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  1. 1. After reading, would you like to see Hungary as an independent nation sometime in the future?


EpicBlitzkrieg87

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Not a fan of the way a more minor nation like Hungary is wished to be presented, considering the small list of native designs, but I still support the nation as long as it gets implemented in a tech tree style similar to that of helicopters. 

 

I want to see this :) 

 

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PacketlossRedux

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On 22/02/2020 at 01:53, GeT_BaLaNcEd_SoN said:

These are simply facts!You know them very well and you cannot change them either.Hungary doesn't have enough vehicles to be a TT on it's own.

Well since China trees are reserved for China exclusively, nations like Hungary,Czechslovakia,Polland,Finnland,Romania,Yugoslavia cant make tech trees that would qualify as standalones, like the major nations do.

 

However we all explore the options we have, and give our opinions on eachothers explored forms of addition of their nation. thx for your feedback bud

 

 

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FelvidekiMagyar

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@DarthGergely

Légyszíves ezt a fát rakd/tűzd ki ide és a légierőhöz és cserébe mindkét suggestion kap majd reklámozást (ki nem találod kitől) olyan egy hónapon belül

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cwHJYoUnPdgNboank_f-21_tzWOJrQOat3HtxlhxfF8/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

 

Még nincs teljesen kész de folyamatos adok hozzá képeket, javítok dolgokat stb

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NeroMastic

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Now I have a Big Probleme whit The Hungarian been added to War thunder.
Mix of Russian and German Tanks at Top Tier is unacceptable for me
Because its just like Germany whit the DDR and BDR but whit a few Hungarian Tanks.

Up until we get a what I say is ad Divertion from Allied tanks and Soviet tanks to NOT fight each other whit a Mix of Allied tanks.
A T-72 vs a T-72 is NOT fun and will NOT be fun for both sides,It should STAY unique to the Russians having they MBTs
Unless Gaijin adds a Mechanic to where you can Take a Full Allied Loadout or a Full Soviet Loadout so you can Fight whit the Soviets or the Allied.
Up untill then I disagree whit this Nation coming,learning from China/Sweden/Italy.

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DarthGergely

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3 hours ago, NeroMastic said:

Now I have a Big Probleme whit The Hungarian been added to War thunder.
Mix of Russian and German Tanks at Top Tier is unacceptable for me
Because its just like Germany whit the DDR and BDR but whit a few Hungarian Tanks.

Up until we get a what I say is ad Divertion from Allied tanks and Soviet tanks to NOT fight each other whit a Mix of Allied tanks.
A T-72 vs a T-72 is NOT fun and will NOT be fun for both sides,It should STAY unique to the Russians having they MBTs
Unless Gaijin adds a Mechanic to where you can Take a Full Allied Loadout or a Full Soviet Loadout so you can Fight whit the Soviets or the Allied.
Up untill then I disagree whit this Nation coming,learning from China/Sweden/Italy.

 

I absolutely understand your point , i know its really ...really annoying when you face with the same vehicle in the enemy , but you see what going on ....in the newest update we get a half american tech divided in the french and italian tech , and still exist a whole chinese tech with full of copy vehicles. The major nations like italy and french havent got enough vehicle to fill the brs ...major nation and in our case , hungary its not a mayor nation like those , so what are you waiting for? I mean , there is two group...one who like the protos who dont like the copy pastes and the other one dont like the protos and like the copy pastes ...so for which camp i could make a favour? A lot of people say : "easy...dont add xy tech because we have enough nation" ....the game need to be developed and always need new content so the addition of a new tech is impossible to avoid.

Why is a porblem to mix russia with germany? russia is already mixed with america in the main german tech and in the chinese one.

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Jarms

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Personally I’d prefer to see Hungary and Romania added to the Italian tree instead of the copy-paste allied armour we have at the moment. 
 

Alternatively, I’d even prefer the Visegrad 4 tree to this one, but even then it’s top tiers would just be modified vehicles or copy paste. 

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cfracas

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+1 I support this

But let's be honest... Hungary does not have a proper navy as it relies on river boats (we can define it a "brown water navy"), this is my only concern.

We can consider a real navy the ships used as part of austro-hungarian empire, but that was for WW 1

This is the reason why I think it is more likely to see Romania as next country with Hungarian tanks and planes as premiums.

Toldi and Nimrod are basically done since Sweden introduction, but have not been added to Italy. I guess Gaijin is holding them for another project.

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DarthGergely

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1 hour ago, cfracas said:

+1 I support this

But let's be honest... Hungary does not have a proper navy as it relies on river boats (we can define it a "brown water navy"), this is my only concern.

We can consider a real navy the ships used as part of austro-hungarian empire, but that was for WW 1

This is the reason why I think it is more likely to see Romania as next country with Hungarian tanks and planes as premiums.

Toldi and Nimrod are basically done since Sweden introduction, but have not been added to Italy. I guess Gaijin is holding them for another project.

 

About the Toldi and Nimrod implementing in the game , the only reason why those was not added is because there was no demand from the devs to add.

In the next update (or more precisely , the penultimate update of this year) we will see what is the plan of the company, there is two way , mixed fractions (V4, Minor Axis , Warsaw Pact , Czechslovakia/Yugoslavia) or independent nations.

If they want/will add a new tech tree the first two premium order vehicles will be added before the major update.

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Jarms

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On 26/05/2020 at 22:26, DarthGergely said:

 

I absolutely understand your point , i know its really ...really annoying when you face with the same vehicle in the enemy , but you see what going on ....in the newest update we get a half american tech divided in the french and italian tech , and still exist a whole chinese tech with full of copy vehicles. The major nations like italy and french havent got enough vehicle to fill the brs ...major nation and in our case , hungary its not a mayor nation like those , so what are you waiting for? I mean , there is two group...one who like the protos who dont like the copy pastes and the other one dont like the protos and like the copy pastes ...so for which camp i could make a favour? A lot of people say : "easy...dont add xy tech because we have enough nation" ....the game need to be developed and always need new content so the addition of a new tech is impossible to avoid.

Why is a porblem to mix russia with germany? russia is already mixed with america in the main german tech and in the chinese one.


For the French it’s fine, they’re an allied country. The problem here is MM France should be tied to the US and UK. The Italians shouldn’t have got them at all, they’re an axis nation using allied vehicles received after they surrendered. 

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Murdeer3

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So, I'm going to be biased in this comment!

 

I actually perfectly understand all of those who don't want an independent Hungary tree because of the too much soviet and german vehicle.

If you would ask me, I would support a way, where minor nations only got their really unique vehicles, even if there aren't many or they can't go up until rank 7, but let's be honest, it wouldn't be good for nobody.

It would be bad for the complany, because tech trees which arent going top tier isn't sell as much gold and take that much time to grind.

It would be bad for the players, because even if you only work towards "copy-paste" tansk(which aren't completly true to be honest), you still have something to work towards, that is a very important factor to a game like this.

 

Now secondly, you might dislike copy paste style vehicles, but the game already progressed towards it via Italy and France and let's just mention China, but I do think China is a special case, they had to exist in whatever form.

I also would prefer if they rather use prototype, god forbid, blueprint tanks where it's needed, like Italy and France ww2 tier(rank2, and rank3) or in the German tech tree, Germany still doesn't have a light tank line in the ww tier or they still don't have a heavy tank in rank 2, these are the cases where prototype and blueprint tanks should be used to fill the gaps and ofc in minor nation cases.

Sure, don't make completly ridicioulos, but as long it's fitting it could help some minor nation to make a full tech tree.

 

Now the third thing I want to mention.

So, If the tech trees are valid that my fellow hungarian comrades done in here, I saw no reason why it couldn't be implemented as a seperate tech tree.

Sure, it has lot of german and soviet vehicle, especially the air force is the problematic part, but as the game currently work, if a ground force implemented, an air force is needed, let it whatever air force it is.

Some hungarian can say we have maybe 3 unique hungarian designed plane and we made lot of these planes in domestically, but it doesn't change the fact, it still mostly just german planes, then soviet planes, than nato planes and that is true for the post war ground force as well, but again, you need and air force and whatever air force is better than no air force.

Not to talk about in historical perspective it would be a good reason to have a tree even like that in to represent Hungary. And at the end of the day, these planes would probably fun to play, they would provide players to work towards, Gaijin can monetarize it via releasing premiums and hungarian players or history buffs can still find it interesthing to play.

 

Now let me discuss the other option as implement nations under one flag, such as the V4 or Axis tree.

These trees wouldn't work, first, there is too much vehicle to put in, secondly, Gaijin can't monetize them properly, third, lot of nations has different alignment in ww2 and post war.

The only way these kind of trees would work is if at max two nations put together or nations who's have very few proper vehicle to show up in ww2 tiers especially, because every nation has modern military.

But even in these cases, it could be problematic.

So at the end of the day I woudl still support individial nation way, such as Hungary as a seperate nation.

 

Howewer I'm skeptical about it and I personally think it never gonna happen, if it would happen it would happen to Poland or the Czech Republics, they are far bigger markets.

The proposed "gather them unto major nations and acces via by them" is also could work, but I see no reason, because in Hungary cases, according to these fan tech trees, you can perfectly make good lineups to play and it don't need the help of Germany.

 

 

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