Finnish fighter tree in Swedish Aviation tree [Reworked]

[stuka2689 314]

 

 

Finnish tree in Swedish Aviation Tree

 

 

We already have 6 Finnish aircraft in game(1 in Germany, 5 in Sweden for premium), but still no tech tree aircraft. But Finland has its own-made Aircraft(as we can see in game) and used many (other country's) aircraft during the WW2. Finnish Aviation should be in game because of its individuality. Also, Swedish aviation in game is so small and has only 3 line. So, as we already have finnish aircrafts in swedish tree, we can make finnish line in Swedish aviation like Italian aircrafts in german tree.

 

Why Sweden?

We already have Finnish aircraft in Swedish tree because both countries are in Scandinavia. Also Sweden has only 1 fighter line. Maybe finnish aviation can end the lack of plane.

 

 

Overall tree

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(Bruh to my crude Exel work)

 

(Swastika warning)

Fighters

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Rank 1

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Jaktfalken II (J6A or J6B)

BR:All 1.0

History:

Sweden gave three Jaktfalkens (two J 6Bs and one J 6A) to the FAF(finnish air force)  on 8 December 1939. These were the oldest ones of the type that Sweden had; it was common to give away the oldest equipment as military aid. The aircraft were used for training at the airfield at  kauhava until 1945, when all were scrapped.

J6B is already in game. So, we can add J6A. Difference between 2 aircraft is J6B retained the revised wing structure and lengthened fuselage of the J6A, to which were added redesigned horizontal tail surfaces from which the bracing struts were eliminated. Not much difference between 2.

 

I couldn't find many information about J6A. If someone knowing about J6A or has more information, write in comment please. 

This plane can be replaced by Finnish J6B or just gladiator mk 2, which is already in game.

specifications:

Engine:B ristol Jupiter VIIF(520hp)

Armament:same as J6B

 

source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svenska_Aero_Jaktfalken

https://www.armedconflicts.com/J-6A-J-6B-t57820

 

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Fokker D.XXI

(There's already suggestion about this aircraft.)

Fokker D.XXI is a Dutch fighter. Finnish air force received seven aircraft and built 90 on license. 

History:

License production D.XXIs in Finland ran from 1939 until 1944. These systems were differentiated by the aforementioned machine gun allocation as well as internal provisions to take on either the Bristol Pegasus or Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp Junior radial engines of 825 horsepower. Finnish D.XXI's fared surprisingly well against the early-form Soviet fighters in their Winter War-making up seven Finnish Air Force squadrons (Nos. 10, 12, 14, 24, 26, 30 and 32). Over the subsequent months, the D.XXI quickly became outclassed by the better-armed and better-performing Soviet fighters. Despite this, several Finnish pilots were able to achieve "ace" status flying these machines.

Engine:Bristol Mercury VIII(830hp)

Armament:4 x 7.7mm vickers MG

 

source:https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=612

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_D.XXI

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B-239(F2A-1 buffalo)

same as in-game F2A-1. BR 2.3

source:https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/F2A-2/FAF/pages/Brewster-Buffalo-MkI-FAF-BW378-Finland-01.html

 

 

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VL Humu

History:

Because of the small numbers of Brewsters(F2A) in service (44) in the Finnish air force, the Finns wanted to see if they could design a fighter based on the Brewster design. The aircraft designers Torsti Verkkola, Arvo Ylinen and Martti Vainio were called upon to lead the project. The Finnish Air Force ordered 90 Humus; however, production was stopped in 1944, when only one aircraft had been produced, serial no. HM-671. The first flight took place on 8 August 1944, HM-671 flying for a total of 19 hours and 50 minutes. The aircraft was 250 kg (551 lb) heavier than calculated, its engine was underpowered, and the aircraft was not of the standard expected from a fighter aircraft of 1944.

VL Humu was still decent for a recon plane, and together with VL myrsky, it would have replaced the obsolete biplanes of the recon squadrons. The end of the Continuation war in September 1944, however, put the end to the project.

This plane looks like finnish F2A buffalo, but different. Humu has worse performance than Later F2A and worse armament. but this is finnish domestically produced plane.

 

Little Specifications:

Engine:Shvetsov 9-cylinder air-cooled radial piston engine, 1,000 hp

Length:8.03m

Height:3.66m

Max speed:430km/h(270mph)

Rate of climb:13.3m/s

Armament:2 x 12.7mm Lkk/42 MG

 

source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VL_Humu

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1585

 

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H-75A-4

H-75 A-4 model

History:

After the  fall of france , Germany agreed to sell captured Curtiss Hawk fighters to Finland in October 1940. In total, 44 captured aircraft of five subtypes were sold to Finland with three deliveries from 23 June 1941 – 5 January 1944. Not all were from the French stocks, 13 were initially sold to Norway and captured when the Germans conquered that country. The aircraft were given serial codes CU-501 to CU-507 (A-4 submodel with Cyclone) and CU-551 to CU-587 (all other submodels with Twin Wasp).

H-75a-4 are model with twin wasp. 7 a-4 were captured and sold to Finland by germany,

The Finnish Hawks were initially armed with either four or six 7.5mm(2 in fuselage) machine guns, but accoding to wikipedia, Fuselage gun replaced by 1 or 2 12.7mm FN browning or berezin UB or Lkk/42 MG later.

If that's true, Finnish H-75 can be unique modified fighter.

 

Specifications:

Same as ingame H-75a-4, only difference is armaments. maybe.

 

source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk

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VL Myrsky I

History:

The VL Myrsky (translates as Storm) is a Finnish domestically produced fighter. 51 were manufactured between 1941 and 1945. 

In 1943, production was underway for the revised "Myrsky II" of which 47 aircraft were ultimately completed. The aircraft was then placed into operational service with awaiting Finnish reconnaissance and fighter groups in August of 1944 and saw service in the "Continuation War" (June 1941-September 1944) against the Soviet Union. Myrskys were used in both fighter and fighter-bomber roles which complemented the arrival of very capable Messerschmitt BF 109G fighters being delivered from Germany. By all accounts, the Finnish design was adequate in the roles presented though it is said that her pilots never held a true appreciation for the type mostly due to less than stellar performance. The continuation war ended with a Soviet victory solidified through the Moscow Armistice. Finland then turned on the Germans in the "Lapland War" which spanned October 1944 to the end of World War 2 in April of 1945, officially ending German influence in the country.

VL Myrsky I was pre-production model. 

 

Specifications:

Engine:Pratt & Whitney R-1830-SC3-G Twin Wasp , 794 kW (1,065 hp)

Length:8.35m

height:3m

Max speed:470 km/h(292 mph) at Sea Level, 535 km/h(332 mph) at 3,300 m(10830 ft)

Climb rate:15.0m/s

Armament:4 x 12.7mm Lkk/42 MG

Bombs:2 x 100kg bomb

 

source:https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=936

https://plane-encyclopedia.com/ww2/vl-myrsky/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VL_Myrsky

 

 

 

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Bf 109 G-6

You can see that Roundel is different.

History:

Finnish air force ordered 162 Bf 109 from germany, received its first 109 in 13 march 1943.(3 were destoyed during transit, 2 were G-6). and 1 was G-8 model.

The Bf 109 is still the aircraft type that has served in the largest numbers in the Finnish Air Force.

The Finns scored 667 confirmed victories with the type, losing 34 Bf 109s to enemy fighters or anti-aircraft fire. A further 16 were lost in accidents and eight aircraft were destroyed on the ground.

The aircraft was nicknamed Mersu in popular speech.

 

Yep, copy-pasted bf 109 again. Because pyörremyrsky is a premium.

 

source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109_operational_history

Picture source:https://suomisodassa.tumblr.com/post/36096179654/finnish-messerschmitt-bf-109g-6-during-the-lapland

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Bf 109 G-8(G-6/U3)

Messerschmitt Bf109 G8,MT483, WNr.710012 in Finish markings, Sept 1944 .

(Already suggested by other)

History:

Bf 109 G-8 was a dedicated reconnaissance version based on the G-6. The G-8 often had only the 20mm  Motorkanone engine cannon or the cowling machine guns installed.

Finnish air force ordered 162 Bf 109 from germany, received its first 109 in 13 march 1943.(3 were destoyed during transit, 1 were G-8).

Finnish air force only operated 2 G-8 model, until 1954.

G-8 could carry 2 20mm Gunpod(R6 factory modification) and ETC 500 IX bomb(R1 modification).

This plane can be a VERY unique fighter with less guns. Not just copy-pasted fighter.

specifications:

Engine:Daimler-Benz DB 605A-1(1,455hp)

armament:1 x 20mm MG 151 engine cannon

 

source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109_variants#Miscellaneous_variants:_G-8,_G-12

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=KzMqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT79&lpg=PT79&dq=Bf+109+G-8&source=bl&ots=AKBx25EOwX&sig=TeYGMRrouNTDCPQ7MiLiUtH3fvM&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Bf 109 G-8&f=false

picture source:http://luftwaffelovers.blogspot.com/2017/04/3d-modeling-messerschmitt-bf109-g6g8-by.html

 

 

Rank 4

Nothing.

Rank 5

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Vampire FB.52

export version of the Mk 6. Finnish air force received 6 FB.52 in 1953.

same as ingame FB.52A, but less bomb load

 

specifications:  Havilland Goblin 3 centrifugal turbojet, 3,350 lbf

Max speed: 882 km/h(548 mph)

armament : 4 × 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannon

8xRP-3 or 2 500lb bomb

 

source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire#Variants

https://www.historicalsquadron.com/vampire-fb-52

 

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MIG-21F-13

Same as ingame MIG-21F-13.

 

Rank 7

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J35XS

J35XS is a export model of the Swedish J35F draken. Finnish used them along with soviet MiG-21s.

Finnish used not only AIM-9J, but also R-13M missiles.

 

 

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MiG-21MGBT MG-114

Very unique recon fighter based on MiG-21bis. It's a recon plane but also can armed with all bis loadouts including R-60.

 

 

 

Note:I'm not a English speaker and not good at English. There will be many grammatical errors.

 

Edit:I avoided adding too many copy-pasted plane. I didn't add Bf 109 G-2, other H-75 variants(Like H-75A-6. It's a new variant but I didn't add it becauae I preferred modified versions. It still can be added), most captured fighters. 

 

Primary sources used for finding finnish aircraft and informations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_Finland

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/ww2-fighter-aircraft.asp

https://plane-encyclopedia.com/world-war-2/

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by police2689
Rank 7 added. 2022 5/26:Many error corrected. 2022/7/4:Morko Morane removed, tree reworked

[Miki_Hoshii 2,449]

Hello police2689,

 

All polls require a 'no' or negative answer in the suggestion sub-section, I have edited your poll to comply with suggestion rules. 

 

Open for discussion.

 

On 22/06/2018 at 11:59, CokeSpray said:

 

 

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[TM_06 225]

Seeing as there is no real chance for an independent Finnish tree, it would be smart to add the aircraft they made to the Swedish tree. +1 for all.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

Some additional aircraft to keep in mind:

• G.50 Freccia
• Valmet Vihuri
• Koolhoven F.K. 52
• Bristol Bulldog Mk. IVA
• Fokker CVD/E
• Fokker C.X.
• Caudron C.714
• Folland Gnat F.1
• MiG-21bis

[nxdefiant001 1,397]

How about putting the Morane MG151 as a premium in the french tech tree, Sweden already have a Morane which has no relation to them whatsoever.

[MasterOfUltramar 1,711]

 

+ Hawk Mk 66 ofc, in the picture. Finnish Hawk Mk 66 with R-60M missile. Could also carry AIM-9J and M AA missiles, Matra Type 155 SNEB rocket pods, some British GP bombs of multiple types, Finnish VKT 12.7mm gunpods and British 30mm ADEN gun pods.

Edited April 9, 2020 by FinlandSupreme

[AspandaIV 376]

+1 since we already have Finnish vehicles in the Swedish TT and both have very similar foreign policies to each other (both are Neutral countries that used to be part of NAM and both are EU member countries that are "militarily neutral")

Also here is some of the aircraft that can be added that Finland used, mainly light bombers, torpedo bombers, and trainers/light attack aircraft since these can be used to either fill up gaps in the Swedish TT or to add variety to the Swedish TT

Blackburn Ripon: British carrier borne torpedo bomber, some Ripons were built under license in Finland (Swastika warning)
 

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VL Kokta: Native Finnish Recon Floatplane that can carry bombs and is equipped with 3 7.7's (Swastika warning)
 

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Heinkel 115: Sweden also operated the He-115's, Sweden operated around 12 He-115's while Finland only operated 3 [2 A-2's and one C variant] (Swastika warning)
 

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Do-22K: Torpedo bomber floatplane originally intended for Latvia however were handed over to the Finnish due to Latvia getting occupied by the Soviet Union, Finland is the only country other than Greece and Yugoslavia to operate this aircraft (Swastika warning)
 

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Heinkel 59: Yet another torpedo bomber floatplane used by Finland (Swastika warning)
 

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Fouga Magister: Even though it's a trainer aircraft, it can also be used as a light attack aircraft, it is equipped with 2 7.5mm mg's in the nose, 2x 50kg bombs, Nord SS.11 AGM and a assortment of unguided rockets on 2 wing hardpoints
 

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BAe Hawk Mk.51
 

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Gloster Gamecock and Gauntlet: These are the only two true fighters that I listed (Swastika warning)
 

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Edited April 9, 2020 by AspandaIV

[stuka2689 314]

54 minutes ago, AspandaIV said:

+1 since we already have Finnish vehicles in the Swedish TT and both have very similar foreign policies to each other (both are Neutral countries that used to be part of NAM and both are EU member countries that are "militarily neutral")

Also here is some of the aircraft that can be added that Finland used, mainly light bombers, torpedo bombers, and trainers/light attack aircraft since these can be used to either fill up gaps in the Swedish TT or to add variety to the Swedish TT

Blackburn Ripon: British carrier borne torpedo bomber, some Ripons were built under license in Finland (Swastika warning)
 

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VL Kokta: Native Finnish Recon Floatplane that can carry bombs and is equipped with 3 7.7's (Swastika warning)
 

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Heinkel 115: Sweden also operated the He-115's, Sweden operated around 12 He-115's while Finland only operated 3 [2 A-2's and one C variant] (Swastika warning)
 

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Do-22K: Torpedo bomber floatplane originally intended for Latvia however were handed over to the Finnish due to Latvia getting occupied by the Soviet Union, Finland is the only country other than Greece and Yugoslavia to operate this aircraft (Swastika warning)
 

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Heinkel 59: Yet another torpedo bomber floatplane used by Finland (Swastika warning)
 

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Fouga Magister: Even though it's a trainer aircraft, it can also be used as a light attack aircraft, it is equipped with 2 7.5mm mg's in the nose, 2x 50kg bombs, Nord SS.11 AGM and a assortment of unguided rockets on 2 wing hardpoints
 

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BAe Hawk Mk.51
 

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Gloster Gamecock and Gauntlet: These are the only two true fighters that I listed (Swastika warning)
 

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Maybe good for Finnish attacker/bomber tree, or premium!

1 hour ago, nxdefiant001 said:

How about putting the Morane MG151 as a premium in the french tech tree, Sweden already have a Morane which has no relation to them whatsoever.

That could be a good Idea if we can find proper plane for that position. I putted 20mm Morane because It's so unique.

[MasterOfUltramar 1,711]

19 minutes ago, nxdefiant001 said:

This is a french plane, os it has already more to do with the french tt than the swedish tt. The Pyörremyrsky is finnish built so there's no other way to include to in the game ans Sweden needed a premium, while the Morko already has its originial creators in the tech tree. If the MG 151 was indded not used by the french, the Pyörremyrsky was not used at all by the Swedes, nor does it have a connexion to them. 

The Moranne has more connexions to the french tt than the ikea tech tree, there's no valid reason to put with the swedes other than the Pyörremyrsky and im sure you can find sweden related planes to fill its premium role.

You and everyone else already know Gaijin is gonna add it to Swedish tree.

Example, another Finnish vehicle that has absolute nothing to do with the nation it is in, KV-1B. Finnish captured tank, made in Soviet Union, in German tree.

Basically same story for Mörkö Morane MG151/20 Except this time theres a middleman, Made in France, Taken by Germany, Bought from Germany by Finland, Modified by Finland, Operated in Finland.

Edited April 9, 2020 by FinlandSupreme

[PlanyKaanere 722]

You're missing some Finnish D.XXI variants:

-D.XXI-3: The one you have on your suggestion, with a Bristol Mercury and 4x7.7 mm Vickers machine guns. Could also change the mgs in the wings for 20mm cannons.

-D.XXI-4: With a Twin Wasp Junior engine. 

-D.XXI FR-167: one D.XXI-4 modified with a retractable undercarriage.

 

There was also a preproduction Myrsky called the Myrsky I, but it only differed with the production variant in its internal structure.

 

4 hours ago, nxdefiant001 said:

How about putting the Morane MG151 as a premium in the french tech tree, Sweden already have a Morane which has no relation to them whatsoever.

 

Finnish planes go to the Swedish tree because Sweden assisted the Finnish military during WWII, even if they didn't take part in the conflict directly. Sweden also didn't operate as many aircraft as other nations, so adding more nordic aircraft does improve the tech tree.

And if you want a premium MS.410 in the French tree, why not support the Swiss D-3802, which had way deeper modifications that the Mörkö-Morane?

Or the French MS.450 prototype?

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by PlanyKaanere

[MasterOfUltramar 1,711]

2 minutes ago, PlanyKaanere said:

Finnish planes go to the Swedish tree because Sweden assisted the Finnish military during WWII, even if they didn't take part in the conflict directly.

More due to long history between Finland and Sweden. If we went by assistance in WW2, all Finnish vehicles should go to German tree.

[PlanyKaanere 722]

Just now, FinlandSupreme said:

More due to long history between Finland and Sweden. If we went by assistance in WW2, all Finnish vehicles should go to German tree.

 

That too, and also the fact that Sweden needs more vehicles than Germany.

[MasterOfUltramar 1,711]

Just now, PlanyKaanere said:

 

That too, and also the fact that Sweden needs more vehicles than Germany.

yep

[stuka2689 314]

On 09/04/2020 at 21:16, PlanyKaanere said:

You're missing some Finnish D.XXI variants:

-D.XXI-3: The one you have on your suggestion, with a Bristol Mercury and 4x7.7 mm Vickers machine guns. Could also change the mgs in the wings for 20mm cannons.

-D.XXI-4: With a Twin Wasp Junior engine. 

-D.XXI FR-167: one D.XXI-4 modified with a retractable undercarriage.

 

There was also a preproduction Myrsky called the Myrsky I, but it only differed with the production variant in its internal structure.

 

 

Finnish planes go to the Swedish tree because Sweden assisted the Finnish military during WWII, even if they didn't take part in the conflict directly. Sweden also didn't operate as many aircraft as other nations, so adding more nordic aircraft does improve the tech tree.

And if you want a premium MS.410 in the French tree, why not support the Swiss D-3802, which had way deeper modifications that the Mörkö-Morane?

Or the French MS.450 prototype?

 

 

1 Fokker D.XXI is enough to fill the tree

As you said, There's not much difference between myrsky 1 and 2. So I just simply took myrsky 1 out. if it were a Finnish tech tree, I would have put in there to increase the number. But for Sweden? maybe too much.

(And I like that 2 Morane also.)

Edited May 26, 2022 by police2689

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

For the record, I made a thread for the Bf 109G-8 that you can use as a reference: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/383684-bf-109-g-8-shooting-your-enemies-in-more-ways-than-one/

[TerikG2014 1,389]

Folland Gnat FR.1 two unique Folland Gnat fighter recce aircraft produced for Finland. Same armament as normal F.1's but with camera equipment in the nose 

[Arne7 72]

If I recall correctly, there exists some more variants of the Hawker H75 with Finnish markings in the current game files and one Pe-2 with Finnish markings as well. Considered that the bomber line is somewhat lacking, I believe more guests would be a welcome addition to the bomber line as well.

 

Otherwise, I support this wholeheartedly.

[MasterOfUltramar 1,711]

17 minutes ago, Arne7 said:

If I recall correctly, there exists some more variants of the Hawker H75 with Finnish markings in the current game files and one Pe-2 with Finnish markings as well. Considered that the bomber line is somewhat lacking, I believe more guests would be a welcome addition to the bomber line as well.

 

Otherwise, I support this wholeheartedly.

Could add, Bristol Blenheim Mk I and IV, Pe-2, Pe-3, IL-4, DB-3M, Do-17 Z-1, Z-2 and Z-3, Ju-88 A-4 and TB-3.

+ Fokker C.X, Dornier Do 22, Fokker T.VIII and Il-28.

Long line of possible bombers.

 

Tier 1

Fokker C.X

Fokker T.VIII

TB-3

Dornier Do 22

Blenheim Mk I

Do-17 Z-1, Z-2, Z-3

Tier 2

Blenheim Mk IV

Pe-2

IL-4

DB-3M

Ju-88 A-4

Tier 3

Pe-3

Tier 5

Il-28

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by FinlandSupreme

[stuka2689 314]

On 12/04/2020 at 01:58, FinlandSupreme said:

Could add, Bristol Blenheim Mk I and IV, Pe-2, Pe-3, IL-4, DB-3M, Do-17 Z-1, Z-2 and Z-3, Ju-88 A-4 and TB-3.

+ Fokker C.X, Dornier Do 22, Fokker T.VIII and Il-28.

Long line of possible bombers.

 

Tier 1

Fokker C.X

Fokker T.VIII

TB-3

Dornier Do 22

Blenheim Mk I

Do-17 Z-1, Z-2, Z-3

Tier 2

Blenheim Mk IV

Pe-2

IL-4

DB-3M

Ju-88 A-4

Tier 3

Pe-3

Tier 5

Il-28

 

I tried not to fill with just copy/pasted aircrafts(At least some difference or same aircraft with modified version. but there's not much possible aircrafts for high tier...)

And there's no unique bomber in finnish, so I just gave up making finnish bomber line. adding some of them to swedish bomber line is more appropriate.

[blockhaj 3,560]

While i do think a Finnish aviation tree can be added they have more than enough unique planes for a line.

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1 I fully support this idea. It would also be interesting to have a Finnish Il-28.

[blockhaj 3,560]

8 hours ago, Borotovas said:

+1 I fully support this idea. It would also be interesting to have a Finnish Il-28.

The Finns did not use the Il-28 as a bomber. After WW2 Finland was forbidden from using bombers with internal bomb bays. Also Finland only operated one Il-28, the rest were Il-28R recon planes which had cameras in their bomb bays.

What they used the original Il-28 for is not really known but it was partially used as a transportation plane.

[MattCoast 72]

On 08/04/2020 at 17:25, police2689 said:

Mörkö-morane, which is based on M.S 406 french fighter, is already in game. however, ingame Mörkö-morane's engine mounting gun is 12.7mm Berezin UB.
But Berezin was a second-choice gun due to supply problem. Originally Mörkö-morane's engine mounting gun was devastating 20mm MG 151 cannon.

 

Mörkö-Morane was never intended to fit Berezin UB. That was only done to M.S.406 and 410 versions. First plans was to attach 20mm ShVAK on it but it was dropped out at the early phase of the tests of Mörkö.

There is already a topic in bug reports that armament of MSv (Mörkö-Morane) is wrong.

And a whole topic of Mörkö-Morane development history, individual plane history and some of the pilot's. If You hadn't see that before.

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by MattCoast

[MattCoast 72]

On 14/04/2020 at 15:42, blockhaj said:

What they used the original Il-28 for is not really known but it was partially used as a transportation plane.

 

What do You wan't to know Buddy?? 

 

And

https://imgur.com/ZmzcMUA

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

4 hours ago, MattCoast said:

 

What do You wan't to know Buddy?? 

 

And

https://imgur.com/ZmzcMUA

 

Well I'd like a translation to English if you don't mind.