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Would you like to see the Eurofighter Typhoon F2?  

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  1. 1. Would you like to see the Eurofighter Typhoon F.Mk 2 in the game?

    • Yes (in the future - tier 7)
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    • No (please explain why)
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    • Maybe / Not sure
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  2. 2. If added, where should this jet go?

    • Fighter line (FGR.2 line) - it's a fighter jet
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    • Interceptor line (Lightning) - it has no air-to-ground capability
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    • Other (explain below)
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    • I answered No or Not sure
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The Eurofighter Typhoon F.Mk 2 

 

Hello everyone, this suggestion is a follow-up to my Typhoon DA-2 suggestion (interim tier 7 fighter jet, baseline Sidewinder capability, weaker interim engines). Typhoon F2 is the first operational single-seat production variant, the complete representation of the Eurofighter Typhoon. 

 

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(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Typhoon_f2_zj910_arp.jpg)

 

Introduction  

 

Aerodynamically unstable. Spectacular manoeuvrability. Unbelievable performance. These are the words that best describes the Eurofighter Typhoon. 


The Typhoon F2 follows the same development history as the DA-2 variant – the project was based on the technology demonstrator BAe EAP that flew between 1986-1991. Unlike the Tornado F3 which was the conversion of a strike jet into an interceptor, the Typhoon was purpose-built and carefully designed for one fundamental requirement – air superiority. 


The 1990s saw the entire fleet of development aircrafts operational by all partners (UK, Spain, Germany, Italy). The DA-2 (UK) and DA-1 (Germany) variants took the skies at such an early time frame, the EJ200 engines and ECR-90 radar were not yet ready (thereby flying with the RB.199 engines, without radar). It was 1997-2000 when they received the radar and full avionics for the time.


 The early 2000s saw the retirement of development variants and introduction of production variants. These production standard aircrafts were initially introduced as ‘Instrumented production aircrafts (IPA)’, the UK developed the IPA1 (two-seats, became the Typhoon T1) and IPA5 (single-seat, became the Typhoon F2). During this time period, ASRAAM had already seen flight trials with the DA-2 and was therefore ready – hence why one of the IPA5 variant’s first flight in 2004 was with 2x ASRAAM. However, this does not exclude the use of AIM-9L which was continued by the IPA variants and interchangeable with ASRAAM.  


On the other hand, a drawback of the F.Mk 2 was no air-to-ground capabilities, it was entirely air-to-air. However, it wasn’t long until the F.Mk 2 was upgraded to include air-to-ground capabilities, thereby becoming the ‘FGR.4’ from 2008 (multi-role). This wouldn't be an issue in the game because of other air-to-ground platforms such as the Tornado GR1 and Jaguars. 

 

 

Placement in the game and balance 
 

The Typhoon F.Mk 2 could go into the fighter line (FGR2) because it's an air superiority fighter. Similarly, it could go into the interceptor line (Lightning - and in the future the Tornado F3), because of no air-to-ground capability. It could resemble interceptors in that sense but it's entirely up to the developers. The FGR4 variant (multi-role) would most likely go into the FGR2/fighter line. 

 

Balance -  Without doubt ASRAAM would be very difficult to balance, however, we can simply limit the aircraft's missiles to 4x AIM-9L and 4x AMRAAM. Similar to how the FGR2 was introduced with AIM-9D (and not AIM-9G or AIM-9L). This aircraft is Tranche 1, Block 2 which means it was never compatible with the Meteor BVRAAM, nor was it compatible with newer variants of the AMRAAM. These capabilities would be seen on the Typhoon FGR4. The radar, ECR-90, is a multi-mode pulse doppler radar. But during early days this radar system was standard. It was later developments which introduced advanced scanned array systems (FGR4 variant). In the game we can have this representation, or even a limited representation (similar to FGR2's pulse doppler radar). 

 

 

Typhoon F.Mk 2 compared to other aircrafts? 

 

The Typhoon F.Mk 2 implemented with AIM-9L (without ASRAAM) would provide Britain with an excellent aircraft to counter air superiority fighters in other nations - e.g. F-16, F-15, MiG29, F-14 Mirage 2000.

 

  • Although AIM-9L could begin to show its limitations compared to AIM-9M, R-73, Magic 2...etc, the aircraft's power, manoeuvrability and performance would create a challenging, effective and competitive fighter jet. 


I think this airframe could be one of the most important additions to counter the aforementioned jets. There are no other alternatives (from Britain) that can challenge these aircrafts; they were not designed for air superiority (Tornado F3, Tornado GR1, Harriers and Jaguars).

 

 

Could the production variants (RAF) carry AIM-9L? 

 

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Typhoon IPA1 in flight trials with AIM-9L in 2006. Photograph from the Eurofighter Typhoon website - multimedia. Highlights interchangeability between AIM-9L and ASRAAM, and AIM-9L compatibility.   

 

Can it carry 4x AIM-9L?

 

The quick reaction alert equipment is usually 4x short-range AAMs and 4x long-range AAMs.

 

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Typhoon F.Mk 2 with 4x ASRAAM and 4x AMRAAM. Photograph is from the Eurofighter Typhoon website - multimedia. 

 

 

Flight characteristics - what is the Typhoon like to fly?

 

The aircraft features a delta design combined with canards to facilitate both high speed and low speed manoeuvrability. The design further enhances manoeuvrability by incorporating relaxed stability, fly-by-wire controls, flaperons and leading edge slats. The end result allows for "care-free" handling, significantly reducing the probability for the pilot to lose control over the aircraft. 

 

Owing to the lightweight construction of the airframe (70% made of carbon composites!), the EJ200 engines can provide an impressive thrust to weight ratio of 1.15 (interceptor configuration).

 

We would also see one of the first models of 'missile approach warning system' on this aircraft - in the game this would greatly enhance survivability. It would be a defining aspect of tier 7 I look forward to, truly separating tier 7 from tier 6!

 

 

Specifications: 

 

General characteristics:

 

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 15.96 m (52 ft 4 in)
  • Wingspan: 10.95 m (35 ft 11 in)
  • Height: 5.28 m (17 ft 4 in)
  • Wing area: 51.2 m2 (551 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 11,000 kg (24,251 lb)
  • Gross weight: 16,000 kg (35,274 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 23,500 kg (51,809 lb)
  • Fuel capacity: 4,996 kg (11,010 lb) / 6.215 l (1.642 US gal; 1.367 imp gal) internal
  • Powerplant: 2 × Eurojet EJ200 afterburning turbofan engines, 60 kN (13,000 lbf) thrust each dry, 90 kN (20,000 lbf) with afterburner
     

Performance:

 

  • Maximum speed: 2,125 km/h (1,320 mph, 1,147 kn) / Mach 2.0 (2,125 km/h or 1,320 mph at 11,000 m altitude)
  • 1,530 km/h (950 mph; 830 kn) / Mach 1.25 at sea level (1,530 km/h or 950 mph)
  • Supercruise: Mach 1.5
  • Range: 2,900 km (1,800 mi, 1,600 nmi)
  • Combat range: 1,389 km (863 mi, 750 nmi) Air defence with 10-min. loiter / Ground attack, hi-lo-hi (with 3 × external 1,000 l tanks)
  • 185 km (100 nmi) Air defence with 3-hr combat air patrol (with 3 × external 1,000 l tanks)
  • 601 km (325 nmi) Ground attack, lo-lo-lo (with 3 × external 1,000 l tanks)
  • Ferry range: 3,790 km (2,350 mi, 2,050 nmi) with 3 × drop tanks
  • Service ceiling: 19,812 m (65,000 ft) 
  • g limits: +9 / -3
  • Rate of climb: 315 m/s (62,000 ft/min) 
  • Wing loading: 312 kg/m2 (64 lb/sq ft) 
  • Thrust/weight: 1.15 (interceptor configuration)
  • Brakes-off to Take-off acceleration: <8 s
  • Brakes-off to supersonic acceleration: <30 s
  • Brakes-off to Mach 1.6 at 11,000 m (36,000 ft): <150 s
     

Equipment:

 

Defence 

 

  • ECM integrated into wingtips 
  • Missile approach warning system
  • Flare and chaff dispensers 

 

Armament

 

  • 1x Mauser cannon (150 rounds)
  • Fuel tanks (1000 or 1500 litres)
  • 2x AIM-9L or 2x ASRAAM
  • 4x AIM-9L or 4x ASRAAM (RAF Typhoons can carry 4x short range AAMs, as shown using ASRAAM) 
  • 4x AMRAAM (for Tranche 1, only the earlier variants - not the AIM-120-C5 and above)

 

 

Main differences between the F.Mk 2 and FGR4?

 

  1. Significant developments to the radar 
  2. Later variants of the AMRAAM - extended range and improvements over the earlier variants 
  3. Meteor BVRAAM 
  4. Air-to-ground capability
  5. Improved countermeasure capabilities
  6. Improved avionics

 

 

Drawing of the Eurofighter Typhoon  

 

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(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eurofighter_Typhoon_line_drawing.svg)

 

 

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  • CaSama9000@psn changed the title to The Eurofighter Typhoon F.Mk 2 - Outstanding manoeuvrability and performance

+1 from me, in the Phantom FGR.2 line, not because it's a fighter, but it's more of a case of keeping the Hawker naming lineage (Hurricane, Typhoon, etc...) for some nostalgia. 

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So it's looking almost 50-50 on where this jet should go. We have two possibilities:

 

Fighter Line: Phantom FGR.2 -> Typhoon F.Mk2 -> Typhoon FGR.4 

Interceptor Line: Lightning F6 -> Tornado F.3 [end]

 

or

 

Fighter Line: Phantom FGR.2 -> [commonwealth nation additions?]  > Typhoon FGR.4

Interceptor Line: Lightning F.6 -> Tornado F3 -> Typhoon F.Mk2

 

Of course, air superiority/interceptor lines won't have much diversity compared to future USA (F-14, F-18, F-15, F-16 and their variants) or future USSR/Russia (MiG29, Su27, MiG35, Su34, Su37, MiG35 and their variants). Would be nice to see some commonwealth nation jets fill the gaps when the time comes to make the air tree more diverse/interesting. Same for other minor nations in the future.

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14 hours ago, CaSama9000@psn said:

So it's looking almost 50-50 on where this jet should go. We have two possibilities:

 

Fighter Line: Phantom FGR.2 -> Typhoon F.Mk2 -> Typhoon FGR.4 

Interceptor Line: Lightning F6 -> Tornado F.3 [end]

 

or

 

Fighter Line: Phantom FGR.2 -> [commonwealth nation additions?]  > Typhoon FGR.4

Interceptor Line: Lightning F.6 -> Tornado F3 -> Typhoon F.Mk2

 

Of course, air superiority/interceptor lines won't have much diversity compared to future USA (F-14, F-18, F-15, F-16 and their variants) or future USSR/Russia (MiG29, Su27, MiG35, Su34, Su37, MiG35 and their variants). Would be nice to see some commonwealth nation jets fill the gaps when the time comes to make the air tree more diverse/interesting. Same for other minor nations in the future.

but I think you forgot F-4J(UK) Phantom F.3 is Fighter Line ?

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I am currently working on a fix for the British tree that will see it be taken all the way to Tier VIII. I hope to have it finished by early July, as I am currently busy with exams.

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1 hour ago, oom1992 said:

but I think you forgot F-4J(UK) Phantom F.3 is Fighter Line ?

 

With any luck it will be in a folder with the FGR.2. It doesn't really offer anything over the other British Phantoms. You loose the Spey engines and all the low-altitude performance that comes with them, and all you gain is a little high-altitude performance (and possibly more flares if the Phantoms get their flare load reduced).

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4 hours ago, oom1992 said:

but I think you forgot F-4J(UK) Phantom F.3 is Fighter Line ?

 

I agree with flame2512, I kind of overlooked the F-4J(UK) because it wouldn't really progress the fighter line forward -  without FGR2/FG1's engines, if you equip the gunpod you'll become an F-4C at low altitudes. Without the gunpod you could enjoy marginal improvements in performance (narrower fuselage, smaller air intakes) but the FGR2/FG1's performance improves drastically too. And F-4J(UK) lacked maneuvering slats. All three phantoms had exactly the same ordnance.

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2 hours ago, Flame2512 said:

 

With any luck it will be in a folder with the FGR.2. It doesn't really offer anything over the other British Phantoms. You loose the Spey engines and all the low-altitude performance that comes with them, and all you gain is a little high-altitude performance (and possibly more flares if the Phantoms get their flare load reduced).

but uncertain future F-4J (Uk version) Phantom F.3 maybe add in future

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3 minutes ago, oom1992 said:

but uncertain future F-4J (Uk version) Phantom F.3 maybe add in future

 

Maybe, it's a weird jet for Britain - for USA absolutely because they lack navy phantoms. The F-4J (UK) could be one of those later revisited additions, hopefully in a folder with FGR.2 rather than after it. Alternatively could also make a solid tier 7 premium jet in the distant future. 

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16 minutes ago, CaSama9000@psn said:

 

Maybe, it's a weird jet for Britain - for USA absolutely because they lack navy phantoms. The F-4J (UK) could be one of those later revisited additions, hopefully in a folder with FGR.2 rather than after it. Alternatively could also make a solid tier 7 premium jet in the distant future. 

You have data of Phantom F.3 ? already how F-4J (US Navy) different from F-4J (Uk) Phantom F.3 ?

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2 minutes ago, oom1992 said:

You have data of Phantom F.3 ? already how F-4J (US Navy) different from F-4J (Uk) Phantom F.3 ?

 

Read the wikipedia page on Phantoms in UK service for historical overview. It's just an F-4J that was refurbished into F-4S standard without maneuvering slats, UK added SUU-23A and skyflash compatibility to make it on par with FGR2/FG1. All three retired the same time 1990-1992.

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2 minutes ago, CaSama9000@psn said:

 

Read the wikipedia page on Phantoms in UK service for historical overview. It's just an F-4J that was refurbished into F-4S standard without maneuvering slats, UK added SUU-23A and skyflash compatibility to make it on par with FGR2/FG1. All three retired the same time 1990-1992.

Great Britian Phantom II 3 variants retired with Panavia Tornado & Eurofighter Tycoon ?

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3 hours ago, CaSama9000@psn said:

 

Maybe, it's a weird jet for Britain - for USA absolutely because they lack navy phantoms. The F-4J (UK) could be one of those later revisited additions, hopefully in a folder with FGR.2 rather than after it. Alternatively could also make a solid tier 7 premium jet in the distant future. 

Could work as a squadron vehicle I guess

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On 11/06/2021 at 16:20, CaSama9000@psn said:

 

Maybe, it's a weird jet for Britain - for USA absolutely because they lack navy phantoms. The F-4J (UK) could be one of those later revisited additions, hopefully in a folder with FGR.2 rather than after it. Alternatively could also make a solid tier 7 premium jet in the distant future. 

Alternatively, it could go after the Lightning F.6, as there will inevitably be a big gap in capability between it and whatever comes after it (most likely a Tornado ADV variant).

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The countermeasures system on the Typhoon is quite impressive. You get laser warning receivers, a missile alert warning system, 32 55 mm countermeasure (spectrally matched flare or active radar decoy), 320 BOL countermeasures (chaff or IR), and a bunch of ECM kit.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praetorian_DASS

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I can't wait for this to be in the game. I should really point out though, that the Typhoon F2 Tranche 1 and Tranche 2 aircraft delivered to RAF Coningsby were not fitted with a working Mauser cannon or ammunition for it. This was not added until later variants as initially the British Government did not believe the cannon would be necessary. It was only 6 months after they had entered service when a review was held, that this decision was reversed and the next Tranche of Typhoons received the Mauser. I recall one Typhoon engineer showing me the cannon placeholder when I was stationed at Coningsby, stating that they may as well have put a brick in there.

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