Arcade players left scatching thier head again??

[Roger13R@psn 1,138]

19 hours ago, *GhostSoph said:

I am AB player...and i think pure RB was a good decision...better to have some happy players...than all unhappy

 

My issue is that on PS4 GFRB is much harder...PC players can adjust visuals AND aim faster with mouse...

Worse in WWM as stakes are higher

 

Glad RB players ate happy...good for game...and hopefully we will get something for AB.

I think we had one if first WWM...Barbarrossa.

We console players don't have the ability to down load or make custom gun sights either... Along with ULQ and other annoyances. I'm happy for them as well... But they will still mock and make fun of console players and accuse us for all the server problems. Mean while its gaijin that chooses to make the game a cross platform game. I'll just have to spend 50$ for the vehicles (for the M60 any way.. Non pilots have to take the plane even tho we don't play that mode). I don't like being cannon fodder for RB players. 

  

   I'd happily play RB when both PC and console players are on equal terms!! Don't like playing games or game modes when one party can do this but the other party can't. It gives unfair advantages and is usually on sided.  

 

Edited July 3, 2020 by *Roger13R

[KB_Martinsen 582]

I am mainly wondering, why couldn't they make both an RB and a AB making all happy?

[GhostSoph@psn 2,213]

41 minutes ago, KB_Martinsen said:

I am mainly wondering, why couldn't they make both an RB and a AB making all happy?

Probably what is commented above...and AB mode requires different BALANCE and TESTING.

 

Also PROBABLE (not sure) that WWM is more tailored to RB players...

 

I would play it in AB...in fact would like to test the Modern Vehicles i dont own...even if not spaded...

But can understand Gaijin idea...

Hopefully we (AB) will get it later...OR a simplified version.

For instance...i would gladly play BATTLES ONLY, no real interest on the "strategic" situation...

[Rellik_pt 65]

arcade on wwm is just horrible and ruins the event. Good thing is RB only this time

[GhostSoph@psn 2,213]

19 minutes ago, KingOfGoblins said:

I feel like you AB players just lack the simple thought process needed to see a tank without a marker above it and the fact you do not see if you can or cannot pen, just live with it

Actually no...the though process is the easy part...

What i lack is the settings to even the odds of me spotting the enemy (i would actually prefer if PC players could not get an advantage over me) and a mouse for quicker aiming...

I often in RB would use "thought" to flank an enemy and then see one of my teammates rush and kill it...no plan, no though process...just head on charge and (much) quicker execution...

 

20 minutes ago, Rellik_pt said:

arcade on wwm is just horrible and ruins the event. Good thing is RB only this time

Err...not sure if you aware it was already 90% RB...only markers are different in tanks this time...

 

BOTH THINGS SAID...at least now RB players are happy and we can try to improve the overall WWM...starting with  server issues apparently

 

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I Swear To God Discussions Like This Drive Me Nuts, RB-Elitism With Their "AB Bad"

Like, I Play RB For A Regular Basis, I Kinda See It As The Norm, But That Doesn't Cancel Out AB In My Eyes, I Play It Sometimes, Not As Often As I Want But That Comes Down To Personal Intrest. 

It's Just Sad To See How RB Is The Norm For Nearly Anyone And They're The Most Vocal About It, And It's Quite Frustrating For AB Players As They Are Already Pushed In A Corner To Just Playing AB Without Having Special Events. 

But Then Again, How Are You Gonna Manage WWM To Be Tailored To AB Players? Have Separate Rankings?  

[ErrantAlgae 269]

4 minutes ago, *GhostSoph said:

Actually no...the though process is the easy part...

What i lack is the settings to even the odds of me spotting the enemy (i would actually prefer if PC players could not get an advantage over me) and a mouse for quicker aiming...

I often in RB would use "thought" to flank an enemy and then see one of my teammates rush and kill it...no plan, no though process...just head on charge and (much) quicker execution...

 

Err...not sure if you aware it was already 90% RB...only markers are different in tanks this time...

 

BOTH THINGS SAID...at least now RB players are happy and we can try to improve the overall WWM...starting with  server issues apparently

 

In all honesty the whole way that WWM was implemented is just bad, it creates unnecessary stress on the servers due to creating a lot of battles.
In my opinion it should be scrapped and reworked from the ground up to minimize the stress on the servers so stuff like the current technical issues do not happen again.

[GhostSoph@psn 2,213]

24 minutes ago, KingOfGoblins said:

In all honesty the whole way that WWM was implemented is just bad, it creates unnecessary stress on the servers due to creating a lot of battles.
In my opinion it should be scrapped and reworked from the ground up to minimize the stress on the servers so stuff like the current technical issues do not happen again.

Well...for one i never got why we had AAA vs Aircraft (ONLY) battles...heavy on servers and no real interest to me...

 

A lot of SPAAs firing at a lot of attacking planes...never could get the point...

[ErrantAlgae 269]

10 minutes ago, *GhostSoph said:

Well...for one i never got why we had AAA vs Aircraft (ONLY) battles...heavy on servers and no real interest to me...

 

A lot of SPAAs firing at a lot of attacking planes...never could get the point...

That was essentially the last season of WWM but with ships

[GhostSoph@psn 2,213]

46 minutes ago, KingOfGoblins said:

That was essentially the last season of WWM but with ships

Ships i can understand a little better...air attacks on fleets make some sense...

 

Air attacks on a circle filled with SPAAs looked dumb...

 

Anyhow...depends on how is implemented...

One pass attack makes some sense...repeat attacks by planes that crash into the ground (or go around and reload in 2min) are way dumber...

 

Gaijin makes a big effort to create a map and strategic situation based on real events...then makes surreal combat scenarios...

[Roger13R@psn 1,138]

It all just nonsense... I haven't even got a chance to play one WW battle in S3 because of this server crap. How the **** do they expect us to earn these stars when you can't even play the game. It's not only a AB Vs RB issue it technical issues that Gaijin servers cannot handle. They need to take a loan out and get better servers. I'm so tired pumping money into this game for crappy service. At the same time I don't want to quit it because of all the time and money spent. They have a great game when everything is working fine. We players have had enough already. Everything they do lately breaks the game and takes a month to fix. Meanwhile bugs don't get addressed and other parts of the game sit on the back burner. this is how I feel seriously!!  

[BlackFlagger 199]

10 hours ago, Panssarikolonna said:

This mode SHOULD be for ALL players no matter if he/she has 40.000 battles and all vehicles researched or just Tier I open and 100 battles.

I would say this kind of 20 day event is for the more seasoned player base, I wouldn't mind if the power difference between top vehicle and default vehicle was smaller.

 

10 hours ago, Panssarikolonna said:

Now this mode benefits ONLY clans with top players with top vehicles.

Well, no, any player with a top vehicle benefits from owning it compared with a guy stuck with the default vehicle.

[Monika_in_action 1,363]

I know it feels safe just to see the enemy on the mini map instead of searching every corner.

But, hey ,give RB a try, why not?

It's the best part of war thunder featuring the biggest player group and rewarding profit, you just can't miss it.

[efetenekeci 1,841]

13 hours ago, *GhostSoph said:

Well...for one i never got why we had AAA vs Aircraft (ONLY) battles...heavy on servers and no real interest to me...

 

A lot of SPAAs firing at a lot of attacking planes...never could get the point...

 

Aircraft can also win because nobody but some Tunguska or Flarak playing guys know how to use their radar and how to open that arcade aim point at top tier. G.91 players destroyed the whole playground (+ The F-4 guys if we could play the Chinese Farm) with their guided missiles. 

[Panssarikolonna 1,086]

10 hours ago, BlackFlagger said:

I would say this kind of 20 day event is for the more seasoned player base, I wouldn't mind if the power difference between top vehicle and default vehicle was smaller.

 

Well, no, any player with a top vehicle benefits from owning it compared with a guy stuck with the default vehicle.

Power difference between 10.7 MBT and 8.3 light vehicle is HUGE.

MBT with thermals will kill you instantly when you are spotted from the other side of the map.

Lone wolf player with top vehicle is not in same position as clan player with same vehicle. Clan has communication devices.

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by Panssarikolonna

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2 hours ago, Panssarikolonna said:

Power difference between 10.7 MBT and 8.3 light vehicle is HUGE.

MBT with thermals will kill you instantly when you are spotted from the other side of the map.

Lone wolf player with top vehicle is not in same position as clan player with same vehicle. Clan has communication devices.

Even Then, I'd Say A Whole Clan Of The Bottom Vehicles On Coms And 1 Top MBT Vs A Team Of Random Composition, The Top MBT Still Can Do More Than The People On The Coms. 

1 MiG-21 Vs G.91R/3's Is A Joke. 1 Leopard 2A5 Vs T-55A's Is A Joke.

The Communication Might Help You Survive Longer, Get A Kill You Might Have Not Gotten On Your Own, And You Might Play Objective, But Having Top Vehicles Is Still More Beneficial To The Battle Than Coms.

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On 03/07/2020 at 18:50, *GhostSoph said:

Well...for one i never got why we had AAA vs Aircraft (ONLY) battles...heavy on servers and no real interest to me...

 

A lot of SPAAs firing at a lot of attacking planes...never could get the point...

As King Here Forgets To Mention, WWM Isn't Just Battles, It's Full On Wars & Operations, To Progress On The Map, Commanders Usually Want Some Groups Of Infantry, Tanks Or Artillery Gone, And Fly Out A Full Squadron Of Bombers / Attackers On Said Target. If This Goes Well, There Can Be A Breakthrough And This Is Needed To Progress As The Attacker Or Pressure The Attacker As Defender.

What Gaijin Negates Is The Link Between Regular Players & War Progress, Everyone Is Just Queuing For Battle Scenario's Without Idea How The War Is Goin' & How The Map Looks, Battles Look Useless & Random Unit Composition For A Regular Player While On The Other Hand All Context Lays In Map Command.
 

On 03/07/2020 at 19:49, *GhostSoph said:

Ships i can understand a little better...air attacks on fleets make some sense...

 

Air attacks on a circle filled with SPAAs looked dumb...

Well, For Balancing Reasons There's More SPAA Than Targets, Because You Wouldn't Want To Attack 40 Tanks If There's 30 SPAA Already. So They Made The AI Vehicle Amount Be Less In Ratio With The Total Possible SPAA Players.

 

The Only Scenario Where There's More Tanks Than SPAA Players Is Most Likely Convoy Missions:

 

Edited July 5, 2020 by ShimakazeChan

[grahaldmills@psn 32]

On 05/07/2020 at 11:26, ShimakazeChan said:

As King Here Forgets To Mention, WWM Isn't Just Battles, It's Full On Wars & Operations, To Progress On The Map, Commanders Usually Want Some Groups Of Infantry, Tanks Or Artillery Gone, And Fly Out A Full Squadron Of Bombers / Attackers On Said Target. If This Goes Well, There Can Be A Breakthrough And This Is Needed To Progress As The Attacker Or Pressure The Attacker As Defender.

What Gaijin Negates Is The Link Between Regular Players & War Progress, Everyone Is Just Queuing For Battle Scenario's Without Idea How The War Is Goin' & How The Map Looks, Battles Look Useless & Random Unit Composition For A Regular Player While On The Other Hand All Context Lays In Map Command.
 

Well, For Balancing Reasons There's More SPAA Than Targets, Because You Wouldn't Want To Attack 40 Tanks If There's 30 SPAA Already. So They Made The AI Vehicle Amount Be Less In Ratio With The Total Possible SPAA Players.

 

The Only Scenario Where There's More Tanks Than SPAA Players Is Most Likely Convoy Missions:

 

Could you stop capitalising every first letter in your sentences?

[Panssarikolonna 1,086]

5 hours ago, *grahaldmills said:

Could you stop capitalising every first letter in your sentences?

Umh, you mean every word not sentence.

[Tanki_McTankface@psn 57]

Wow how serious do you lot take this?? Let me tell you all a little secret “It’s just a game!”  A game that you should enjoy whatever mode you play AB/RB/SB. It is disappointing that Guijin made an event that was tailored for RB clan player’s only and if you are a lone wolf it was nigh on impossible to collect the vehicles on offer. The only saving grace is that both the vehicles are a bag of s&!t that you wouldn’t play anyway. But this is the future of this event so if you AB (like me) and SB players want to join in on the next one we have a year to start practicing. 

[Panssarikolonna 1,086]

6 hours ago, *wrigs99 said:

But this is the future of this event so if you AB (like me) and SB players want to join in on the next one we have a year to start practicing. 

I can say this as WW tester that I'm not going to take part of next season.

This mode should be for everyone not just TOP CLAN RB players.

 

This time I just try to get tasks done and stop when the camo for the tank is done, then I'm out.

[Hardmoor 2,196]

On 03/07/2020 at 13:57, Panssarikolonna said:

This mode SHOULD be for ALL players no matter if he/she has 40.000 battles and all vehicles researched or just Tier I open and 100 battles.

Now this mode benefits ONLY clans with top players with top vehicles.

i wonder when this strange opinion WWM is for everyone appeared

[Josephs_Piano 7,044]

4 hours ago, Panssarikolonna said:

I can say this as WW tester that I'm not going to take part of next season.

This mode should be for everyone not just TOP CLAN RB players.

 

This time I just try to get tasks done and stop when the camo for the tank is done, then I'm out.

 

This mode is specifically designed for clans - get over it!

 

And as a not particularly top clan RB player I enjoy it too.

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10 hours ago, Josephs_Piano said:

This mode is specifically designed for clans - get over it!

 

And as a not particularly top clan RB player I enjoy it too.

As A Map Commander & A Squadron Leader That's Currently In Top 20, Top Squads With Filled Up To The Brim Are Both Not Fun To Face, And Will Always Be On Top Of The Board No Matter How Hard You Try.

[Josephs_Piano 7,044]

1 hour ago, ShimakazeChan said:

As A Map Commander & A Squadron Leader That's Currently In Top 20, Top Squads With Filled Up To The Brim Are Both Not Fun To Face, And Will Always Be On Top Of The Board No Matter How Hard You Try.

 

Yep - when I face them my objective is just to do as well as possible - usually by avoiding the games where they have equal numbers of better - no reason to play them unless hte gmae gives me a significant advantage in numbers