jet_17_49 411 Report post Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) In all the Chinese T-54s that could've been made a GE tank, why this one specifically? I actually don't mind the new premium being a largely copypasted T-54 (after all the T-54 played a role of historic significance in PLAGF tank development), but who thought it'd be a good idea to put a 8k GE price tag on a medium tank with 10°/s turret rotation? Who is going to want to grind RP and SL with a hamster for a turret drive? How much RP and SL can you even gain anyway with a hamster powered turret drive? Why not the 69-I/II, the smoothbore gun armed versions of the 69 (basically similar to the 59-I but having an actual turret traverse rate)? Why not the WZ132 (1970), the T-54-based light tank with a 69 stabilizer? Maybe the 79-II (105mm 69 with thermals) if it doesn't necessarily have to be rank 5? Please replace the 59-I with a tank with at least somewhat competitive gun handling. @tiger7742 @OddPhenomena @NAYEONnaise Thoughts? Edit: Actually, should I tag the forum mods so one of them can get the devs to consider this? Edited October 24, 2021 by jet_17_49 1 1 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNDM Nirvana@live 830 Report post Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) How bout, no. China gets nothing and it will be happy. Gaijoob, probably. Edited October 22, 2021 by GundamW0lf@live 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonmitri 94 Report post Posted October 22, 2021 I too find the choice of adding the ZTZ59A/Type 59-I as premium quite strange. Firstly its PLA service vehicle. Secondly an Iraqi Type 59 or 69 would have made for more intersting premium material. With a unique camo and historical background aswell the option for soviet 100mm APFSDS. Thirdly that turret traverse and maybe the lack of a two plane stabilizer makes the vehicles mainstream appeal rather lackluster. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llSolitairell@psn 5,730 Report post Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) I don't have an issue with it beyond the cost (and maybe BR but whatever), this, the Prem T-34-85 and IS-2 are way overpriced. For another ~500 GE you can get the WMA301 instead so why bother with the 59-I Edited October 22, 2021 by llSolitairell@psn 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet_17_49 411 Report post Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Gaijin, please convert the ZTZ59-I into the ZTZ69-I/II before the update drops. It's basically the same tank (T-54 with a rifled 100mm gun, same ammo choices) but with a 15°/s turret drive and a 2 plane stab. The remodeling will require very little effort since little visual differences exist between the two tanks, and the thing will actually be somewhat sellable since unlike the 59-I it'll be able to work decently well in street fights and not just act as food for NATO flankers. The 59-I doesn't make much of a collector's toy (not much unique features compared to other early ZTZs) or a grinding vehicle (poor CQB performance, it's not going to do much unless its matchmaking is rigged such that it only gets to play on field maps). The only people I can see being willing to buy the 59-I are really hardcore PLAGF AFV enthusiasts and a small contingent of 14y/o Reddit edgelords with too much money to spend who can use it to joke about a certain riot that was suppressed using T-54s in Hungary, 1956. If I were serious about making a popular rank 5 premium for the Chinese ground tree I don't think I'd be using the ZTZ59-I. Edited October 24, 2021 by jet_17_49 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneDirtCheap 370 Report post Posted October 23, 2021 It's also way overpriced! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddPhenomena 1,015 Report post Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) I'd say they should have added something like an Iraqi Type 69-QM, basically a Type 69 with a rifled gun and extra armor on the front plate. I'd also like to have seen the Type 59-I be foldered with the Type 59, since the PLA used it in significant enough numbers, and it's a real shame to see it cost 8,200 golden eagles for what is essentially a Type 59 with some visual changes and a laser rangefinder. 18 hours ago, jet_17_49 said: a small contingent of 14y/o Reddit edgelords with too much money to spend who can use it to joke about a certain riot that was suppressed using T-54s in Hungary, 1956. I'm both excited for and also dreading the addition of the Type 59-II for this exact reason sadly.. Edited October 23, 2021 by OddPhenomena 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet_17_49 411 Report post Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) @gromvoiny Would it be possible to get the dev team to swap the 59-I out for a rifled gun ZTZ69 or any other early ZTZ with good turret rotation before it goes on sale? Such a tank would likely be substantially more user friendly and popular than something like the 59-I. Edited October 24, 2021 by jet_17_49 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunayyan_503_@psn 5 Report post Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) when I saw the ztz59a i thought it’s type 69 iia is came out finally i was happy but ones again they disappointed me here the to tanks ztz59a and ztz69 iia Edited October 24, 2021 by Thunayyan_503_@psn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromvoiny 12,771 Report post Posted October 24, 2021 7 hours ago, jet_17_49 said: @gromvoiny Would it be possible to get the dev team to swap the 59-I out for a rifled gun ZTZ69 or any other early ZTZ with good turret rotation before it goes on sale? Such a tank would likely be substantially more user friendly and popular than something like the 59-I. No. We need rank 5 premium tank with no more than 8.0 BR, anything higher is covered by existing three rank 6 premiums already. 1 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet_17_49 411 Report post Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, gromvoiny said: No. We need rank 5 premium tank with no more than 8.0 BR, anything higher is covered by existing three rank 6 premiums already. An early rifled gun ZTZ69 like the 69-I/II would essentially be identical to the 59-I stat-wise bar the turret rotation speed provided you don't give it APFSDS rounds (meaning APHE, HEATFS, APDS only). Unless a turret rotation buff alone can warrant a BR increase I believe this shouldn't be out of place as a Rank 5 premium. Edited October 25, 2021 by jet_17_49 Made tone of post less perceivable as being confrontational 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonmitri 94 Report post Posted October 24, 2021 3 hours ago, gromvoiny said: No. We need rank 5 premium tank with no more than 8.0 BR, anything higher is covered by existing three rank 6 premiums already. 2 hours ago, jet_17_49 said: An early rifled gun ZTZ69 like the 69-I would essentially be identical to the 59-I stat-wise bar the turret rotation speed provided you don't give it APFSDS rounds (meaning APHE, HEATFS, APDS only). Unless a turret rotation buff alone can warrant a BR increase I believe this shouldn't be out of place as a Rank 5 premium. I would like to point out that the T55A is 8.0 these days. Meaning a Type 69-II would work at 8.0 and thus can be made rank 5. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet_17_49 411 Report post Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dragonmitri said: I would like to point out that the T55A is 8.0 these days. Meaning a Type 69-II would work at 8.0 and thus can be made rank 5. There's also the early Japanese MBTs which have similar ammo choices and FCS features (stabbed APDS+laser rangefinder) to what is being proposed and are sitting at 7.7 (correction: 8.0 ok I get it). I highly suggest that the devs consider doing the necessary work to swap the 59-I out for a 69-I/II while the former hasn't been officially announced/put on sale and radical alterations to the vehicle are still possible. Edited October 24, 2021 by jet_17_49 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonmitri 94 Report post Posted October 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, jet_17_49 said: There's also the early Japanese MBTs which have similar ammo choices and FCS features to what is being proposed and are sitting at 7.7 (correction: 8.0 ok I get it). I highly suggest that the devs consider doing the necessary work to swap the 59-I for a 69-I/II while the former hasn't been officially announced/put on sale and radical alterations to the vehicle are still possible. There is also the option to omit a laser range finder on the Type 69-II for balancing reasons with historical backing. I can find several pictures of Iraqi Type 69-II's or IIa's missing the LRF. Why they are missing range finders I dont exactly know. Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet_17_49 411 Report post Posted October 25, 2021 As Grom seems to be unresponsive, @Smin1080p Sorry to bother you, but I would greatly appreciate if a request could be passed to the dev/store staff to replace the upcoming premium ZTZ59-I with an early smoothbore ZTZ69 with the same ammo choices as the 59-I if one hasn't been made yet. To reiterate, such a change could make the Rank 5 premium somewhat more attractive (or at least less unattractive) to players (via a turret rotation buff to 15°/s) while requiring relatively little work to implement and leaving little impact on balance as the 2 tanks are functionally and visually almost identical to one another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostAceSagitta 18 Report post Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) yeah...I think Type 59A is really lame.... there is nothing special that drives me want to purchase it D: Edited October 28, 2021 by FrostAceSagitta 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_N4MELESS_ 2,972 Report post Posted October 28, 2021 Anyone has any historical photo of this tank in real life ? I can't find anything about this thing, the closest one is the Type 59-I but it is said that this tank is equipped with a Type 69 100 mm gun, while the ZTZ 59A has Type 59 100 mm gun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneDirtCheap 370 Report post Posted October 28, 2021 Kinda useless premium, with turret rotation speed as fast as Gaijins Chinese helicopter-release... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZTZ59G 19 Report post Posted October 28, 2021 62-1 light tank 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonmitri 94 Report post Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, I_NAMELESS_I said: Anyone has any historical photo of this tank in real life ? I can't find anything about this thing, the closest one is the Type 59-I but it is said that this tank is equipped with a Type 69 100 mm gun, while the ZTZ 59A has Type 59 100 mm gun. Here ya go enjoy these pictures of the ZTZ59A out in the wilds. The Type 59-I and the ZTZ59A are the same tank. ZTZ59A is the designation of this tank after the late 90s early 2000s naming convention reforms before that it was the Type 59-I. Also as far as I know the Type 69 rifled 100mm gun(not the very unsuccesful smoothbore gun on the very early Type 69 we have in game but instead the 100mm gun one can find on all the export type 69s) is externally identical to the Type 59 gun. Spoiler Edited October 29, 2021 by Dragonmitri Fixed some of the images 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet_17_49 411 Report post Posted November 1, 2021 -______- Seems they ignored this and went ahead to add the 59A anyway. Hope it eventually gets shelved like the T-62 #545 and replaced with a less half assed choice of a premium tank. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneDirtCheap 370 Report post Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, jet_17_49 said: -______- Seems they ignored this and went ahead to add the 59A anyway. Hope it eventually gets shelved like the T-62 #545 and replaced with a less half assed choice of a premium tank. Yes, I can't imagine they sell many of this addition tbh. But, to change Gaijins mind takes a lot massive uproar from the whole community and this case I think it's just impossible to be heard. They will hopefully learn the hard way, that this one wont sell so maybe next time they listen to reason! +1 for your effort though! Must feel like banging your head into a wall 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger7742 260 Report post Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) On 22/10/2021 at 21:13, jet_17_49 said: In all the Chinese T-54s that could've been made a GE tank, why this one specifically? I actually don't mind the new premium being a largely copypasted T-54 (after all the T-54 played a role of historic significance in PLAGF tank development), but who thought it'd be a good idea to put a 8k GE price tag on a medium tank with 10°/s turret rotation? Who is going to want to grind RP and SL with a hamster for a turret drive? How much RP and SL can you even gain anyway with a hamster powered turret drive? Why not the 69-I/II, the smoothbore gun armed versions of the 69 (basically similar to the 59-I but having an actual turret traverse rate)? Why not the WZ132 (1970), the T-54-based light tank with a 69 stabilizer? Maybe the 79-II (105mm 69 with thermals) if it doesn't necessarily have to be rank 5? Please replace the 59-I with a tank with at least somewhat competitive gun handling. @tiger7742 @OddPhenomena @NAYEONnaise Thoughts? Edit: Actually, should I tag the forum mods so one of them can get the devs to consider this? oops, I just saw the mention :P Honestly I don't know, since I can't really afford it I don't know how it currently performs. Edited January 17, 2022 by tiger7742 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneDirtCheap 370 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 So, has anyone bought, or even seen one of this premium tank? Wouldn't put money on this being a best seller at Gaijin HQ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet_17_49 411 Report post Posted December 15, 2021 4 hours ago, DoneDirtCheap said: So, has anyone bought, or even seen one of this premium tank? Wouldn't put money on this being a best seller at Gaijin HQ. i think I've only seen 3 of them in all the 8.0 games I played ever since it was released Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
