techtree Argentine Air Forces Tech tree

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

On 01/06/2021 at 08:57, OsO73 said:

I've been a bit cautious with it, as i can't find much regarding if it was supposed to have armament or no (some sources say x2 20mm hispanos, others say it couldn't carry armament), if it was intended to do so it could be a nice starter jet.

 

I've also seen sources that say four hispanos.

 

Also, now that all rank 6+ jet fighters get missiles stock (albeit usually only a pair of the crappiest missiles it could carry), that's something to think about with the top tiers of this tree.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Z3r0_

[OsO73 491]

8 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

I've also seen sources that say four hispanos.

Ive read 2, 4 or none, i guess gaijin could do a compromise with this one and add it anyway i guess?

 

8 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

Also, now that all rank 6+ jet fighters get missiles stock (albeit usually only a pair of the crappiest missiles it could carry), that's something to think about with the top tiers of this tree.

Considering that a lot of the aircraft only carry a single model of missiles (Shafrir 2, or Matra Magic), would't be advisable to lower the cost of the modification for missiles?

[OsO73 491]

Update:

With the arrival of Tier VII some of the Top tier VI aircraft have been moved to to Tier VII this include:

• Mirage IIIC
• Mirage IIIE (and its later modification 
• M-5 Dagger 
• M-5 Finger
• SEM
• Mirage VP 
• Mirage VP "Mara"

The majority of the pictures have been replaced (trying to avoid the pic not showing issue) and in the cases where a suggestion was made about one of the aircraft featured on the tree i added a link to it.

 

Edited June 7, 2021 by OsO73

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

5 hours ago, OsO73 said:

Ive read 2, 4 or none, i guess gaijin could do a compromise with this one and add it anyway i guess?

 

Considering that a lot of the aircraft only carry a single model of missiles (Shafrir 2, or Matra Magic), would't be advisable to lower the cost of the modification for missiles?

 

None on the aircraft as-built (it was a prototype/tech demonstrator), I was referring to the planned armament of a production fighter.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Z3r0_

[OsO73 491]

7 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

None on the aircraft as-built (it was a prototype/tech demonstrator), I was referring to the planned armament of a production fighter.

I was referring to the same thing, the the Pulqui 1 itself never got armament on it, quoting the book by Ricardo Burzaco "Alas de Peron"

"although the only prototype that was built never got armament mounted, it was planned to give it x4 20mm cannons to the side of the air intakes."

 

on another side, another source, states that armament wasnt taken into account, as the cockpit didn't have any space for guns, let alone 4 Hispano cannons. 

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I really dont know with this one...

 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

6 hours ago, OsO73 said:

I was referring to the same thing, the the Pulqui 1 itself never got armament on it, quoting the book by Ricardo Burzaco "Alas de Peron"

"although the only prototype that was built never got armament mounted, it was planned to give it x4 20mm cannons to the side of the air intakes."

 

on another side, another source, states that armament wasnt taken into account, as the cockpit didn't have any space for guns, let alone 4 Hispano cannons. 

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I really dont know with this one...

 

 

Yeah it does look pretty tight.  Could be that they would've been fitted into blisters on the sides of the fuselage (like on the frontal guns of the in-game B-25s), a tray under the fuselage, or perhaps in the wings.

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

The most realistic estimate for armament on the Pulqui 1 is that it carried two Hispanos. Gaijin has added prototypes into the game that never carried armament, the Ho 229 being the best example, and it would fill a small gap in the tree.

[OsO73 491]

11 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Yeah it does look pretty tight.  Could be that they would've been fitted into blisters on the sides of the fuselage (like on the frontal guns of the in-game B-25s), a tray under the fuselage, or perhaps in the wings.

Could be, but we need to take into account the size and weight of the Hispanos, that could have been a pretty limiting factor when it came to the space in the aircraft.

 

4 hours ago, AVROVULCANXH558 said:

The most realistic estimate for armament on the Pulqui 1 is that it carried two Hispanos. Gaijin has added prototypes into the game that never carried armament, the Ho 229 being the best example, and it would fill a small gap in the tree.

i agree, that could be the most usable and realistic choice for it.

Edited June 8, 2021 by OsO73

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

7 hours ago, AVROVULCANXH558 said:

The most realistic estimate for armament on the Pulqui 1 is that it carried two Hispanos. Gaijin has added prototypes into the game that never carried armament, the Ho 229 being the best example, and it would fill a small gap in the tree.

 

And not even the planned armament at that.  iirc no variant of the Ho 229 was supposed to carry MK 103s, it was supposed to either be MG 151s or MK 108s.

[OsO73 491]

A little quick update!, while i was checking out the tree i realized i needed yo fix the arrangement on some cards as they weren't being viewed properly, thus i took the opportunity to add 3 more aircraft to the tree:

2 versions of the Dewoitine D-21, one from the argentine navy and another from the Argentine Air Force.

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And the I.Ae.27 Pulqui I!!!

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Sorry for the inconvenience !

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

Could the Bolivian Cavalier Mustang be an option, considering that other neighbouring countries have had their aircraft added into the tree?

[OsO73 491]

5 hours ago, AVROVULCANXH558 said:

Could the Bolivian Cavalier Mustang be an option, considering that other neighbouring countries have had their aircraft added into the tree?

When it comes to neighboring nations that are added here i mostly tried with Uruguay and possibly Paraguay, who enjoyed a close military relation with Argentina for many years. Uruguayan Air Force and Naval aviation used to have a lot of cooperation with the Argentine Naval, as they trained thoghether and even Shared both Argentine Carriers. In the case of Paraguay the same can be said but with naval units and also with the Army, Bolivia its another case, i would love to have the Cavalier mustang, but i dont know how would most players take it, as it would be the second P-51 in the tree (and i guess most people really dislike the idea off seeing copies or the same vehicle in another form).

Ill consider it tho!

[Xenecrite 899]

@Oso73

Hold this could be useful for your research and improve your color tree

https://cse.google.ru/cse?cx=partner-pub-6141657215653160%3Aqmow5l623ra&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=argentina&sa=Search

http://www.amilarg.com.ar/perfiles.html

[OsO73 491]

4 hours ago, Xenecrite said:

@Oso73

Hold this could be useful for your research and improve your color tree

https://cse.google.ru/cse?cx=partner-pub-6141657215653160%3Aqmow5l623ra&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=argentina&sa=Search

http://www.amilarg.com.ar/perfiles.html

Hi, thank you !, i used AmilArg since day one, it was a great way to have a full list of aircraft to start out (+ the general specs of them), Thanks for the other one though !!

[AspandaIV 376]

Here is another IA-58 variant that can be added to the TT the  AX-04 , this specific prototype is mainly to see the feasibility for the IA-58 as a Torpedo Attacker

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Here is a source about the AX-04 and the torpedo it used
http://histarmar.com.ar/InfGral-5/PucaraTorpedero.htm

Edited July 19, 2021 by AspandaIV

[OsO73 491]

2 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

Here is another IA-58 variant that can be added to the TT the  AX-04 , this specific prototype is mainly to see the feasibility for the IA-58 as a Torpedo Attacker

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Here is a source about the AX-04 and the torpedo it used
http://histarmar.com.ar/InfGral-5/PucaraTorpedero.htm

Considering that the torpedo and mine trials were done by AX-04 and a series pucara, im actually giving that armament towards the Pre-Series and IA.58A instead of making it another vehicle.

 

im not really sure how useful would be a Mk.13 in 5.7 but well, i guess it better than nothing right ?

Edited July 19, 2021 by OsO73

[Solarmod 1,204]

I'm still a firm supporter of Argentina as being a valid tech tree, as it would give South America it's own representative country.

[OsO73 491]

Todays update is a bit small!

Two new aircraft are added to the tree:

 

• Gloster Meteor Mk.IV Hybrid 

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• Uruguayan A-37 Dragonfly

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[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

Have you looked at adding the Canberra B.92, a modernised variant of the B.2 that was never delivered because of the Falklands War?

 

And the Canberra B.2 and T.4 were designated as B.62 and T.64, to differentiate them from the British aircraft. Would just like to point this out (yes, it is quite pedantic, I know, but it would give the impression they are "new" aircraft).

Edited August 14, 2021 by AVROVULCANXH558

[OsO73 491]

7 minutes ago, AVROVULCANXH558 said:

Have you looked at adding the Canberra B.92, a modernised variant of the B.2 that was never delivered because of the Falklands War?

Initially i saw this failed deal and planned to add the Canberra (much like the A-4E with israel)

A picture of one of said aircraft, as far as im concerned they only improved navigational equipment so it won't be a huge change from the the Canberras that are already in the tree (its kinda like the Pelicano)

7 minutes ago, AVROVULCANXH558 said:

And the Canberra B.2 and T.4 were designated as B.62 and T.64, to differentiate them from the British aircraft. Would just like to point this out (yes, it is quite pedantic, I know, but it would give the impression they are "new" aircraft).

Well, they certainly had a few differences with their British counterparts, the possibility of using LAU-60 FFAR rocket pods, the later pelicano radar and most importantly CHAFF! that was using during the war with some success (Although the lack of RWR made its use a lot harder).

 

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

22 hours ago, OsO73 said:

A picture of one of said aircraft, as far as im concerned they only improved navigational equipment so it won't be a huge change from the the Canberras that are already in the tree

Would still be cool

 

22 hours ago, OsO73 said:

Well, they certainly had a few differences with their British counterparts, the possibility of using LAU-60 FFAR rocket pods, the later pelicano radar and most importantly CHAFF! that was using during the war with some success (Although the lack of RWR made its use a lot harder).

Yeah, which is what makes them quite unique. A different identification marker would add to it, imo.

 

Edit: the more I look at the B.92, the more it looks like the T.17 ECM trainer that the RAF operated. If it was like this, it must be added.

Edited August 15, 2021 by AVROVULCANXH558

[Milocat 4,857]

I was kind of resistant to the idea for a long time but some kind of Argentinian/South American tree could be quite fun, I'll support this.  +1.

[AVROVULCANXH558 349]

The best tree from South America which can be added is Argentina, as they've got the greatest pool of unique equipment.

[KayAgus_ 1]

I need this in my life 

[DoULiftWaffle 84]

+1 and this has been a rollercoaster for me.

 

I'll admit to saying that when I first looked at the tree, I scoffed at it. Argentina - as a nation in WT? Oh, don't make me laugh. However, the more I looked at the air tree, the other suggestions, the additions as well as some of my own reading; I came to the conclusion that I am actually liking this nation in the game more and more. While I am unsure as to how or when this will be implemented, Argentina as a whole stands to be a unique nation to the game. As much as I would like a "Latin America" TT as a whole (or just South America), I do understand the nightmare about trying to balance it out. 

 

So once again, big plus from me. I hope to see whatever else you can dig up.