I lost an Air RB game to a Bomber

[xXrandomryzeXx 10]

So I decided today, that I would like to play and grind for vehicles. So I enter the first battle, climb and I see a few bombers and I guess that It's nothing to worry about. Boy was I wrong. My team destroyed everyone from the enemy team and me and my squad-mate killed 2 bombers that were close to their airfield so we died of-course. But there was one guy left nowhere to be seen. Yep...It was a bomber. We were at half out tickets and the enemy close to none so we really tough we were going to win, but the last guy was bombing and bombing, and eventually we ran out of so many tickets that the AI Tanks were able to finish the game and we lost just buy a tiny bit. It didn't matter that we killed most planes, that our team had a better strategy, luck and organization. No. The person who said who was going to win was a guy that could fly in a straight line and press spacebar. My WHOLE TEAM was angry about this, we even asked in the chat "GAIJIN WTF". Yeah good job that was really fun until that guy managed to win the game just by using a bomber and pressing spacebar he managed to turn the tides and win the game for his lovely team. I LOVE THIS GAME AND HOW EQUAL IT IS TO EVERYONE. Okay jokes aside this is really broken.  

Session number is: 1bee3a900022160

Best regards to everyone who struggles with this problem too

-Me

[Target1331 3,055]

Look an entitled fighter-only guy that is ranting that the game has presented him with a battle showing that bombers are not generally useless. News flash, bombers are a part of the game and allowed to decide matches as well. This is not a team deathmatch game even though 80%-90% are. You really are ranting about a 10%-20% chance of a bomber finally having a say in the battle outcome? Seriously, if bomber players would rant as much as the entitled fighter-only group for every battle lost because of fighters killing everyone, the forum would be 100x the size with rant post.

 

Best regards,

Phil (neither a fighter nor bomber nor attacker only guy, but equal flyer of all types)

 

[xXrandomryzeXx 10]

19 minutes ago, Target1331 said:

Look an entitled fighter-only guy that is ranting that the game has presented him with a battle showing that bombers are not generally useless. News flash, bombers are a part of the game and allowed to decide matches as well. This is not a team deathmatch game even though 80%-90% are. You really are ranting about a 10%-20% chance of a bomber finally having a say in the battle outcome? Seriously, if bomber players would rant as much as the entitled fighter-only group for every battle lost because of fighters killing everyone, the forum would be 100x the size with rant post.

 

Best regards,

Phil (neither a fighter nor bomber nor attacker only guy, but equal flyer of all types)

 

Im not sure what is so entitled about this but Im not against bombers, Im against that one player being able to win a whole game without any tactics. Bombers can climb higher that some planes and if The bomber has enough bombs It can climb so high that nobody can catch him. And also this isn't only me complaining about this. Also are you dumb or something? why would bomber pilots complain about that? Everyone. EVERYONE can get killed by a bomber or by a fighter ground attacker interceptor and even by a tank and here you are giving me an example how a bomber pilot can complain about getting killed? Everyone dies that's a fact. But there is a problem with bombers in Air RB. They climb, run away and press spacebar. No tactics, no skill nothing. They just stay on their guns until they reach a target and just press spacebar. I imagine the game would be more fun for everyone if bombers in Air RB had to stay together, bomb targets together but not being able to win a game if they are the only one bombing.  I see no difference in bombing in Air AB and Air RB. Its the same. Players don't have to adjust their sight, account for wind and such. I guess that won't make the game as arcady as it is and maybe people like it that way.

[Sarin 2,329]

Hold on, you're saying one bomber managed to take out half of your tickets with one bombload from high altitude? That does not sound right...

[xXrandomryzeXx 10]

Just now, Sarin said:

Hold on, you're saying one bomber managed to take out half of your tickets with one bombload from high altitude? That does not sound right...

More or Less than half. Yeah he bombed a few bases and took them out, I guess they were damaged or not, I have to check the replay for perfectly accurate info, but we had more tickets than the enemy, destroyed a base or two, bombed the airfield, didn't take it out but we were at so little tickets that the AI ground units managed to finish us off. We didn't have ground attackers close to the targets so we weren't able to destroy the last ground units. We all ran out of ammo, died because of damage or had no fuel. and we had 2 or 3 fighters trying to chase the bomber but it was too high.

 

[sigma__zero@psn 4,650]

12 minutes ago, xXrandomryzeXx said:

the bomber has enough bombs It can climb so high that nobody can catch him

 

Do you have any idea of how long it takes for a bomber to climb to an altitude where it's difficult for fighters to intercept it? Fighters always have the advantage of speed and climb rate. You and your team ignored the bomber, he took the opportunity to bomb bases and win the match.

 

19 minutes ago, xXrandomryzeXx said:

I imagine the game would be more fun for everyone if bombers in Air RB had to stay together, bomb targets together but not being able to win a game if they are the only one bombing.  I see no difference in bombing in Air AB and Air RB. Its the same. Players don't have to adjust their sight, account for wind and such.

 

That's completely on Gaijin, not on the bomber players.

[fastnic 103]

Are you just discovering Battle for the rhine ? It has always been a ticket map.

They killed all bases and a pillbox while your team only got all bases. They had more or less a 100 tickets gap. That enough to win.

[xXrandomryzeXx 10]

1 minute ago, *sigma__zero said:

 

Do you have any idea of how long it takes for a bomber to climb to an altitude where it's difficult for fighters to intercept it? Fighters always have the advantage of speed and climb rate. You and your team ignored the bomber, he took the opportunity to bomb bases and win the match.

 

 

That's completely on Gaijin, not on the bomber players.

well, yeah we do have the advantage of climb rate, and I and a few other planes were high but we didn't see any bombers left so we tough that were all and we went down since there weren't fighters left high. But the bombers can turn back away from the battle to climb, turn around and continue climbing because when people see there is nobody left flying high they just go down in the action to finish the game. and when everyone has went down the bomber is at 6km height or even more and the fighters are at lets say 1km or 2km until they climb to the bomber's height it would have dropped bombs and would continue climbing until it reaches the max it could climb. and the game starts floating like that until someone destroys the ground units or they finish the game. I've had games where we would be chasing a bomber for 10 to 20 minutes and then the bomber would either decent or dive and we would kill it or someone would attack the ground units if they are not heavy or medium tanks. I also can't see why would anyone ignore a lonely bomber with no fighter escort. Seems like a really easy kill to me.

[willcliff 116]

I bet that everyone defending the bomber has never spent 20 minutes chasing a bomber that climbed to 9 km

[SasquatchFox360 1,006]

10 hours ago, Target1331 said:

Look an entitled fighter-only guy that is ranting that the game has presented him with a battle showing that bombers are not generally useless. News flash, bombers are a part of the game and allowed to decide matches as well. This is not a team deathmatch game even though 80%-90% are. You really are ranting about a 10%-20% chance of a bomber finally having a say in the battle outcome? Seriously, if bomber players would rant as much as the entitled fighter-only group for every battle lost because of fighters killing everyone, the forum would be 100x the size with rant post.

 

Best regards,

Phil (neither a fighter nor bomber nor attacker only guy, but equal flyer of all types)

 

Only some bombers are capable of finishing a match and they always tend to be spammed which begs the argument are they Ballanced 

 

Best regards,

Sasquatch(all-rounder love everything despise the BS)

[Maj_Fox@psn 521]

Was this an Arcade battle?

 

If not moved to the wrong place.

[anyuser 5,136]

@Stona

I'm not sure if this is truely the propper section for this thread  

 

This is the AB-section and OP is - well - ranting - about RB.

Edited July 5, 2020 by anyuser

[DarthGuppy 99]

Does not compute.

 

Either this was an RB match, in which case the bomber did not get in-flight reloads so could never continue bombing without landing, or it was an AB match, in which case it would have been obvious where the bomber was and the fighters would have had no problem climbing for it.

 

Assuming this is about AB, it reminds me of one of my most memorable matches, in which the entire team was killed but I could still spawn some bombers (Ki-49s). By baiting the interceptors into stalling I managed to survive long enough while bombing bunkers from altitude to steal a win. I may have been the one with the most altitude but I was the underdog in that fight against multiple fighters. It was awesome.

Edited July 6, 2020 by DarthGuppy

[Kosher_Locust 120]

In the higher BR a B-29 taking altitude right from the start can pretty much win a match in AB, and in RB can still make a hefty dent, more if it can go back and reload.  However over and over it's B-17/He-177/Stirling being used like a fighter bomber at best or *GASP* a dive bomber.  Properly flown, as it in not taking on fighters head to head, a bomber can be formidable, just too many players opt to try low and fast.

[bigredsnake@psn 76]

On 04/07/2020 at 04:01, xXrandomryzeXx said:

More or Less than half. Yeah he bombed a few bases and took them out, I guess they were damaged or not, I have to check the replay for perfectly accurate info, but we had more tickets than the enemy, destroyed a base or two, bombed the airfield, didn't take it out but we were at so little tickets that the AI ground units managed to finish us off. We didn't have ground attackers close to the targets so we weren't able to destroy the last ground units. We all ran out of ammo, died because of damage or had no fuel. and we had 2 or 3 fighters trying to chase the bomber but it was too high.

 

 

 

NO you already ruined bombers enough!!!!!!!

 

Ace'd out crew doesn't do anything I don't care if its a B-17 or one of the japan Bombers lined with 20mm.  AND WHAT TACTICS! You move your mouse around a little wiggle here and there, and pat yourself on the back like you're some Richard Bong? Big deal half the time you're in something that turns on a dime and has cannons anyways so how hard is that anyways? . Unless you're in something that is pure BnZ then you're just in a easy mode plane. At least your tail doesn't fall off when the shooting starts.  Tactics...what are you and your boys flying a finger four up there? Here's RB tactics....go climb to kill the bombers, one person go low for the attacker.  Then whoever is left mops up whoever is left.  Such strategy! But what if i can't find him? I dunno why not use Blind Hunt like every RB team does? Repeat for every match ever

 

Fighters are defensive...they're job is to kill each other and bombers.  Bombers are offensive...they are to go fly over and attack the ground.  Air power is about attacking the ground ultimately because the bad guys don't have their weapons facilities or military bases floating tin the sky! Oh and I know modern jets are multirole and can bomb now but WW2 the purpose built bomber was still more a thing than now. 

 

I don't get you guys wanting this realistic game, playing a more realistic mode, then crying because realism happened in your mode.  Imagine if the bombers actually started at their usual operational height? You might spend 5 mins going up to kill them with one burst instead of 2!  You already get the unrealism of having accurate guns at +800 m!  I wish they'd start accounting for air resistance at height so you actually had to get up close like real WW2 pilots. 

 

What is the point of having attackers and bombers in the game if they just exist to give fighters easy kills?  Honestly I think you should get points for just spawning in as a bomber or attacker because you're more likely going to die than ever get that payload off anywhere near the target. Especially past BR 5.  Heck the B-17 and B-24 still haven't been lowered and they haven't been useful since 2014! 

 

On 06/07/2020 at 18:05, sfpeter68 said:

In the higher BR a B-29 taking altitude right from the start can pretty much win a match in AB, and in RB can still make a hefty dent, more if it can go back and reload.  However over and over it's B-17/He-177/Stirling being used like a fighter bomber at best or *GASP* a dive bomber.  Properly flown, as it in not taking on fighters head to head, a bomber can be formidable, just too many players opt to try low and fast.

 

Demonstrate it consistently and we'll talk. Side climb all you like in either mode you have a big name tag that pops over your head and people will use Blind Hunt to come find you.  And remember a B-17 can't drop in this game past 30000 ft. The diving thing isn't from lack of patience it's about trying to make points before you die.

 

Even back in '13-14 when bombers made points you dove because you were still the easiest kill on the map. 

 

 

 

OVERALL NO, YOUR LOSS WAS A FLUKE AND NOT WORTHY OF A POST! Bombers and attackers are useless right now, a waste of time and money, are only kinda useful in ground and fleet (unless you got a fighter bomber). I want my realism back and I want fighters to worry about fighting! I want my ace crew to do what I pay for! I want to actually see multiple fighters drag a bomber down rather than pretending a crew of guys who have been trained for months at gunnery somehow forgot how to shoot one fighter.  The US is known for the 8th air force but all the bombers over here are useless and in at a BR that gets them killed fast.  Russia's most built plane was the IL2 but barring ground it's a flying coffin in this game.  All so a non paying, never happy, fighter community can fly in a circle and call it tactical. Seriously they need to see who is actually paying and who isn't and take that into account before they consider posts like this. 

[Razielkaine 4,876]

On 04/07/2020 at 17:18, xXrandomryzeXx said:

So I decided today, that I would like to play and grind for vehicles. So I enter the first battle, climb and I see a few bombers and I guess that It's nothing to worry about. Boy was I wrong. My team destroyed everyone from the enemy team and me and my squad-mate killed 2 bombers that were close to their airfield so we died of-course. But there was one guy left nowhere to be seen. Yep...It was a bomber. We were at half out tickets and the enemy close to none so we really tough we were going to win, but the last guy was bombing and bombing, and eventually we ran out of so many tickets that the AI Tanks were able to finish the game and we lost just buy a tiny bit. It didn't matter that we killed most planes, that our team had a better strategy, luck and organization. No. The person who said who was going to win was a guy that could fly in a straight line and press spacebar. My WHOLE TEAM was angry about this, we even asked in the chat "GAIJIN WTF". Yeah good job that was really fun until that guy managed to win the game just by using a bomber and pressing spacebar he managed to turn the tides and win the game for his lovely team. I LOVE THIS GAME AND HOW EQUAL IT IS TO EVERYONE. Okay jokes aside this is really broken.  

Session number is: 1bee3a900022160

Best regards to everyone who struggles with this problem too

-Me

You lost because your team didn't have the better strategy or play the game objectives.  Ever air rb mission objectives are to destroy enemy airfield primarily by destroying the bases first. Secondary objective is to destroy the ground targets which varies for each map.  Destroying all planes is not actually the mission objectives but people ignore this constantly and say bombers and ground attack are ruining the battles, when they are often the only ones actually doing the mission objectives.

 

 

[anyuser 5,136]

1 hour ago, Razielkaine said:

Destroying all planes is not actually the mission objectives

It is.

In fact there are 3 mission objectives and each of those is treated equally, because it can win the battle on its own

 

If anihilating the enemy team wouldn't end the game, you could say this. But this is not true.

[Razielkaine 4,876]

37 minutes ago, anyuser said:

It is.

In fact there are 3 mission objectives and each of those is treated equally, because it can win the battle on its own

 

If anihilating the enemy team wouldn't end the game, you could say this. But this is not true.

 

[Hardmoor 2,196]

[anyuser 5,136]

56 minutes ago, Razielkaine said:

 

Does killing all enemy planes win the mission or does it not?
If you can win a mission by fullfilling a certain task...

 

Does this say "kill all enemy groundunits"?

[Razielkaine 4,876]

3 hours ago, anyuser said:

Does killing all enemy planes win the mission or does it not?
If you can win a mission by fullfilling a certain task...

 

Does this say "kill all enemy groundunits"?

yes thats what destroy all bomb targets means

[anyuser 5,136]

Sorry, but that stands for bases...

And Gaijin might have removed the "mission objective" kill em all, but they didn't reworked the mechanik. It is the same since 2013.

[Razielkaine 4,876]

6 minutes ago, anyuser said:

Sorry, but that stands for bases...

And Gaijin might have removed the "mission objective" kill em all, but they didn't reworked the mechanik. It is the same since 2013.

no it means the pillboxes and aa etc on the map. you know those red targets in the bottom left of the screen

[anyuser 5,136]

Those are the opposing forces in your picture and the bomb targets (Zones and airfield) got an own point.

But if you want to go this way, I would say opposing forces does include the enemy airplanes.

 

So you got the choice.

Either your picture does include "kill the enemy team" as a target or my does not include "kill groundtargets".

 

Anyway, how much playing with words you want to do here. 

As long as a ticket bleed, stronger then the ticket bleed for killing the enemy airfield, starts when the enemy lost all players, it is a normal mission target.

Because Gaijin build in an extra mechanic to end the game when one team has been anihilated.

The moment they remove this (something I would like to see for all air modes, because we are in a supporting role of a ground battle), we can talk again.

Until then it is one of 3 valid mission objectives to win the battle.

[PacketlossRedux 595]

On 04/07/2020 at 09:48, xXrandomryzeXx said:

So I decided today, that I would like to play and grind for vehicles. So I enter the first battle, climb and I see a few bombers and I guess that It's nothing to worry about. Boy was I wrong. My team destroyed everyone from the enemy team and me and my squad-mate killed 2 bombers that were close to their airfield so we died of-course. But there was one guy left nowhere to be seen. Yep...It was a bomber. We were at half out tickets and the enemy close to none so we really tough we were going to win, but the last guy was bombing and bombing, and eventually we ran out of so many tickets that the AI Tanks were able to finish the game and we lost just buy a tiny bit. It didn't matter that we killed most planes, that our team had a better strategy, luck and organization. No. The person who said who was going to win was a guy that could fly in a straight line and press spacebar. My WHOLE TEAM was angry about this, we even asked in the chat "GAIJIN WTF". Yeah good job that was really fun until that guy managed to win the game just by using a bomber and pressing spacebar he managed to turn the tides and win the game for his lovely team. I LOVE THIS GAME AND HOW EQUAL IT IS TO EVERYONE. Okay jokes aside this is really broken.  

Session number is: 1bee3a900022160

Best regards to everyone who struggles with this problem too

-Me

 

I invite you to grind out the H6K on the japanese bomber tree and taste the gameplay you are complaining about.

 

Defensive guns dont work

Its painstaking to actually win a battle in a bomber when the enemy team is already at your airfield when u come back from the first bombing run, or when at 4.~ br you aint even at the bombing points but Spitfires and other fighters are at 5-6000 meters already exploding your defenseless flying shitbarn

7.7 cant down a CW even with 11 hits

Kiss my you know what