According to War Thunder on VK, 85% of people didn't participate in War Thunder enough to even get the IL-2

[Smin1080p_WT 60,444]

20 hours ago, Conte_Baracca said:

World War Mode is a waste of resources.  Please quit wasting time on it and focus on fixing Naval or Helo EC instead.

 

World War Mode does not really have any impact on the development of Naval or Helicopter EC. They are seperate modes entirely, with entirely different target audiences and purposes.

 

WWM is tailored around squadron / competitive level gameplay and is based on an evolution of Squadron Battles and thus targets those players the most and primarily. This is not what Naval EC and Helicopter EC do at all as they are an entirely different part of the game and serve entirely different purposes. 

 

You are perfectly entitled to your own personal opinion on the matter and that will be totally respected. However your opinion does not reflect the entire communities opinion just as this poll also does not as it is mostly centered around the vehicles themselves (as they can also be a big factor in peoples interest) as well as the fact there was also plenty of positive feedback on both this season and the previous seasons of WWM from those that played and enjoyed it. Whilst we do try to make the mode as accessible as possible so everyone can take part, the mode itself was still designed from the ground up around squadron battle and competitive level gameplay and it fulfils this purpose well. 

 

This mode has a role in game that indeed is not for everyone. But that does not mean it just gets canceled because you yourself do not personally like it or care about the vehicles. Its about the larger picture as a whole. We take into account all of the feedback from everyone across the game who experienced the mode and have and will continue to make changes to improve things based on that. 

[angelomorte 1,369]

3 minutes ago, Smin1080p said:

 

World War Mode does not really have any impact on the development of Naval or Helicopter EC. They are seperate modes entirely, with entirely different target audiences and purposes.

 

WWM is tailored around squadron / competitive level gameplay and is based on an evolution of Squadron Battles and thus targets those players the most and primarily. This is not what Naval EC and Helicopter EC do at all as they are an entirely different part of the game and serve entirely different purposes. 

 

You are perfectly entirely to your own personal opinion on the matter and that will be totally respected. However your opinion does not reflect the entire communities opinion just as this poll also does not as it is mostly centered around the vehicles themselves (as they can also be a big factor in peoples interest) as well as the fact there was also plenty of positive feedback on both this season and the previous seasons of WWM from those that played and enjoyed it. Whilst we do try to make the mode as accessible as possible so everyone can take part, the mode itself was still designed from the ground up around squadron battle and competitive level gameplay and it fulfils this purpose well. 

 

This mode has a role in game that indeed is not for everyone. But that does not mean it just gets canceled because you yourself do not personally like it or care about the vehicles. Its about the larger picture as a whole. 

except we've been told no naval ec due to a bug that gaijin doesn't have the reasources to fix while wwm was going........

 

[Smin1080p_WT 60,444]

3 minutes ago, angelomorte said:

except we've been told no naval ec due to a bug that gaijin doesn't have the reasources to fix while wwm was going........

 

 

Nowhere has this been said.

 

What was said in the past is that we try not to run multiple events at once as not to overload things. Naval EC has its own issues that have and will continue to be worked on but WWM did not detract anything from fixing that. WWM was prioritised when it was already running and there were major issues with it. However that was exceptional circumstance and it was an already ongoing event. The developers have indeed been busy with numerous things and as is very evident from the recent changelogs, there have been a plethora of fixes over the previous weeks since the last major. 

[angelomorte 1,369]

Hi there

 

Unfortunately Naval EC still has several key technical issues that are being worked on that are now preventing it from returning. I was hoped it would be ready 2 weeks ago but the issues have yet to be fully resolved. So as such, we cant run it at the moment.

 

I could and can run independently of WWM regardless of weather its on or not, but its the technical issues preventing it for the time being. That now ontop of the current ongoing WWM season (which as you can imagine, after the last few days now has all hands on deck) means it wont be this week or most likely the next unfortunately.

 

Smin 

Edited July 27, 2020 by angelomorte

[Conte_Baracca 4,547]

1 minute ago, angelomorte said:

Hi there

 

Unfortunately Naval EC still has several key technical issues that are being worked on that are now preventing it from returning. I was hoped it would be ready 2 weeks ago but the issues have yet to be fully resolved. So as such, we cant run it at the moment.

 

I could and can run independently of WWM regardless of weather its on or not, but its the technical issues preventing it for the time being. That now ontop of the current ongoing WWM season (which as you can imagine, after the last few days now has all hands on deck) means it wont be this week or most likely the next unfortunately.

 

Smin 

Just lol.  Thanks @angelomorte.  Hey @Smin1080p. So which is it.  WWM had an impact or no impact?

BTW if it's aimed at only a certain audience, why the vehicle rewards?

[Smin1080p_WT 60,444]

3 minutes ago, angelomorte said:

Hi there

 

Unfortunately Naval EC still has several key technical issues that are being worked on that are now preventing it from returning. I was hoped it would be ready 2 weeks ago but the issues have yet to be fully resolved. So as such, we cant run it at the moment.

 

I could and can run independently of WWM regardless of weather its on or not, but its the technical issues preventing it for the time being. That now ontop of the current ongoing WWM season (which as you can imagine, after the last few days now has all hands on deck) means it wont be this week or most likely the next unfortunately.

 

Smin 

 

 

1 minute ago, Conte_Baracca said:

Just lol.  Thanks @angelomorte.  Hey @Smin1080p. So which is it.  WWM had an impact or no impact?

 

VVVVVVVVVV

 

5 minutes ago, Smin1080p said:

 

WWM was prioritised when it was already running and there were major issues with it. However that was exceptional circumstance and it was an already ongoing event. 

 

Any event that is already running that has severe technical issues is obviously going to take priority over everything else. That does not mean development of the mode takes over them too. Two entirely separate things guys. 

[Conte_Baracca 4,547]

I love how a poll hosted by Gaijin doesn't count either.  

[angelomorte 1,369]

"except we've been told no naval ec due to a bug that gaijin doesn't have the reasources to fix while wwm was going"........

Edited July 27, 2020 by angelomorte

[Conte_Baracca 4,547]

Just now, Smin1080p said:

 

 

VVVVVVVVVV

 

 

Any event that is already running that has severe technical issues is obviously going to take priority over everything else. That does not mean development of the mode takes over them too. Two entirely separate things guys. 

WWM delayed Naval EC, but Gaijin didn't MEAN for the mode to delay naval.  So it doesn't count.  Got it.  

[angelomorte 1,369]

lol tho will admit the naval ec should just be permanent in sim air ec maps XD would be easier me thinks than these buggy events

Edited July 27, 2020 by angelomorte

[Smin1080p_WT 60,444]

3 minutes ago, Conte_Baracca said:

WWM delayed Naval EC, but Gaijin didn't MEAN for the mode to delay naval.  So it doesn't count.  Got it.  

 

Nope. 

 

WWM had a severe technical issue that needed more developer attention. During this time Naval EC was still worked on too, but WWM was the priority. WWM ended and Naval EC is still being worked on. Its issues are independent and trying to use WWM as the cause and blame for the gap and delay is not accurate. WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues and thats entirely logical to do as any game would as its an ongoing live event. 

[Conte_Baracca 4,547]

1 minute ago, Smin1080p said:

 

Nope. 

 

WWM had a severe technical issue that needed more developer attention. During this time Naval EC was still worked on too, but WWM was the priority. WWM ended and Naval EC is still being worked on. Its issues are independent and trying to use WWM as the cause and blame for the gap and delay is not accurate. WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues and thats entirely logical to do as any game would as its an ongoing live event. 

Sure sure.

 

At any rate, it's clear Gaijin has tied the identity of War Thunder, in part, to WWM.  Would be fascinating to see behind the curtain on why.  I just wish they didn't tie vehicle rewards to it.  Unlike the SUMMMER event or the engineering events, you don't get to play the game how you want.  You are forced into a terrible game mode.  It's like the horror that was WW2 chronicles.  Something they have wisely never brought back.

[angelomorte 1,369]

8 minutes ago, Smin1080p said:

 

Nope. 

 

WWM had a severe technical issue that needed more developer attention. During this time Naval EC was still worked on too, but WWM was the priority. WWM ended and Naval EC is still being worked on. Its issues are independent and trying to use WWM as the cause and blame for the gap and delay is not accurate. WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues and thats entirely logical to do as any game would as its an ongoing live event. 

I think this is a misunderstanding XD if wwm didn't have priority then more dev work would go to naval ec no? thus problems would be solved faster no? We understand that while wwm was ongoing it should have had priority. But the priority of wwm meant that inevitably naval ec  would have had less attention by your own admission "WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues ". that priority was the gist of my original comment. wwm being in existence means that for that time when it had bugs and was ongoing that  it had priority and thus drew work from other things to fix while it was on going "WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues ". I get that gaijin has to prioritize but it irks when the unique experience that is naval ec is low man on the totem pole is all XD.

Edited July 27, 2020 by angelomorte

[Conte_Baracca 4,547]

4 minutes ago, angelomorte said:

I think this is a misunderstanding XD if wwm didn't have priority then more dev work would go to naval ec no? thus problems would be solved faster no? We understand that while wwm was ongoing it should have had priority. But the priority of wwm meant that inevitably naval ec  would have had less attention by your own admission "WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues ". that priority was the gist of my original comment. wwm being in existence means that for that time when it had bugs and was ongoing that  it had priority and thus drew work from other things to fix while it was on going "WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues ". I get that gaijin has to prioritize but it irks when the unique experience that is naval ec is low man on the totem pole is all XD.

Smin has to toe the party line.  We've made our point.  Just got to let it go now.  And get back to hoping for Naval EC  ( a functioning one) soon.

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12 minutes ago, angelomorte said:

I think this is a misunderstanding XD if wwm didn't have priority then more dev work would go to naval ec no? thus problems would be solved faster no? We understand that while wwm was ongoing it should have had priority. But the priority of wwm meant that inevitably would have had less attention by your own admission "WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues ". that priority was the gist of my original comment. wwm being in existence means that for that time when it had bugs and was ongoing that  it had priority and thus drew work from other things to fix while it was on going "WWM took priority above everything during the time when we had technical issues ". I get that gaijin has to prioritize but it irks when the unique experience that is naval ec is low man on the totem pole is all XD.

The misunderstanding is that from the OP, claims are being made that WWM should be cut entirely to invest in Heli and Naval EC, when this is not how it works. Their development is unaffected by WWM. A unforeseen technical issue for an ongoing event would be the same for any mode. You are concerned because you believe WWM is impacting the development of Naval EC on a regular basis when this is not the case. This was a major irregular issue that occurred. Not standard development. 

 

WWM is a separate part of the game not related in terms of development to those modes as they are separate modes, separate audiences and separate purposes. 

 

WWM had priority during its technical issues whilst it was already ongoing, just like if there was an ongoing session of Naval EC that had issues, it would also get priority over everything if it was an ongoing event. 

 

[angelomorte 1,369]

1 minute ago, Smin1080p said:

The misunderstanding is that from the OP, claims are being made that WWM should be cut entirely to invest in Heli and Naval EC, when this is not how it works. Their development is unaffected by WWM. A unforeseen technical issue for an ongoing event would be the same for any mode. You are concerned because you believe WWM is impacting the development of Naval EC on a regular basis when this is not the case. This was a major irregular issue that occurred. Not standard development. 

WWM is a separate part of the game not related in terms of development to those modes as they are separate modes, separate audiences and separate purposes. 

 

WWM had priority during its technical issues whilst it was already ongoing, just like if there was an ongoing session of Naval EC that had issues, it would also get priority over everything if it was an ongoing event. 

 

ik ik man XD but like  I guess you didn't read my orginal comment when you said no one said that.  my comment was  "except we've been told no naval ec due to a bug that gaijin doesn't have the resources to fix while wwm was going........" that's the misunderstanding I meant but glad to know that shouldn't happen again. as always man thanks for you time and communication. Much rather communicate than silence.

[Conte_Baracca 4,547]

4 minutes ago, Smin1080p said:

The misunderstanding is that from the OP, claims are being made that WWM should be cut entirely to invest in Heli and Naval EC, when this is not how it works. Their development is unaffected by WWM. A unforeseen technical issue for an ongoing event would be the same for any mode. You are concerned because you believe WWM is impacting the development of Naval EC on a regular basis when this is not the case. This was a major irregular issue that occurred. Not standard development. 

WWM is a separate part of the game not related in terms of development to those modes as they are separate modes, separate audiences and separate purposes. 

 

WWM had priority during its technical issues whilst it was already ongoing, just like if there was an ongoing session of Naval EC that had issues, it would also get priority over everything if it was an ongoing event. 

 

Except that last two Naval ECs were completely broken and STILL not fixed.  Now.  Let alone during them.  Sooooo

 

I understand that Gaijin has put more time and money in WWM than Naval EC.  I even understand why.  I just don't agree with it.

[Smin1080p_WT 60,444]

Just now, angelomorte said:

ik ik man XD but like  I guess you didn't read my orginal comment when you said no one said that.  my comment was  "except we've been told no naval ec due to a bug that gaijin doesn't have the resources to fix while wwm was going........" that's the misunderstanding I meant but glad to know that shouldn't happen again. 

 

I read your comment in full and clarified that in as much detail as I could 

 

1 minute ago, angelomorte said:

 as always man thanks for you time and communication. Much rather communicate than silence.

 

You are welcome. Its our job to do so and im grateful that its appreciated.

[Conte_Baracca 4,547]

BTW weren't there current server issues for the Russian Navy event?  Where was the all hands on deck for that?  Why are the naval servers STILL broken?

@Smin1080p

Edited July 27, 2020 by Conte_Baracca

[Smin1080p_WT 60,444]

19 minutes ago, Conte_Baracca said:

Except that last two Naval ECs were completely broken and STILL not fixed.  Now.  Let alone during them.  Sooooo

 

Thats precisely why the mode has not returned and has no relation to WWM. Naval EC has its own unique set of issues that we are trying to resolve dully before returning it. Its a double edge sword in that people complain about the issues and ask us to fix them, then also complain when we are trying to take the time to resolve them fully and make sure everyone has a better experience in the mode. Pointing to an entirely separate event that has no relation or correlation to the issues of Naval EC does not really mean anything. 

 

19 minutes ago, Conte_Baracca said:

I understand that Gaijin has put more time and money in WWM than Naval EC.  I even understand why.  I just don't agree with it.

 

Nobody here is trying to stop you from disagreeing or holding your own personal opinion. 

 

What I am trying to explain, is that the actual development of both modes is separate. They have different audiences, different roles and different places in the game. Ones development does not impact the other.

 

What occurred and what is now being used as the scapegoat is a serious and unforeseen technical issue that needed to be resolved above all else as this was an already ongoing, highly competitive and tactical based event that both players and squadrons had organised over a weeks worth of their game time around. The key difference here is that this is not development resources, but a core and critical issue in an ongoing event that needed to be resolved. That does not mean resources are being taken away from Naval ECs development or issues as standard. 

 

You are making the claim that WWM is to blame for Naval EC not returning when this is not correct.

 

Would you have made the same topic saying "Air Realistic Battles is a waste of resources" if it was the mode with the core issue over the same period? Or perhaps "Simulator EC is a waste of resources. Please quit wasting time on it and focus on fixing Naval or Helo EC instead." if it had a major and unforeseen technical issue that needed to be resolved immediately? I dont really think this is the case. 

 

You are using a VK poll asking and gauging peoples interest mostly on the reward vehicles as justification to demand a mode that you personally have no interest in, despite those that do, be killed off by us because "a waste of resources" so that they can supposedly be pumped into the modes you do personally care about. 

 

15 minutes ago, Conte_Baracca said:

BTW weren't there current server issues for the Russian Navy event?  Where was the all hands on deck for that?  Why are the naval servers STILL broken?

@Smin1080p

 

This topic is now entirely just off subject and has become about Naval EC and Naval events and no longer about WWM feedback. If you want to discuss Naval EC and events for Naval then please do so in an appropriate area. This is a World War Mode area. 

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17 hours ago, Conte_Baracca said:

https://m.vk.com/wall-13137988_3834619

 

World War Mode is a waste of resources.  Please quit wasting time on it and focus on fixing Naval or Helo EC instead.

 

As a squadron of 100 players we did have a go at WMM for a day or two and then simply lost interest. You need a few people who are interesting in sitting in front of a slow moving map for 2 hours at a time and they just get fed up with it. Players get annoyed with the same battles on the same map.

 

1 hour ago, Smin1080p said:

 

World War Mode does not really have any impact on the development of Naval or Helicopter EC. They are seperate modes entirely, with entirely different target audiences and purposes.

 

While it may be different sub-team of developers that are working on different areas, it will still have some impact. (please don't argue the point as some us are Managers that have worked in software development including MMOG's)

 

 

2 minutes ago, Smin1080p said:

You are making the claim that WWM is to blame for Naval EC not returning when this is not correct.

 

Again this comes down to resource available to facilitate hosting the event, so again it does have some impact.

 

 

WWM should take some lessons from new games like Hell Let Loss with 50v50 players on a map with at least 5 objectives taking up to 90 minutes of game time. Pay attention to the fact that the commander is on the actual map can communicate direct to squad leaders that in turn can communicate with the reaming players on how to support taking the main objectives. Give the commander direct access to provide resources on the map so you create a real dynamic between those who do the actual attacking/defending and those who do the strategy.

 

The world of gaming is moving forward but WT is just making more models and putting them into the same 8 year game play, this is a very shortsighted strategy imho.

 

 

[Magiaconatus 1,679]

We hear you Smin. But no matter what the current reason is for the absence of Naval EC; everybody is just bitter that Gaijin couldn't fix it ever since the end of March/early April.

Yeah, COVID and others, but still...

[Smin1080p_WT 60,444]

13 minutes ago, Magiaconatus said:

We hear you Smin. But no matter what the current reason is for the absence of Naval EC; everybody is just bitter that Gaijin couldn't fix it ever since the end of March/early April.

Yeah, COVID and others, but still...

 

As I have explained many times now, that frustration is well known and we keep forwarding both the requests and feedback to the devs that people want to see this mode return and as soon as it can be, it will be.

 

But with that said, this has no relation to WWM mode and its pretty clear this topic is targeting an entirely separate mode using different justification to request it be closed simply because its believe it will somehow speed up the return of or benefit Naval EC. 

 

As such, this is no longer WWM feedback anymore by this point and the conversation can be carried on in the Naval Sections.