Independent Heavy Tank Branch

[lLiberté 345]

 

                                                Independent German Heavy Tank Branch  

 

After neglecting this suggestion for quite a long time, I've finally gathered my resources again and revamped the whole suggestion. In its core revamped version is more or less same as my last version of the branch, you can still access old thread under "Legacy Content" spoiler.

 

                                                                                                                         Heavy Tank & East German Branch

                                        

 

                                                                                                                                              Original Heavy Tank  Branch

 

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Description

  Among all German panzer of World War II, might Tiger I is probably is the most famous one, and is probably the biggest draw to German Tech Tree. In Current iteration of tech tree, there is a huge jump from Panzer III M (3.3) to Tiger I H1 (5.3). This jump is both in gameplay-wise and in BR-wise, Panzer IIIs does not really teach players to how to play German heavies, especially Tiger Is and this leads to low win rate German for teams. What I'm really proposing is here, creating Independent Heavy Tank branch. This branch would start with Grosstraktor and continue with German heavy tank prototypes which eventually created infamous Tiger I. Those tanks would offer somewhat similar play styles with Tiger Is and prepare new comers to for both Tiger Is play style and general heavy tank gameplay. Essential vehicles are built in form of prototype at the very least, while premium options are generally controversial vehicles.

 

Here the list of vehicles I've included in the Heavy Tank Branch

 

Research Tree

Großtraktor

 

  Großtraktor was Germany's attempt to create a heavy breakthrough tank during inter-war years. Due to restrictions Treaty of Versille, Germany had to continue their programme in secret, hence the name Großtraktor. It is great starter vehicle offering play style between a heavy-medium tank.

 

For more information you can check @Ghostmaxi's suggestion for Großtraktor:

 

Specifications

 

Specifications
Crew	6
Dimensions and Weight
Mass	19 Tonnes
Length	6.6 m
Width	2.8 m
Height	2.3 m
Armament
Main Armament	75mm KwK 37 L/24
Secondary Armament	7.92mm Co-Axial Machine Gun 7.92mm Machine Gun in Mini Turret
Ammunition Capacity	102 75mm Tank Rounds 6000 7.92mm Machine Gun
Mobility
Engine	BMW-Va Gasoline Engine 250 Horsepower
Transmission	ZF SSG 280
Maximum Speed	40 km/h
Protection
Armor	Front	Side	Back
Hull	?	?	?
Turret	?	?	?
6-14mm Soft Steel

 

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Durchbruchswagen

 

 Durchbruchswagen project came into existence in 1937 after Wa Prüf 6 asked Henschel to design a chassis for 30 tonne heavy breakthrough tank carrying 75mm cannon. While Henschel designed chassis, Krupp was requested to design the turret. Two version of Durchbruchswagen was designed, namely Durchbruchswagen 1 & Durchbruchswagen 2, while being practical same, D.W 2 is more of a refined version.

Specifications

 

Specifications
Crew	5
Dimensions and Weight
Mass	30 Tonnes
Length	5.7 m
Width	3.1 m
Height	2.7 m
Armament
Main Armament	75mm KwK 37 L/24
Secondary Armament	7.92mm MG34 Co-Axial Machine Gun 7.92mm MG34 Ball-Mount Machine Gun
Ammunition Capacity	? 75mm Tank Rounds ? 7.92mm Machine Gun
Mobility
Engine	Maybach HL 120 TR Gasoline Engine 280 Horsepower
Transmission	Maybach-Motorenwerk Variorex Semi-Automatic
Maximum Speed	35 km/h
Protection
Armor	Front	Side	Back
Hull	50	50	50
Turret	50	50	50
Soft Steel

 

 

VK 30.01 (H)

 

  VK 30.01 (H) is evolution of Durchbruchswagen project, after Durchbruchswagen successful tests, Wa Prüf 6 green-lighted continuation of the project. VK 30.01 (H) retained core principles of Durchbruchswagen prototypes. It carried same 75mm cannon and had similar armor scheme. Unlike D.W.s, VK 30.01 (H) was mated with its turret, which was designed for D.W.s earlier.

 

Specifications

 

Specifications
Crew	5
Dimensions and Weight
Mass	30 Tonnes
Length	5.7 m
Width	3.1 m
Height	2.7 m
Armament
Main Armament	75mm KwK 37 L/24
Secondary Armament	7.92mm MG34 Co-Axial Machine Gun 7.92mm MG34 Ball-Mount Machine Gun
Ammunition Capacity	90-100 75mm Tank Rounds 4350 7.92mm Machine Gun
Mobility
Engine	Maybach HL 116 Gasoline Engine 300 Horsepower
Transmission	ZF 6-Speed SSG 77 Or 8-Speed SMG 90 Or 10-Speed SSG 328
Maximum Speed	35 km/h
Protection
Armor	Front	Side	Back
Hull	50	50	50
Turret	50	50	50

 

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VK 36.01 (H)

 

  VK 36.01 (H) is product of Artillerie-Wagen (A.W.) project which was to carry to 105mm L/20 or L/28 cannon. Following French Campaign, Wa Prüf 6 changed the requirements of project, armor protection was opted for 80mm instead of 100mm, and weight of the tank was limited to 30 tonnes. On 1940 Krupp was tasked to design the turret with 105mm L/28, either using A.W.-Turm or V.K.-Turm. On 1941, requirements for turret changed to favour a cannon with higher penetration capabilities. Due to tungsten shortages, Waffe 0725 was deemed unsatisfactory and project was discontinued. Henschel only completed one fully functional chassis. Turrets were to be use on fixed emplacements but this plan was never materialised due to bombing raids, only handful of incomplete turrets were made.

 

Turrets

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Specifications

 

Specifications
Crew	5
Dimensions and Weight
Mass	30 Tonnes
Length	6.0 m
Width	3.1 m
Height	2.6 m
Armament
Main Armament	75/50mm KwK 42 L/24 Waffe 0725 Or 105mm leFH 18 L/28
Secondary Armament	7.92mm MG34 Co-Axial Machine Gun 7.92mm MG34 Ball-Mount Machine Gun
Ammunition Capacity	? 75mm Tank Rounds Or ? 105mm Tank Rounds ? 7.92mm Machine Gun
Mobility
Engine	Maybach HL 174 Gasoline Engine 450 Horsepower
Transmission	Maybach OG 40 12 16 8-Speed
Maximum Speed	50 km/h
Protection
Armor	Front	Side	Back
Hull	100	60	60
Turret	100	80	80

 

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Premium Tree

Nb.Fz. No.1

 

For more information you can check @Zombificussuggestion for Großtraktor:

 

VK 65.01 (H)

  VK 65.01 (H) is essentially heavier and more armored version of VK 30.01 (H). Its was to weight around 65 tonnes and powered by Maybach HL 223 Gasoline engine, preferred armament was not changed.

 

Specifications

 

Specifications
Crew	5
Dimensions and Weight
Mass	65 Tonnes
Length	5.7 m
Width	3.1 m
Height	2.7 m
Armament
Main Armament	75mm KwK 37 L/24
Secondary Armament	7.92mm MG34 Co-Axial Machine Gun 7.92mm MG34 Ball-Mount Machine Gun
Ammunition Capacity	? 75mm Tank Rounds ? 7.92mm Machine Gun
Mobility
Engine	Maybach HL 224 Gasoline Engine 591 Horsepower
Transmission	? 6-Speed
Maximum Speed	20 km/h
Protection
Armor	Front	Side	Back
Hull	80	80	80
Turret	80	80	80

 

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VK 45.01 (H)

 

  Essentially, early prototype of Tiger I, in fact above image is the very first prototype. It was more or less same with Tiger I except for Vorpanzer on the front.

Specifications

 

Specifications
Crew	5
Dimensions and Weight
Mass	65 Tonnes
Length	5.7 m
Width	3.1 m
Height	2.7 m
Armament
Main Armament	88mm KwK 36 L/56
Secondary Armament	7.92mm MG34 Co-Axial Machine Gun 7.92mm MG34 Ball-Mount Machine Gun
Ammunition Capacity	92 88mm Tank Rounds 4500 7.92mm Machine Gun
Mobility
Engine	Maybach HL 210P45 Gasoline Engine 650 Horsepower
Transmission	Maybach OG 40 12 16 8-Speed
Maximum Speed	45 km/h
Protection
Armor	Front	Side	Back
Hull	100	80	80
Turret	100	60	80

 

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Tiger I H2

 

For more information you can check @_PedroSniper_'s suggestion for Tiger I H2:

 

Specifications

 

Specifications
Crew	5
Dimensions and Weight
Mass	65 Tonnes
Length	5.7 m
Width	3.1 m
Height	2.7 m
Armament
Main Armament	75mm KwK 42 L/70
Secondary Armament	7.92mm MG34 Co-Axial Machine Gun 7.92mm MG34 Ball-Mount Machine Gun
Ammunition Capacity	? 75mm Tank Rounds 4500 7.92mm Machine Gun
Mobility
Engine	Maybach HL 210P45 Gasoline Engine 650 Horsepower
Transmission	Maybach OG 40 12 16 8-Speed
Maximum Speed	45 km/h
Protection
Armor	Front	Side	Back
Hull	100	80	80
Turret	100	45	45

 

Tiger I (KwK 43)

 

WIP

VK 45.02 (H)

WIP

Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger Ausf. B

WIP

 

 

Sources

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Panzer Tracts No.4 - Panzerkampfwagen IV Grosstraktor to Panzerbefehlswagen IV

Germany's Tiger Tanks D.W. to Tiger I

Panzer Tracts No.6 - D.W. to E-100 

Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two

 

 

Legacy Content

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Independent German Heavy Tank Line  

   UPDATED

 Added new sources and photos related to VK-Turm and VK 65.01 (H) and finalized version of Independent Heavy Line.

 

  Yet another German independent heavy tank line proposal since all the other proposal fell into obscurity and quite old I wanted to bring it back. I managed find enough tanks to fill the line starting from 2.7 1.3 to 5.7 BR range.

 

WHY?

   Well we all know how famous Tiger I is. In War Thunder Tiger I suffers very low win rate since most of the Tiger player rushes to Tiger I without actually learning how to use it properly and jump from Pz. III is not helping at all. So increasing number of tanks with similar playstyles at lower tiers would help newer players to earn the necessary experience before using Tigers. With addition of VK-Serie tanks, which eventually evolved into what is now Tiger I, new players will have chance to play tanks similar playstyle to Tiger I.

 

So let's get started. 

 

Durchbruchswagen and VK 30.01 

 

   Durchbruchswagen project came into existence in 1937 after Wa Prüf 6 asked Henschel to design a chassis. Durchbruchswagen designation later referred as VK 30.01 Old Desing yet old designation did not dropped. First chassis assembled from soft steel with thickness of 50mm all-around and powered by Maybach HL 120 TR and weighted around 30 tonnes. 

 

   Only image of Durchbruchswagen's chassis I could find online, probably one of the three produced chassis yet I only find one chassis number (33600)  in Germany's Tiger Tanks D.W. to Tiger I: 

 

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(Taken from Tank Encyclopedia, Source: Tiger and its Variants)

 

   

 After testing of Durchbruchswagen,  Wa Prüf 6 greenlighted development of a new 30 ton panzer. New chassis builty by Henschel with lessons learned from Durchbruchswagen project, generally chassis remained the same only with automotive improvements. This new VK 30.01 powered by 300hp Maybach HL 116 engine and weighted around 32 to 40 tonnes. 

 

   One VK 30.01 chassis fitted with VK-Turm turret 

 

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Specifications

 

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D.W. Versuchsurm and VK 30.01 Versuchsurm

  On 24 June 1938 Wa Prüf 6 awarded Krupp with contract to copmlete a D.W. Versuchsurm with wall thickness of 50mm, mantlet of 20mm and roof 15mm and was to house short-barreled 7.5 cm KwK 37 L/24. Krupp completed the turret in 26 May 1939. Sadly, I could not find any images of D.W. Versuchsurm but in "Germany's Tiger Tanks D.W. to Tiger I" there is a turret number of (1523D). On 29 January 1940 Wa Prüf 6 awarded Krupp to produce eight fully operational  0-Serie VK 30.01 turrets. One of the turrets mated with hull and remaining turrets used in Atlantikwall and Westwall. Both turrets desinged to house short-barreled 7.5 cm KwK 37 L/24.

 

  Here are few images of VK 30.01 Turrets used as fortificaiton:

 

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  Technical drawings of VK-Turm

 

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VK 36.01

 This project started as 30ton panzer with 10.5cm gun. In 1941 10.5cm gun dropped in favor of tape-bored Waffe 0725. Modified version of VK-Turm produced yet never fitted. This chassis had armor thickness of 100mm on the front, 60 at sides and back. 

 

Images of the chassis:

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Images of the incompleted turret:

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Specifications

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VK.45.01 (H)

 

 Essentially very early production of Tiger I. It was fitted with Vorpanzer add-on armor and had little diferrences in its chassis. It is not particualrly different than other two Tiger's, so it would be redundant addition to the research tree. It should be included as either as Battlepass or event reward.

 

 

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Tiger I H2 (7.5 cm KwK 42)

 

  It's already passed to the devs I, since it's on Tiger chassis I wanted to include it in my suggestion. 

 

 

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VK 65.01

 

 I could not find reliable information about this tank. Basically up-armored VK30.01 with 80mm all-around armor. Found sources mentioning VK 60.01 (H) and there is atleast one prototype in mild steel built. 

 

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Research Tr ee (OUTDATED)

 

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  Lates Tech Tree  

 

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    About BR's I'm no expert on this matter but Durchbruchswagen at 2.7BR, slightly higher than Pz.IV F1, VK 30.01 at 3.0BR, I don't know where to place VK 36.01's as their armor nearly identical to Tiger I's and Waffe 0725 somewhat different gun, VK 45.01(H) at 5.0/5.3 I really don't want to lower Tiger's BR as VK 45.01 identical, Tiger H2 folder with Tiger H1. Take my suggestions with grain of salt.

 

   Most of the tanks I presented so far either tank itself or its component build yet not put in together. So I don't think those designs are paper-panzer yet some of them are not fully intact. I have excluded all the other gun proposals and desing that I could not obtain reliable information but feel free to share if you have anything on them. I am doing such suggestion for the first time so all the constructive criticisms to both suggestion itself and to my English are welcomed. 

 

Sources

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https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=222707

Germany's Tiger Tanks D.W. to Tiger I, Design, Production & Modifications, Thomas L. Jentz, Hilary L. Doyle

Panzer Tracts 6

Panzer Tracts 20-1

Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two by Peter Chamberlain and Hilary Doyle 

Other forum suggestions

 

 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Dewastor

[leroyonly 4,311]

Open for discussion. 

[PrussianOwl 442]

I'd definitely like to see the VK 30.01, VK 36.01, VK 45.01 H, and Tiger I H2 in the tree, but the VK 65.01 is definitely paper. +1 to all but the VK 65.01 unless we get a paper tanks gamemode. 

[eleks12 1,079]

I would personally love to see these vehicles ingame. But Personally i don't see the need to move the Panzer 3,s away from the Tiger line.

 

So +1 for the vehicles. even the paper Tiger H2 and +0,5 for the Heavy tank line.

[Solarmod 1,204]

+1 for the vehicles except for the VK 65.01, and +0.5 for the line as a whole, I'd rather minimize paper/prototypes in the actual tree. 

[Ghostmaxi 873]

Well i dont care, but i would love to see the 105 in game

[lLiberté 345]

   Did a little more digging and found another source mentioning VK 65.01 with a info card. According to this book one mild steel prototype built. This model also has distinctive turret for machinegun. Yet still there is no photos of the vehicle to prove if its actually built and tested.

 

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Source: Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two by Peter Chamberlain and Hilary Doyle 

[GetDunced 0]

DW would be redundant with addition of the VK 30.

 

VK 30.01 is essentially a worse Pz. III N but seems like a fair edition at 2.7, but honestly could be a good heavy for the German 2.3 line up instead.

 

VK 36.01 would make a capable 5.0 if it arrived with Waffe 0725. The gun is a 7.5 to 5.5cm squeeze bore and has some lovely penetration capabilities but the shell is basically just an APCR round which would greatly reduce effective firepower. To me this vehicle seems like a good competitor to the KV-85 and could close the gap between Pz. III M and Tiger. I'm not sure how I feel about the 10.5 cm version as the design never developed before the switch to the 0725 thus much of interior details would be missing. Additionally what kind of 10.5cm gun it was to receive is still up for debate but the 10.5cm LeFH 18 would be the most likely.

 

VK 45.01 is pretty cool though and should be foldered with H1 or a premium.

 

Tiger I H2 I feel is a little too out there. Not only had it only reached wooden mock-up stage (something Gaijin has been moving way from but hasn't ruled out), it just doesn't seem practical in-game. The Tiger and Panther would both do it's job: Tiger H1's turret having better armor than than the H2 turret, and Panther having the lovely upper plate and KwK 42 combo.

[Valcour 1,141]

Main tree...no.  Premiums...maybe for some.  Event vehicles....there are some interesting options there.

 

[Cpt_Jack_Irons 464]

1 hour ago, GetDunced said:

VK 30.01 is essentially a worse Pz. III N but seems like a fair edition at 2.7, but honestly could be a good heavy for the German 2.3 line up instead.

But the Pz. III N is a premium so i think it would be a nice Tech Tree Option

[lLiberté 345]

On 19/03/2021 at 03:02, GetDunced said:

DW would be redundant with addition of the VK 30.

 

VK 30.01 is essentially a worse Pz. III N but seems like a fair edition at 2.7, but honestly could be a good heavy for the German 2.3 line up instead.

 

VK 36.01 would make a capable 5.0 if it arrived with Waffe 0725. The gun is a 7.5 to 5.5cm squeeze bore and has some lovely penetration capabilities but the shell is basically just an APCR round which would greatly reduce effective firepower. To me this vehicle seems like a good competitor to the KV-85 and could close the gap between Pz. III M and Tiger. I'm not sure how I feel about the 10.5 cm version as the design never developed before the switch to the 0725 thus much of interior details would be missing. Additionally what kind of 10.5cm gun it was to receive is still up for debate but the 10.5cm LeFH 18 would be the most likely.

 

VK 45.01 is pretty cool though and should be foldered with H1 or a premium.

 

Tiger I H2 I feel is a little too out there. Not only had it only reached wooden mock-up stage (something Gaijin has been moving way from but hasn't ruled out), it just doesn't seem practical in-game. The Tiger and Panther would both do it's job: Tiger H1's turret having better armor than than the H2 turret, and Panther having the lovely upper plate and KwK 42 combo.

I would put my money on "10.5 cm leFH 18/1" as it was also used in Heuschrecke 10 with somewhat similar sized turret. The problem is being with Waffe 0725 theres is very to no information around and being able to fire only APCR limits effectiveness of the gun. As I said it is hard to determine where to put VK36.01 since its hull pretty much the same with Tiger Is except its sides being 60mm. 

[qpranger 1,887]

Want!

[Murdeer3 16]

More tank on the regular tree the better, more variety. Althoug the problem of these kind of heavy tanks are they are doesn't work as a heaby tanks at all.

[Ghostmaxi 873]

On 07/05/2021 at 13:42, Dewastor said:

I would put my money on "10.5 cm leFH 18/1" as it was also used in Heuschrecke 10 with somewhat similar sized turret. The problem is being with Waffe 0725 theres is very to no information around and being able to fire only APCR limits effectiveness of the gun. As I said it is hard to determine where to put VK36.01 since its hull pretty much the same with Tiger Is except its sides being 60mm. 

I dont think there is a problem, i once saw everything needed, but i guess they will implement the "Historic" pen values anyway, cince its not just useing only APCR ammo, but has a conical barrlel it shrinks down form 7,5 cm to 5,5 cm or so and by that increasing the velocity. its essencially a bigger 2,8/2 cm S.Pb 41 wich we have in game on the Sd.Kfz 221. I wonder why no normal ammo was ever build, like a 5 cm Pzgr 39 with a special matlet that it also can squish through the barrle. it would just be a 5 cm Pzgr with a much higher V0

And as a sidenote, the Waffe 0725 is just the tank version of the 7,5 cm Pak 41 L/57 to fit in the Pz III

Does anyone know how the calibers are mesured on the Pak 41? its L/57 but the barrle is actually even shorter than the Pak 40 L/46

Edited May 10, 2021 by Ghostmaxi

[lLiberté 345]

   I've expanded and modified current tree into something more acceptable. Added Nb.Fz. No.I to research tree and foldered VK 36.01 also moved Tiger I H2 to premium section and added Bfw. Tiger II (H). 

 

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Forum suggestions of added vehicles I suggest you to give them a look :

 

Edited May 12, 2021 by Dewastor

[OsO73 491]

+1!!

[Army31 0]

+1.Maybe it will solve the tiger problem and accommodate new players with heavy tanks.

[PanzerLols43 36]

Big +1

 

Would be nice to have an ACTUAL german heavy in the techtree before the Tiger instead of having to buy the "german" Churchill and KV-1C. VK.36.01 seems to be a good "Tiger pratice" instead of having new players rush to the Tiger and getting killed easily

[CaID 8,996]

while the VK 30.01 is a very interresting addition who's i would not mind to see been added as researchable vehicles, i believe all the other are more paper panzer who at best could be added as very rare even/premium vehilces.

 

if we add the VK 30.01, the Panzer I ausf C, and Panzer II Ausf J to the game, i believe we can cover the low rank heavy tank for rank I & 2, then fall in rank III with the Tiger H1 and ect...

plus, the tanks i named, would give the german some survivability that the community complain to lack in the early german tree.

 

Panzer I ausf C (rank I) sometime qualified as pocket tiger

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80 built

7.92mm Einbauwaffe 141 (do not underestimate this gun, it can pierce as much as the 12.7mm)

79 km/h (but a bit low power/weight ratio)

30mm of frontal armor

15mm of side armor

 

Grosstractor (rank 1)

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6 built in 3 different model (from 3 competitive builders)

7,5 cm KwK

40 km/h

14mm of frontal armor

14mm of side armor

 

Neubaufahrzeug prototype (rank 1)

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2 built

1x 7.5 cm Kwk 37

1x 3.7 cm kwk 36

30 km/h

20 mm of frontal armor

15mm of side armor

 

Panzer II ausf J (rank 2) sometime qualified as pocket tiger.

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22 built

2 cm KwK 38 auto-cannon

31 km/h

80mm of frontal armor

50mm of side armor

 

VK 30.01 H (rank II)

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1 built

7.5 cm Kwk L/24

35 km/h

50mm of frontal armor

50mm of side armor

 

i estimate the BR of the each tank

Gross tractor at 1.0

Neubaufahrzeug at 1.3/1.7

Panzer I ausf C at 1.3/1.0
the Panzer II ausf J at 3.0/3.3

the VK 30.01 to be around 2.3/2.7

 

oddly the Panzer II have too much armor to be balanced at lower BR, and his gun having the PzGr.40 rounds allow a good suppressing fire while having difficulty against some medium/heavy tank. the 80mm of armor allow a very great survivability, meadium tank will have difficulty to penetrate it.

the Grosstraktor would not be much of a hard target but can certainly deal with any tanks of his rank and his large crew allow a survivability

the Neubaufahrzeug is more of a dreadnought type of tanks. a heavy medium tank who carry more firepower than armor.

while the VK.30.01 H have more anti-tank capacity but less suppression. the armor will save his **** once a while without been too thick to penetrate. at higher BR his armor will be nearly useless while in lower BR he will meet a lot of tank that cannot penetrate it.

the Panzer I ausf C is not highly protected, but 30mm at low BR is decent. and he have great top speed. his gun is a needle but can actually kill the crew behind the armor of any tanks of rank 1. it would probably start at BR 1.0 but end up at BR 1.3 because of been too much effective due to the speed and penetration of his gun. i expect it to be favored over the Panzer III in the low rank.

 

while the other vehicles you listed was actual heavy tank, most of them was not even finished. and the German had mostly the TIger I H as heavy tank. if there would remain a gap between the BR of the Panzer II ausf J and the TIger 1H, the rank are cover with at least 2 heavy tank and give some actual survivability and tactical flexibility to the German TT

Edited August 16, 2021 by CaID

[JTRRS 35]

despite the fact that the german tech tree doesnt exactly NEED this would be enough for some pepol to say no.

BUT these vehicles deserve to be represented in game and it would force gaijin to take more action into midtiers

+1

[Ghostmaxi 873]

I just want more 105 guns in thw first place.

[lLiberté 345]

  It's been a very long time since updated this topic. First of all, Thank you for all your effort  @CaID. Since theres nothing much left to tweak or add these proposals are going to be final the ones.

 

 

Heavy Line V4-1 

 

  If this line ever becomes reality that's probably how it would look like. Großtraktor is better contender for research tree since we already have one Neubaufahrzeug as premium, so I don't think Gaijin would be willing add one to research tree.

 

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 In this version did a lil tweaking:

• Moved VK 36.01 Waffe to Rank III to bolster 4.XBR line-up. 
• Swapped Neubaufahrzeug with Großtraktor in the researche tree.
• Tiger I H2 moved to premium section.
• VK 45.01 (essentially very early Tiger I with Vorpanzer add-on) moved to event/battlepass section. 
• Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger Ausf. B added as premium. 

 

Why Am I Insisting on VK-Series ?

  As @CaIDsuggested there are other contenders for level Ranks but I'm insisting on VK's even though they are mere protytpes/testbeds. VK-serie tanks are what eventually become infamous Tiger so it's only logicaly if those projects precedes Tiger. At first my goal was only flesh the research tree but as I look more into forum posts and books I found some other interesting desings/prototypes so I included them as I updated the tree.

 

   Following tree will include everything I gathered so far including tanks that managed to materialized in anyway, some tanks might not be plausible to add due to balancing reasons, no actual photographic evidence or such reasons, decision is up to Gaijin at this point.

 

  Without much further ado last iteration of my Independent Heavy Tank project: 

 

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Forum Posts Related to This Suggestion

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Dewastor

[Ghostmaxi 873]

1 hour ago, Dewastor said:

  It's been a very long time since updated this topic. First of all, Thank you for all your effort  @CaID. Since theres nothing much left to tweak or add these proposals are going to be final the ones.

 

 

Heavy Line V4-1 

 

  If this line ever becomes reality that's probably how it would look like. Großtraktor is better contender for research tree since we already have one Neubaufahrzeug as premium, so I don't think Gaijin would be willing add one to research tree.

 

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 In this version did a lil tweaking:

• Moved VK 36.01 Waffe to Rank III to bolster 4.XBR line-up. 
• Swapped Neubaufahrzeug with Großtraktor in the researche tree.
• Tiger I H2 moved to premium section.
• VK 45.01 (essentially very early Tiger I with Vorpanzer add-on) moved to event/battlepass section. 
• Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger Ausf. B added as premium. 

 

Why Am I Insisting on VK-Series ?

  As @CaIDsuggested there are other contenders for level Ranks but I'm insisting on VK's even though they are mere protytpes/testbeds. VK-serie tanks are what eventually become infamous Tiger so it's only logicaly if those projects precedes Tiger. At first my goal was only flesh the research tree but as I look more into forum posts and books I found some other interesting desings/prototypes so I included them as I updated the tree.

 

   Following tree will include everything I gathered so far including tanks that managed to materialized in anyway, some tanks might not be plausible to add due to balancing reasons, no actual photographic evidence or such reasons, decision is up to Gaijin at this point.

 

  Without much further ado last iteration of my Independent Heavy Tank project: 

 

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That would help really much with the player experience of Tiger I players, cince you come from 4.0 Pz IV H directly to Tiger I H1.

[N4CR_ 537]

Damn awesome thread and suggestion. I too agree, apart from Nb.Fz there isn't really anything 'heavy' for new players to learn on if they are a German main, plus this also opens up some damn cool new tanks and playstyles for Rank 2-3 Germany. I'm all for it. All the other main 'sides' have heavy tanks before Rank IV. Even the French!

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

Since Gaijin completely took the focus off mid-tier tanks, I've lost interest in the game. I made a lot of great suggestions, but so far little or nothing has changed. If they launch VK 3001 with 105mm gun

 

 

and VK3601 with KwK 40, I'll play again.

 

 

my best wishes to everyone!

Edited December 5, 2021 by _PabloSniper_