Give T-80U Drozd-2 APS Modification.

[eleks12 1,079]

Hi guys.

 

Today i want to suggest giving the T-80U currently ingame the option to get the Drozd-2 APS as an optional modification.

The reason for giving the tank this uprade is that it was something that was installed on a few T-80U tanks throughout it's service life. And it was recently used in the major Zapad-2021 military exercise.

 

The way Drozd-2 works is it uses it's radar module with control units and panels to detect incoming rounds where it fires it's own projectile after the incoming shell where it brings a sortoff shotgun blast effect to take out or damage the incoming shell.

 

Below you can find spoilers that showcase what rounds the Drozd-2 may or may not be able to intercept. Shoutout to @Zombificus that sourced the T-62D for bringing this info. All the shell spoilers are quotes from his T-62D suggestion.

 

T-80U with Drozd-2 APS.

 

 

ATGMs & AGMs:

 

Spoiler

 

3M7 (IT-1)

9M14 / HJ-73 (BMP-1, SPz BMP-1, ZBD86)

9M14-2 (IAR 316B)

9M17M (Mi-4AV, Mi-24A) 

9M17P (Mi-24D)

9M112 (T-80B, T-64B

9M113 (BMP-1, SPz BMP-1, BMP-2)

9M114 (Shturm-S, Mi-35M)

9M117 (T-62M-1, T-55AM-1, BMP-3)

9M117M1 (BMP-3)

9M119 (T-72B, T-72B (1989), T-80U)

9M120 (Shturm-S, Mi-35M)

9M120F-1 (Shturm-S)

9M120M (Mi-28N, Ka-52)

9M123 (Krisantema-S)

9M123F (Krisantema-S)

9K127 Vikhr (Ka-50, Ka-52)

9M133 (BMP-2M)

9M133F-3 (BMP-2M)

9M220O (Shturm-S)

AGM-12B Bullpup (A-4B, F-4C, FJ-4B VFM-232, F-100s (A & D), F-104G, H-34, Scimitar F Mk.1)

AGM-12C Bullpup (F-4C & E Phantom II)

AGM-114B Hellfire (A-129 International, AH-1Z, AH-64s (A & Peten), EC 665 Tiger HAD, G-Lynx, Lynx AH Mk.1)

AS.20 Nord (Etendard IVM, F-104G, G.91s (R/3 & R/4s), Super Mystere B2)

AS.30 Nord (Mirage IIIC)

BAe Swingfire (Swingfire, Striker)

BAe Swingfire Mk.2 (Striker)

BGM-71B TOW (Begleitpanzer 57, M3 Bradley, M113A1 TOW, AH-1s (F, S early & S), BO 105 CB-2, Lynx AH Mk.1, UH-1s (C & C XM-30))

BGM-71C I-TOW (Begleitpanzer 57, M901 ITV, M113A1 TOW, CM25)

BGM-71D TOW-2 (A-129 International, AH-1S, G-Lynx, Lynx AH Mk.1)

BGM-71F TOW-2B (CM25)

HJ-73E (ZBD86)

HOT-1 (AMX-13 (HOT), RakJPz 2 (HOT), SA.341s (F & M) & BO 105 PAH-1)

HOT-2 (BO 105 PAH-1 & PAH-1A1, SA.341 F & M

HOT-3 (EC 665 Tigers (HAD, HAP & UHT)

MGM-51B Shillelagh (M551, M60A2)

MGM-51C Shillelagh (MBT-70, KPZ-70, XM-803)

MILAN (Warrior)

MILAN 2 (Warrior)

MP ACRA (AMX-30 ACRA)

PARS 3 LR (EC 665 Tiger UHT

RB 55 (UDES 33)

RB 55B (Pvrbv 551)

RB 55C (Pvrbv 551)

RB 56 BILL II (Strf 9040 BILL)

SS.11 / RB 52 / AGM-22 (RakJPz 2, AMX-13 SS.11, Strv 81 Rb 52, Scout AH Mk.1, UH-1s (B & C), Wasp HAS Mk.1)

Type 64 (Type 60 ATM)

Type 79 (Type 89)

 

 

 

Rockets:

 

Spoiler

 

AP Mk I (Hornet Mk III, Hudson Mk V, Swordfish Mk II, Wyvern S4)

AP Mk II (Hornet Mk III, Scimitar F Mk.1, Sea Hawk FGA.6 & Mk.100)

FFAR "Mighty Mouse" (A-4B, A-129 International, AD-4, AH-1s (F, G, S early, S), AV-8s (A & C), BO 105s (CB-2, PAH-1 & PAH-1A1), EC-665 Tiger UHT, F-1, F3H-2, F-4 Phantom IIs (C, E & EJ), F11F-1, F-89D, F-100D, F-104s (C & S), FJ-4B, G.91s (pre-serie, R/1, R/4 & YS), H-34, SA341s (F & M), T-2, UH-1s (B, C, C XM-30 & D)

hprak m/49 (A21s (A-3 & RB), A32A, B18B, J28B, J29D, J/A29B, T18B-2)

HVAR (A2D-1, A-26s (B-50 & C-45DT), AD-2, AD-4, AM-1, AU-1, B-57B, CL-13s (Mk.4, A Mk.5 & B Mk.6), F2H-2, F-4Us (-1D, -4, -4B, -7), F6Fs (-5, -5N & Hellcat Mk II), F-7F-3, F8Fs (-1 & -1B), F9Fs (-2 & -5), F-80s (A-5 & C-10), F-82E, F-84s (B-26, G-21-RE & G-26-RE), F-86s (A-5, F-2, F-25, F-30, F-35 &F-40), F-89D, H-34, M.B.175T, Meteor F Mk 8 G.41K, P-38Ls (L-1 & L-5-LO), P-47s (D-25, D-28, M-1-RE & N-15), P-51s (D-5, D-10, D-20, D-20NA, D-30, H-5-NA, K), PV-2D, SB2C (-4 & -5)

Hydra 70 M247 HEAT (A-129 International, AH-1Z, AH-64s (A, Peten, D, DJP), F-104s (G & J), G-Lynx, Lynx AH Mk.1)

M8 (Calliope, M26 T99, A-20G-25, P-38s (XP-38, G-1 & J-15) P-39s (N-0 & Q-5), P-47s (D-22-RE, D-28 & Thunderbolt Mk I), P-51s (D-5, -10, -20/-20-NA, H-5-NA & K), 

M-8 (BM-8-24)

M-13 (BM-13N Katyusha)

M344A1 HEAT (Type 60 SPRG (C), M50 Ontos, T114 (BAT), FIAT 6614 (M40A1), R3 T106 FA

M361A1 HESH (Type 60 SPRG (C), M50 Ontos, T114 (BAT), FIAT 6614 (M40A1), R3 T106 FA

Pb 2 (Fw 190 F-8)

PI-3 HEAT (U-SH 405)

psrak m/49A (A21s (A-3 & RB), A32A, B18B, J28B, J29D, J/A29B, Sk 60B, T18B-1 & T18B-2)

Red Angel (Wyvern S.4)

RP-3 (Attacker FB.1, Beaufighters (Mk X & Mk.21), Brigand B.1, Cromwell V (RP-3), Firebrand TF Mk IV, Firecrest, Firefly (F Mk I & FR Mk V), Hornet Mk III, Hurricanes (Mk IIB/Trop & Mk IV), Meteor F Mk.8 (G.41K & Reaper), Mosquito FBs (Mk VI & Mk.26), Sea Fury FB.11, Sea Hawks (FGA.6 & Mk.100), Spitfires (F Mk XVIIIe, F Mk 22, F Mk 24 & FR.47), Swift F.1, Swordfish Mk II, Tempests (Mk II & Mk V), Typhoons (Mk Ib & Ib/L), Vampires (FB.5 & FB.52), Venom FB.4, Wyvern S.4)

RS-82 & RBS-82 (Hurricane Mk IIB (USSR), I-15bis, I-16s (Type 10, 17, 18, 24, 27 & 28), I-153s (M-62 & P), I-185s (M-71 & M-82), Il-2s (1941, 1942, M-82, M, Il-2M 1943, Il-2M type 3), Il-10s (base & 1946), LaGG-3s (-11, -23, -35 & -66), Su-6s (base, AM-42 & M-71F), Yak-7B

RS-132 & RBS-132 (Pe-2s (-31, -83, -110, -205 & -359), Pe-3s (base, early, bis), Il-2s (1941, 1942, M-82, M, Il-2M 1943, Il-2M type 3), Il-10s (base & 1946), Su-6s (base, AM-42 & M-71F), TIS-MA)

S-3K (Su-7B & Su-7BKL)

S-5K (IAR 316B, Il-28Sh, J-2, J-4, J-6A, Mi-4, Mi-24s (A & D), MiG-15s (bis & bis ISH), MiG-17, MiG-19s (PT & S), MiG-21s (F-13, MF, SMT & bis), Su-7s (B & BKL))

S-5KP (Yak-38 & Yak-38M)

S-5M (J-2, J-4, MiG-15s (bis & bis ISH), MiG-17)

S-8KO (Ka-29, Ka-50, Ka-52, Mi-24s (P, P HFS 80 & V), Mi-28N, Mi-35)

S-8M (Yak-38 & Yak-38M)

S-13PF (Ka-52 & Mi-28N)

S-21 (J-2, J-4, MiG-15bis, MiG-17, MiG-17AS)

S-24 (Il-28Sh, Mi-24s (D, P & V), MiG-21s (bis, F-13, MF & SMT), Su-7B & Su-7BKL)

S-24B (Yak-38 & Yak-38M)

SNEB / SNEB Type 23 / TDA (EC-665 Tigers (HAD & HAP), Etendard IVM, F4U-7, G.91 R/3, Harriers (GR.1 & GR.3), Hunters (F.6 & FGA.9), Jaguar A, M.D.450B Barougan, M.D.452 IIC, Mirage IIIC, Phantoms (FG.1 & FGR.2), SA.313B Alouette II, S.O.4050 Vautour IIA (& IDF/AF), Super Mystere B2, UH-1D (Germany))

srak m/51 (A21s (A-3 & RB), A32A, B18B, J28B, J29D, J/A29B, T18B-1 & T18B-2)

SSK 032 HE (U-SH 405)

T10 140 (AD-4 (France), F4U-7, M.D.450Bs (Barougan & Ouragan), S.O.4050 Vautour IIA (& IDA/AF), S.O.8000 Narval)

T10 151 (AD-4 (France), F4U-7, M.D.450Bs (Barougan & Ouragan), S.O.4050 Vautour IIA (& IDA/AF), S.O.8000 Narval, Super Myster B2)

Tiny Tim (AD-2, AD-4, AM-1, AU-1, F3D-1, F6Fs (-5, -5N & Hellcat Mk II), F7F-3, F8Fs (-1 & -1B), F-84s (B-26, G-21-RE & G-26-RE), PV-2D)

Triplex RP (Sea Fury FB.11)

TT-250 (RBT-5)

Type 3 No.1 Mod.28 Mk.1 (A7M2, D4Y2, J2M3, N1K2-J & N1K2-Ja)

Type 3 No.6 Mod.27 Mk.1 (A7M2, J2M3, N1K2-J & N1K2-Ja)

Type 5 No.1 Mod.9 (A7M2, J2M3, N1K2-J & N1K2-Ja)

Type 5 No.6 Mod.9 (A7M2, J2M3, N1K2-J & N1K2-Ja)

Type 75 130mm HE (Type 75 MLRS -- exactly 700 m/s initial velocity, just barely slow enough for Drozd)

Uncle Tom (Avenger Mk II, Firebrand FB Mk IV, Mosquito FB Mk VI)

Wfr.Gr.21 (Bf 109 G-6, Bf 110s (G-2, & G-4), Fw 190s (A-5, A-5/U2, A-8), IAR 81C, Me 410s (A-1/U2 & B-1/U2)

Wgr.41 Spr (15cm Pz.W.42)

 

 

 

Shells:

 

Spoiler

 

3OF32 HE (BMP-3)

3OF70 HE (BMP-3)

J.Gr.38 HE (15cm sIG 33 B Sfl "Sturmpanzer II")

J.Gr.38 HI/A HEAT (15cm sIG 33 B Sfl "Sturmpanzer II")

L31A7 HESH (Challenger Mk.2, Challenger Mk.3, Vickers Mk.7)

L33A1 HESH (Centurion Mk.5 AVRE)

M107 & M107(PF) (Type 75 SPH)

M409A1 HEAT (M551, M60A2)

M657A2 HE (M551, M60A2)

MUC (AMC-30 ACRA)

OF-530 (KV-2)

OF-540 (SU-152, ISU-152)

sgr m/38 HE (Spj fm/43-44)

Type 92 HE (Ho-Ro)

 

 

 

Borderline:

 

Spoiler

 

BP-540 HEAT Shell (Object 268 -- it would have to travel quite a long way to lose 70 m/s and be slow enough for Drozd)

DM502 HESH Shell (Leopard 1s (1, A1A1, C2A1 & 1A5), M48A2 GA2, Super M48, RadKfw 90 -- 730-732 m/s is slow enough that ranged shots should be counterable)

G-530 AC Shell (KV-2 -- it's slow enough, but I don't remember if anti-concrete shells act like HE and can be prematurely detonated by impacts)

Kh-23M AGM (Yak-38 & 38M -- a range of speeds is given online, from 599 m/s to 751 m/s, so I don't know if their speed modeled in game is low enough for Drozd to stop them)

L1 HESH (FV4005 -- a muzzle velocity of 712 m/s means that any ranged shot should be slow enough for Drozd to stop, but brawling against the FV4005 would still be suicide) 

L35 HESH (Strv 103C, Centurion Mk.10, Vickers MBT -- 730 m/s is slow enough that at range Drozd could stop it)

M393A2 / M156 HESH Shell (Magach 3, Merkava (Mk.1 & Mk.2B), M1 Abrams (M1, XM1 GM, XM1 Chrysler, IPM1), M60s (base, A1 AOS, A1 Ariete, A1 RISE P, A3 TTS), STB-1 -- equivalent to DM502 & L35)

M409A1 HEAT Shell (KPz-70, MBT-70, XM-803 -- their muzzle velocity with this round is 754 m/s, so it would have to travel far enough to slow to 700 m/s before Drozd could intercept it)

OF-540 HE Shell (Object 268 -- muzzle velocity of 750 m/s means only a long range shot would have slowed enough for Drozd to intercept)

slspgr m/61 HESH / Type 75 (Strv 103-0, Strv 103C, Type 74s (base & G) -- 760 m/s would only be slow enough at very long ranges)

Type 75 HE Shell (Type 75 -- its 720 m/s muzzle velocity is too fast for Drozd, but at range it should have slowed enough for it to stop)

 

 

 

Unstoppable:

 

Spoiler

 

152mm HEAT-FS (Object 120 -- more than 300 m/s too fast)

152mm HE (Object 120 -- 260 m/s too fast for Drozd)

3BK-9 HEAT Shell (T-10M)

3BK-10 HEAT Shell (SU-122-54)

CRV7 M247 HEAT (AH Mk.1, Jaguar GR.1 -- its 990 m/s flight speed is too fast for Drozd)

L1TK HESH Shell (Conway, Conqueror -- 792 m/s is too fast to slow down below 700 m/s at any probable range)

MIM146 ADATS (ADATS -- with a flight speed of 1200 m/s, it's far too fast for Drozd to intercept)

OF-46 HE Shell (SU-100Y)

OF-471 HE Shell (IS-2, IS-2 1944, IS-3, IS-4M, IS-6, ISU-122, ISU-122S, KV-122, SU-122P, SU-122-54, T-10M)

OF-482M HE Shell (IS-7, Object 279)

TBA ECC / TBA Multi-Dart 100 AB (Jaguar A -- slightly too fast for Drozd at 760 m/s)

Zuni Mk 32 (A-4B, AV-8s (A & C), F-4 Phantom IIs (C, E & EJ), F-1, F-104S, T-2 -- 732 m/s flight speed is slightly too fast for Drozd)

 

 

 

Unknown:

 

Spoiler

 

AGM-144K Hellfire II (AH-64D & DJP, AH Mk.1)

HF-5 (J-7II)

RB 05A (Sk 60B)

S-1of (MiG-15bis ISH)

srak m/55 (J/A29B, J29D & J29F)

srak m/56D (J35D & Sk 60B)

srak m/57B (J32B & J35D)

Type 90-I (Q-5 early & Q-5A)

Type 130-2 (Q-5A)

 

 

 

In War Thunder

 

In War Thunder. I think the T-80U with Drozd-2 would fit perfectly in the game for a future update focusing on Hard Kill Active Protection Systems. And i also think this could potentially shift the meta at high to top tier in a better way that diversify the gameplay more.

 

 

Imagespam

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

T-80U current model ingame spoiler.

Spoiler

 

 

Endnote.

 

Hope you guys like the suggestion. If i made any mistake. Please let me know so i can make sure the suggestion is as good as possible. Anyways see you on the Battlefield! 

 

 

Sources.

 

Drozd-2 Active Protection System | Military-Today.com

 

Drozd - Wikipedia

 

Army Guide (army-guide.com)

 

DROZD (Thrush) Active Protection System (armor.kiev.ua)

 

DROZD Hard-Kill Active Defense System (defense-update.com)

 

 

 

 

Simular suggestions and shoutouts.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2021 by eleks12

[ItssLuBu 1,803]

Approved and open for discussion. 

[WulfPack 1,693]

T-80U is already enough variants combined into one. Maybe as it's own thing

[WreckingAres283 4,262]

+1  - However, I don´t think Drozd will have much use in game

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by WreckingAres283

[Milocat 4,857]

8 hours ago, WreckingAres283 said:

+1 as a seperate Vehicle, since I think that this could affect on the BR of the vehicle

 

+1 as new vehicle.

[MCmaddawg 341]

This is pretty cool. +1

Although I'd also want to see the T80UM1

[Yontzee 1,676]

If we see this with the Trophy system and other hard-kill APS like you said before, it would be a good add. Probably a separate vehicle though. Nevertheless +1

[Berserker0011 19]

I think it's too early for stuff like this for now. Maybe somewhere down the line but too early for me to vote yes

[MonkeyBussiness 1,228]

On 31/10/2021 at 13:45, Berserker0011 said:

I think it's too early for stuff like this for now. Maybe somewhere down the line but too early for me to vote yes

how is that too early ? there is flying anti tank munition everywhere at top tier and once it come to the game it won't be a smooth change , so if that happen next patch or next year i don't see what should be different ?

[SrNowel59917 656]

On 05/10/2021 at 13:18, MCmaddawg said:

This is pretty cool. +1

Although I'd also want to see the T80UM1

thats with the arena aps right?

 

[MCmaddawg 341]

On 07/12/2021 at 04:38, SrNowel59917 said:

thats with the arena aps right?

 

Yeah. I did some (not enough) research on this vehicle with what limited time I had. The APS is pretty cool, from what I understand, there's a single charge behind all of those ERA plates. That huge thing on top is the radar that scans for projectiles, once one is noticed, the charge is fired upwards (like a grenade) and starts steering towards any projectiles and sets them off from 10-30 meters away from the vehicle.

 

Well, thats the logical way it would work, I haven't yet found an explanation anywhere on how it actually launches the projectiles (and from where).

[Andrei_bt 7]

it is T-80U with Drozd APS, not Drozd-2 APS

 

By the way  a sole specimen destroyed a few days ago by artillery.

[DMYEugen 688]

+1 but only as a separate vehicle like how every other hard-kill is being added.

[jet_17_49 411]

AFAIK, the sole (formerly, RIP) existing Drozd testbed was an otherwise vanilla Soviet T-80U, which means if it were to be added it would have no thermals and an old stabilizer. If we could have every single minor variant of the T-80U in game I'd happily take all of them, including this one, but if Gaijin decides that we can only have 1 or 2 more (if at all) between the T-80U and the T-80BVM I'd personally prefer to have one with HD thermals and a quick reaction time like the T-80UE-1 rather than a single gimmick variant like this one.

 

As far as T-80Us with APSs are concerned, the UM1 or the 219M would be much more viable additions than the Drozd testbed I think.

Edited April 2, 2022 by jet_17_49

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

+1 as a separate vehicle. Don't care about all the rUsSiA oP cries there.

[Kingtiez@live 606]

+1 as a Drozd-2 Modification to the existing T-80U

[eleks12 1,079]

Here are the last images of the vehicle from the events in Ukraine.

My best guess of what happened was the vehicle was parked and not operational when it got hit by what i guess is Artillery.

 

Also there have been some confusion of rather this is the T-80UM2. To my knowledge ( correct me if im wrong ) This is a regular T-80U upraded to carry the Drozd-2 APS. While the T-80UM2 comes from the Object 640 Black Eagle Project which was mostly active in the Late 1990's early 2000's. But if there is someone who has a source feel free to share it.

 

 

[csla1972 849]

On 4/2/2022 at 4:27 PM, eleks12 said:

Here are the last images of the vehicle from the events in Ukraine.

My best guess of what happened was the vehicle was parked and not operational when it got hit by what i guess is Artillery.

 

Also there have been some confusion of rather this is the T-80UM2. To my knowledge ( correct me if im wrong ) This is a regular T-80U upraded to carry the Drozd-2 APS. While the T-80UM2 comes from the Object 640 Black Eagle Project which was mostly active in the Late 1990's early 2000's. But if there is someone who has a source feel free to share it.

 

 

The vehicle is apparently parked, so I guess the crew wasn't inside. As you write, so it was probably artillery.

[Raiden_Black 1,875]

T-80U with KAZ "Arena-E"

[Zev_Winters 313]

At top tier I'd want something better than Drozd. But sure, I can get behind the general idea of adding APS to one of the T-80s in-game.

[Smoak741 1,140]

+1 as a mod

[Kingtiez@live 606]

The way the dev blog is worded it may get Drozd-1 

https://warthunder.com/en/news/8002/current/

[BlusteryBark6@live 69]

On 26/03/2022 at 03:31, jet_17_49 said:

AFAIK, the sole (formerly, RIP) existing Drozd testbed was an otherwise vanilla Soviet T-80U, which means if it were to be added it would have no thermals and an old stabilizer. If we could have every single minor variant of the T-80U in game I'd happily take all of them, including this one, but if Gaijin decides that we can only have 1 or 2 more (if at all) between the T-80U and the T-80BVM I'd personally prefer to have one with HD thermals and a quick reaction time like the T-80UE-1 rather than a single gimmick variant like this one.

 

As far as T-80Us with APSs are concerned, the UM1 or the 219M would be much more viable additions than the Drozd testbed I think.

Witch one 

[eleks12 1,079]

@leroyonly This vehicle has been in the game for quite some time! 

T-80UM2 - War Thunder Wiki

 

[leroyonly 4,311]

@eleks12 Thanks for the headsup that we missed this.

 

As the T-80UM-2 has been implemented with the Winter Quest event,

 

Moved to Implemented Suggestions.