PGZ-09's -2 degrees gun depression a mistake?

[Vassau 41]

Hi! I'm just wondering if the devs made a mistake with the PGZ-09's gun depression. In the dev server it was -10, now it's -2 which is awfully low.

 

If you look at this image, the gun is at its max gun depression. It looks like it can go further to -10 since there is space and nothing is obstructing it. In fact, If you see the metal extrusion circled in red, it looks like the guns are supposed to touch it when it depresses -10 but the guns can't reach it currently in game.

 

What do you guys think?

 

PS: The radar on/off animations seems to be broken.

 

 

Edited June 8, 2021 by Vassau

[jet_17_49 411]

I suspect that the devs may have just done this based on the only picture I've found so far on Google of a PGZ-09 with its guns pointing downwards.

Edited June 8, 2021 by jet_17_49

[Vassau 41]

15 hours ago, jet_17_49 said:

I suspect that the devs may have just done this based on the only picture I've found so far on Google of a PGZ-09 with its guns pointing downwards.

If they based the gun depression on that, then wow... that's idiotic. I feel Gaijin still associates modern Chinese designs with the Soviet mindset. Some of the new vehicles have terrible gun depression which logically doesn't make sense if you look at some of the models.

[tiger7742 260]

On 08/06/2021 at 13:17, Vassau said:

PS: The radar on/off animations seems to be broken.

Yes it is, the radar is supposed to fold down and onto the top of the turret, but now it just stops spinning. When restarted the radar also acts weirdly, it teleports to a front facing position and starts spinning.

 

Just thought I should share the frustration with the forum community. Earlier I had a game where a Vickers MK.7 had its side directly facing me while looking away, but it still killed me due to that my -2 degrees gun depression isn't enough and the terrain was fairly uneven, not a very satisfying experience to say the least

Edited February 15, 2022 by tiger7742

[AUJason 85]

+1， so many chinese vehicles came out unfinished  its really kinda annoying

 

yesterday i was hiding my pzg09 behind a slope with search radar turned off, and the antenna got spotted and shot by a dardo....shrapnel killed the crews.  like ffs it wouldve been avoided if the antenna could actually fold down

[tiger7742 260]

2 hours ago, AUJason said:

+1， so many chinese vehicles came out unfinished  its really kinda annoying

 

yesterday i was hiding my pzg09 behind a slope with search radar turned off, and the antenna got spotted and shot by a dardo....shrapnel killed the crews.  like ffs it wouldve been avoided if the antenna could actually fold down

I feel you. Knowing that things may have ended much better for you if gaijin actually decided to put effort into the vehicles you are playing is truly annoying; this is for me personally the main source of frustration buildup. But I guess this shows how much effort Gaijin puts into developing this techtree hence how much they really care about this techtree.

[CornealMage7897@live 23]

China's confidentiality agreements are too strict，Although you can see the design directly on the model

[tiger7742 260]

@Hinyanawi_Tenshi said in one of the posts in the Chinese section of the forum that the dev team is currently investigating the issue. Now we shall wait (and do research yourself if you have the time)

[Redmisty 828]

On 31/08/2021 at 20:52, tiger7742 said:

@Hinyanawi_Tenshi said in one of the posts in the Chinese section of the forum that the dev team is currently investigating the issue. Now we shall wait (and do research yourself if you have the time)

It was confirmed as -2, because the limitation of ammo load module.

 

I know it's unbelievable because it looks good as the model showed. But in reality it has the natural defect as ZSD63's reload time.

[tiger7742 260]

On 07/09/2021 at 08:01, Hinyanawi_Tenshi said:

It was confirmed as -2, because the limitation of ammo load module.

 

I know it's unbelievable because it looks good as the model showed. But in reality it has the natural defect as ZSD63's reload time.

Oh alright, thank you for the update! Do you mind sharing the sources here? I would love to have a read. Thanks alot.

Edited September 9, 2021 by tiger7742

[Redmisty 828]

4 hours ago, tiger7742 said:

Oh alright, thank you for the update! Do you mind sharing the sources here? I would love to have a read. Thanks alot.

No 

[tiger7742 260]

3 hours ago, Hinyanawi_Tenshi said:

No 

Oh ok xD. Still, thank you.

[tiger7742 260]

hmmm, I guess now that there are some *cough cough*... changes, we will have to see if there are some changes to it... If it is really -2 degrees I guess I'm cool with it, but hopefully some info can be found that proves otherwise :P

[jet_17_49 411]

*nvm*

Edited April 22, 2022 by jet_17_49

[Redmisty 828]

40 minutes ago, tiger7742 said:

hmmm, I guess now that there are some *cough cough*... changes, we will have to see if there are some changes to it... If it is really -2 degrees I guess I'm cool with it, but hopefully some info can be found that proves otherwise :P

Sure, if other players could provide *cough cough*, I think the developers would take that *cough cough cough*.

[tiger7742 260]

17 hours ago, Hinyanawi_Tenshi said:

Sure, if other players could provide *cough cough*, I think the developers would take that *cough cough cough*.

and the search for the *cough cough cough cough* shall begin!

Edited April 23, 2022 by tiger7742

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

On 08/06/2021 at 23:02, jet_17_49 said:

I suspect that the devs may have just done this based on the only picture I've found so far on Google of a PGZ-09 with its guns pointing downwards.

AND WHY CANT THE RADAR FOLD DOWN?!?!?!? Everytime i use the PGZ09 in ground-to-ground engagements, I get ovepressured by ATGMs even after hiding behind something thanks to that telltale radar, unlike the Gepard and its other counterparts

[tiger7742 260]

On 27/04/2022 at 17:26, NAYEONnaise said:

AND WHY CANT THE RADAR FOLD DOWN?!?!?!? Everytime i use the PGZ09 in ground-to-ground engagements, I get ovepressured by ATGMs even after hiding behind something thanks to that telltale radar, unlike the Gepard and its other counterparts

A question I had for a long time. It is a annoying issue to say the least, I guess it may be because there isn't any information on if the radar can fold down by itself. However a counter to this argument would be that stuff like the shilka can still fold down their radar in game despite needing it to be done manually in real life.

Edited April 29, 2022 by tiger7742

[CakeJuniorMan 176]

17 hours ago, tiger7742 said:

A question I had for a long time. It is a annoying issue to say the least, however I guess it may be because there isn't any information on if the radar can fold down by itself. However a counter to this argument would be that stuff like the shilka can still fold down their radar in game despite needing it to be done manually in real life.

Hopefully, Gaijin starts investigating this techtree again, ever since when the consultant got fired from Gaijin. Hopefully the new consultant is more friendly and provide real information's about Chinese Modern Vehicles. Also it is really annoying that if the PGZ09 only has -2 gun depression which is really awful for a radar guided SPAA. 

Edited April 28, 2022 by CakeJuniorMan

[MO_Smart_Sharkon 882]

Update:
From what was shown in 2016 in this very video https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ss411z7pe, where a PLZ05A showed its hydropneumatic suspension at 0:48

 

Seems that PGZ09 with the very same chassis do have a chance to receive a hydropneumatic suspension (Note: only the 1st and 6th pair of road wheels are hydroneumatic)

↓Hydroneumatic suspension system of PLZ05A 

Edited May 11, 2022 by MO_Blahajman

[伊地知虹夏正在点国策 1,289]

On 27/04/2022 at 11:26, NAYEONnaise said:

AND WHY CANT THE RADAR FOLD DOWN?!?!?!? Everytime i use the PGZ09 in ground-to-ground engagements, I get ovepressured by ATGMs even after hiding behind something thanks to that telltale radar, unlike the Gepard and its other counterparts

Because animations take time, Roland systems and the AMX-30 DCA just got the animations to fold down in the last patch, even tho they have been in the game for a long time. Also, hitboxes don't adjust for vehicles, so you can still shoot the radars, even if the radars are 'folded' for you.

[MO_Smart_Sharkon 882]

3 minutes ago, Ens_Reefen_Ronny said:

Because animations take time, Roland systems and the AMX-30 DCA just got the animations to fold down in the last patch, even tho they have been in the game for a long time. Also, hitboxes don't adjust for vehicles, so you can still shoot the radars, even if the radars are 'folded' for you.

I have reported for the animation of the radar as well; just passed a few days ago

[tiger7742 260]

5 hours ago, MO_Blahajman said:

I have reported for the animation of the radar as well; just passed a few days ago

Many thanks! o7

[伊地知虹夏正在点国策 1,289]

6 hours ago, MO_Blahajman said:

I have reported for the animation of the radar as well; just passed a few days ago

I know, i've seen it, but this will only be presented to the devs, and they know that those animations take time, i would guess they source it from a different company? Either way, just don't expect it to be in a "It's Fixed!" article.

Edited May 12, 2022 by Ens_Reefen_Ronny

[伊地知虹夏正在点国策 1,289]

On 12/05/2022 at 00:14, MO_Blahajman said:

I have reported for the animation of the radar as well; just passed a few days ago

• ZSU-37-2, PGZ04A, PGZ09, VEAK 40 – the radar can now be folded.

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