techtree Argentine Air Forces Tech tree

[OsO73 491]

On 07/06/2020 at 05:23, AspandaIV said:

Uruguay wouldn't add anything unique to the Argentine TT at least in terms of the air TT (if you exclude the AT-33A Shooting star)
I'm kinda mixed about Brazil being in the Argentine TT, on the one hand Brazil has quite a few unique vehicles both native designs (A-27 Tucano, A-29 Super Tucano) and unique variants of foreign vehicles (A-1M) so it wouldn't be flooded with copy-paste vehicles. But on the other hand most vehicles Brazil operated, Argentina has an equivalent to it so i don't find it that necessary to group Brazil with Argentina

However it's a totally different story if you are referring to Helicopters or Tanks

I added 2 Uruguayan aircraft to the tree since both are related to argentina, an argentine made Ia.58 Pucara used by the Uruguayan Air Force and a Ex argentine Navy T-28S (or P) donated to the Uruguayan Navy, if we have a few more cases like that with other south american countries, ill probably add them.

As for the whole Lat-Am TT, I've come to like the idea (mostly for ground and helicopters) I do know that there are a lot of Copied vehicles (a considerable amount of them) but i do think that with a good amount of work and a mix of unique vehicles we could get some good Tech trees (at least in ground, Helicopters and Navy)

[Borotovas 4,500]

8 hours ago, OsO73 said:

I added 2 Uruguayan aircraft to the tree since both are related to argentina, an argentine made Ia.58 Pucara used by the Uruguayan Air Force and a Ex argentine Navy T-28S (or P) donated to the Uruguayan Navy, if we have a few more cases like that with other south american countries, ill probably add them.

As for the whole Lat-Am TT, I've come to like the idea (mostly for ground and helicopters) I do know that there are a lot of Copied vehicles (a considerable amount of them) but i do think that with a good amount of work and a mix of unique vehicles we could get some good Tech trees (at least in ground, Helicopters and Navy)

 

I prefer the idea of a big South American tech tree. Argentina is too small by itself, but if all Latin American nations are combined, there are more unique options.

 

Also, I made a suggestion for the Ecuadorian Jaguar International ES. It's not Argentinian, but it is from South America.

 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

On 07/06/2020 at 01:23, AspandaIV said:

Uruguay wouldn't add anything unique to the Argentine TT at least in terms of the air TT (if you exclude the AT-33A Shooting star)
I'm kinda mixed about Brazil being in the Argentine TT, on the one hand Brazil has quite a few unique vehicles both native designs (A-27 Tucano, A-29 Super Tucano) and unique variants of foreign vehicles (A-1M) so it wouldn't be flooded with copy-paste vehicles. But on the other hand most vehicles Brazil operated, Argentina has an equivalent to it so i don't find it that necessary to group Brazil with Argentina

However it's a totally different story if you are referring to Helicopters or Tanks

 

Brazil could also add some content to the naval tree too.  In the first half of the 20th Century, Argentina and Brazil were major regional rivals and built up their armed forces, their navies in particular, in anticipation of possibly going to war with each other, which never ended up happening(on the other hand, there was also the matter of Brazil joining the Allies in WW2 and Argentina being neutral but sympathetic to the Axis, which could complicate matchmaking).

Edited June 9, 2020 by Z3r0_

[OsO73 491]

7 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Brazil could also add some content to the naval tree too.  In the first half of the 20th Century, Argentina and Brazil were major regional rivals and built up their armed forces, their navies in particular, in anticipation of possibly going to war with each other, which never ended up happening(on the other hand, there was also the matter of Brazil joining the Allies in WW2 and Argentina being neutral but sympathetic to the Axis, which could complicate matchmaking).

Its not an easy thing, relationships between Lat-Am nations were never good and not all supported the allies (so yeah)

15 hours ago, Borotovas said:

 

I prefer the idea of a big South American tech tree. Argentina is too small by itself, but if all Latin American nations are combined, there are more unique options.

 

Also, I made a suggestion for the Ecuadorian Jaguar International ES. It's not Argentinian, but it is from South America.

 

yeah, i know the aircraft, it operated along the Mirage F1s and Kfirs in the conflict against Peru knowns as "Guerra de Cenepa"="Cenepa War"

[OsO73 491]

Update !!!

its been quite some time since we had the last update, now we have a decent one, we see some additions and changes.

Changes:

• The F9F-8T is Moved to Rank VI
• The Ia.63s were separated from the attacker line, they can be unlocked right after unlocking rank VI 
• The F4U-5s were moved to 6.0
• The Ia.58A was moved to 5.7
• The Ia.58D was moved to 6.0
• The Ia.58C was moved to 7.7
• The A-4P(B) was moved to the attacker line
• Both I.Ae.24 (early and late) have been put together in the attacker line 
• The Fiat G59 was removed (unusable armament)
• The Fiat G55A was moved to 3.7 due to only been armed with 2 12.7mm Breda SAFAT Mgs

Additions:

We see the addition of a few aircraft:

The A-4P(B) sees an early version 

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We recieve pre production/prototype Pucara the AX-02

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A 20mm armed Hawk 75O

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And lastly a Spitfire Mk.Viii

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Edited June 13, 2020 by OsO73

[AdamDizzy 62]

+1  and include the Curtis P-36 variants Hawk 75H and Hawk 75O.

 

[OsO73 491]

11 hours ago, AdamDizzy said:

+1  and include the Curtis P-36 variants Hawk 75H and Hawk 75O.

 

The Hawk 75O is already in the tree (you can see them in rank 2). As for the 75H, ill add it as soon as i can !

Thanks !!!

[Sternjaeger84 1,076]

F*ck, I want this:

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Huge +1.

[OsO73 491]

11 hours ago, Sternjager said:

F*ck, I want this:

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Huge +1.

it currently sits with the premiums in rank IV 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

A correction you might want to make in the rank 1 section:

 

The image under the Ae.M.B 2 tab is actually of the Ae.M.B 1, which is the version that had the dorsal turret.  The Ae.M.B 2 removed it to fix stability issues with the initial variant.  That said, both could be in the game.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Z3r0_

[OsO73 491]

2 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

A correction you might want to make in the rank 1 section:

 

The image under the Ae.M.B 2 tab is actually of the Ae.M.B 1, which is the version that had the dorsal turret.  The Ae.M.B 2 removed it to fix stability issues with the initial variant.  That said, both could be in the game.

I put the 2 thinking the one with the turret was the latest one, my mistake there, i think that adding the 2nd will be kinda meh, since both have a 400kg bomb load, the later had no top turret and relies only on the ventral one (kinda bad). To be fair, they are "solid" bombers for 1.0, so the missing version will be added. 

 

Im currently "Re-working" the TT, there is quite some stuff that need to be added or updated. 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

12 hours ago, OsO73 said:

I put the 2 thinking the one with the turret was the latest one, my mistake there, i think that adding the 2nd will be kinda meh, since both have a 400kg bomb load, the later had no top turret and relies only on the ventral one (kinda bad). To be fair, they are "solid" bombers for 1.0, so the missing version will be added. 

 

Im currently "Re-working" the TT, there is quite some stuff that need to be added or updated. 

 

Eh...400 kg is a bit anemic even by rank 1 standards, for a level bomber at least (as opposed to an attacker or a dive bomber, for which 250 kg is acceptable), but it's usable.

 

Another aircraft that isn't present on the tree but you might want to add is the FMA AeMO.1, a reconnaissance aircraft which from what I could find wasn't always armed, but the armed variant had two machine guns in the nose and two machine guns for the observer in the back (iirc these were all Vickers guns in .303 Enfield, but I could be wrong).  Could be a reserve-tier aircraft for the heavy fighter/attacker branch.  The only real downsides are that its performance is poor (even by reserve plane standards, but it's not "Po-2 slow") and it can't carry any ordnance, so you'd be using it more or less as a twin-seat fighter, but perhaps it might get a bomber spawn, allowing it to be used as an interceptor, and the rear guns would allow one to attack from below, where enemy bombers at rank 1 tend to be less well defended.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Z3r0_

[AspandaIV 376]

3 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

Another aircraft that isn't present on the tree but you might want to add is the FMA AeMO.1, a reconnaissance aircraft which from what I could find wasn't always armed, but the armed variant had two machine guns in the nose and two machine guns for the observer in the back.  Could be a reserve-tier aircraft for the heavy fighter/attacker branch.  The only real downsides are that its performance is poor (even by reserve plane standards, but it's not "Po-2 slow") and it can't carry any ordnance, so you'd be using it more or less as a twin-seat fighter, but perhaps it might get a bomber spawn, allowing it to be used as an interceptor, and the rear guns would allow one to attack from below, where enemy bombers at rank 1 tend to be less well defended.

Argentina has quite a few aircraft that are slow but not Po-2 slow, three aircraft that fits that description is the Dewoitine 21 & 25 parasol fighters, the main difference between these two variants is the Dewoitine 21 has 2-4 forward facing LMG's (2 fuselage and addition 2 wing mounted can be mounted) while the Dewoitine 25 is slower than the 21 and the 2 wing mounted LMG's are unable to be mounted but it has a twin .30 cal turret. The other slow but not Po-2 slow aircraft that Argentina operated is the floatplane variant of the V-65F, it's equipped with a forward firing .30cal LMG mounted on the upper wing, a .30 cal defensive gun and a provision of 50 kg bombs
 

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[magazine2 7,957]

Looks cool!

[AspandaIV 376]

Some images of the B.2/B.62 Canberra's loadout
 

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As you can see in these two Images above, Argentine Canberra's can equip 2 pairs of SNEB rocket pods on the hardpoints

 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

48 minutes ago, AspandaIV said:

Argentina has quite a few aircraft that are slow but not Po-2 slow, three aircraft that fits that description is the Dewoitine 21 & 25 parasol fighters, the main difference between these two variants is the Dewoitine 21 has 2-4 forward facing LMG's (2 fuselage and addition 2 wing mounted can be mounted) while the Dewoitine 25 is slower than the 21 and the 2 wing mounted LMG's are unable to be mounted but it has a twin .30 cal turret. The other slow but not Po-2 slow aircraft that Argentina operated is the floatplane variant of the V-65F, it's equipped with a forward firing .30cal LMG mounted on the upper wing, a .30 cal defensive gun and a provision of 50 kg bombs
 

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I singled out the AeMO.1 specifically because it's a native design.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Z3r0_

[AspandaIV 376]

56 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

I singled out the AeMO.1 specifically because it's a native design.

That's true though the D.21, D.25 and the V-65F floatplane can still be added since the D.21 was made under license in Argentina and both the D.21 & D.25 were never used by the French (the only other notable operators of the D.21 is Czechoslovakia, Switzerland & Turkey and Argentina is the sole operator of the D.25) and the V-65F is an export variant of the O2U/O3U and we don't have any of the O2U series of aircraft ingame

Edited July 26, 2020 by AspandaIV

[OsO73 491]

12 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Eh...400 kg is a bit anemic even by rank 1 standards, for a level bomber at least (as opposed to an attacker or a dive bomber, for which 250 kg is acceptable), but it's usable.

 

Another aircraft that isn't present on the tree but you might want to add is the FMA AeMO.1, a reconnaissance aircraft which from what I could find wasn't always armed, but the armed variant had two machine guns in the nose and two machine guns for the observer in the back (iirc these were all Vickers guns in .303 Enfield, but I could be wrong).  Could be a reserve-tier aircraft for the heavy fighter/attacker branch.  The only real downsides are that its performance is poor (even by reserve plane standards, but it's not "Po-2 slow") and it can't carry any ordnance, so you'd be using it more or less as a twin-seat fighter, but perhaps it might get a bomber spawn, allowing it to be used as an interceptor, and the rear guns would allow one to attack from below, where enemy bombers at rank 1 tend to be less well defended.

In some sort of comparison, the first Russian bomber (the SB 2M-100) can carry a maximum of 600kg and its at 1.7

As for the AeMO.1, ill probably add it as an event or a gift.

 

8 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

Argentina has quite a few aircraft that are slow but not Po-2 slow, three aircraft that fits that description is the Dewoitine 21 & 25 parasol fighters, the main difference between these two variants is the Dewoitine 21 has 2-4 forward facing LMG's (2 fuselage and addition 2 wing mounted can be mounted) while the Dewoitine 25 is slower than the 21 and the 2 wing mounted LMG's are unable to be mounted but it has a twin .30 cal turret. The other slow but not Po-2 slow aircraft that Argentina operated is the floatplane variant of the V-65F, it's equipped with a forward firing .30cal LMG mounted on the upper wing, a .30 cal defensive gun and a provision of 50 kg bombs

I considered both the D.25 and D.21, but they are slow and i really dont know how they will compare to the other 1.0 or reserve aircraft. As for the V-65F, absolutely, I've seen sources that claim that V-65, 66 & 142 aircraft had more armament mounted (4 machine guns), probably the floatplane version had this modification, ill need to dig around for info about them. 

 

[OsO73 491]

Update: 

Whats new?

we see the addition of a few aircraft and a new TT image !

Additions:

• SNJ-5C (rank I)
• Martin 139WA (rank I)
• T-28A (rank II)
• S-2A (rank III)
• 2 more PV2-5s (rank III)
• OS2U-3 UAF (rank I premium)
• Martin 139 WAN & WAN (H) (rank I premiums)
• H-75H (rank II premium)
• S-2 UAF (rank III premium)
• Ia.58 CAF (rank IV premium)
• Ia.58 Pre-Serie (rank IV premium)
• M.S 760 Paris (late) (rank IV premium)
• I.Ae.33 Prototype (rank V premium)
• T-33 (rank V squadron aircraft)
• F-80C (rank V premium)
• A-4P "Tordillo" (rank VI premium) 

Aircraft like the P3 Orion, Fiat G.46, At-11 Kansan were removed.

[Solarmod 1,204]

On 30/07/2020 at 20:22, OsO73 said:

Aircraft like the P3 Orion, Fiat G.46, At-11 Kansan were removed.

I understand the Orion, but why the G46 and At-11?

[OsO73 491]

7 hours ago, Solarmod said:

I understand the Orion, but why the G46 and At-11?

The G.46 had only 1 Mg, and if im not mistaken no bombs, makes it kinda pointless, as for the AT-11, it was also used as a trainer, until i get more info about it, it will remain out (besides there are quite a few premium bombers in low tier. Dont worry, there still a few aircraft that will be added, mainly a modified version of the F9F-2B, The J-2F Ducks and maybe one or two Uruguayan premiums i forgot. 

[AspandaIV 376]

Here is some Argentine F-86F-30 & 40 Images
 

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In the image above you can see this Argentine F-86F is equipped with bombs, rocket pods and fuel pods, plus some additional skins for the F-86F's and/or a potential decal in the second camo in the image below

 

[OsO73 491]

10 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

Here is some Argentine F-86F-30 & 40 Images
 

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In the image above you can see this Argentine F-86F is equipped with bombs, rocket pods and fuel pods, plus some additional skins for the F-86F's and/or a potential decal in the second camo in the image below

 

Thank you so much! They look amazing 

[OsO73 491]

Update

Today we see the addition of a new mirage, a modernized IIIEA capable of firing the AIM-9M missile, this will be the Top Tier of the Fighter line, while the Mirage Vs are moved after the Daggers.

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Due to recently noticing that there are too much attachments ill have to reduce the quality of some pics and get rid of the least needed ones. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by OsO73

[Xenecrite 899]

SM.79B:

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Keeping this site can help and occasionally be useful for your aerial tree. This site lists most of the planes used in each country from WW1 until today plus they are colored.

Enjoy it

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