2 cm Flak 30/38 auf Bren Carrier (e)

[Milocat 4,857]

The 2 cm Flak 30/38 auf Bren Carrier (e) was an emergency conversion of captured vehicles to provide German units with more desperately-needed mobile anti-aircraft support.  This particular modification consisted of a captured Bren Carrier/Universal Carrier light APC fitted with a fully-rotating single 20mm autocannon turret complete with a gun shield.  Little is known about these vehicles other than that a small quantity were so converted and they were used in the Balkan theater in 1941.  Due to their emergency nature they were only used in support roles, and later in training for anti-aircraft gunnery crews.  Given the 30/38 nature of the name it seems plausible that some examples were fitted with FlaK 30 cannons and others were fitted with FlaK 38 cannons.  

 

The German ground tree is not lacking in low-level AA units but I think this would make for an interesting premium or event vehicle.  It would also be quite simple for Gaijin to implement; all they would have to create is the Bren Carrier hull as the turret it uses is exactly the same as the one found on the existing Flakpanzer I and Flakpanzer 38.  I would also suggest that if added this vehicle use the FlaK 38 cannon, as the current two starting German SPAAs use that weapon and the FlaK 30 has a lower rate of fire, which would make this vehicle significantly less useful.  The FlakBren should be able to provide the same level of air support as its companion vehicles.  

 

Specifications:  

Length:  3.65m

Width:  2.06m

Height:  >1.57m

Weight:  >3.19 tons

Engine:  Ford V8 8-cylinder gasoline engine, 85 hp

Speed:  48 kmh (30 mph)

Crew:  3 (Driver, Gunner, Commander)

Armor:  7mm (gun shield), 7-10mm (hull)

Armament:  One 20mm FlaK 30 or FlaK 38 autocannon (unknown rounds)

Number Built:  Small number of conversions

 

Images (Swastika Warning):  

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http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/universal-aa-01.jpg 

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/universal-aa-02.jpg 

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/universal-aa-03.jpg 

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/universal-aa-04.jpg 

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/universal-aa-05.JPG 

http://www.materielsterrestres39-45.fr/fr/images/vehicapture/allemagne/angleterre/brenflak20mm/012.JPG

 

Sources:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Carrier 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_cm_Flak_30%2C_Flak_38_and_Flakvierling_38 

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/universal_carrier.php 

https://www.armedconflicts.com/2-cm-FlaK-30-38-auf-Bren-Carrier-e-t11397 

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/universal-AA.htm 

[super_cacti 1,071]

Open for discussion 

But I'd like to suggest adding the photos as actual photos and not links

[Milocat 4,857]

34 minutes ago, super_cacti said:

Open for discussion 

But I'd like to suggest adding the photos as actual photos and not links

 

Thank you!  

[DMYEugen 688]

Big +1. Love German conversions.

[qpranger 1,887]

OK

[Solarmod 1,204]

Yes but please for the love of god fix the images

[Berserker0011 19]

YES! GIB PREMIUM AA PLZ! I need a premium AA for my German 5.7 line XD

[Ghostmaxi 873]

5 hours ago, Berserker0011 said:

YES! GIB PREMIUM AA PLZ! I need a premium AA for my German 5.7 line XD

Wouldnt then be vehicles like the 5 cm Flak 41 or T 34 with 15mm Mg 151 Drilling more fitting? (No, i want to make a suggestion for that)

Edited September 25, 2021 by Ghostmaxi

[Solarmod 1,204]

On 25/09/2021 at 12:42, Ghostmaxi said:

Wouldnt then be vehicles like the 5 cm Flak 41 or T 34 with 15mm Mg 151 Drilling more fitting? (No, i want to make a suggestion for that)

Of course you'd be the first to know about stuff I don't, haha

[Ghostmaxi 873]

12 minutes ago, Solarmod said:

Of course you'd be the first to know about stuff I don't, haha

i actually found another nice addition when i looked at the T 34 again, a Mg 151 Drilling in aparently a makeshift mounting with a makeshift shield with more protection and more depression on an Morris CDSW (e) (Also mine i will do it!) And one on Sd.Kfz 11 also mine.

Edited September 26, 2021 by Ghostmaxi

[SturmWerwolf 793]

+1 This looks like it could be a fun low tier SPAA.

[Berserker0011 19]

On 25/09/2021 at 19:42, Ghostmaxi said:

Wouldnt then be vehicles like the 5 cm Flak 41 or T 34 with 15mm Mg 151 Drilling more fitting? (No, i want to make a suggestion for that)

I mean, I'd take anything I could get tbh. I love playing AA in general and would honestly like to see a rework of time fuze for ground vehicles to make heavy AA platforms more viable. To my knowledge though the 5cm Flak 41 was never mounted on an independent vehicle? Though if it was it might make a nice AA for the TT either between the Ostwind II and Kugel or Kugel and Gepard

[Milocat 4,857]

1 hour ago, Berserker0011 said:

I mean, I'd take anything I could get tbh. I love playing AA in general and would honestly like to see a rework of time fuze for ground vehicles to make heavy AA platforms more viable. To my knowledge though the 5cm Flak 41 was never mounted on an independent vehicle? Though if it was it might make a nice AA for the TT either between the Ostwind II and Kugel or Kugel and Gepard

 

There is in fact a vehicle that mounts the 5cm FlaK 41 on a halftrack chassis.  I've looked into suggesting it before but it's almost impossible to find information on.  

 

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[Ghostmaxi 873]

26 minutes ago, Milocat said:

 

There is in fact a vehicle that mounts the 5cm FlaK 41 on a halftrack chassis.  I've looked into suggesting it before but it's almost impossible to find information on.  

 

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it allready is suggested on some Daimler 4 wheel truck this one could be interesting as well but it doesnt seem t be able to depress forward and has no armor unlike the suggestion

[SturmWerwolf 793]

4 hours ago, Ghostmaxi said:

it allready is suggested on some Daimler 4 wheel truck this one could be interesting as well but it doesnt seem t be able to depress forward and has no armor unlike the suggestion

I'm curious if the "4cm Flak 28" (German designation for the 40mm Bofors) or "2 cm Flak 29" (German designation 20mm Oerlikon) ever had any vehicle mounts. However, most images seem to be Kriegsmarine usage only.

 

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[Solarmod 1,204]

On 26/09/2021 at 16:39, Ghostmaxi said:

i actually found another nice addition when i looked at the T 34 again, a Mg 151 Drilling in aparently a makeshift mounting with a makeshift shield with more protection and more depression on an Morris CDSW (e) (Also mine i will do it!) And one on Sd.Kfz 11 also mine.

What in the goddamn- I NEED IT IN GAME

[CaID 8,996]

On 27/09/2021 at 10:04, Milocat said:

 

There is in fact a vehicle that mounts the 5cm FlaK 41 on a halftrack chassis.  I've looked into suggesting it before but it's almost impossible to find information on.  

 

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do a cross information

 

if the services is yet to be discuss, you can at least find partial information, use it as source

 

they you find information of the gun/turret and the truck separately. make some guess work about the weight and ammunition load based on the logic and you should get something worthy of a suggestion

[CaID 8,996]

personally i would go more for the Garden Lyod with the 40mm

 

it's a canadien made spaa prototype

 

[Milocat 4,857]

1 hour ago, CaID said:

do a cross information

 

if the services is yet to be discuss, you can at least find partial information, use it as source

 

they you find information of the gun/turret and the truck separately. make some guess work about the weight and ammunition load based on the logic and you should get something worthy of a suggestion

 

Good thinking.  That's more or less what I was planning on trying to do.  I'll keep it on my to-suggest list and get around to it eventually if nobody beats me to it.

[CaID 8,996]

9 minutes ago, Milocat said:

 

Good thinking.  That's more or less what I was planning on trying to do.  I'll keep it on my to-suggest list and get around to it eventually if nobody beats me to it.

good luck, for my side, i am not planing to do this one in particular, but my to-do-list is sort of at the end. i am just working around with other project and bug reports

 

i also got 3 suggestion pending for a few days. so i am still doing suggestion once a while