Posted October 28, 2021 Summary of arguments and rebuttals Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai? it is just for display. Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna? It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna. A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2? Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb. F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1? No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65? When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MaterialWharf3 454 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 Also, here's the HUD and the cockpit: HUD: Spoiler Cockpit: Spoiler Honestly, they look reallllllly good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) Heard somewhere the EJKai will get the Aim-7E-2, is this true? Edited September 1, 2021 by KILL001 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _MakiMaki_ 89 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, KILL001 said: Heard somewhere the EJKai will the Aim-7E-2, is this true? yes it does have Aim-7E-2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Kitsune_Lover 33 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) maybe 4 bombs preset is placeholder for GCS-1? though IIRC they need much bigger heat source than tank engine? Spoiler Edited September 1, 2021 by URez_14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MaterialWharf3 454 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, URez_14 said: maybe 4 bombs preset is placeholder for GCS-1? though IIRC they need much bigger heat source than tank engine? Reveal hidden contents Maybe it's a placeholder? There's this picture here of an F-4EJ with 4 750lb GCS-1 bombs on the same pylons as the 4x 750lb loadout on the dev server. Spoiler http://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL081/upload/2006/08/F-4EJ%20carrying%20five%20GCS-1%20M117%20(750lbs)IR%20image%20horming%20bombs.jpg If that turns out to be a preset for GCS-1 bombs then I hope that's not all it's limited to because it looks like the F-4EJ Kai could easily carry about 14 750lb GCS-1 bombs due to how the 750lb bombs are arranged on the ejector racks and due to the fact that they are mainly just longer, and that wouldn't really affect the placement of the bombs. If they're adding them (which I assume they eventually will bc the 3d models are in the files) then maybe they'll just be limited to 4 bombs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Zarosun 106 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, MaterialWharf3 said: Maybe it's a placeholder? There's this picture here of an F-4EJ with 4 750lb GCS-1 bombs on the same pylons as the 4x 750lb loadout on the dev server. Reveal hidden contents http://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL081/upload/2006/08/F-4EJ carrying five GCS-1 M117 (750lbs)IR image horming bombs.jpg If that turns out to be a preset for GCS-1 bombs then I hope that's not all it's limited to because it looks like the F-4EJ Kai could easily carry about 14 750lb GCS-1 bombs due to how the 750lb bombs are arranged on the ejector racks and due to the fact that they are mainly just longer, and that wouldn't really affect the placement of the bombs. If they're adding them (which I assume they eventually will bc the 3d models are in the files) then maybe they'll just be limited to 4 bombs? F4EJ Kai will not have a guided bomb in this update @Smin1080pconfirmed it on the rumor thread 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... ShiroooYuki 135 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 So far, the radar is a much needed improvement for this Phantom as the base EJ was a tentative side-grade if not a pure downgrade from the E as it lacked the same turn and ground strike capabilities. Now the difference from going Japan EJ Kai, to British FGR.2, and US E Phantoms all have their distinct edge to fill different combat roles. The German F Phantom is the only one left out as it lacks behind in radar, missiles, and has ground strike capabilities that is a downgrade to the American F-4E. If anything, the next step to differentiate the Japanese Phantoms would be to start with Naval missiles but Naval isn't ready for a supersonic aircraft with ASMs yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Spindash64 1,244 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 On 27/08/2021 at 16:56, VehicIe said: Until the German F-4F ICE or maybe the Israeli F-4 Super Phantom gets added but until then yeah. I didn't realize they actually built any Super Phantoms. I thought it was no more physical than the F-4X (which, for those who don't know, was canceled because it was an export package that threatened to be capable of catching the SR-71) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... SturmWerwolf 793 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Spindash64 said: I didn't realize they actually built any Super Phantoms. I thought it was no more physical than the F-4X (which, for those who don't know, was canceled because it was an export package that threatened to be capable of catching the SR-71) "Super Phantom" is a confusing term. I think usually people mean like the F-4EJ Kai or F-4F ICE, the later core allied variants. I have no idea about the Israeli one, I believe they made a prototype. Then you have the literal US Super Phantom projects which were never built, some had variable geometry wings etc. Although, the US moved on to the F-14, F-15, F-16 and F-18 by that time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Sir Rebral Palsy 2,423 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Spindash64 said: I didn't realize they actually built any Super Phantoms. I thought it was no more physical than the F-4X (which, for those who don't know, was canceled because it was an export package that threatened to be capable of catching the SR-71) 2 hours ago, SturmWerwolf said: "Super Phantom" is a confusing term. I think usually people mean like the F-4EJ Kai or F-4F ICE, the later core allied variants. I have no idea about the Israeli one, I believe they made a prototype. Then you have the literal US Super Phantom projects which were never built, some had variable geometry wings etc. Although, the US moved on to the F-14, F-15, F-16 and F-18 by that time. Yeah. I kind of called it the non-official confusing term since alot of nations at the time upgraded their export F-4 Phantoms to modernized standards. The Israeli designation of their own version of the 'Super Phantom' is: 'Kurnass 2000' (sledgehammer) or F-4-2000 to which there was supposedly only one first prototype ever made. (This is however most likely false and a misconception since its impossible to find compelling evidence of the one that received all the intended upgrade packages including the engines) Israel's Defense Ministry cut its budget and soon canceled the upgrade, and IAI offered several countries an improvement project, but no one accepted it. T he IAF phantom improvement project still continued and decided to upgrade anyway with strictly reduced cost and manufacturing, the Israel Air Force only upgraded (54) existing F-4E aircraft by applying advanced avionics and weapon systems used in the 'Super Phantom' project, but hardware elements such as the Pratt & Whitney 1120 engines were only thing(s) directly excluded from the upgrade: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Suggestion Moderator yoyolast 1,709 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 7 hours ago, VehicIe said: This is however most likely false and a misconception since its impossible to find compelling evidence of the one that received all the intended upgrade packages including the engines There was in fact at least one fully modified and re-engined Israeli Super Phantom, it was even displayed and flown in an air show in Paris in 1987: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) Back on topic to the EJ Kai, I know this jet is going to be the last top dog jet for awhile until Japan gets the F-15J and F-2 (which definitely won't be for a long time), are these the weapons and equipment currently missing for the F-4EJ Kai? (obviously Gaijin will likely add them as they push capabilities of top tier in the future): Armaments: ・AAM-3 infrared missiles ・Aim-9L/M infrared missiles ・Aim-7F/M radar missiles ・GCS-1 (Type I and Type II) infrared guided kits for bombs ・ASM-1 anti-ship missiles ・ASM-2 anti-ship missiles ・CBU-87B cluster bombs Equipment: ・AN/ALE-40 chaff dispenser ・AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod EDIT: Couldn't find anything on Aim-9M missiles! Edited September 3, 2021 by KILL001 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KILL001 said: Back on topic to the EJ Kai, I know this jet is going to be the last top dog jet for awhile until Japan gets the F-15J and F-2 (which definitely won't be for a long time), are these the weapons and equipment currently missing for the F-4EJ Kai? (obviously Gaijin will likely add them as they push capabilities of top tier in the future): Armaments: ・AAM-3 infrared missiles ・Aim-9L/M infrared missiles ・Aim-7F/M radar missiles ・GCS-1 (Type I and Type II) infrared guided kits for bombs ・ASM-1 anti-ship missiles ・ASM-2 anti-ship missiles ・CBU-87B cluster bombs Equipment: ・AN/ALE-40 chaff dispenser ・AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. The only differences compared to the F-4EJ atm is AIM-7E-2 and the PD radar. While I don't really blame them for not giving it AIM-9L or AIM-7F atm, and ESPECIALLY not AAM-3 which would be absolutely broken, they should've at least given the GCS-1. The lack of ASMs is fine I guess since they still wouldn't really have a use and I didn't expect cluster bombs either due to how powerful they would be and Gaijin already denying them a long time ago. Same for the ECM and chaff, they haven't given those to any other aircraft yet. Edited September 2, 2021 by Wiggly_Armed_Man 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 At least we won't have to grind for new jets for awhile, as long as they give the EJ Kai the missing weapons/equipment as time goes on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _MakiMaki_ 89 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 Will be interesting to see how the GCS-1 will be like in-game once they get implemented after the update. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... XarachiX 389 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 Instead of AIM-9J it should have AIM-9P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, XarachiX said: Instead of AIM-9J it should have AIM-9P For some reason they don't want to take the time to change that. I guess it is cheaper to just copy the loadout over from the F-4EJ / F-4E and it doesn't really matter since they're identical in performance, but it is mildly annoying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... XarachiX 389 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: For some reason they don't want to take the time to change that. I guess it is cheaper to just copy the loadout over from the F-4EJ / F-4E and it doesn't really matter since they're identical in performance, but it is mildly annoying. Depending on which variant of the AIM-9P it should have more resistance to flares Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MaterialWharf3 454 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: For some reason they don't want to take the time to change that. I guess it is cheaper to just copy the loadout over from the F-4EJ / F-4E and it doesn't really matter since they're identical in performance, but it is mildly annoying. It would be nice if they could just copy the AIM-9Ps found on the F-1 and F-104J and paste them into the loadouts for the F-4EJ and F-4EJ Kai in place of the AIM-9Js that the phantoms have currently, but I guess it's such a small problem that they won't really bother doing it. Either that or it hasn't been reported. Maybe we should make a report then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, KILL001 said: Back on topic to the EJ Kai, I know this jet is going to be the last top dog jet for awhile until Japan gets the F-15J and F-2 (which definitely won't be for a long time), are these the weapons and equipment currently missing for the F-4EJ Kai? (obviously Gaijin will likely add them as they push capabilities of top tier in the future): Armaments: ・AAM-3 infrared missiles ・Aim-9L/M infrared missiles ・Aim-7F/M radar missiles ・GCS-1 (Type I and Type II) infrared guided kits for bombs ・ASM-1 anti-ship missiles ・ASM-2 anti-ship missiles ・CBU-87B cluster bombs Equipment: ・AN/ALE-40 chaff dispenser ・AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod To my understanding Japan did not have AIM-9Ms unless I'm mistaken. Also yes the EJ Kai will get stronger and stronger as time goes on until we eventually get a early F-15J Edited September 2, 2021 by Fireraid233 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator _David_Bowie_ 1,554 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 49 minutes ago, XarachiX said: Instead of AIM-9J it should have AIM-9P 48 minutes ago, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: For some reason they don't want to take the time to change that. I guess it is cheaper to just copy the loadout over from the F-4EJ / F-4E and it doesn't really matter since they're identical in performance, but it is mildly annoying. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted September 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: -snip- I doubt those will be accepted. Gaijin already knows that the F-4EJ kai uses those missiles, them lacking it is for the same reason they don't have 9L or AAM-3. It's purely a decision out of balance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Technical Moderator _David_Bowie_ 1,554 Report post Posted September 3, 2021 Just now, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: I doubt those will be accepted. Gaijin already knows that the F-4EJ kai uses those missiles, them lacking it is for the same reason they don't have 9L or AAM-3. It's purely a decision out of balance. that report is about the AIM-9J, must be accepted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... 丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fireraid233 said: To my understanding Japan did not have AIM-9Ms unless I'm mistaken. Also yes the EJ Kai will get stronger and stronger as time goes on until we eventually get a early F-15J I think you might be right, there was nothing I could really find on Aim-9M missiles for the F-4EJ Kai Aim-9L to AAM-3 would be a pretty big leap so this will be pretty interesting... Edited September 3, 2021 by KILL001 typo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted September 3, 2021 Shouldn't EJ Kai have a lead indicator? Considering it has basically an F-16A radar 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 30 Share More sharing options... Followers 6
MaterialWharf3 454 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 Also, here's the HUD and the cockpit: HUD: Spoiler Cockpit: Spoiler Honestly, they look reallllllly good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) Heard somewhere the EJKai will get the Aim-7E-2, is this true? Edited September 1, 2021 by KILL001 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MakiMaki_ 89 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, KILL001 said: Heard somewhere the EJKai will the Aim-7E-2, is this true? yes it does have Aim-7E-2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune_Lover 33 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) maybe 4 bombs preset is placeholder for GCS-1? though IIRC they need much bigger heat source than tank engine? Spoiler Edited September 1, 2021 by URez_14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaterialWharf3 454 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, URez_14 said: maybe 4 bombs preset is placeholder for GCS-1? though IIRC they need much bigger heat source than tank engine? Reveal hidden contents Maybe it's a placeholder? There's this picture here of an F-4EJ with 4 750lb GCS-1 bombs on the same pylons as the 4x 750lb loadout on the dev server. Spoiler http://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL081/upload/2006/08/F-4EJ%20carrying%20five%20GCS-1%20M117%20(750lbs)IR%20image%20horming%20bombs.jpg If that turns out to be a preset for GCS-1 bombs then I hope that's not all it's limited to because it looks like the F-4EJ Kai could easily carry about 14 750lb GCS-1 bombs due to how the 750lb bombs are arranged on the ejector racks and due to the fact that they are mainly just longer, and that wouldn't really affect the placement of the bombs. If they're adding them (which I assume they eventually will bc the 3d models are in the files) then maybe they'll just be limited to 4 bombs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarosun 106 Report post Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, MaterialWharf3 said: Maybe it's a placeholder? There's this picture here of an F-4EJ with 4 750lb GCS-1 bombs on the same pylons as the 4x 750lb loadout on the dev server. Reveal hidden contents http://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL081/upload/2006/08/F-4EJ carrying five GCS-1 M117 (750lbs)IR image horming bombs.jpg If that turns out to be a preset for GCS-1 bombs then I hope that's not all it's limited to because it looks like the F-4EJ Kai could easily carry about 14 750lb GCS-1 bombs due to how the 750lb bombs are arranged on the ejector racks and due to the fact that they are mainly just longer, and that wouldn't really affect the placement of the bombs. If they're adding them (which I assume they eventually will bc the 3d models are in the files) then maybe they'll just be limited to 4 bombs? F4EJ Kai will not have a guided bomb in this update @Smin1080pconfirmed it on the rumor thread 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiroooYuki 135 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 So far, the radar is a much needed improvement for this Phantom as the base EJ was a tentative side-grade if not a pure downgrade from the E as it lacked the same turn and ground strike capabilities. Now the difference from going Japan EJ Kai, to British FGR.2, and US E Phantoms all have their distinct edge to fill different combat roles. The German F Phantom is the only one left out as it lacks behind in radar, missiles, and has ground strike capabilities that is a downgrade to the American F-4E. If anything, the next step to differentiate the Japanese Phantoms would be to start with Naval missiles but Naval isn't ready for a supersonic aircraft with ASMs yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spindash64 1,244 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 On 27/08/2021 at 16:56, VehicIe said: Until the German F-4F ICE or maybe the Israeli F-4 Super Phantom gets added but until then yeah. I didn't realize they actually built any Super Phantoms. I thought it was no more physical than the F-4X (which, for those who don't know, was canceled because it was an export package that threatened to be capable of catching the SR-71) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturmWerwolf 793 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Spindash64 said: I didn't realize they actually built any Super Phantoms. I thought it was no more physical than the F-4X (which, for those who don't know, was canceled because it was an export package that threatened to be capable of catching the SR-71) "Super Phantom" is a confusing term. I think usually people mean like the F-4EJ Kai or F-4F ICE, the later core allied variants. I have no idea about the Israeli one, I believe they made a prototype. Then you have the literal US Super Phantom projects which were never built, some had variable geometry wings etc. Although, the US moved on to the F-14, F-15, F-16 and F-18 by that time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rebral Palsy 2,423 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Spindash64 said: I didn't realize they actually built any Super Phantoms. I thought it was no more physical than the F-4X (which, for those who don't know, was canceled because it was an export package that threatened to be capable of catching the SR-71) 2 hours ago, SturmWerwolf said: "Super Phantom" is a confusing term. I think usually people mean like the F-4EJ Kai or F-4F ICE, the later core allied variants. I have no idea about the Israeli one, I believe they made a prototype. Then you have the literal US Super Phantom projects which were never built, some had variable geometry wings etc. Although, the US moved on to the F-14, F-15, F-16 and F-18 by that time. Yeah. I kind of called it the non-official confusing term since alot of nations at the time upgraded their export F-4 Phantoms to modernized standards. The Israeli designation of their own version of the 'Super Phantom' is: 'Kurnass 2000' (sledgehammer) or F-4-2000 to which there was supposedly only one first prototype ever made. (This is however most likely false and a misconception since its impossible to find compelling evidence of the one that received all the intended upgrade packages including the engines) Israel's Defense Ministry cut its budget and soon canceled the upgrade, and IAI offered several countries an improvement project, but no one accepted it. T he IAF phantom improvement project still continued and decided to upgrade anyway with strictly reduced cost and manufacturing, the Israel Air Force only upgraded (54) existing F-4E aircraft by applying advanced avionics and weapon systems used in the 'Super Phantom' project, but hardware elements such as the Pratt & Whitney 1120 engines were only thing(s) directly excluded from the upgrade: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggestion Moderator yoyolast 1,709 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 7 hours ago, VehicIe said: This is however most likely false and a misconception since its impossible to find compelling evidence of the one that received all the intended upgrade packages including the engines There was in fact at least one fully modified and re-engined Israeli Super Phantom, it was even displayed and flown in an air show in Paris in 1987: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) Back on topic to the EJ Kai, I know this jet is going to be the last top dog jet for awhile until Japan gets the F-15J and F-2 (which definitely won't be for a long time), are these the weapons and equipment currently missing for the F-4EJ Kai? (obviously Gaijin will likely add them as they push capabilities of top tier in the future): Armaments: ・AAM-3 infrared missiles ・Aim-9L/M infrared missiles ・Aim-7F/M radar missiles ・GCS-1 (Type I and Type II) infrared guided kits for bombs ・ASM-1 anti-ship missiles ・ASM-2 anti-ship missiles ・CBU-87B cluster bombs Equipment: ・AN/ALE-40 chaff dispenser ・AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod EDIT: Couldn't find anything on Aim-9M missiles! Edited September 3, 2021 by KILL001 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KILL001 said: Back on topic to the EJ Kai, I know this jet is going to be the last top dog jet for awhile until Japan gets the F-15J and F-2 (which definitely won't be for a long time), are these the weapons and equipment currently missing for the F-4EJ Kai? (obviously Gaijin will likely add them as they push capabilities of top tier in the future): Armaments: ・AAM-3 infrared missiles ・Aim-9L/M infrared missiles ・Aim-7F/M radar missiles ・GCS-1 (Type I and Type II) infrared guided kits for bombs ・ASM-1 anti-ship missiles ・ASM-2 anti-ship missiles ・CBU-87B cluster bombs Equipment: ・AN/ALE-40 chaff dispenser ・AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. The only differences compared to the F-4EJ atm is AIM-7E-2 and the PD radar. While I don't really blame them for not giving it AIM-9L or AIM-7F atm, and ESPECIALLY not AAM-3 which would be absolutely broken, they should've at least given the GCS-1. The lack of ASMs is fine I guess since they still wouldn't really have a use and I didn't expect cluster bombs either due to how powerful they would be and Gaijin already denying them a long time ago. Same for the ECM and chaff, they haven't given those to any other aircraft yet. Edited September 2, 2021 by Wiggly_Armed_Man 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 At least we won't have to grind for new jets for awhile, as long as they give the EJ Kai the missing weapons/equipment as time goes on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MakiMaki_ 89 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 Will be interesting to see how the GCS-1 will be like in-game once they get implemented after the update. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XarachiX 389 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 Instead of AIM-9J it should have AIM-9P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, XarachiX said: Instead of AIM-9J it should have AIM-9P For some reason they don't want to take the time to change that. I guess it is cheaper to just copy the loadout over from the F-4EJ / F-4E and it doesn't really matter since they're identical in performance, but it is mildly annoying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XarachiX 389 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: For some reason they don't want to take the time to change that. I guess it is cheaper to just copy the loadout over from the F-4EJ / F-4E and it doesn't really matter since they're identical in performance, but it is mildly annoying. Depending on which variant of the AIM-9P it should have more resistance to flares Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaterialWharf3 454 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: For some reason they don't want to take the time to change that. I guess it is cheaper to just copy the loadout over from the F-4EJ / F-4E and it doesn't really matter since they're identical in performance, but it is mildly annoying. It would be nice if they could just copy the AIM-9Ps found on the F-1 and F-104J and paste them into the loadouts for the F-4EJ and F-4EJ Kai in place of the AIM-9Js that the phantoms have currently, but I guess it's such a small problem that they won't really bother doing it. Either that or it hasn't been reported. Maybe we should make a report then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, KILL001 said: Back on topic to the EJ Kai, I know this jet is going to be the last top dog jet for awhile until Japan gets the F-15J and F-2 (which definitely won't be for a long time), are these the weapons and equipment currently missing for the F-4EJ Kai? (obviously Gaijin will likely add them as they push capabilities of top tier in the future): Armaments: ・AAM-3 infrared missiles ・Aim-9L/M infrared missiles ・Aim-7F/M radar missiles ・GCS-1 (Type I and Type II) infrared guided kits for bombs ・ASM-1 anti-ship missiles ・ASM-2 anti-ship missiles ・CBU-87B cluster bombs Equipment: ・AN/ALE-40 chaff dispenser ・AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod To my understanding Japan did not have AIM-9Ms unless I'm mistaken. Also yes the EJ Kai will get stronger and stronger as time goes on until we eventually get a early F-15J Edited September 2, 2021 by Fireraid233 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator _David_Bowie_ 1,554 Report post Posted September 2, 2021 49 minutes ago, XarachiX said: Instead of AIM-9J it should have AIM-9P 48 minutes ago, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: For some reason they don't want to take the time to change that. I guess it is cheaper to just copy the loadout over from the F-4EJ / F-4E and it doesn't really matter since they're identical in performance, but it is mildly annoying. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383 Report post Posted September 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, _David_Bowie_ said: -snip- I doubt those will be accepted. Gaijin already knows that the F-4EJ kai uses those missiles, them lacking it is for the same reason they don't have 9L or AAM-3. It's purely a decision out of balance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Moderator _David_Bowie_ 1,554 Report post Posted September 3, 2021 Just now, Wiggly_Armed_Man said: I doubt those will be accepted. Gaijin already knows that the F-4EJ kai uses those missiles, them lacking it is for the same reason they don't have 9L or AAM-3. It's purely a decision out of balance. that report is about the AIM-9J, must be accepted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
丨ō益ō丨 123 Report post Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fireraid233 said: To my understanding Japan did not have AIM-9Ms unless I'm mistaken. Also yes the EJ Kai will get stronger and stronger as time goes on until we eventually get a early F-15J I think you might be right, there was nothing I could really find on Aim-9M missiles for the F-4EJ Kai Aim-9L to AAM-3 would be a pretty big leap so this will be pretty interesting... Edited September 3, 2021 by KILL001 typo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireraid233 4,274 Report post Posted September 3, 2021 Shouldn't EJ Kai have a lead indicator? Considering it has basically an F-16A radar 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Picture of the JDAM on the F-4EJ Kai?
it is just for display.
Is the ADTW's F-4EJ's new antenna is GPS antenna?
It's been installed since 1988, so that is not a GPS antenna.
A picture of the F-4EJ Kai with the XGCS-2?
Just performing aerodynamics and separation tests with dummy bomb, not real bomb.
F-4EJ Kai's GCS-1?
No ground attack ability due to seeker's performance
F-4EJ Kai's AGM-62 or AGM-65?
When producing the F-4EJ, all equipment was removed, and no functions were added even in EJ Kai.
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