Posted October 28, 2021 Summary of arguments and rebuttals Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai? it is just for display. Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna? It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna. A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2? Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb. F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1? No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65? When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... CreditCardCmndo 1,261 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 On 21/01/2020 at 03:55, Iron_physik said: same goes with the F-14 and F-15. Not so sure about the Tomcat she a pretty big lady herself but the F15 would stomp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Bringer_Of_War 901 Report post Posted February 21, 2020 If it wasnt coming in 1.97 wouldn't they have completely denied it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, _ArchangelAzrael said: If it wasnt coming in 1.97 wouldn't they have completely denied it ? It is strange but still we will see maybe it could be the F4EJ and not the Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... CreditCardCmndo 1,261 Report post Posted February 21, 2020 Why should we see the Kai? Isn't it an upgrade package from the 90's on the F-4E(J) i mean how about to be satisfied with the F-4EJ for now since no other Nations has the E variant with the onboard gun yet. No gotta go straight for the best available right? Hold horses wait and see as nothing was confirmed,they said they will look into it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted February 22, 2020 7 hours ago, CreditCardCmndo said: Why should we see the Kai? Isn't it an upgrade package from the 90's on the F-4E(J) i mean how about to be satisfied with the F-4EJ for now since no other Nations has the E variant with the onboard gun yet. No gotta go straight for the best available right? Hold horses wait and see as nothing was confirmed,they said they will look into it More like it's already being researched/developed. DMM posted a tweet of an street where an air force base is clearly they are getting research for the plane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... CotorShas 427 Report post Posted February 22, 2020 8 hours ago, CreditCardCmndo said: Why should we see the Kai? Isn't it an upgrade package from the 90's on the F-4E(J) i mean how about to be satisfied with the F-4EJ for now since no other Nations has the E variant with the onboard gun yet. No gotta go straight for the best available right? Hold horses wait and see as nothing was confirmed,they said they will look into it It's more the fact that the EJ kai was teased and not the regular EJ. Besides the EJ kai will not preform especially differently than the EJ. Same engines, same airframe (I thinl somw control surfacw upgrades but nothing too insane). Avionics matter more IRL than in game. The Kai would just allow for more options such as more advanced missiles or playing around with HUDs and other stuff if that starts to get added. I see no reason why an American F4E would be at a distinct disadvantage against an F4EJ kai in game assuming loadouts are the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Bringer_Of_War 901 Report post Posted February 22, 2020 My theory is that gaijin was already working on the f4ej non kai and DMM proposed to help and also provide info for a future Kai version of the plane The antithesis to all this is : Why would gaijin care this much about japan to give it 2 f4s in a short span of time I say wait and see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Hronomant 182 Report post Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) There was a leak that Japan would nevertheless receive some vehicles in this patch, + we know that we will not receive new ground equipment. The chance to get a phantom in this patch has increased. Plus, this is not accurate, but based on the context, I assume that they talked about top vehicles. Edited February 29, 2020 by Hronomant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) On 29/02/2020 at 13:25, Hronomant said: There was a leak that Japan would nevertheless receive some vehicles in this patch, + we know that we will not receive new ground equipment. The chance to get a phantom in this patch has increased. Plus, this is not accurate, but based on the context, I assume that they talked about top vehicles. F-4EJ Kai: Twin Engine √ Heavy Fighter √ Has ground attack capabilities, but will end up without them due to gaijin reading the wrong materials √ I mean it fits the criteria I'm at least hoping that for lack of new ground Japan gets a good plane and fixes for the existing ground vehicles to bring them up to standard. Edited March 2, 2020 by AnimeThighs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, AnimeThighs said: F-4EJ Kai: Twin Engine √ Heavy Fighter √ Has ground attack capabilities, but will end up without them due to gaijin reading the wrong materials √ I mean it fits the criteria I'm at least hoping that for lack of new ground Japan gets a good plane and fixes for the existing ground vehicles to bring them up to standard. It's still entirely possible the standard F-4EJ can come; while we know DMM is working on getting info on the F-4EJ Kai. DMM is still posting about recording sounds and such, so it seems very much WIP still. Im hoping for either tbh, but unless everyones getting fancy top tier jets (Possible considering that CV90 website stated 60 vehicles this patch) it'd be more logical for a EJ to come. Edited March 2, 2020 by Miki_Hoshii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Brice2Nis59 366 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 Btw, the kai was denied on the 1.97 rumor page by mods, and wont be relased for quite some time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Brice2Nis59 said: Btw, the kai was denied on the 1.97 rumor page by mods, and wont be relased for quite some time Yeah...well there is still the EJ that is more possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Brice2Nis59 366 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Fireraid233 said: Yeah...well there is still the EJ that is more possible. i really hope we get it, it's now been a year without new jet for the japanese tree, not even an F-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Asakaze 992 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) F-4EJ for Japan~ Edited March 3, 2020 by Asakaze 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Asakaze said: F-4EJ for Japan~ Hide contents It has the 3D model of the EJ Kai.... time to bug report Fun fact: The way to visually identify between an EJ & EJ Kai is the J/APR-6 RWR located at the leading edge of each wing tip & the top rear side of the vertical stabilizer. Edited March 3, 2020 by Miki_Hoshii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Spychicken 130 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 Will the F-4EJ be worse than the F-4E in terms of turn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Spychicken said: Will the F-4EJ be worse than the F-4E in terms of turn? They looks to be pretty much the same almost. Should be good flares means it can avoid missiles and it has Aim-9J which have a 20G overload. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Hronomant 182 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spychicken said: Will the F-4EJ be worse than the F-4E in terms of turn? He will not have slats, that is, yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Hronomant said: He will not have slats, that is, yes. Well that depends if the US F-4E in-game has slats. Before the agile eagle program both the E & EJ had the same wings. But if its after, then yes the E will be more manouverable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 The F-4EJ has slats in game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Fireraid233 said: The F-4EJ has slats in game. Slats or flaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... the_big_iron 137 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Fireraid233 said: The F-4EJ has slats in game. This must be a mistake. The F-4EJ doesn’t suppose to have slats. It never received T.O. 556. Maybe the devs mixed up the models. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, DirectorOfRUBias said: This must be a mistake. The F-4EJ doesn’t suppose to have slats. It never received T.O. 556. Maybe the devs mixed up the models. Unfortunately im not home tonight to confirm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MSGKI_HARA_UOOH 2,828 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 I can already see Kai being a premium... just like the Type 74 G... smh Im tired, its the kind of tired that sleep wont fix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Hronomant 182 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Theoretically, slats are possible for the Kai version, since they were tested, but they were not accepted. 2 hours ago, Miki_Hoshii said: Unfortunately im not home tonight to confirm They are: Spoiler Edited March 4, 2020 by Hronomant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 30 Share More sharing options... Followers 2
CreditCardCmndo 1,261 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 On 21/01/2020 at 03:55, Iron_physik said: same goes with the F-14 and F-15. Not so sure about the Tomcat she a pretty big lady herself but the F15 would stomp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringer_Of_War 901 Report post Posted February 21, 2020 If it wasnt coming in 1.97 wouldn't they have completely denied it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, _ArchangelAzrael said: If it wasnt coming in 1.97 wouldn't they have completely denied it ? It is strange but still we will see maybe it could be the F4EJ and not the Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreditCardCmndo 1,261 Report post Posted February 21, 2020 Why should we see the Kai? Isn't it an upgrade package from the 90's on the F-4E(J) i mean how about to be satisfied with the F-4EJ for now since no other Nations has the E variant with the onboard gun yet. No gotta go straight for the best available right? Hold horses wait and see as nothing was confirmed,they said they will look into it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted February 22, 2020 7 hours ago, CreditCardCmndo said: Why should we see the Kai? Isn't it an upgrade package from the 90's on the F-4E(J) i mean how about to be satisfied with the F-4EJ for now since no other Nations has the E variant with the onboard gun yet. No gotta go straight for the best available right? Hold horses wait and see as nothing was confirmed,they said they will look into it More like it's already being researched/developed. DMM posted a tweet of an street where an air force base is clearly they are getting research for the plane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotorShas 427 Report post Posted February 22, 2020 8 hours ago, CreditCardCmndo said: Why should we see the Kai? Isn't it an upgrade package from the 90's on the F-4E(J) i mean how about to be satisfied with the F-4EJ for now since no other Nations has the E variant with the onboard gun yet. No gotta go straight for the best available right? Hold horses wait and see as nothing was confirmed,they said they will look into it It's more the fact that the EJ kai was teased and not the regular EJ. Besides the EJ kai will not preform especially differently than the EJ. Same engines, same airframe (I thinl somw control surfacw upgrades but nothing too insane). Avionics matter more IRL than in game. The Kai would just allow for more options such as more advanced missiles or playing around with HUDs and other stuff if that starts to get added. I see no reason why an American F4E would be at a distinct disadvantage against an F4EJ kai in game assuming loadouts are the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringer_Of_War 901 Report post Posted February 22, 2020 My theory is that gaijin was already working on the f4ej non kai and DMM proposed to help and also provide info for a future Kai version of the plane The antithesis to all this is : Why would gaijin care this much about japan to give it 2 f4s in a short span of time I say wait and see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hronomant 182 Report post Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) There was a leak that Japan would nevertheless receive some vehicles in this patch, + we know that we will not receive new ground equipment. The chance to get a phantom in this patch has increased. Plus, this is not accurate, but based on the context, I assume that they talked about top vehicles. Edited February 29, 2020 by Hronomant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
コタリ 2,733 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) On 29/02/2020 at 13:25, Hronomant said: There was a leak that Japan would nevertheless receive some vehicles in this patch, + we know that we will not receive new ground equipment. The chance to get a phantom in this patch has increased. Plus, this is not accurate, but based on the context, I assume that they talked about top vehicles. F-4EJ Kai: Twin Engine √ Heavy Fighter √ Has ground attack capabilities, but will end up without them due to gaijin reading the wrong materials √ I mean it fits the criteria I'm at least hoping that for lack of new ground Japan gets a good plane and fixes for the existing ground vehicles to bring them up to standard. Edited March 2, 2020 by AnimeThighs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, AnimeThighs said: F-4EJ Kai: Twin Engine √ Heavy Fighter √ Has ground attack capabilities, but will end up without them due to gaijin reading the wrong materials √ I mean it fits the criteria I'm at least hoping that for lack of new ground Japan gets a good plane and fixes for the existing ground vehicles to bring them up to standard. It's still entirely possible the standard F-4EJ can come; while we know DMM is working on getting info on the F-4EJ Kai. DMM is still posting about recording sounds and such, so it seems very much WIP still. Im hoping for either tbh, but unless everyones getting fancy top tier jets (Possible considering that CV90 website stated 60 vehicles this patch) it'd be more logical for a EJ to come. Edited March 2, 2020 by Miki_Hoshii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brice2Nis59 366 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 Btw, the kai was denied on the 1.97 rumor page by mods, and wont be relased for quite some time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Brice2Nis59 said: Btw, the kai was denied on the 1.97 rumor page by mods, and wont be relased for quite some time Yeah...well there is still the EJ that is more possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brice2Nis59 366 Report post Posted March 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Fireraid233 said: Yeah...well there is still the EJ that is more possible. i really hope we get it, it's now been a year without new jet for the japanese tree, not even an F-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asakaze 992 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) F-4EJ for Japan~ Edited March 3, 2020 by Asakaze 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Asakaze said: F-4EJ for Japan~ Hide contents It has the 3D model of the EJ Kai.... time to bug report Fun fact: The way to visually identify between an EJ & EJ Kai is the J/APR-6 RWR located at the leading edge of each wing tip & the top rear side of the vertical stabilizer. Edited March 3, 2020 by Miki_Hoshii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spychicken 130 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 Will the F-4EJ be worse than the F-4E in terms of turn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Spychicken said: Will the F-4EJ be worse than the F-4E in terms of turn? They looks to be pretty much the same almost. Should be good flares means it can avoid missiles and it has Aim-9J which have a 20G overload. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hronomant 182 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spychicken said: Will the F-4EJ be worse than the F-4E in terms of turn? He will not have slats, that is, yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Hronomant said: He will not have slats, that is, yes. Well that depends if the US F-4E in-game has slats. Before the agile eagle program both the E & EJ had the same wings. But if its after, then yes the E will be more manouverable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted March 3, 2020 The F-4EJ has slats in game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Fireraid233 said: The F-4EJ has slats in game. Slats or flaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_big_iron 137 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Fireraid233 said: The F-4EJ has slats in game. This must be a mistake. The F-4EJ doesn’t suppose to have slats. It never received T.O. 556. Maybe the devs mixed up the models. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Moderator Miki_Hoshii 2,449 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, DirectorOfRUBias said: This must be a mistake. The F-4EJ doesn’t suppose to have slats. It never received T.O. 556. Maybe the devs mixed up the models. Unfortunately im not home tonight to confirm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGKI_HARA_UOOH 2,828 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 I can already see Kai being a premium... just like the Type 74 G... smh Im tired, its the kind of tired that sleep wont fix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hronomant 182 Report post Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Theoretically, slats are possible for the Kai version, since they were tested, but they were not accepted. 2 hours ago, Miki_Hoshii said: Unfortunately im not home tonight to confirm They are: Spoiler Edited March 4, 2020 by Hronomant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Summary of arguments and rebuttals
Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai?
it is just for display.
Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna?
It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna.
A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2?
Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb.
F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1?
No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance
F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65?
When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai.
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