Unbalance Teams

[DonerTurk 3]

Shame on Match Making puting low lvls vs 60lvl to 100 in one team and the other moste was not even 10 lvl its a moste discusting MM i ever see in a game .

 

Edited February 5, 2021 by DonerTurk
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[Kosher_Locust 120]

On 05/02/2021 at 11:53, DonerTurk said:

Shame on Match Making puting low lvls vs 60lvl to 100 in one team and the other moste was not even 10 lvl its a moste discusting MM i ever see in a game .

It doesn't look at player level but BR of your air force and the overall BR of your team.  What ever your average BR is you can expect to encounter a team either one level higher or lower.  If your BR is 5.3 you can expect to encounter a range from 4.3 to 6.3; the player level is whatever the player is.  A highly experienced player in a low BR match can happen as the planes on his lineup are in the same general rank as everyone else.

Edited February 7, 2021 by Kosher_Locust
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[TheFoxInTheBox_ 217]

I've heard this complaint about a dozen times before, so I'm just gonna repeat what I've said earlier.

Level does not always correlate with skill. The majority of players I come across who are a higher level than me are, in actuality, also worse pilots. The amount of high level players who consistently make idiotic moves and decisions during a game is often staggering. Like how I've seen plenty of F-86 pilots pull up and climb 4-5km vertically at me, only to get incredibly angry about how their supposedly Superior and Indestructible American Jet Fighter was detonated by some douche in a Yak-15. You'd think after 35 years of existence, they'd have realised that gravity is in fact a thing and that the slow targets are easy to hit, but I digress. You see, level is basically a measure of how much someone has grinded their way through the game, with people very often paying to access more content instead of playing for it. I've seen countless players with a much higher level than me and yet considerably less play time because of this. And remember, you don't get different levels for playing different vehicles, you can commonly find people who play tanks all the time and have gotten to, say, level 70-80+ from their tanks, but have barely used aircraft outside of CAS, resulting in them being terrible at flying, even though they have a high account level. 

What I'm saying is that player level is not taken into account at all during matchmaking, it's purely done by the rating of your vehicles. Basing the matchmaking on player levels would be an entirely pointless waste of resources and would not do anything for the game. 

[Whitt1e 27]

Can confirm, I'm a very casual player. Been playing the game for 7+ years, just about to roll over to lvl 52. I feel I'm adequate during a match, I understand the core gameplay well and I learn the capability of what I fly, but I'm yet to really explore any of the more detailed mechanics or meta (beyond bloody 109's). Even my middling level, if you can even call it that over that amount of time, isn't really representative of anything; and if it were, there are still times I just fancy furballing, or going for air kills rather than objectives, or bombing bases, because why not.

 

I've come across lvl 100 players who are awful, and I've been decimated by lvl 10 players. 

 

I don't even look at player cards as they're pretty irrelevant when it comes to it. Even the best players have their bad days, and there are days that everything falls into place for the less experienced ones.

 

[DonerTurk 3]

So max out crew are irrelevant and its ok to put 100s lvl max out vs 62 and less lvl this is total BS and i will tell you why if you have ability to have 75% more HP on pilot and basicly be better in every think because of skills its huge disadventage to the other team + this should dont happent in game like this atleast not in that lvls its screaming of bad MM all the way.

 

You dont look for player card because you dont care i will dont look too later but how i can lvl up if i constanly get teams like this and go for 8 or 9 lost games with geting 600 RP for doing 7 kills its just stupid so they make this MM to frustrate ppl to buy premium time or vehicles because this BS .

[False_Swiss 104]

6 minutes ago, DonerTurk said:

So max out crew are irrelevant and its ok to put 100s lvl max out vs 62 and less lvl this is total BS and i will tell you why if you have ability to have 75% more HP on pilot and basicly be better in every think because of skills its huge disadventage to the other team + this should dont happent in game like this atleast not in that lvls its screaming of bad MM all the way.

 

You dont look for player card because you dont care i will dont look too later but how i can lvl up if i constanly get teams like this and go for 8 or 9 lost games with geting 600 RP for doing 7 kills its just stupid so they make this MM to frustrate ppl to buy premium time or vehicles because this BS .

 

This doesn't happen often.  Statistically, it should not and does not.  Maybe it's inconvenient and maybe it's annoying to see a few high-level players pounding out the competition, but don't say that doesn't happen for you as well.  You're not cursed with this bad luck alone.  Furthermore, as others have said, player cards barely matter.  Of course we don't look at player cards, because we've already learned that they speak little about a player's true skill.

 

I'm going to assume you're still a very new player as you only have 83 battles on record.  Seriously, you're already complaining?  Chin up.  You've got a lot to learn and adapt to just like the rest of us have.

[Lexing_ 241]

1 hour ago, DonerTurk said:

So max out crew are irrelevant and its ok to put 100s lvl max out vs 62 and less lvl this is total BS and i will tell you why if you have ability to have 75% more HP on pilot and basicly be better in every think because of skills its huge disadventage to the other team + this should dont happent in game like this atleast not in that lvls its screaming of bad MM all the way.

 

You dont look for player card because you dont care i will dont look too later but how i can lvl up if i constanly get teams like this and go for 8 or 9 lost games with geting 600 RP for doing 7 kills its just stupid so they make this MM to frustrate ppl to buy premium time or vehicles because this BS .

Levels do nothing in this game. I've seen Level 10s win 1v4s from an energy disadvantage and level 100s lose 4v1s against level 50s. 

[DonerTurk 3]

Lexing this statment is false because constant puting 100s in games vs not even lvl 9 they always in this first place , why simple experience - boost from crew skills and so on its just insanly stupid to have so much unbalance teams but i know why this happent its to push you buy premium time let me explain if i got constant defeats because enemy have 2 ppl 100 lvl and we got max one person 52 lvl and rest below its obvius disadventage for me team that moste are lowbies and got smashed and experience player will dont go furbal vs 4 ppl his will choise his target and will play only Op planes with posibily of Ace crew hell even i dont go furbal repairs are too expensive so if i kill 5 ppl and get 5k SL and me repairs are 3k for 1 plane rank 3 on BR 3.0 its just total BS and need to make Dayli missions that are out of space so this is chain that make new ppl frustrated so they need to buy Premium Time so the game its good yes nice but ppl think about it full Lags every second game put you on 350 ping even kick you off battle and need to pay again for repairs that you dont even play, and not enjoyable at all contant frustration for Silver Lions and up tier + massive BS with the lvls im lvl 9 dont really belive i will stay here for long.

[False_Swiss 104]

Just now, DonerTurk said:

Lexing this statment is false because constant puting 100s in games vs not even lvl 9 they always in this first place , why simple experience - boost from crew skills and so on its just insanly stupid to have so much unbalance teams but i know why this happent its to push you buy premium time let me explain if i got constant defeats because enemy have 2 ppl 100 lvl and we got max one person 52 lvl and rest below its obvius disadventage for me team that moste are lowbies and got smashed and experience player will dont go furbal vs 4 ppl his will choise his target and will play only Op planes with posibily of Ace crew hell even i dont go furbal repairs are too expensive so if i kill 5 ppl and get 5k SL and me repairs are 3k for 1 plane rank 3 on BR 3.0 its just total BS and need to make Dayli missions that are out of space so this is chain that make new ppl frustrated so they need to buy Premium Time so the game its good yes nice but ppl think about it full Lags every second game put you on 350 ping even kick you off battle and need to pay again for repairs that you dont even play, and not enjoyable at all contant frustration for Silver Lions and up tier + massive BS with the lvls im lvl 9 dont really belive i will stay here for long.

 

Okay, let me take this from a personal standpoint.  When I started playing in this account, I was obviously in level 1.  But did you know that I started playing this game back in 2018 and ditched two accounts before this one?  Of course, if you were to look at me, you'd think I was only a beginner just based on the number.

 

It makes no difference.  You're not responding to any of the points we've been pointing out for you at all, including the basic assertion that a player's level doesn't matter.

[RoadToRuin 16]

7 hours ago, DonerTurk said:

Lexing this statment is false because constant puting 100s in games vs not even lvl 9 they always in this first place , why simple experience - boost from crew skills and so on its just insanly stupid to have so much unbalance teams but i know why this happent its to push you buy premium time let me explain if i got constant defeats because enemy have 2 ppl 100 lvl and we got max one person 52 lvl and rest below its obvius disadventage for me team that moste are lowbies and got smashed and experience player will dont go furbal vs 4 ppl his will choise his target and will play only Op planes with posibily of Ace crew hell even i dont go furbal repairs are too expensive so if i kill 5 ppl and get 5k SL and me repairs are 3k for 1 plane rank 3 on BR 3.0 its just total BS and need to make Dayli missions that are out of space so this is chain that make new ppl frustrated so they need to buy Premium Time so the game its good yes nice but ppl think about it full Lags every second game put you on 350 ping even kick you off battle and need to pay again for repairs that you dont even play, and not enjoyable at all contant frustration for Silver Lions and up tier + massive BS with the lvls im lvl 9 dont really belive i will stay here for long.

Donor, I felt some of your pain in my last battle tonight, but I think (as others in this thread have stated) that it has less to do with pilot "level" than it has with poor BR matchmaking in general. I'm a free player and I have played for 10 months, give or take. I'm not a stats guy, nor am I obsessed with winning battles (most of which are arcade ground strike) and I don't fly bombers (so I rarely play the objectives). I think I'm at Level 32 or 33, but I don't know, or care. I simply play to dogfight, or shoot bombers down, and that's it. I play only for fun. If others on my "team" are lower levels and they are looking to me to carry the team to victory...they're looking in the wrong place. Case in point, tonight's battle was one of those wide-open, boring ground strike maps (Mozdok? or similar) and I flew my Russian 2.0BR line-up. I flew-out in a 1.7BR I-16 and scored as many kills as my entire team, combined. That has NEVER happened before tonight. We lost BIG, and quickly, but the opposing team was made up of 2.3-3.0 aircraft. They clubbed my battle-mates mercilessly. I think this battle was pretty poorly matched as the group I was in were mostly low BR planes and didn't hold-up very well. Oh well, I still had fun even though we got badly trounced. I tried my best to save a couple teammates before I started to play more defensively out of self preservation.

 

The one thing that I have noticed in the last month or so, is that although the size of the player group online (roughly 40-70,000 folks) is about the same as previous months, there is about four-times (4-5000 battles) as many battles being played. I'm used to seeing about 50,000 players and just over 1,000 battles being played (US server at about 9pm EST). I'm not sure if others have noticed this, but I would be interested in hearing your thoughts. I think Gaijin may be spreading-out the player base to shorten wait times to get into battles (I have never waited longer than 60 seconds to join a battle) and this may be contributing to the poor matchmaking. It's just a theory, but the increased number of battles is the one thing that stands out to me as different. I could be wrong and I'm certainly not complaining about short wait times, but it is a difference that I have noticed.

 

Stick with it Donor, this game can be very frustrating at times, but it's still fun for me overall. Don't take it too seriously (there are always better players) and just set small goals for yourself and try to reach those. There is a lot of good tutorial info on YouTube and the majority of advice in the forums is useful to apply in matches, just be patient and have fun and the Silver Lions will add up.

[DonerTurk 3]

Let me explain somthing sure lvl 100 are only levels shown with no big deal of performance on the player but Crew lvl shown that the person play long time and have high possibility to have ace crew on the planes arleady so if you are lvl 9 like im and im constantly put in team with this same lvl as me or litle higher and in enemy team have 2 ppl at lvl 100 its obvius that give adventage on me enemy team so its like game give you lower chance to win its obvius from start so if this ppl have fun yes they will have because the experience and they know what to do if me team dont have chance from start its making the game frustrating and obviusly i need to think about repairs and the time i need to spend so even if i do 5 to 7 kills and get 600 exp RP and - 5k SL or +2k in BR 3.0 its just insane for the time im spending in game so obviusly is somthing wrong here but to Finish it and sey what i think about it , EA basicly doing this same making ppl spend money think they are not good in game and they got sued for it this is the same here they make you think you are bad to spend money on game so obiusly its Bad company policy going to end this im not bad eather stupid so possible alot of ppl dont agree with me but im sure some others do .

[Wummele1 206]

I know how you feel when you posted this DonerTurk, for me it is not so much the level as people have pointed out that is just a by product of playing for a long time. I am level 100 but it has no relevance on how good I am, I have neither the spare time or inclination to spend hours watching youtube videos, trying to get the non existent friends to do custom battles to learn strategies and weak spots ( which can change with each patch).

For me it is the experience or maybe winrate or kill/death ratio that makes it annoying. Some players are very skilful yet play against much lower unskilled opponents, plus the BR rating which can also give an advantage. I think there should be some sort of skill based league so it reduces if not eliminates the stomp games and the ridiculous number of kills that some players get in games.

With new countries introduced then a level 100 player will also be starting with green crew stats they do not get any benefits when starting a new tech tree, but on older tech trees crew levels can be higher simply because you have played a lot. But I am not so sure that crew levels make much of a difference, I believe 150 is the max level, I have some which are 1/3 the way to that total but it seems to make very little difference in matches.

[Lexing_ 241]

22 hours ago, DonerTurk said:

Lexing this statment is false because constant puting 100s in games vs not even lvl 9 they always in this first place , why simple experience - boost from crew skills and so on its just insanly stupid to have so much unbalance teams but i know why this happent its to push you buy premium time let me explain if i got constant defeats because enemy have 2 ppl 100 lvl and we got max one person 52 lvl and rest below its obvius disadventage for me team that moste are lowbies and got smashed and experience player will dont go furbal vs 4 ppl his will choise his target and will play only Op planes with posibily of Ace crew hell even i dont go furbal repairs are too expensive so if i kill 5 ppl and get 5k SL and me repairs are 3k for 1 plane rank 3 on BR 3.0 its just total BS and need to make Dayli missions that are out of space so this is chain that make new ppl frustrated so they need to buy Premium Time so the game its good yes nice but ppl think about it full Lags every second game put you on 350 ping even kick you off battle and need to pay again for repairs that you dont even play, and not enjoyable at all contant frustration for Silver Lions and up tier + massive BS with the lvls im lvl 9 dont really belive i will stay here for long.

I know how you feel. Frankly, I'm just gonna put this out for you: If you are not making a profit every time you play, 95% of the time it's because you made a mistake. Rage quitting so early on doesn't help you: it just serves to waste all your previous time. I'll link long5hot's arcade tutorials that I think any new player should know. Best of luck

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuSIUQRYEJmIdv6uh3YD4hp3KIld8w_Zg

 

[GhostSoph@psn 2,213]

On 10/02/2021 at 18:10, ____Lexing____ said:

Frankly, I'm just gonna put this out for you: If you are not making a profit every time you play, 95% of the time it's because you made a mistake.

This is simply NOT TRUE. If you progress high enough on the BRs, you get to a point where THE MAJORITY of the players will not make a profit. And math does not add up...if you dont make the mistake, someone else will as only the top X or so will make a profit. X will reduce as you rise in BR, at 6.3 where i play now it should be 8 players or so...(depends on how the match goes and the vehicles being used).

To put it simply...for you to get enough kills to make the profit, several players will have negative kill ratios and a loss.

INDIVIDUALLY you can improve and get better results, but in the end...if you improve enough, someone else will take the loss...someone always will.

 

AFAIK the game does not matches player levels...and the level is actually not a perfect indication of ability...so sometimes you have a better team, others you have the worst team.

It could be improved for sure...but from MY EXPERIENCE you get a roughly equal number of GOOD and BAD teams (at least in arcade)...and MOST games are quite balanced for a while (until one team gets the numerical advantage). IMHO, this is far from being a big issue in AB (AF, GF or Naval)...the above mentioned economic problem feels worse to me...

[DonerTurk 3]

Me fault is start playing the game sure ppl sey whatever you like its unfair if im playing 3.0 plane and shout down other its 1.0 and get 100 SL or 250 SL this same Biplanes should not play vs Warhavk P40s and so on its unbalance as hell and i have more to sey but will be long so you all Admirals Generals dont play the good cop to others if the game have so many flaws and seying you do mistake yes i have instaling the game thx for trying make fool out of me but the best way uninstall.

 

and problem exist in AB possible you dont understend how hard is to play free account with no bonuses at all no new player infux in this game any way im off wasted too much time on it even Translations in Battle pass missions have flaws its a bs seems to me and fell like a BETA.

[Gbear1867@psn 1]

9 hours ago, DonerTurk said:

Me fault is start playing the game sure ppl sey whatever you like its unfair if im playing 3.0 plane and shout down other its 1.0 and get 100 SL or 250 SL this same Biplanes should not play vs Warhavk P40s and so on its unbalance as hell and i have more to sey but will be long so you all Admirals Generals dont play the good cop to others if the game have so many flaws and seying you do mistake yes i have instaling the game thx for trying make fool out of me but the best way uninstall.

 

and problem exist in AB possible you dont understend how hard is to play free account with no bonuses at all no new player infux in this game any way im off wasted too much time on it even Translations in Battle pass missions have flaws its a bs seems to me and fell like a BETA.

P40's went up against plenty of Biplanes IRL.

 

Just keep plugging away, this game has a steep learning curve, even on arcade, but when it clicks, it all starts to make a bit more sense

 

[xxKUNG_FUxx 121]

Winning streaks are also part of matchmaker. It matters less for fighters typically, as fighters have less impact on the result than do attackers/bombers. It matters less too than in ground forces/tanks.

 

This is brought up for a reason. If someone is to cite a single match or a small pool of matches it's a bit like cherry picking statistics then complaining about only the cherry picked.

 

We should also understand - the matchmaker is choosing from a finite set of players at any given time (those who are on and qualify)

 

So from the variables the matchmaker is given it "chooses" the team. There is also randomness thrown in, probability. Squads too have an effect, among other variables.

 

At an extreme example one could say that given the ghastly low odds of winning the lottery no one can ever win. And yet, in the end, someone always does.

 

Look... if you're in the middle of the bell curve, on a long enough timeline (10 matches? 25?) you're going to look average from a statistical point of view. Will there be outliers? Damn right there will be - good and bad. And it's not just the matchmaker that has randomness built in - we humans do too. Sometimes enough dice rolls happen in a single match that even some blind squirrel n u b has a really good run and affects the result positively. Vice versa - sometimes the best players do really poorly. It all averages out in the end.

 

Ya' don't hear complaints as much when your team is on the winning or dominating side of that as much tho', do ya? No one complains when they have their best match, do they? It all averages out. The matchmaker is not doing this all the time.

 

What I suggest is this post, like so many in the forums, is nothing but a squeaky wheel expecting some kind of grease while intentfully having horse blinders on to face the larger picture afield.

 

Get over it. War Thunder, like life for the vast majority, isn't served up on a silver platter. Discipline, energy and enthusiasm, practice and persistence, tenacity and training, honoring commitments - all these things and more pay off just as in any competitive endeavor. If you have none of that don't expect to better oneself. Try an old single player game with cheat codes turned on if that's what you're after. Enjoy!

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2021 by xxKUNG_FUxx