[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

[Sh4g0h0d 1,852]

2 hours ago, Idontknowwhy said:

t-34-85 + KV 220 i s too much OP. Gaijin maybe do something ? 

Maybe you could provide some evidence to back up your argument?

1 hour ago, *Relicsbane said:

Why are all these topics lumped under one thread? Is it basically a "we are letting you come here to whine, but don't expect anything to ever be done about issues brought up here because it's too much to go through" thread? You can't coherently discuss any of these topics when they are all thrown into one big messy pile.

Topics come and then go. This thread is the containment zone for all complaints concerning alleged "Russian Bias". If you insinuate that "Russian Bias" is the reason for a balance problem, expect to be magically transported here. Oh, and the mods are constantly watching this thread. 

[Leandrys 4,241]

15 hours ago, Idontknowwhy said:

t-34-85 + KV 220 i s too much OP. Gaijin maybe do something ? 

 

That is so true.

 

Waiting for a reaction of Gaijin now. Let's take a very comfortable position to endure the wait, could take a while.

[RenegadeGunner99 411]

Don't play in the range BR 4.3-6.0 (except chaetingT-34-85s) or 7.0 + (except Tu-2s) !

Try this:

http://ww2-games.com/german-br-4/

 

[Orvel 7]

Pls remove Russia

Russia is unrealistically OP

In the Air, doge fights R impossible, Yak always kill U

On ground, armor 2 thick

[fufubear 6,705]

1 hour ago, Orvel said:

Pls remove Russia

Russia is unrealistically OP

In the Air, doge fights R impossible, Yak always kill U

On ground, armor 2 thick

Please tell me you are trolling.

[Orvel 7]

47 minutes ago, fufubear said:

Please tell me you are trolling.

If I trollinng does it mean fake?

No. I do want Russia gone

It does not belong in this game

Never can team kill Russian

[panzerpaddel 793]

6 hours ago, Orvel said:

If I trollinng does it mean fake?

No. I do want Russia gone

It does not belong in this game

Never can team kill Russian

why dont you make them all go boom? 

[Tigertracks 38]

There is a website, Thunderskill, that provides stats on WT players that register with them, listing win rates from the past month.  Some results from a recent search, for RB only, excluding SPAA, with 500-5000 battles per tank, highest and lowest:

 

3.7  T-34(1942) 62%, SMK 60%, T-34(1941) 58%;    M24 44%, M4A3(105) 44%, M10 45%

4.0  T-34-747(r) 64%, T34E 63%, T34 STZ 63%;   Pzrwerfer42 44%, Achilles 44%

4.3   KV-II 754r 62%, KV-2 1939 58%, KV-1s 58%;   Calliope 34%, M4A2 38%

4.7    SU-85 57%, T-34-57 56%;   M6A1 37%, M4A1(76) 39%

5.0   T-34-85(D-5T) 65%;   Sherman Firefly 38%, M4A2(76) 41%

5.3    KV-2(ZIS-6) 72%, T-34-85E 71%, T-34-85 69%;     Avenger 37%, M4A3(76) 43%, Comet I 43%

5.7    IS-1 57%;  ISU-122 44%

6.0   Black Prince 57%;   M4A3E2(76) 43%

6.3   T-44-122 60%, Centurion Mk3 59%, Super Hellcat 58%;   SU-100 45%, T28 46%

6.7   M46 57%, Caernarvon 57%;   IS-2(1944) 50%

7.0   Centurion Mk10 54%, T-44-100 54%;   Conway 50%

7.3   T-54(1947) 58%, IS-3 57%;   T-32 43%

7.7   T-54(1951) 61%, IS-4M 58%, T-54(1949) 57%;   Conqueror 39%, JPZ 4-5 44%, M103 44%

8.0   IT-1 66%, T-10M 66%, T-62 62%;   M60A1 35%, M60 42%, Chieftain III 43%

 

The total results are available to Gaijin, and may differ, this is only a sample.  But if theirs are anything like these they have a lot of work to do to balance RB.

[Flak_Dancer 9,733]

On 23/8/2016 at 6:30 PM, Idontknowwhy said:

t-34-85 + KV 220 i s too much OP. Gaijin maybe do something ? 

 

On 23/8/2016 at 9:06 PM, Sh4g0h0d said:

Maybe you could provide some evidence to back up your argument?

Topics come and then go. This thread is the containment zone for all complaints concerning alleged "Russian Bias". If you insinuate that "Russian Bias" is the reason for a balance problem, expect to be magically transported here. Oh, and the mods are constantly watching this thread. 

No Bias just easy mode xD

[fufubear 6,705]

10 hours ago, Orvel said:

If I trollinng does it mean fake?

No. I do want Russia gone

It does not belong in this game

Never can team kill Russian

Russia does very much belong in this game and they are possible of being defeated. 

[TA4Life 6,520]

14 hours ago, Orvel said:

Pls remove Russia

Russia is unrealistically OP

In the Air, doge fights R impossible, Yak always kill U

On ground, armor 2 thick

Pls remove players like this.

 

Trolls like this.

Edited August 25, 2016 by TA4Life

[Orvel 7]

5 hours ago, panzerpaddel said:

why dont you make them all go boom? 

 

I didn't even know this was a thing. Oh this is glorious. The Russians shall feel my rage.

36 minutes ago, TA4Life said:

Pls remove players like this.

 

Trolls like this.

 

I'm not trolling. I really do hate the Russian Tech tree that much. Germany too. It almost feels like there is little to no skill required to play either/or.

But I rest my case.

[Orvel 7]

56 minutes ago, fufubear said:

Russia does very much belong in this game and they are possible of being defeated. 

 

Okay, sure. But why does it always feel like I'm punching myself when I DO happen to be unfortunate enough to be versed against a Russian team?

[fufubear 6,705]

14 minutes ago, Orvel said:

 

Okay, sure. But why does it always feel like I'm punching myself when I DO happen to be unfortunate enough to be versed against a Russian team?

Because you don't know how to fight them?

[TA4Life 6,520]

1 hour ago, Orvel said:

 

I didn't even know this was a thing. Oh this is glorious. The Russians shall feel my rage.

 

I'm not trolling. I really do hate the Russian Tech tree that much. Germany too. It almost feels like there is little to no skill required to play either/or.

But I rest my case.

Germany also needs no skill?

 

Fly 190 A5 against late Tier 4.

[warrior412 14,723]

4 minutes ago, TA4Life said:

Germany also needs no skill?

 

Fly 190 A5 against late Tier 4.

 

The Bf 109B is a true clubber.

[Orvel 7]

8 minutes ago, fufubear said:

Because you don't know how to fight them?

 

I fight Russian tanks all the time. How would I not know how to fight them? But I have to say this...no one seems to accept how broken T-34s seem to be. I have the Calliope, it can kill Tigers I and IIs from the front (or at least handicap Tiger IIs). Guess what it can't kill from the front...a tier three T-34. Why is that? A T-34-85 has 45mm Hull Armor and 90mm Turret Armor. A Tiger I has 102mm Turret Armor and 100mm Hull Armor. Sure, the T-34-85s frontal Hull Armor is sloped at 60 degrees, but its "effective thickness" is only 52mm. Yet it is resistant to 114mm rockets, and can somehow bounce 88mm Tiger I rounds!

 

 

[Orvel 7]

23 minutes ago, TA4Life said:

Germany also needs no skill?

 

Fly 190 A5 against late Tier 4.

 

You're thinking a little too much outside the box.

I said:

Quote

... there is little to no skill required to play either/or.

 

And am referring to Tanks at the moment.

[fufubear 6,705]

I almost only play planes.  However with my limited tanks games I don't think Russians are overpowered.  The rng bounce people say happens to often never seems to happen for me as i get sniped across the map by Tigers and Panthers.

[Tantor57 10,318]

8 minutes ago, fufubear said:

I almost only play planes.  However with my limited tanks games I don't think Russians are overpowered.  The rng bounce people say happens to often never seems to happen for me as i get sniped across the map by Tigers and Panthers.

Russians 4.3 to 5.3 are very dominant and do not really have counterparts in this BR spread. They are also pretty strong in the 6.3-7.3 BR spread with very strong vehicles like T44-100 IS3 and T54-47. They are not OP but definitely the most competitive in the said BR brackets

[Orvel 7]

1 minute ago, Tantor57 said:

Russians 4.3 to 5.3 are very dominant and do not really have counterparts in this BR spread. They are also pretty strong in the 6.3-7.3 BR spread with very strong vehicles like T44-100 IS3 and T54-47. They are not OP but definitely the most competitive in the said BR brackets

 

Well put.

But I still think though, and perhaps unreasonably so, that fighting Russian tanks is more difficult than it should be.

 

[Sh4g0h0d 1,852]

1 hour ago, Orvel said:

 

I fight Russian tanks all the time. How would I not know how to fight them? But I have to say this...no one seems to accept how broken T-34s seem to be. I have the Calliope, it can kill Tigers I and IIs from the front (or at least handicap Tiger IIs). Guess what it can't kill from the front...a tier three T-34. Why is that? A T-34-85 has 45mm Hull Armor and 90mm Turret Armor. A Tiger I has 102mm Turret Armor and 100mm Hull Armor. Sure, the T-34-85s frontal Hull Armor is sloped at 60 degrees, but its "effective thickness" is only 52mm. Yet it is resistant to 114mm rockets, and can somehow bounce 88mm Tiger I rounds!

 

 

114mm rockets kill via HE power, not from their kinetic energy. 

 

T-34s have 45mm of armour sloped at 60 degrees for an effective thickness of 90mm, not 50mm. That 60 degree slope seriously hinders penetration, though because overmatching is not properly implemented Tiger I shots can be bounced. This is especially true of the T-34-85, as it lacks the high-hardness armour of earlier T-34s. 

 

Protip: Shoot the turret. You are almost guaranteed to kill the gunner or damage the gun, and after that you can start shooting the UFP with APCBC. 

[Leandrys 4,241]

That's not the way HE effect works in WT.

[Orvel 7]

3 hours ago, Sh4g0h0d said:

114mm rockets kill via HE power, not from their kinetic energy. 

 

T-34s have 45mm of armour sloped at 60 degrees for an effective thickness of 90mm, not 50mm. That 60 degree slope seriously hinders penetration, though because overmatching is not properly implemented Tiger I shots can be bounced. This is especially true of the T-34-85, as it lacks the high-hardness armour of earlier T-34s. 

 

Protip: Shoot the turret. You are almost guaranteed to kill the gunner or damage the gun, and after that you can start shooting the UFP with APCBC. 

 

 

I've learned to shoot the turret ring. I usually try and knock out the gun first with the rockets, then lay into with my 75mm.

[frmrfran 114]

Everything is OP to me...I play Russian tanks a lot. My rounds just bounce.  The same shots will kill me in the same type of vehicle...but I can't get kills.  it is amazing.  I was a crewman on M3 BVF and M551...I know how to tank...I know where to aim.  Nothing works in this game.  it is almost like it is random and only for certain people.  I will have one game where I kill everything, then 19 games where I get a handful of assists.  It is so frustrating.  I just want an even playing field.  Tell me 2 direct hits to the front of a plane old Panther in with my 105mm T28 can't even keep him from driving off, let alone kill?  I* can turn everyone in the enemy vehicle red, but he functions.  I don't care if their stamina is 10...that's BS.  Oh, but it is nice occasionally killing Tiger I's from the front with my T34 85