techtree Argentine Air Forces Tech tree

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

On 15/03/2021 at 08:50, OsO73 said:

The  Mirage Vp and Vp "Mara" sit momentarily as top tier while i tried to balance the other aircraft a bit (it will be back to the attacker line pretty soon). But i must say, that the MARA is a bit more capable than the IIIEA, having RWR, Flares and Chaff and better avionics (despite not having a radar).

Sadly the A-4AR lags behind in some aspects, the fact of being subsonic and not being able to carry more than 2 missiles puts it in a very complicated spot, its a recent modernization of the A-4M, and thats make its a great aircraft, but it will have a hard time against most of its Supersonic adversaries.

 

I guess it depends on how good the missiles are.  Could be competitive at 9.3 if the missiles are good, otherwise either 8.7 or 9.0.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Z3r0_

[ARGENTVS 292]

12 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

I guess it depends on how good the missiles are.  Could be competitive at 9.3 if the missiles are good, otherwise either 8.7 or 9.0.

It used the Matra R.550 IR short range missile. Which was bad as the AIM-9B.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

4 hours ago, ARGENTVS said:

It used the Matra R.550 IR short range missile. Which was bad as the AIM-9B.

 

Yeah, that could be a problem.  8.7 it is then, since it's still an A-4 which means it'll bleed energy really quickly if one maneuvers in it at all.

[OsO73 491]

4 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

I guess it depends on how good the missiles are.  Could be competitive at 9.3 if the missiles are good, otherwise either 8.7 or 9.0.

The A-4AR has AIM-9L/M 

you might be confused with the A-4C (Matra magic and shafrir 2s) 

[ARGENTVS 292]

4 minutes ago, OsO73 said:

The A-4AR has AIM-9L/M 

you might be confused with the A-4C (Matra magic and shafrir 2s) 

Just came to say that.

12 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Yeah, that could be a problem.  8.7 it is then, since it's still an A-4 which means it'll bleed energy really quickly if one maneuvers in it at all.

My bad, I believed you were talking about the M-V Mara.

OsO73 is right, the A-4Ar uses 9's Mikes and Limas.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

Okay then they should be able to handle themselves at a higher BR...well, after unlocking the missiles anyway.  Unfortunately Gaijin has decided to lock missiles behind a grind on top-tier planes, and most planes without missiles at top tiers are little more than targets.  I guess if it at least gets a ground attack payload as stock (it's still an A-4 variant) you could run it in combined arms in a CAS role.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Z3r0_

[UruguayanDart 44]

I love this so much, +1

[_CrabEVision 2]

This is remarkable work you're doing and as an Argentine I can't put into words how wonderful all this work and feedback that's been happening is! I pray that this TT, along with all your research, gets noticed by Gaijin. 

 

 Don't give up!

[OsO73 491]

7 hours ago, _CrabEVision said:

This is remarkable work you're doing and as an Argentine I can't put into words how wonderful all this work and feedback that's been happening is! I pray that this TT, along with all your research, gets noticed by Gaijin. 

 

 Don't give up!

Thanks for the support man!! 

Edited April 23, 2021 by OsO73

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

+1 from me, I honestly want this so badly. 

[Unl3ashed20 131]

Definitely a good idea. Maybe it could be added as a part of France as many aircraft used are french/french based or equipped with weapons of french origin. They are still missing 2 lines so they would be a great addition like SA was to the british tree. +1

[Twich-Mystyk@psn 13]

wow me voló la cabeza es genial que metan eso esta muy bien hecho y explicado lo que hiciste. pero 3 cosas

 

1. es muy raro que metan el c130 t68 pero estaria genial

 

2. dudo que metan argentina porque casi no tienen tanque o talvez me equivoco. 

 

3. no meterían un nacion solamente con aviones tiene que tener tanques 

[AspandaIV 376]

2 hours ago, Unl3ashed20 said:

Maybe it could be added as a part of France as many aircraft used are french/french based or equipped with weapons of french origin. They are still missing 2 lines so they would be a great addition like SA was to the british tree. +1

No, I am against Argentina being a part of France and here's why

• Most of their export aircraft are not of French origin, at the ones shown, most of their non native aircraft at Tier I to IV aircraft are either American or British of origin, infact they used more Italian aircraft at Tier I to IV than they have French aircraft, even at the later Tier's they are still overall just as many American aircraft then French ones, also a lot of the earlier aircraft used Danish weapons, a lot of their natively designed aircraft are designed with the help of Mainly German and Italian designers (most famously Kurt Tank and Cesare Pallavicino [he was one of the main designers that worked for Breda and Caproni])
• France sided with the British during the Falkands war and temporarily embargoed them, the only reason they got some French aircraft is because of friendly South American nations (mainly Peru) gifting them to make up for the aircraft they lost in the Falkands war
• Thirdly there is only one American TT and there is no South American TT and for at least Aircraft and to a lesser extent the Navy Argentina is the best option (their tanks TT is a bit lacking but can be fixed by adding Brazil or even Uruguay into the Argentine TT however if we are going to do that it should be renamed to the Rio del Plata or Southern Triple Alliance TT[i.e the only countries i'm fine for Argentina being paired with] and France has a comprehensive tank TT anyways)
• The main reason why France currently has 3 lines in there Air TT is partly because gaijin is too lazy to add 2 or 3 additional lines to the French Air TT, they can easily have five or even Six lines dedicated to aircraft that France actually operated and also they are not the Main 4 so they'll normally get put into the backburner anyways

Link to said thread: 

 

[Unl3ashed20 131]

4 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

No, I am against Argentina being a part of France and here's why

• Most of their export aircraft are not of French origin, at the ones shown, most of their non native aircraft at Tier I to IV aircraft are either American or British of origin, infact they used more Italian aircraft at Tier I to IV than they have French aircraft, even at the later Tier's they are still overall just as many American aircraft then French ones, also a lot of the earlier aircraft used Danish weapons, a lot of their natively designed aircraft are designed with the help of Mainly German and Italian designers (most famously Kurt Tank and Cesare Pallavicino [he was one of the main designers that worked for Breda and Caproni])
• France sided with the British during the Falkands war and temporarily embargoed them, the only reason they got some French aircraft is because of friendly South American nations (mainly Peru) gifting them to make up for the aircraft they lost in the Falkands war
• Thirdly there is only one American TT and there is no South American TT and for at least Aircraft and to a lesser extent the Navy Argentina is the best option (their tanks TT is a bit lacking but can be fixed by adding Brazil or even Uruguay into the Argentine TT however if we are going to do that it should be renamed to the Rio del Plata or Southern Triple Alliance TT[i.e the only countries i'm fine for Argentina being paired with] and France has a comprehensive tank TT anyways)
• The main reason why France currently has 3 lines in there Air TT is partly because gaijin is too lazy to add 2 or 3 additional lines to the French Air TT, they can easily have five or even Six lines dedicated to aircraft that France actually operated and also they are not the Main 4 so they'll normally get put into the backburner anyways

Link to said thread: 

I get your point however I would love to see some of the "modified" aircraft with french weapons like the A-4 with DEFAs for France too. It would help to flesh out the tree same with the M-5s not necessarily the Mirage 3s because they are a little overdue already as they are right now.

[ARGENTVS 292]

12 hours ago, Twich-Mystyk@psn said:

wow me voló la cabeza es genial que metan eso esta muy bien hecho y explicado lo que hiciste. pero 3 cosas

 

1. es muy raro que metan el c130 t68 pero estaria genial

 

2. dudo que metan argentina porque casi no tienen tanque o talvez me equivoco. 

 

3. no meterían un nacion solamente con aviones tiene que tener tanques 

2- Si tenemos tanques para hacer varias líneas - We do have tanks to make a few lines.

3- Suecia, Italia, Francia, Japón empezaron sin tanques. Sweden, Italy, France, Japan, started without tanks.

 

 

 

 

 

[OsO73 491]

Update !!

 

Well, its been quite a while since i did an update on the tree, and to my surprise most of the images that were uploaded by the  attachments stopped working, i replaced all the ones that were not working by others from working sites so we hopefully dont see this happening again. Sorry for that!

What is new? well, we got a few new aircraft:

A new A-4, the A-4E Ayit, an ex israeli aircraft that was purchased by the Argentine Navy in the mid 80s, the aircraft were prepared and painted in argentine colors while supplies and equipment was being shipped to Argentina, later the Purchase was vetoed by the USA and the A-4s remained in Israel. (The Argentine one could be seen in pictures along others in storage).

Spoiler

 

And the "Duck" family of hydroplanes, consisting on the G-15, G-20, J2F-5 and J2F-6 of the Argentine Navy

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Important message:

Im really sorry for most ongoing delays to get the trees updated, since its only me, getting information, pictures and other resources to complete this suggestions is a bit of a pain in the rear...but ill try to keep as much updated as i can, so please be patient!

Thanks for your support and feedback !

Edited May 10, 2021 by OsO73

[Twich-Mystyk@psn 13]

Ah, está bien si lo hubiera visto después de eso y me voló la cabeza 2 veces jajaja. No sabía yo juego durante unos 3 años y no tenía ni idea. y espero que consigan que Argentina tenga muchos tanques y seguro, pero seguramente hará que la nación sea más divertida. seguro que lo pondrán en 2 o 3 años

 

ah okay si lo habia visto despues eso y me volo la cabeza 2 veces jajaja. yo no sabia eso yo juego hace como 3 años y ni tenia idea. y espero que metan argentina tiene muchos tanque y seguro pero seguro va hacer la nacion mas divertida. seguro que lo van a poner en 2 o 3 años 

Edited May 10, 2021 by Twich-Mystyk@psn
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[OsO73 491]

2 minutes ago, Twich-Mystyk@psn said:

Ah, está bien si lo hubiera visto después de eso y me voló la cabeza 2 veces jajaja. No sabía yo juego durante unos 3 años y no tenía ni idea. y espero que consigan que Argentina tenga muchos tanques y seguro, pero seguramente hará que la nación sea más divertida. seguro que lo pondrán en 2 o 3 años

 

ah okay si lo habia visto despues eso y me volo la cabeza 2 veces jajaja. yo no sabia eso yo juego hace como 3 años y ni tenia idea. y espero que metan argentina tiene muchos tanque y seguro pero seguro va hacer la nacion mas divertida. seguro que lo van a poner en 2 o 3 años 

Gracias por el apoyo, no se muy bien por que las fotos dejaron de funcionar y tuve que subir nuevas, de a poco lo voy completando !

 

[Twich-Mystyk@psn 13]

3 minutes ago, OsO73 said:

Gracias por el apoyo, no se muy bien por que las fotos dejaron de funcionar y tuve que subir nuevas, de a poco lo voy completando!

 

Vos tomate tu tiempo lo estas haciendo genial esta muy bien hecho todo. no se que estoy tocando para responder a los mensajes ayer me cree la cuenta y no entiendo nada jajajajaj

 

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

On 09/05/2021 at 02:59, Unl3ashed20 said:

Definitely a good idea. Maybe it could be added as a part of France as many aircraft used are french/french based or equipped with weapons of french origin. They are still missing 2 lines so they would be a great addition like SA was to the british tree. +1

Why not add French aircraft instead?

[James159014@psn 35]

I love Argentina and don’t tell me wrong, I support this idea, however, I find a major issue with it, it has little future perspective. With the Mirage III and V, there are no more modern jet fighters. They are marvelous but, a bit of other countries would be needed in order to provide rank VII and beyond coverage.

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

Maybe the Mirage IIIEBR could be added, and progressively more modern aircraft from other countries could be added as well? I'm not sure in all honesty, but it makes sense, on paper at least.

[OsO73 491]

On 20/05/2021 at 15:17, AVROVULCANXH558 said:

Maybe the Mirage IIIEBR could be added, and progressively more modern aircraft from other countries could be added as well? I'm not sure in all honesty, but it makes sense, on paper at least.

For now the newest (or best performing) aircraft that i consider for the tree are the late Mirages armed with AIM-9Ls and with other modifications, most of this will be able to compete at high tiers (i might also need to re-arrange the tree with the inclusion of Tier 7 and changes in BR). Even though there is no more modern aircraft i firmly believe there is no issue if Argentina stops there, sadly (much like other trees with the exception of naval) it has its limitations.

[Terminator_Muru 0]

The I.Ae. 27 Pulqui I is missing, it is an experimental plane and the first jet plane created on Latin America and the 7th in the world

[OsO73 491]

2 hours ago, Terminator_Muru said:

The I.Ae. 27 Pulqui I is missing, it is an experimental plane and the first jet plane created on Latin America and the 7th in the world

I've been a bit cautious with it, as i can't find much regarding if it was supposed to have armament or no (some sources say x2 20mm hispanos, others say it couldn't carry armament), if it was intended to do so it could be a nice starter jet.