Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree

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4 hours ago, Dewastor said:

You might be misremembering dates as it is first reveled in 2008. I don't remember reading anything about a tank projects in 90s except one SPG experiments. Still might be wrong, I would very much appreciate to be informed if you have anything. Sadly there is quite literally zero chances T205 makes it into the game as it is not even a mock-up but just a scale model albeit a detailed one. Magazine had quite a bit info about this no ? If I'm not wrong it was actually long article, I must have it on my old computer I'll share if I can find it.

Idk... I remember once I read about this project on net and remember like this experimental stuff started with late 90s and ended with late 2000s by decision to choose a Tank model that is already in use and developing&localizing further on that model (which ended up being S.Korean K2 Black Panther) for Altay Project.

I don't think I have any more info than You have 

Would be good addition, but we have very limited information about this... so it would only turn into Turkish version of Japanese O-I Heavy Tank in forum 

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16 hours ago, Dewastor said:

About the tree, there is no place for .50 cal armed modern vehicles at that low BR if you ask me,  especially ACV-15 it is incredibly new vehicle, you should not put it below Rank V.

i thought acv dont has thermals

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1 hour ago, modern_primat said:

i thought acv dont has thermals

  I don't know which ACV you put into your branch but since it is armed with .50 cal, turret is either SANCAK or CAKA RWS. I believe it is SANCAK as CAKA is a lot newer, either way both turret system has thermals and laser range finder plus both ACV-15 and 19 has thermals for driver.

 

12 hours ago, CneuHa3_TUR said:

Idk... I remember once I read about this project on net and remember like this experimental stuff started with late 90s and ended with late 2000s by decision to choose a Tank model that is already in use and developing&localizing further on that model (which ended up being S.Korean K2 Black Panther) for Altay Project.

I don't think I have any more info than You have 

Would be good addition, but we have very limited information about this... so it would only turn into Turkish version of Japanese O-I Heavy Tank in forum 

  That I-O topic was damn interesting to read. I'll try to find the copy of magazine and will post it if I can ever find it.

  Found among my old files, behold T205;

 

 

  

  Also it appears design dates back to 2006, older than I know.

 

 

  Here's the magazine if you are interested, it is in Turkish though, magazine has some specifications too, quite good read if you can;

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Edited March 31, 2022 by Dewastor

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4 hours ago, Dewastor said:

armed with .50 cal

it is armed with "fnss sharpshooter turret", kind of m242 bushmaster cannon(same on bradley ifv). so.. maybe dont has thermals??

 

ALSO! again.. dynamic BR affected by modifications show itself here.. if it dont has thermals, just lower its BR.. 4.0 for APDS, no thermals-6.7(or 7.0)for APFSDS, with thermals.

Edited March 31, 2022 by modern_primat

[霧 丹爪モ匕口丂 靄 466]

8 hours ago, modern_primat said:

i thought acv dont has thermals

 

2 hours ago, modern_primat said:

it is armed with "fnss sharpshooter turret", kind of m242 bushmaster cannon(same on bradley ifv). so.. maybe dont has thermals??

 

ALSO! again.. dynamic BR affected by modifications show itself here.. if it dont has thermals, just lower its BR.. 4.0 for APDS, no thermals-6.7(or 7.0)for APFSDS, with thermals.

I had opportunity to use Sharpshooter Turret IRL and all those I saw had Giat M811 25mm Autocannon, .50 Cal or Mk19 GL, so idk maybe there are different variations for it. ...And it has Thermals for Gunner(there's no crew Commander in ACV-15 actually)

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when teck tree

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23 hours ago, modern_primat said:

it is armed with "fnss sharpshooter turret", kind of m242 bushmaster cannon(same on bradley ifv). so.. maybe dont has thermals??

 

ALSO! again.. dynamic BR affected by modifications show itself here.. if it dont has thermals, just lower its BR.. 4.0 for APDS, no thermals-6.7(or 7.0)for APFSDS, with thermals.

  Sharpshooter also has thermals and laser rangefinder. My point is here not thermals though, ACV-15 is from 90s. So it does not belong WW2 era vehicles, it breaks immersion in my opinion. ACV-15 can be just added with its 25mm at higher tiers though, I do agree you. Interestingly, ACV-15 has at least 4 different turret systems armed with 25 mm cannons; Sharpshooter, DRAGAR, SABER and NEFER. Quite ample amount of designs, so there no need to .50 cal armed one or anything. 

 

20 hours ago, CneuHa3_TUR said:

 

I had opportunity to use Sharpshooter Turret IRL and all those I saw had Giat M811 25mm Autocannon, .50 Cal or Mk19 GL, so idk maybe there are different variations for it. ...And it has Thermals for Gunner(there's no crew Commander in ACV-15 actually)

  As I mentioned above ACVs mated with lots of different weapon systems, you might have been on DRAGAR one, quite an experience

 

16 hours ago, wolfieraps21221 said:

when teck tree

 Not any time soon. 

Edited April 1, 2022 by Dewastor

[AspandaIV 376]

Here is a potentially interesting vehicle that could be added

It's not a Turkish vehicle rather it's a Azerbaijani vehicle the ZKDM, a greatly modified and upgunned BDRM-2 AC, equipped with a twin 23mm autocannon, 30mm grenade launcher and either 57 or 80mm rocket launcher (it's not clear if it's a unguided rocket or a ATGM/SAM), it has a gun elevation of 15+ and gun depression of -30. I'm mainly suggesting this vehicle here since Azerbaijan has very close ties to Turkey and there is no other tree that this vehicle can be added other than the Russian but they already have plenty of AC's to choose from or even maybe the Israeli TT since Azerbaijan has close military ties to Israel

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10 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

Here is a potentially interesting vehicle that could be added

It's not a Turkish vehicle rather it's a Azerbaijani vehicle the ZKDM, a greatly modified and upgunned BDRM-2 AC, equipped with a twin 23mm autocannon, 30mm grenade launcher and either 57 or 80mm rocket launcher (it's not clear if it's a unguided rocket or a ATGM/SAM), it has a gun elevation of 15+ and gun depression of -30. I'm mainly suggesting this vehicle here since Azerbaijan has very close ties to Turkey and there is no other tree that this vehicle can be added other than the Russian but they already have plenty of AC's to choose from or even maybe the Israeli TT since Azerbaijan has close military ties to Israel

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You can also make a separate bespoke suggestion just for this vehicle.

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On 08/04/2022 at 09:56, AspandaIV said:

Here is a potentially interesting vehicle that could be added

It's not a Turkish vehicle rather it's a Azerbaijani vehicle the ZKDM, a greatly modified and upgunned BDRM-2 AC, equipped with a twin 23mm autocannon, 30mm grenade launcher and either 57 or 80mm rocket launcher (it's not clear if it's a unguided rocket or a ATGM/SAM), it has a gun elevation of 15+ and gun depression of -30. I'm mainly suggesting this vehicle here since Azerbaijan has very close ties to Turkey and there is no other tree that this vehicle can be added other than the Russian but they already have plenty of AC's to choose from or even maybe the Israeli TT since Azerbaijan has close military ties to Israel

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Any unique Azerbaijani vehicles can be represented in the Turkish tech tree with no problem in my opinion. Turkey and Azerbaijan have very strong relation to justify Azerbaijan within the Turkish tech tree.

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4 hours ago, SubapbaP said:

Any unique Azerbaijani vehicles can be represented in the Turkish tech tree with no problem in my opinion. Turkey and Azerbaijan have very strong relation to justify Azerbaijan within the Turkish tech tree.

Before that we might see some in Israeli TT cuz they have some Israeli modernizations and hardwares too

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34 minutes ago, CneuHa3_TUR said:

Before that we might see some in Israeli TT cuz they have some Israeli modernizations and hardwares too

Israel's ground TT is quite full as-is. No need for foreign AFVs.

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1 hour ago, Zucc_Boi said:

Israel's ground TT is quite full as-is. No need for foreign AFVs.

I mean, I'd understand not supporting the idea or just simply disliking it, but... calling a TT full which is still in Beta nowadays... that's just woah 

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13 hours ago, CneuHa3_TUR said:

I mean, I'd understand not supporting the idea or just simply disliking it, but... calling a TT full which is still in Beta nowadays... that's just woah 

The Israeli TT has the very clear potential to be full. You can look at the suggestions posted here, and just at IDF historical and current AFVs and see that there is an abundance to choose from. 

Gaijin's slow progress in adding ground vehicles is a separate topic.

 

The idea is that adding foreign vehicles to an Israeli TT is unnecessary if the goal is to fill it up, because there are plenty of far more relevant candidates.

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2 hours ago, Zucc_Boi said:

The Israeli TT has the very clear potential to be full. You can look at the suggestions posted here, and just at IDF historical and current AFVs and see that there is an abundance to choose from. 

Gaijin's slow progress in adding ground vehicles is a separate topic.

 

The idea is that adding foreign vehicles to an Israeli TT is unnecessary if the goal is to fill it up, because there are plenty of far more relevant candidates.

It's not only to fill the TT, but adding the Israeli modernization hardwares to TT for making the TT more fun, giving opportunity to minor nations to be represented in game and as trophy 

And you know this is a thing for real long time in other TTs in game and it's not to filling their tree... For example vehicles like T72 Aslan or Israeli modified BMP2s has no opportunity in any other TTs, but the Israeli TT with Azerbaijani Flag. So I'd choose them to be represented in Israeli TT rather than not being represented at all.

 

And in future we can see Turkish-Azerbaijani common vehicles or Turkish modernized Azerbaijani vehicles in Turkish TT both in regular tree or as premiums. But I don't see any point adding total Soviet/Russian made vehicles into Turkish TT since you can easily fill there with Turkey's own stuff 

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2 hours ago, CneuHa3_TUR said:

It's not only to fill the TT, but adding the Israeli modernization hardwares to TT for making the TT more fun, giving opportunity to minor nations to be represented in game and as trophy 

And you know this is a thing for real long time in other TTs in game and it's not to filling their tree... For example vehicles like T72 Aslan or Israeli modified BMP2s has no opportunity in any other TTs, but the Israeli TT with Azerbaijani Flag. So I'd choose them to be represented in Israeli TT rather than not being represented at all.

 

And in future we can see Turkish-Azerbaijani common vehicles or Turkish modernized Azerbaijani vehicles in Turkish TT both in regular tree or as premiums. But I don't see any point adding total Soviet/Russian made vehicles into Turkish TT since you can easily fill there with Turkey's own stuff 

If the modifications are extensive enough to the point where they change core aspects of the vehicle, sure. Otherwise, add them to the TT of the origin nation of the platform.

For example, Israeli upgrades to T-72 tanks of various customers were always evolutionary, and made improvements on existing capabilities and mechanics. For example improving sights or FCS, which are, in game, of minor consequences for the vehicle's core mechanics.

Modifications like the Patria with Spike NLOS launchers, make a core change to the vehicle's IRL and in-game mechanics, which warrant such a vehicle being in a Polish instead of a Finnish TT.

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2 hours ago, Zucc_Boi said:

If the modifications are extensive enough to the point where they change core aspects of the vehicle, sure. Otherwise, add them to the TT of the origin nation of the platform.

For example, Israeli upgrades to T-72 tanks of various customers were always evolutionary, and made improvements on existing capabilities and mechanics. For example improving sights or FCS, which are, in game, of minor consequences for the vehicle's core mechanics.

Modifications like the Patria with Spike NLOS launchers, make a core change to the vehicle's IRL and in-game mechanics, which warrant such a vehicle being in a Polish instead of a Finnish TT.

Yes, but since Israeli-Azerbaijani Military ties are more potent than others... There are many common platforms and components in Azerbaijani Army. Azerbaijan's top military suppliers after Russia are Turkey and Israel. Shouldn't miss cultural ties of both nation too,not in same importance level as Turkish-Azerbaijani, cuz these 2 nations are basicaly same, but there are strong cultural background of Jews in Caucasus Area especially in Azerbaijan  So it's not pointless.

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  Is there really that much unique Azerbaijani vehicles to argue though ? Their T-90s are same as the Russian ones, T-72 though upgraded by Israeli and what else ? BTRs, BMDs and BMPs too not upgraded. T-72 can be given Israeli TT as premium since Turkey can have KAE upgraded T-72 (even two if we count A and B as separate vehicles).

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1 hour ago, Dewastor said:

  Is there really that much unique Azerbaijani vehicles to argue though ? Their T-90s are same as the Russian ones, T-72 though upgraded by Israeli and what else ? BTRs, BMDs and BMPs too not upgraded. T-72 can be given Israeli TT as premium since Turkey can have KAE upgraded T-72 (even two if we count A and B as separate vehicles).

Maybe their Cobra with Skif ATGM on it might have a chance 

 

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13 hours ago, CneuHa3_TUR said:

Maybe their Cobra with Skif ATGM on it might have a chance 

 

  Thank you ! I've been looking for this one for so long. I thought it was armed with Kornet, searching yielded zero results so I assumed I misremembered. This one makes 3 ATGM armed Cobras and second possible premium of the TT. 

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1 hour ago, Dewastor said:

  Thank you ! I've been looking for this one for so long. I thought it was armed with Kornet, searching yielded zero results so I assumed I misremembered. This one makes 3 ATGM armed Cobras and second possible premium of the TT. 

NP!  I saw its photo from a different angle before and thought the same, but from this angle, it's obviously the Ukrainian Skif. I didn't know they have this in their inventory 

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There are too many Turkish players to be taken lightly, and if they come, this tree will have very rich content.

 

As War Thunder Turkish player community, we are looking forward to it.

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Guys please remain on-topic and don't start fights. It's one thing to call out someone for something you think is wrong and another to needlessly insult them.

[SubapbaP 32]

How about these two vehicles? Kaplan MT with Pulat APS and I guess the early version of Altay. I think Kaplans can be in one group or one can be a squadron/event or premium vehicle. And the Altay can be the first of the Altays.  

 

https://www.armyrecognition.com/idef_2019_news_online_show_daily_defense_exhibition_turkey/idef_2019_fnss_displays_for_the_first_time_kaplan_medium_tank_fitted_with_pulat_aps.html

 

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11 hours ago, SubapbaP said:

How about these two vehicles? Kaplan MT with Pulat APS and I guess the early version of Altay. I think Kaplans can be in one group or one can be a squadron/event or premium vehicle. And the Altay can be the first of the Altays.  

 

https://www.armyrecognition.com/idef_2019_news_online_show_daily_defense_exhibition_turkey/idef_2019_fnss_displays_for_the_first_time_kaplan_medium_tank_fitted_with_pulat_aps.html

 

 

  Kaplans 2019 onward equipped with hard-kill APS, like this one. Early prototype could be premium while this one marks the end of Light Tank Line with Tulpar. As far as I'm aware Tulpar has no APS yet sports better armor protection, you could pick either better armored light tank with autoloader which is Tulpar or APS fitted one which is Kaplan. 

 

  Exactly, this one is the very first production prototype which lack hard-kill APS and probably gun-launched ATGM if its ever get materialized. I'm not sure if there's any other major differences between Stoker and BMC prototypes.