tank/vehicle A.45/FV201 "The Knight Of The Dark Age"

[TerikG2014 1,389]

A.45 The Proper Universal Tank.

Soo lets get this clear strait of the bat this is not a Canarvon this is what came before both Canarvon and Conqueror. Now I'm going to tell you  a story it starts at the end of the second world war and the begging of a forgotten age of British tanks, this is the story of the tank that was meant to be Britains universal tank and push British armour into the modern age but govemerment fandagaling kept it in the shadows and most of the story has been lost to waste paper bins and incinerators. Lets Begin. 

 

The Year is 1945 the date is the 17th of September  the place, the Charlottenburger Chaussee leading up to the Brandenburg Gate. The war is over and the Allied Victory perade is underway and people are laughing and chearing. Then a veritable flottila of the new Soviet IS-3 heavy tank came thundering down the road and overhead the might of the Soviet airfoce roars on. It is at this moment the commands of the UK US militarys realise the war is not over, infact it is just begining and they are already behind the Soviets in the race for armoured supremacy. 

 

Now Monty had been pushing for a New 'Universal tank' Since 43 in Feburay of 45 the UK armoured command as well as Commonwelath representatives met in Rome to discuss the new plans for this 'Universal Tank' they came up with 4 proposlas, some ubsurd some conservative and some suprisng. Now after this and the perade in Berlin that pretty much scared the sock's of allied command the desicsion had been made to equipe the british armed forced with the centurion tank as a stop gap till a new tank could be developed. This new tank was given Staff number A.45 (this is just prior to the Fighting Vehicle numbers coming into affect). The A.45 had to be ready within the nect 20 years to be in time for a new major war (this was in early 1946), the desgines were forcast to be ready by 47 however. The first scketes of A.45  Show what is pretty much an uparmoured Centurion with 20 pounder gun and a Ball mounted MG on the tanks hull (this wouldn't be present on any of the ptoryopes which had it mounted in a blister ontop instead). A short while into A.45's develpoent the change took place to change the Staff numbers (A.45, A.13 and the like) for  Fighting Vehicle (FV) numbers and A.45 Became the FV200 Series, FV200 would include FV201 (the actual tank were discussing here) FV202 an AVRE with BL 6.5" gun, FV203 another AVRE desgine and FV204 Flail tank, FV205 a SPAT with 4.5" gun, FV206 medium SPA, FV207 heavy SPA, FV208 Bridge layer, FV209 ARV, FV210 and 211 Artillery tractor's and FV212 a heavy APC!  Now as this tank went through develpoment hell and several of the series were droped including the FV212 and 205. Before during this develpoement hell ended the desire to get a fully operational FV201 out for troop tiral spawned a new tank called FV221(Better known to us as Canarvon!) this tank was the same as the FV201 except that it had weaker plate on the roof and a cent Mk III turret  with NO stab (this happened in 1949) every thing then goes quite till 1953 when the trail picks up again with the FV214 (Better known as Conqueror) .  Now unfotunatly A.45/FV201 was prety much left abandoned and due to cost and the development hell it had suffered from so the Centruion carried on in its stead.

 

Place in the game 

This would be a Medium as it was by defeniton desgined as MBT/ Universal Tank(idk why Canarvon is a heavy its not a heavy its got a good UFP but the desgine is based on FV.201 which was desgine as a UT) Before the FV4202 at 6.3 (its armours good but the only complete protoype's had a 17 pounder and it would give the Charitoeer compnay.

 

A.45 Specifications (as best as we know based on the FV201 Protoype with cent Mk 2 turret)

Glacy plates UFP 127mm at 60 degrees and LFP: 76mm sloped at 44 Degrees

Roof: 32mm

Engine bay door's: 17mm

skirsts 6.5mm 

Floor: 20mm 

Blister: 70mm  (blister was prety much isolated form the tank and the.30 Browingn was controled via periscope)

Sides: 50.8

Turret: Same as centurion Mk 2/3

Engine: RR meteor  MK XI (800hp) or RR meteor Mk II (850HP)

Gearbox: Merret-Brown 7 speed

Stearing: Merret-Brown Differntial

Top Speed: 30 MPH

Horse Power Per tone: 14.6

Weight fully laden: 56.6 tones ( note both top speed BHP/t and speed come from the Drawing for the flame thrower version)

Armament: all desgines featured the 20 pounder gun however the prototype was built with a 17. 7.62 coaxial BESA, 7.62 Blister mounted Browning.

Cent Mk II/III armour layout for turret refrence

Spoiler

Sources

The Dark Age of Tanks: Britain's Lost Armour David Lister ISBN:1526755149.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/british-post-wwii-afv-series-200-conqueror-heavy-mbt-and-family.12898/.

F.V.2326 Sheet 8.

T.D.36515 Sheet 4.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar-uk-tank-medium-gun-fv221-caernarvon/amp/

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by TerikG2014

[Miki_Hoshii 2,449]

Open for discussion.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

7 minutes ago, Miki_Hoshii said:

Open for discussion.

Thanks 

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

I'd say 6.0 or thereabouts. An unstabilised 17-pdr would be hysterically useless at anything higher. heck even at 6.0 it's a BIG stretch.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

11 minutes ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

I'd say 6.0 or thereabouts. An unstabilised 17-pdr would be hysterically useless at anything higher. heck even at 6.0 it's a BIG stretch.

Yeah that's the issue with this thing it's UFP would be godly at any BR the 17 pounder is usable  but hey welcome to British prototypes.

[Jarms 1,558]

It would be nice to see the FV201 and Caernarvon Mk. I added to the game. 
 

I would suggest a BR of 6.0 for the FV201 and 6.3 for the Caernarvon Mk. I. 

[TerikG2014 1,389]

 

30 minutes ago, Jarms said:

It would be nice to see the FV201 and Caernarvon Mk. I added to the game. 
 

I would suggest a BR of 6.0 for the FV201 and 6.3 for the Caernarvon Mk. I. 

Still not sure what you mean about Carnarvon mk I the earliest versions of the Carnarvon I'm aware of have Windsor turrets (the first two Carnarvon's built) the rest all had 20 pounders. 

Edited June 3, 2020 by TerikG2014

[Milocat 4,857]

+1, unique tank and a fun addition.

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

8 hours ago, TerikG2014 said:

Yeah that's the issue with this thing it's UFP would be godly at any BR the 17 pounder is usable  but hey welcome to British prototypes.

 

Whats so wrong about the British having a tank that can actually resist a shot in a single location? Germany, Russia, and the US all get that sort of thing regularly.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

3 hours ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

 

Whats so wrong about the British having a tank that can actually resist a shot in a single location? Germany, Russia, and the US all get that sort of thing regularly.

This is very true.

[eleks12 1,079]

+1

[stuka2689 314]

Another similar but different British tank.

+1

[Whiskey_077 1,785]

6.0 could be good, if we can have Centurion mk.II at the same time. 

[Valcour 1,141]

An excellent suggestion!  +1

 

[Jarms 1,558]

On 12/06/2020 at 09:21, Whisky_077 said:

6.0 could be good, if we can have Centurion mk.II at the same time. 

This 100%. Hopefully neither are premiums as that would actually give the British a 6.0 lineup. Here’s hoping if there has to be a premium it’s the Centurion Mk. 2 with Swingfire missiles. So it’d be similar to the old Swedish Centurion premium before it was removed. Probably at 6.0 or 6.3 depending on the missiles. 

[Zombificus 793]

Good suggestion, I’d definitely like to see this tank in the game. I have to ask, though: why is there no 6.0 option in the BR question? You’ve got 5.7 as an option, and 6.3 & 6.7, but you’ve skipped right over the BR in between them. Like some other commenters, I think 6.0 is the best BR for it, so I’m going to wait until that’s an option before I vote in the poll.

[Wolf_89 2,525]

On 03/06/2020 at 03:08, TerikG2014 said:

 

Still not sure what you mean about Carnarvon mk I the earliest versions of the Carnarvon I'm aware of have Windsor turrets (the first two Carnarvon's built) the rest all had 20 pounders. 

 

Spoiler

 

The variant featured in the game is the Mark II, the experimental series with the 20-pounder whereas the Mark I was the initial prototype with a 17-pounder instead.

From WT's own Wiki page. https://wiki.warthunder.com/Caernarvon

 

Wikipedia(yes i know this is the worst place to get info)

FV 201 hull was combined with a 17 pounder-armed Centurion Mk 2 turret to give the FV 221 Caernarvon Mark I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conqueror_(tank)

 

 

One of many tanks i wish Gaijin would add to UK.

UK could always use more vehicles around 5.7-6.3 BR range.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

6 hours ago, Wolf_89 said:

The variant featured in the game is the Mark II, the experimental series with the 20-pounder whereas the Mark I was the initial prototype with a 17-pounder instead.

From WT's own Wiki page. https://wiki.warthunder.com/Caernarvon

 

Wikipedia(yes i know this is the worst place to get info)

FV 201 hull was combined with a 17 pounder-armed Centurion Mk 2 turret to give the FV 221 Caernarvon Mark I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conqueror_(tank)

 

 

One of many tanks i wish Gaijin would add to UK.

UK could always use more vehicles around 5.7-6.3 BR range.

We've been over this equite a bit in another thread, the Mk I doesn't exist full stop it's  a confusion created bt someone making a Wikipedia article and miss naming A.45 a Carnavon with a 17 pounder never existed. And there is no proof to prove it is anything more than a mistake in naming. It's an error that's been carried from Wikipedia into the war thunder wiki

 

Jarmas and I discuss it all here.

Edited August 6, 2020 by TerikG2014

[GoddePro 1,147]

58 minutes ago, TerikG2014 said:

We've been over this equite a bit in another thread, the Mk I doesn't exist full stop it's  a confusion created bt someone making a Wikipedia article and miss naming A.45 a Carnavon with a 17 pounder never existed. And there is no proof to prove it is anything more than a mistake in naming. It's an error that's been carried from Wikipedia into the war thunder wiki

could you go and change the Wikipedia page. 

I have had so much pain and struggle trying to fix the T-72 wiki page. I don't want to have to go through that again...

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

8 hours ago, GoddePro said:

could you go and change the Wikipedia page. 

I have had so much pain and struggle trying to fix the T-72 wiki page. I don't want to have to go through that again...

 

I gave up trying to maintain military wiki pages eons ago. It's all a bunch of nationalistic twats trying to make their favourite one look better and their hated ones look worse using technicalities and rules to add/remove things.

Edited August 6, 2020 by TheFuzzieOne

[GoddePro 1,147]

1 hour ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

 

I gave up trying to maintain military wiki pages eons ago. It's all a bunch of nationalistic twats trying to make their favourite one look better and their hated ones look worse using technicalities and rules to add/remove things.

fair nuff

[TerikG2014 1,389]

10 hours ago, GoddePro said:

could you go and change the Wikipedia page. 

I have had so much pain and struggle trying to fix the T-72 wiki page. I don't want to have to go through that again...

Unfortunately I've next to no expirence in editing wiki pages.

[Wolf_89 2,525]

19 hours ago, TerikG2014 said:

We've been over this equite a bit in another thread, the Mk I doesn't exist full stop it's  a confusion created bt someone making a Wikipedia article and miss naming A.45 a Carnavon with a 17 pounder never existed. And there is no proof to prove it is anything more than a mistake in naming. It's an error that's been carried from Wikipedia into the war thunder wiki

 

Jarmas and I discuss it all here.

Okay. Hope some one will fix that problem one day then.

Prob wont happen. But still

But its easy to see why people confuse the A.45/FV201 for a Carnarvon mk1. Since they do share a lot of things/design 

And looks similar  Still hope to see this in the game one day. GB could always use some more vehicles at 5.7-6.3.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Wolf_89

[Jarms 1,558]

Seeing as they've uptiered the Centurion Mk. I to 6.0 now I guess my ideal 6.0 - 7.0 British additions would be:

 

6.0:

- Centurion Mk. I with 20mm Polsten. Either foldered with the current Centurion Mk. I or made a premium.

 

6.3:

- Centurion Mk. II 

- Centurion Mk. II with Swingfire missiles. Most likely a premium tank.

- A45/FV201

 

7.0:

- Centurion with 32-Pdr. Would be nice to go in a line up with the FV4202.

[G1label 143]

+1 perfect british 6.3 heavy tank.