Worst Tank to play (BLACK PRINCE)

[NightOperaKing@psn 15]

So recently I found myself interested in a tank I found in the item shop. It was one of the trophy rewards that cost 299 Golden Eagles. It was the only tank in the trophies that wasn’t on the tier trees so I thought. “Why not get this rare tank!” Needless to say I ended up spending 16000 Golden Eagles attempting to get it. I was so excited for a awesome tank that I’d never seen anyone use. So I immediately jump into a match after getting it. My expectations were... Too high, every time I made it to the conflict I almost immediately died in one shot, no amount of angling or hiding saved me. Every tank was far too fast to keep up with and the general experience of using the tank was a masochistic and unbearably boring time. Don’t buy or even try to get this tank it’s a waste of your time and money. There are no pros only cons you will be out played by every tank and plane in RB 6.0 and above. This might be the best example of Gaijin failing in tank BR placement, it is an embarrassing failure of their understanding, of their own game.

Edited August 11, 2020 by NightOperaKing@psn

[GoddePro 1,147]

14 minutes ago, NightOperaKing@psn said:

So recently I found myself interested in a tank I found in the item shop. It was one of the trophy rewards that cost 299 Golden Eagles. It was the only tank in the trophies that wasn’t on the tier trees so I thought. “Why not get this rare tank!” Needless to say I ended up spending 16000 Golden Eagles attempting to get it. I was so excited for a awesome tank that I’d never seen anyone use. So I immediately jump into a match after getting it. My expectations were... Too high, every time I made it to the conflict I almost immediately died in one shot, no amount of angling or hiding saved me. Every tank was far too fast to keep up with and the general experience of using the tank was a masochistic and unbearably boring time. Don’t buy or even try to get this tank it’s a waste of your time and money. There are no pros only cons you will be out player by every tank and plane in RB 6.0 and above. This might be the best example of Gaijin failing in tank BR placement, it is an embarrassing failure of their understanding, of their own game.

Congratulations

you have made the mistake of many of us war thunder players and bought yourself the Black Prince, the most overtiered vehicle in the game. IMO this tank wouldn't even be OP at 5.3 anymore, with its main rivals, the Panther and Tiger now .7 br below it. This tank makes me angry every time I think about it. every br adjustment thread, the British playerbase constantly begs gaijin to downtier the Black Prince, but they have yet to listen.

[NightOperaKing@psn 15]

34 minutes ago, GoddePro said:

Congratulations

you have made the mistake of many of us war thunder players and bought yourself the Black Prince, the most overtiered vehicle in the game. IMO this tank wouldn't even be OP at 5.3 anymore, with its main rivals, the Panther and Tiger now .7 br below it. This tank makes me angry every time I think about it. every br adjustment thread, the British playerbase constantly begs gaijin to downtier the Black Prince, but they have yet to listen.

My day has been ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable... But yeah, I guess I’m in the Black Prince masochist group, woooo! But yeah I’m really disappointed in Gaijin. It’s just sad when game companies ignore their player bases. 

[blockhaj 3,560]

I dont have the black prince on my account but ive tried it before annd i just dont understand how people can suck in it. It has super strong frontal armor and great penetration. Angling can even bounce the long 88.

[Kocant12 878]

2 hours ago, blockhaj said:

great penetration.

if a british tank has great pen then it has no damage.

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

4 hours ago, blockhaj said:

I dont have the black prince on my account but ive tried it before annd i just dont understand how people can suck in it. It has super strong frontal armor and great penetration. Angling can even bounce the long 88.

 

Except it has the armour of a 4.7 tank, and the gun of a 5.3. The 17-Pounder is anemic at 6.0, since it has to rely on APDS, which does sod all damage.

[Lukkyb 55]

3 hours ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

 

Except it has the armour of a 4.7 tank, and the gun of a 5.3. The 17-Pounder is anemic at 6.0, since it has to rely on APDS, which does sod all damage.

guys remember its balanced based on statistcis which means it must be in the right place 

[benboy24 1,127]

It's doing pretty well as far as I can see.

[Lukkyb 55]

16 minutes ago, benboy24 said:

It's doing pretty well as far as I can see.

i mean i was joking about the stats but xxxx me it must only be played by really good players to get 4 frags a match thats better than the Centurions i think

 

[ARedneckSquirel 2,035]

18 minutes ago, benboy24 said:

It's doing pretty well as far as I can see.

It's been not for sale for so long the only people who play it are usually the British TT veterans who can put up good stats in almost any vehicle. 

The BP is not a good or even competitive vehicle and has needed a downtier since it originally went from 5.7-6.0 right after release because it was the first tank introduced that the German players actually had to find a weakspots instead of point and clicking. 

It genuinely belongs at 5.3 with the tiger and Panther but never will be there. 

[Silent_Witch 1,452]

36 minutes ago, benboy24 said:

It's doing pretty well as far as I can see.

181 battle is very limiting

more like not many player want to use it even if they have it

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

The stats are a massive anomaly. It's barely played by anyone, and those who do play it are long running vets (since it's not been available in a while). Furthermore, they ONLY take it out in full downtiers, since thats literally the only match it is even vaguely viable in.

 

The thing really ought to go to 5.7/5.3. Especially now there's German 5.3 mediums that can lolpen its front while also having better armour.

Edited August 11, 2020 by TheFuzzieOne

[Matt_82 1,096]

I have it and played it for the first time a little while ago.  I also got kills.  The thing with it is that you rarely get kills on the front line.  Because the vehicle is painfully slow, what you're mainly killing is the yolo guys that have a cap and are now looking to get killed so that they can get in a plane or the spawn rushers.  You're not really influencing the match by taking out the dug in targets.

[NightOperaKing@psn 15]

So far the only way to play it has been getting to the first objective that is closest, otherwise you’ll spend more than nine minutes trying to get to other ones. It’s been pretty good as an ambush tank just hiding in objective, but it’s an extremely boring play style. No one wants to sit around in a point all match because they can’t move to other areas on the map due to the fear of being out in the open in such a slow tank. Sniping at midranges is good as well, but only if you can get the first shot in without being noticed. Attempting to snipe at extreme ranges is a waste of time due to the poor scope, I can’t tell you how many times a tank destroyer has ruined me like that.Honestly I think there should be a topic about how the Black Prince can be played, I’d like to see what British tank vets have to say about it.

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

1 hour ago, NightOperaKing@psn said:

So far the only way to play it has been getting to the first objective that is closest, otherwise you’ll spend more than nine minutes trying to get to other ones. It’s been pretty good as an ambush tank just hiding in objective, but it’s an extremely boring play style. No one wants to sit around in a point all match because they can’t move to other areas on the map due to the fear of being out in the open in such a slow tank. Sniping at midranges is good as well, but only if you can get the first shot in without being noticed. Attempting to snipe at extreme ranges is a waste of time due to the poor scope, I can’t tell you how many times a tank destroyer has ruined me like that.Honestly I think there should be a topic about how the Black Prince can be played, I’d like to see what British tank vets have to say about it.

 

We've been telling gaijin for years now. They continually ignore that the BP is easily the most mentioned tank in every single BR feedback thread.

[NightOperaKing@psn 15]

So I did some research, literally watched a documentary on the Black Prince. And besides the fact that the documentary pretty much put in scope how weak the Black Prince was. It also raised some points. Originally there were plans to put in several improvements. A key one being a new engine due to the fact that it had old model engines and underperformed very badly. Basically I’m wondering why we can have prototype tanks some that were never built, modifications as well that were never implemented on some tanks. But we can’t have an improved engine like they planned for the Black Prince, I mean it was historically accurate and was planned as an upgrade. So I don’t see why Gaijin can’t just slap a few letter changes for the engine name and put up its speed to 20 MPH like how it was gonna be historically? Is this just laziness and an oversight over legitimate historical accuracy, or is Gaijin actually sadistically torturing the British Tank community? Here’s a link to the documentary.

 

[Loongsheep 5,339]

23 hours ago, blockhaj said:

I dont have the black prince on my account but ive tried it before annd i just dont understand how people can suck in it. It has super strong frontal armor and great penetration. Angling can even bounce the long 88.

The long 88 will pen its turret no matter how it angles easily. A Tiger IIP at just 0.3 BR higher outclasses it in every criteria by a huge margin.

 

It is literally the slowest tank in the game, half the speed of similarly designed heavy tanks.

Gun is straight from BR 3.3 with a APDS that trades damage for penetration. It has no APHE and usually cannot kill any enemy with a single shot.

 

Due to its speed, there is literally no way you can lose to it in a TD or fast medium. A Waffentrager will win 10/10 times. So will a T-34/85 or a Nashorn. Its 17pdr cannot kill crew quickly.

 

The Black Prince is a joke at 6.0. With Tigers at 5.3 now, it has every reason to go down to 5.7 or even 5.3. At debut, it came at the same BR as Tiger H1, had over-performing hull armor and extremely overpowered APDS. It has since lost all these.

19 hours ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

 

Except it has the armour of a 4.7 tank, and the gun of a 5.3. The 17-Pounder is anemic at 6.0, since it has to rely on APDS, which does sod all damage.

It is a gun of 3.3.

Just having a 5.3 APDS that trades damage for penetration doesn't make it 5.3 armament - the solid shot is still used in many cases.

 

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

4 hours ago, NightOperaKing@psn said:

Basically I’m wondering why we can have prototype tanks some that were never built

Gaijin doesn't go for adding paper tanks now.

 

4 hours ago, NightOperaKing@psn said:

modifications as well that were never implemented on some tanks.

Which ones out of curiosity? Maybe I've just got Wednesday morning sleep syndrome, but I can't bring ones to mind? I'm certain I'm forgetting one though.

 

4 hours ago, NightOperaKing@psn said:

But we can’t have an improved engine like they planned for the Black Prince, I mean it was historically accurate and was planned as an upgrade

It's not historically accurate, as it was never done to the best of our knowledge.

 

4 hours ago, NightOperaKing@psn said:

So I don’t see why Gaijin can’t just slap a few letter changes for the engine name and put up its speed to 20 MPH like how it was gonna be historically?

It's very likely it could move faster anyway, Gaijin has a habit of giving British tanks only the speeds they could "usually" reach as their max, but giving other nations speeds that can rapidly and easily acquire their "tested max" due to the way some sources differ ni how they record speed. It's why some Russian and German vehicles appear to move like they're working off a different set of physics at times.

[NightOperaKing@psn 15]

3 hours ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

Gaijin doesn't go for adding paper tanks now.

 

Which ones out of curiosity? Maybe I've just got Wednesday morning sleep syndrome, but I can't bring ones to mind? I'm certain I'm forgetting one though.

A lot of Russian tanks, are a good example of paper tanks as you described, I think in specific the T-44-100 it was experimental. But it’s in the game and all the numbers and specifications are totally “legit” because it must have been tested by Gaijin lol. What I’m getting at is that it’s not out of the ordinary for them to improve a tank. I mean didn’t they recently add more Armour to the Maus? Like how did they decide that, because the German player base complained it wasn’t realistically strong enough or something? What I’m getting at is that some parts of the player base are completely ignored. Literally the smallest things in a development aspect are denied and outright ignored simply because people haven’t complained hard enough or “statistics” demand that they do nothing on the subject. I’d honestly love to see the dev team play the Black Prince in a stream for more than 10 matches and see the looks on their faces. The point I’m making however is that the only way for the community to make change is to be vocal about what they want. Someone somewhere has to gain ground on the issue, just so they can notice the players displeasure. It doesn’t even have to be on the subject of the Black Prince. The Black Prince is just a good example of their oversight and general oversight over an entire section of their player base. Considering the fact that changes have been asked for years. Better people have brought forth more compelling arguments on the case I’m speaking of. Nevertheless this needs to change if they can’t do something this simple for us, then it does mean that money is more important then the people who support their game.

Edited August 12, 2020 by NightOperaKing@psn

[Razielkaine 4,876]

On 11/08/2020 at 13:39, blockhaj said:

I dont have the black prince on my account but ive tried it before annd i just dont understand how people can suck in it. It has super strong frontal armor and great penetration. Angling can even bounce the long 88.

Agreed. I see most people don't angle it enough. The only reason I don't play it much any more is because its at a br with no tanks to play it with. Either drag centurion up or play it in an uptier. Neither are ideal.

[blockhaj 3,560]

18 minutes ago, Razielkaine said:

Agreed. I see most people don't angle it enough. The only reason I don't play it much any more is because its at a br with no tanks to play it with. Either drag centurion up or play it in an uptier. Neither are ideal.

Tbh the cent mk1 can easily deal with 7.0.

[GoddePro 1,147]

5 minutes ago, blockhaj said:

Tbh the cent mk1 can easily deal with 7.0.

not that any nations actually have 7.0 lineups

[Razielkaine 4,876]

8 minutes ago, blockhaj said:

Tbh the cent mk1 can easily deal with 7.0.

Yes it can but why would I want to drag it up if I dont have to?

[NightOperaKing@psn 15]

45 minutes ago, Razielkaine said:

Agreed. I see most people don't angle it enough. The only reason I don't play it much any more is because its at a br with no tanks to play it with. Either drag centurion up or play it in an uptier. Neither are ideal.

Most people don’t angle it enough? How is that even... What are you on about? Are you trying to say everyone who uses it is just unskilled so they die? What are you never caught by flanks, are you never not angled? Last time I checked this is a tank game, and anyone who owns a high tier tank or has had more than 24 hours of in game experience understands that you need to angle. The Churchill design is known by almost everyone since you come across it at lower BR’s eventually. It’s weaknesses are known. And it doesn’t help that every tank at 6.0 and above can one tap it. Maybe you should play it again since you “have” it and freshen up your perspective on it.

Edited August 12, 2020 by NightOperaKing@psn

[Razielkaine 4,876]

5 minutes ago, NightOperaKing@psn said:

Most people don’t angle it enough? How is that even... What are you on about? Are you trying to say everyone who uses it is just unskilled so they die? What are you never caught by flanks, are you never not angled? Last time I checked this is a tank game, and anyone who owns a high tier tank or has had more than 24 hours of in game experience understands that you need to angle. The Churchill design is known by almost everyone since you come across it at lower BR’s eventually. It’s weaknesses are known. And it doesn’t help that every tank at 6.0 and above can one tap it. Maybe you should play it again since you “have” it and freshen up your perspective on it.

Angled properly your armour is over 200mm effective thickness plus highly angled.  As I was saying people don't usually angle it enough so they don't get the effective thickness or the increased bounce chances. 

 

The armour is also better designed then the mk7 with better layered effect on the side, angle it enough people tend to shoot for the side because in any other tank it would be a weakpoint now.

 

  The tank is also larger so the tank is more dispersed and less vulnerable to  losing all its crew in one shot.  I play it like a bullet sponge so flanking usually isn't an issue but on that topic what tank doesn't care if its been flanked?

 

  I drive into the most open part of the map where the enemy sees me as early as possible.  I angle up and engage at maximum range. I wiggle my turret between shots  to make the turret hard to pen. At ranges the 122 and long 88 will all struggle to kill you.

 

Stop being so butt hurt because some people like it.