Why is PTL02 8.0?

[torderxd 81]

I've been looking a bit at PTL02, I don't have it but I already have the resources to get it out.

I found it curious that this in 8.0 having thermal, arrow better than the leopard A1A1 or AMX-30B2 in penetration, stabilizer.
Along with the help of the laser rangefinder

Is there anything I don't know about that vehicle or is it there for stats. 

[TheKatyusHATman 1,265]

chinese premium, no better answer

it it was be every vehicle with thermals, high caliber gun what shoot apfsds should not be under 9.0, but even that BR seems a little low

[MotorolaCRO 756]

6 hours ago, torderxd said:

Is there anything I don't know about that vehicle or is it there for stats. 

That thing has Russian levels of depression and reverse speed. It has thermals and a really good dart for 8.0 but that's about it. It's HP/t ratio is a lot worse when compared to similar vehicles (16.8 vs 21.4 of Rooikat MK.1D at 8.3). It has a lot of pros but has a lot of cons as well, in my opinion it shouldn't be lower than 8.3.

 

[CoffeeBean100 2,896]

There is little consistency over light tanks as Gaijin keep changing how they fit rhe game.

 

Are they support vehicles to help unpick the battleground for the benefit of their team?

 

Or are they meant to be vehicles that can go toe to toe versus everything they might face with disadvantage of weaker armour?

 

The lights of Tier 2 work completely differently to those in the higher tiers, which makes some sense as ideas changed I presume in doctrines in real life.

[MotorolaCRO 756]

28 minutes ago, Deranger79 said:

Or are they meant to be vehicles that can go toe to toe versus everything they might face with disadvantage of weaker armour?

I highly doubt it, they have a scout option for a reason. Lightly armored, recon/sniper vehicles shouldn't go straight in to a head-on fight with MBTs.

That vehicle is 8.0 very likely because people tend to play it wrong and overextend. Having 7km/h max reverse speed won't be enough to save you in most cases. 

[Thodin 6,784]

10 minutes ago, Renamed56309 said:

I highly doubt it, they have a scout option for a reason. Lightly armored, recon/sniper vehicles shouldn't go straight in to a head-on fight with MBTs.

That vehicle is 8.0 very likely because people tend to play it wrong and overextend. Having 7km/h max reverse speed won't be enough to save you in most cases. 

 

Most early MBTs (almost all..) are pretty much lightly armroed as well....no problem for 3++ mm pen darts. Except for russian tanks this applies for most nations up to BR 9.7. Armor is just no factor at these BRs, its mostly point and click.

 

Chinese TT is less played than most others...probably the least played one. This way you hardly notice this issue, of that pretty much untertiered vehicle.

Edited January 2, 2022 by Thodin

[Daffan 6,158]

25 minutes ago, Renamed56309 said:

I highly doubt it, they have a scout option for a reason. Lightly armored, recon/sniper vehicles shouldn't go straight in to a head-on fight with MBTs.

That vehicle is 8.0 very likely because people tend to play it wrong and overextend. Having 7km/h max reverse speed won't be enough to save you in most cases. 

Pretty much every tank in this game   plays like a light tank with the yolonoskill dmg model.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CoffeeBean100 2,896]

26 minutes ago, Renamed56309 said:

I highly doubt it, they have a scout option for a reason. Lightly armored, recon/sniper vehicles shouldn't go straight in to a head-on fight with MBTs.

That vehicle is 8.0 very likely because people tend to play it wrong and overextend. Having 7km/h max reverse speed won't be enough to save you in most cases. 

Well that is what I was saying, Gaijin don't seem to have kept consistency.

[MotorolaCRO 756]

41 minutes ago, Thodin said:

Most early MBTs (almost all..) are pretty much lightly armroed as well....no problem for 3++ mm pen darts.

Indeed, but not what I was trying to say. Vehicles like that are made for scouting, not for direct engagement of other MBTs. People tend to use them just like they would use MBTs and that's obviously not working out for the players.

[TheKatyusHATman 1,265]

59 minutes ago, Renamed56309 said:

Indeed, but not what I was trying to say. Vehicles like that are made for scouting, not for direct engagement of other MBTs. People tend to use them just like they would use MBTs and that's obviously not working out for the players.

centauro was moved up to 8.7 when it recived apfsds round, i dont care if the chinese is slower than other wheeled vehicles but if its much faster than tracked vehicles, has a high caliber gun (100mm or above), has thermals and apfsds it should move up

[MotorolaCRO 756]

11 minutes ago, TheKatyusHATman said:

but if its much faster than tracked vehicles

It isn't faster (or just barely faster) than most MBTs found at 8.0 so speed surely isn't it's main advantage. I agree it should move up a bit, to something like 8.3 to start with.

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

to account for the type 59/69 being overtiered

[Savanne 455]

Because... its premium. Thats why.
Otherwise needs to be 8.7. High pen dart, with thermals. That alone warrants it.

[MotorolaCRO 756]

1 hour ago, Savanne said:

Because... its premium. Thats why.
Otherwise needs to be 8.7. High pen dart, with thermals. That alone warrants it.

Since when PTL02 is a premium vehicle ?

[Savanne 455]

14 hours ago, Renamed56309 said:

Since when PTL02 is a premium vehicle ?

Got it confused with the WMA301.

Still, its just as OP as that one. Both are under tiered and needs to be 8.7.
The PTL02 has 381mm APFSDS pen round at 8.0.
A round that can penetrate a T-72 UFP from a 1000m, which sits a whole whooping BR above, and even more.

Or the same round, that can penetrate the UFP of a IS-4M from 4km, the UFP of a T-10M from 5km, and the turret of both from 3km+.
Oh, and the wheely boiz are doing zoomies with 50kmh+, while both the IS-4M and T-10M suffer to reach 30km/h on paved road.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Savanne

[TheKatyusHATman 1,265]

4 minutes ago, Savanne said:

A round that can penetrate a T-72 UFP from a 1000m, which sits a whole whooping BR above, and even more.
 

while being soo much inferior

t-72s and t-64s are overtiered, their "better" protection and pen isnt justify the br

[MotorolaCRO 756]

31 minutes ago, Savanne said:

Still, its just as OP as that one. Both are under tiered and needs to be 8.7.

I agree they are OP af. I just played a match of European Province (Battle) with my 7.3 lineup and one dude with PTL02 was just sniping everyone from across the map. Anything with thermals, LRF and a 380mm dart should never go against 7.0 vehicles. Yet another reason of how balancing from player stats is really flawed.

 

37 minutes ago, TheKatyusHATman said:

t-72s and t-64s are overtiered, their "better" protection and pen isnt justify the br

No wonder Russians have such low repair costs at higher tiers. Most of them are overtiered and overall inferior to western tanks. 

[TheKatyusHATman 1,265]

1 hour ago, Renamed56309 said:

No wonder Russians have such low repair costs at higher tiers. Most of them are overtiered and overall inferior to western tanks. 

not every time, t-72b(89) while being nearly identical to t-72b (9.7) sits at a higher BR because "bepper protection" (and its not like magach with ERA is on the same BR as m60, or AMX-30B2 BRENUS with ERA the same BR as AMX-30B2, but you know when russian tank is 0,01% better than its predecessor then it needs a higher BR), and t-72b(89) has a more than 5k repair cost (not that bad, its relatively cheap) BUT lets compare it to leo2a4, leo has lower rep cost, has better optics with thermals, has better mobility both forward and rearward, has better reload, better gun handling, and commander gun override (seems minor but very important), only downside is less armor and weaker penetration

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

3 hours ago, Savanne said:

Got it confused with the WMA301.

Still, its just as OP as that one. Both are under tiered and needs to be 8.7.
The PTL02 has 381mm APFSDS pen round at 8.0.
A round that can penetrate a T-72 UFP from a 1000m, which sits a whole whooping BR above, and even more.

 

No it can't, and saying it should be 8.7 is proof have neither played 8.7 recently and certainly not the PTL

[MotorolaCRO 756]

11 minutes ago, llSolitairell@psn said:

No it can't, and saying it should be 8.7 is proof have neither played 8.7 recently and certainly not the PTL

According to this it can pen almost anywhere on the UFP.

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

1 hour ago, Renamed56309 said:

According to this it can pen almost anywhere on the UFP.

 

T-72 Glacis is sloped @ 68

 

[TheKatyusHATman 1,265]

1 hour ago, Renamed56309 said:

According to this it can pen almost anywhere on the UFP.

well, its a t-72a what has the weakest armor of all t-72 and even L/44 heat-fs easily go through, but with the bonus armor it can be harder to pen

[MotorolaCRO 756]

30 minutes ago, llSolitairell@psn said:

 

T-72 Glacis is sloped @ 68

 

I'm not a snail or an ant, so that shooting angle won't happen very often. My picture depicted far more realistic scenario.

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

3 minutes ago, Renamed56309 said:

I'm not a snail or an ant, so that shooting angle won't happen very often. My picture depicted far more realistic scenario.

 

then you have no idea about PA or the game calcs

[MotorolaCRO 756]

1 minute ago, llSolitairell@psn said:

then you have no idea about PA or the game calcs

I know one thing, when playing with T-72A I was penned regularly through my UFP so I'm sure it can and will happen.