TurbomanPT 1 Report post Posted September 7, 2021 Hello all, I mainly play with tier 3 and 4 swedish planes (a-21, j-21s and Pyorremyrsky) and I've noticed since last week that the overall maneuverability is very odd, I mean, sometime I feel the plane almost unplayable and when turning I feel that the it almost looses control. I may not be a top player but I consider myself a player that knows these planes very well because thats what I use 90%+ of the times and I felt a noticeable change. I've looked in the changelogs and there's no mention of any change but I can feel that in my arcade games. Does anyone else feels the same? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namuraptor 59 Report post Posted September 8, 2021 For the moment , I feel the same but ... I think that I will not be alone to say/think it's a good news. ... and it does not affect a lot my gameplay with them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbomanPT 1 Report post Posted September 8, 2021 Why do you think it's good news? I think they are ruining the tier 3 and 4 swedish planes with the BR change and now this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namuraptor 59 Report post Posted September 8, 2021 Because they are very very strong. But if, by ruining swedish planes, you mean that you cannot kill more than 15 planes per battle, so yes, they do ! Maybe now, you will need to take a more careful approche, and not only... CHARGE !!! RATATATATA everybody is dead They continue to be a deadly threat, but now, when I don't play them, I will attack them with more confidence Stay strong and have fun ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbomanPT 1 Report post Posted September 8, 2021 I understand what you are saying but although I'm not complaining about the BR change I don't like it because I think some better planes have a lower BR, but the problem here is that they are very different now. I think its the same feeling that you said on the post for the US planes are unplayable now. There's just something different for worse... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namuraptor 59 Report post Posted September 8, 2021 Gaijin used metrics to performed these changes. Regarding the evolution of the plane simulation mode, their metrics are not correct. Changing the parameters of this huge game does not only need 1 or 2 excel sheets. Statistics are much more complexe.Statistics are a science. But well, I think this is periodic ! They change something one week, they roll back another week but change another parameter another week ! For the moment, with US, I play more boom and zoom, and, thank to the experts, it works much better now in domination maps. i think swedish planes are very very good in boom and zoom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted September 11, 2021 On 08/09/2021 at 12:29, TurbomanPT said: I understand what you are saying but although I'm not complaining about the BR change I don't like it because I think some better planes have a lower BR, but the problem here is that they are very different now. I think its the same feeling that you said on the post for the US planes are unplayable now. There's just something different for worse... It's mainly based on the guns and how they are exploited...gaijin has been doing this for years...Look at the Fw 190 A-5/U12, it used to be a decent plane until gaijin decided that the option of equiping 6 x 20mm 151's was to OP'd so they killed the plane by moving it to 6.0...Never mind that the nose heavy sky pig couldn't maneuver with all that weight, it had many cannons...When was the last time you saw one flying???...The Swedes are getting the same treatment...Their 13.2mm machine guns act like 151's with minengeschoß shells and that makes them dangerous...So that means they are going to have their BR's raised to stupid levels regardless of how the plane performs overall, non maneuverable, non climbing, and slow...The Italians are suffering the same fate, eventually every decent plane in the game will be at 4.3 or higher so the F-4's have moar things to play with... After WW2 Sweden replaced all their 13.2mm aircraft weapons with Browning 12.7's to save money on maintenance and ammunition...The 12.7 was considered and unwelcome downgrade to the planes armament... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyuser 5,136 Report post Posted September 12, 2021 On 11/09/2021 at 02:04, HochgeborenKlown said: It's mainly based on the guns and how they are exploited...gaijin has been doing this for years...Look at the Fw 190 A-5/U12, it used to be a decent plane until gaijin decided that the option of equiping 6 x 20mm 151's was to OP'd so they killed the plane by moving it to 6.0...Never mind that the nose heavy sky pig couldn't maneuver with all that weight, it had many cannons...When was the last time you saw one flying???...The Swedes are getting the same treatment...Their 13.2mm machine guns act like 151's with minengeschoß shells and that makes them dangerous...So that means they are going to have their BR's raised to stupid levels regardless of how the plane performs overall, non maneuverable, non climbing, and slow...The Italians are suffering the same fate, eventually every decent plane in the game will be at 4.3 or higher so the F-4's have moar things to play with... After WW2 Sweden replaced all their 13.2mm aircraft weapons with Browning 12.7's to save money on maintenance and ammunition...The 12.7 was considered and unwelcome downgrade to the planes armament... I think you mean every decent armed plane will get BR ups. Because I know a lot of decent to very good planes on low BRs, that simply don't belong there, because they will outfly everything. They just don't outgun. Just alone the Ki-44, that is tied to the tail of a 109F4, if that guy decides to dogfight. You can pump several 100 japanese .50 into the 109 though. But that is the usual guntax in a game where the majority can't aim and headon is the most common attack. I've played a BR 7 game not long ago with Sabres headoning Me 262 and - well - everything was headoning everything to be honest. And if one of the players survived the headon, chances where very high he slammed into the wreck of the plane he just shoot down. My WTF face was there for the whole match... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FailBoatCaptain 439 Report post Posted September 12, 2021 I am not sure the current BR increase has done much of anything. Instead of facing tons of 4.3 matchmaking in my 3.7 now it's 4.7 ( with some German 4.3 sprinkled in ) Makes matchmaking thunder just a litlle bit more 'balanced' for the 'gifted' players Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis_one 65 Report post Posted September 16, 2021 They have introduced the same kind of tinderbox-nerf for the A-21 as they did a couple of years back for the P-47. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT_88 342 Report post Posted September 17, 2021 No, there is no nerf for the Swedish planes. Just a BRE change. Also, the last update is causing a much higher packet loss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis_one 65 Report post Posted September 17, 2021 Well, let me put it this way; those who know my name can vouch for that I have a substantial and longstanding experience of repeatedly flying the A-21 under nearly identical conditions. So if I say that they have recently have acquired a greater propensity to catch fire, there is a reasonable probability that this indeed is the case. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted September 19, 2021 On 12/09/2021 at 07:29, anyuser said: I think you mean every decent armed plane will get BR ups. Because I know a lot of decent to very good planes on low BRs, that simply don't belong there, because they will outfly everything. They just don't outgun. Just alone the Ki-44, that is tied to the tail of a 109F4, if that guy decides to dogfight. You can pump several 100 japanese .50 into the 109 though. But that is the usual guntax in a game where the majority can't aim and headon is the most common attack. I've played a BR 7 game not long ago with Sabres headoning Me 262 and - well - everything was headoning everything to be honest. And if one of the players survived the headon, chances where very high he slammed into the wreck of the plane he just shoot down. My WTF face was there for the whole match... That seems to be a trend now, if players are effective with a plane then BR it into non usage, which is a shame because in the hands of experts any plane will be deadly but not everyone is an expert ...One reason I have no interest in jets is it reminds me of Tier 1 biplanes in that everyone headons each other with only a lot faster... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurbomanPT 1 Report post Posted October 1, 2021 On 17/09/2021 at 14:46, Nemesis_one said: Well, let me put it this way; those who know my name can vouch for that I have a substantial and longstanding experience of repeatedly flying the A-21 under nearly identical conditions. So if I say that they have recently have acquired a greater propensity to catch fire, there is a reasonable probability that this indeed is the case. Yes, very true about the fire On 11/09/2021 at 01:04, HochgeborenKlown said: It's mainly based on the guns and how they are exploited...gaijin has been doing this for years...Look at the Fw 190 A-5/U12, it used to be a decent plane until gaijin decided that the option of equiping 6 x 20mm 151's was to OP'd so they killed the plane by moving it to 6.0...Never mind that the nose heavy sky pig couldn't maneuver with all that weight, it had many cannons...When was the last time you saw one flying???...The Swedes are getting the same treatment...Their 13.2mm machine guns act like 151's with minengeschoß shells and that makes them dangerous...So that means they are going to have their BR's raised to stupid levels regardless of how the plane performs overall, non maneuverable, non climbing, and slow...The Italians are suffering the same fate, eventually every decent plane in the game will be at 4.3 or higher so the F-4's have moar things to play with... After WW2 Sweden replaced all their 13.2mm aircraft weapons with Browning 12.7's to save money on maintenance and ammunition...The 12.7 was considered and unwelcome downgrade to the planes armament... And because they weren't satisfied, they raised them again to 5.0.. Tey are just ruining the swedish planes.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted October 16, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 16:58, TurbomanPT said: Yes, very true about the fire And because they weren't satisfied, they raised them again to 5.0.. Tey are just ruining the swedish planes.... They ruin everything, it's called Frustration Marketing...The idea is to continue to increase the frustration of the players until they either acquiesce and pay real world money to lower their levels of frustration which profits gaijin or they just quit which means gaijin does not have to deal with them anymore...Either way, gaijin will continue to devolve the game in order line their pockets...I don't fly any Swede planes anymore except the B-18B, but apparently they have "adjusted" it so most of your bombs miss the bases when bombing up high...This is with a level 75 crew...Thanks gaijin... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4CR_ 537 Report post Posted October 16, 2021 You sure the fire isn't due to ammo changes and applying to other planes too? I deliberately select 50 cal belts for my hitlerbolt that have the most fire chance via datamine. Most of my kills are from fires and crits, not pilot snipes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_grampaw_itchee_ 102 Report post Posted October 17, 2021 On 15/10/2021 at 18:16, HochgeborenKlown said: I don't fly any Swede planes anymore except the B-18B, but apparently they have "adjusted" it so most of your bombs miss the bases when bombing up high...This is with a level 75 crew...Thanks gaijin... I've been using both the B-18B and the T18B-1 lately as I need some fun in the game. And what better fun than baiting some poor fighter jock into stall climbing and killing him with a bomber. Having said that, I've had no problem bombing bases with either of those two planes. It did take a bit to adjust for the delay in hitting the bomb key and having the bombs drop but I hit bases every drop. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HochgeborenKlown 1,276 Report post Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, _itchee_ said: I've been using both the B-18B and the T18B-1 lately as I need some fun in the game. And what better fun than baiting some poor fighter jock into stall climbing and killing him with a bomber. Having said that, I've had no problem bombing bases with either of those two planes. It did take a bit to adjust for the delay in hitting the bomb key and having the bombs drop but I hit bases every drop. I switched back to just the pair of M/50's so now they hit the bases again...B-18B is way fun to fly, I kill a lot of bombers waiting for my bombs to reload since they are already up there and I doubt anyone can claim a bomber spawn camped them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_chaos 1,048 Report post Posted October 29, 2021 Not only has effectivenes been degraded and BR raised but also look at repair prices for the Swedish J-21 and J22 type planes. Effectively they have been removed from the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
