDW since.... their next best thing would be the XF-2A prototype, which is equivalent to something akin to an F-16C/D so my expectations are low for something new... but I certainly wouldn't mind an F-4EJ Kai that could keep up with the new meta Ahh you guess developer might be consider add AIM-7M replace AIM-7E & AIM-9M replace AIM-9P after 1st dev server ? Edited December 13, 2022 by oom1992 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, oom1992 said: You guess developer might be consider add AIM-7M replace AIM-7E & AIM-9M replace AIM-9P after 1st dev server ? I'm not sure how good the Aim-7M Sparrow is, so unsure if it will get it. But looking at the R-73 looming over the horizon (and the recent buffs to it on the dev server) I don't think it's too much of a stretch to give it the AAM-3, even though it'd be unlikely since the EJ Kai is already getting Aim-9Ls this coming patch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 Well R-73s have been removed so there's that. Honestly the Kai is looking to be pretty deadly this patch 4 AIM-9Ls and 4 AIM-7Fs 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 That's a relief (although nothing is set in stone until final release so I'm not holding my breath), I think the EJ Kai will perform just fine and will still be relatively competitive in its own niche Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oom1992 649 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, KILL001 said: I'm not sure how good the Aim-7M Sparrow is, so unsure if it will get it. But looking at the R-73 looming over the horizon (and the recent buffs to it on the dev server) I don't think it's too much of a stretch to give it the AAM-3, even though it'd be unlikely since the EJ Kai is already getting Aim-9Ls this coming patch. 2 hours ago, Fireraid233 said: Well R-73s have been removed so there's that. Honestly the Kai is looking to be pretty deadly this patch 4 AIM-9Ls and 4 AIM-7Fs Is there any possible that developer could add AIM-7M replace AIM-7E later dev server ? Edited December 13, 2022 by oom1992 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd_hog77 332 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, oom1992 said: Is there any possible that developer could add AIM-7M replace AIM-7E later dev server ? No, the Chinese F-16 only got access to 7F’s instead of its normal M’s. So very doubtful the the EJ Kai will get them. Edited December 13, 2022 by jd_hog77 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oom1992 649 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, jd_hog77 said: No, the Chinese F-16 only got access to 7F’s instead of its normal M’s. So very doubtful the the EJ Kai will get them. You guess developer could add AIM-7M on F-4EJ KAI to next major update in Q1 2023 or Q2 2023 ? Edited December 13, 2022 by oom1992 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacho5944 181 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 9 hours ago, Fireraid233 said: I wouldn't over estimate. It's good but not that good. If your looking for a AIM-9X equivalent that would be AAM-5. AAM-3 lack thrust vectoring it is probably more in line to a Magic 2 or Python. Oh no I wasn't saying it was going to be an AIM-9X equivalent, there's definitely quite a capability gap between them, just that the exact agility specs are unknown to us and lie somewhere between a 9L and a 9X, probably around 40ish G's. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberdude9001 78 Report post Posted December 16, 2022 With anti-ship missiles announced for Tornado IDS ASM-1 and 2 on this plane are long overdue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 AS.34 on the Tornado IDS is guided by inertial guidance, then switches to active radar in the terminal phase........ much like the ASM-1 missiles the ASM-2 has a slightly different guidance system (inertial guidance and IR imaging), so unsure if Gaijin would be willing to add it, but ASM-1 seems fair since the naval Tornado IDS has the AS.34 sea skimming missile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd_hog77 332 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 09:20, oom1992 said: You guess developer could add AIM-7M on F-4EJ KAI to next major update in Q1 2023 or Q2 2023 ? Nope, probably won’t see them on any plane for a year minimum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numba_1_Manchurian_Chankoro 181 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 EJ kai should get AMRAAMS before anyone else does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd_hog77 332 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Vasilly_Willy said: EJ kai should get AMRAAMS before anyone else does. It never used them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numba_1_Manchurian_Chankoro 181 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, jd_hog77 said: It never used them. I was under the impression that it did, guess not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlumleyBT 2,980 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 Can someone, please, enlight me on the incoming F-4 premium? Perhaps compared to the EJ Kai? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xermaz 73 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, PlumleyBT said: Can someone, please, enlight me on the incoming F-4 premium? Perhaps compared to the EJ Kai? I think it was a f4e from a trial verison. Basically the same as the f4ej not the kai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MakiMaki_ 89 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, PlumleyBT said: Can someone, please, enlight me on the incoming F-4 premium? Perhaps compared to the EJ Kai? F-4EJ ADTW 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IzumoKai54 206 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, PlumleyBT said: Can someone, please, enlight me on the incoming F-4 premium? Perhaps compared to the EJ Kai? As said before, it's the F-4EJ ADTW(Air Development and Test Wing), what we don't know is whether it's a Kai or not, perhaps it might be a prototype of the Kai seeing as it is a F-4EJ in the ADTW. Any of the air technology developed typically goes through the ADTW first. If it is a prototype of the Kai it'll probably just be a Kai without some weaponry(Aim-9Ls, Aim-7Fs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlumleyBT 2,980 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, IzumoKai54 said: As said before, it's the F-4EJ ADTW(Air Development and Test Wing), what we don't know is whether it's a Kai or not, perhaps it might be a prototype of the Kai seeing as it is a F-4EJ in the ADTW. Any of the air technology developed typically goes through the ADTW first. If it is a prototype of the Kai it'll probably just be a Kai without some weaponry(Aim-9Ls, Aim-7Fs). Thank you. So we can expect an F-4 between F-4EJ and kai, realistically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai?
it is just for display.
Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna?
It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna.
A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2?
Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb.
F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1?
No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance
F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65?
When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai.
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