HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 I would really appreciate someone who actually knows what is going on could explain to me how this match was lost...I tiny little Klown mind simply cannot comprehend what game mechanics would be in place that would cause this loss...Seems to be pointless to even try to make an effort if this is the reward... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josephs_Piano 7,044 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 They had 1370 tickets left, you had 0, so they win. Looks like you did some base bombing, but they killed 12 ground/naval units - which is actually worth more ticket drain than 4 bases IIRC. Perhaps a link to replay would help people know more than that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyuser 5,136 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 Not dead bases don't drain tickets. A partially damaged airfield does not drain tickets. They all drain tickets, when they are destroyed. Same goes for gorund untits. They might cost less tickets per death, but there are much more and they die much faster. This about point 1. Point 2 is, we can't see if your team got rid of the AI-Attackers, that now show up on maps and kill groundtargets. If they are not killed, they are able to drain tickets fast too. But it is safe to say, that your team did not get rid of them. While those attackers don't show up as kills, they do show up in the score. And it doesn't look like many players got a much higher score then their shown kills would give. And the enemy team did not kill enough GTs to win the match by that. About your "effort". We don't know your bomber and how long you took for those bases. If you need to many passes for one you were just farming XP and SL for yourself. If you killed them fast and bomb the airfield after that, without help and the chance to get it down in time - you were just farming XP and SL for yourself after killing those bases. Because only a dead airfield got an impact on the battle, not a damaged one. Attacking the airfield is pointless for winning the battle in most cases these days (and for quite some time now). Ok, maybe you worked forward to the winter event task. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Josephs_Piano said: They had 1370 tickets left, you had 0, so they win. Looks like you did some base bombing, but they killed 12 ground/naval units - which is actually worth more ticket drain than 4 bases IIRC. Perhaps a link to replay would help people know more than that? https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/type/45971702145309300 I really hope that I am more than just a spectator now and that this game is not merely a bot fest... Edited December 22, 2020 by HochgeborenKlown cause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, anyuser said: Not dead bases don't drain tickets. A partially damaged airfield does not drain tickets. They all drain tickets, when they are destroyed. Same goes for gorund untits. They might cost less tickets per death, but there are much more and they die much faster. I killed all 4 bases and was bombing the airfield This about point 1. Point 2 is, we can't see if your team got rid of the AI-Attackers, that now show up on maps and kill groundtargets. If they are not killed, they are able to drain tickets fast too. Ridiculous if we are only spectators to auto bots battling it out But it is safe to say, that your team did not get rid of them. While those attackers don't show up as kills, they do show up in the score. And it doesn't look like many players got a much higher score then their shown kills would give. And the enemy team did not kill enough GTs to win the match by that. About your "effort". We don't know your bomber and how long you took for those bases. If you need to many passes for one you were just farming XP and SL for yourself. B-18B with 2 x 600kg bombs, I was actually trying to win and I could care less about xp or sl... If you killed them fast and bomb the airfield after that, without help and the chance to get it down in time - you were just farming XP and SL for yourself after killing those bases. Because only a dead airfield got an impact on the battle, not a damaged one. Attacking the airfield is pointless for winning the battle in most cases these days (and for quite some time now). Then bombers and bases are pointless, not really sure what your point is but whatever it is the match should not be decided by which team had more bots since that reduces us, the RL breathing players, to specs only... Ok, maybe you worked forward to the winter event task. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyuser 5,136 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 1. Those bots show up for both sides in the same number and they can be killed (they go very close to your spawnpoint, far away form the enemy.... The other team did not only do better in that point but in killing tickets by killing groundtargets too. 2. Those bots replaced the timed auto destruction of ground units, that was the "ongoing battle on the ground" before. Without both sides killing a single groundtarget you could loose all GTs to the old system too. 3. In Groundstrike we ARE the supporting force for an ongoing ground battle, doing close air support, frontline support and air cover... Well, in all plane modes we are just an supporting force, exept Air Dom. And we have always just won based on the ground battle. Bases, when killed, do cost tickets. But bombing an airfield with the 600kg of the B18B (no "-" on swedish bombers, thats US) is just wasted time or XP/Lions Grind. This tactical bomber is not build for killing such a target. You need something like an Hallifax for those tasks or a Farman or PBM-3, to stay in a more narrow BR range. Maybe the FW200 would have a chance too. You only do little less then 1000kg TNT damage to the airfield for each drop with the B18 (the small bombs included, even worse with just the big bombs). It does need around 11 or 12x of that. Or was it 16t TNT for the airfield on that BR? Doesn't matter, to much for a tactical bomber like the B18. At last without a lot of help. You already needed at last 4:30min + time for the first drop just for what you did (looks like high alt bombing, so 6min at last and just when doing perfect). This is already a little bit to long, but ok if you would have attacked stationary GTs with your big bombs after that. Something like pillboxes. But while the bombers, that could kill the airfield fast enough, are sitting ducks, your B18 is fast and nimble enough to fend of fighters and kill other bombers and attack ground targets. It is always a trade off. In this case for lower bomb load. The game is decided by who does better for all winconditions of the game together. This would be: Bomb/protect bases and airfield, bomb/protect groundunits, wear down enemy planes. Your team lost horribly on protecting your own assets. In the end it is a game of teams, you made your impact by killing the bases, you could have done more with switching to ground units after that, and your team was only after playerkills (and not good here). Maybe because of the winter event. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted December 23, 2020 Actually took their airfield out at the end and still got botted out...Marvelous... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyuser 5,136 Report post Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) Can't believe the airfield was taken out by you with just that TNT damage, because the enemy would have done so even earlier They got roughly 12 tons of TNT damage, your team got little more then 8 tons. While both teams got the same amount of bases and airfields with the same HP. Still, dead airfield starts a fast ticket bleed down to 0, not an instand ticket loss (was always that way). If you did it too, then while your tickets where already bleeding. Or (looks more like this) you mistook the message because it was your field that went down. And they got around 2x of the ground targets killed your team did... Its not only the NPC IL2/10, its a team that failed on groundtargets and their protection and at intercepting the enemy basebomber. I mean, even 2 players died to that guy! Edited December 23, 2020 by anyuser 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josephs_Piano 7,044 Report post Posted December 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, HochgeborenKlown said: Actually took their airfield out at the end and still got botted out...Marvelous... Rubbish - they bombed heaps more than you did - math not you strong suit?? 2 hours ago, HochgeborenKlown said: https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/type/45971702145309300 I really hope that I am more than just a spectator now and that this game is not merely a bot fest... Entirely up to you - taking out the bots is not difficult - it'll only be a "bot fest" if you let them beat you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted December 23, 2020 16 hours ago, Josephs_Piano said: Rubbish - they bombed heaps more than you did - math not you strong suit?? I went back and looked at the replay...The notice I saw pop up was that my base had been destroyed...I dont fly bombers so I dont know what it takes to kill bases and airfields...I also dont pay attention to the health of them...Wasn't rubbish, just a mistake on a briefly flashed message...Math is actually strong in my family...Having said that, please feel free to not respond to me again... Entirely up to you - taking out the bots is not difficult - it'll only be a "bot fest" if you let them beat you. Actually it is not if I am in a bomber...Also, since 95% of the time I am hunting bombers to keep them from killing my bases and they are up high where I fly I cant very well dive down after bots when bomber spam is in full swing...Also note, while the bots give you a bit of xp and sl, neither of which I care about, they do not count towards any requirements for either of these events...Just more "stuff, junk, etc" gaijin throws at us...As above, feel free to not respond to me again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
