French Navy in War Thunder

[Magiaconatus 1,679]

38 minutes ago, kkang2828 said:

btw @Magiaconatus Do you think Dunkerque/Strasbourg's 330 mm OPf RC Mle 1935 shells will be classified as APCBC or SAPCBC shells in the game? Officially it seems to have been an AP shell, but the filler ratio was really high.

Good question, but probably SAPCBC would be more appropriate. It had around ~3.6% burster of the total shell weight, and usually you tended to call shells with over 3.51% burster SAP/Common shells.

[kkang2828 1,446]

30 minutes ago, Magiaconatus said:

Good question, but probably SAPCBC would be more appropriate. It had around ~3.6% burster of the total shell weight, and usually you tended to call shells with over 3.51% burster SAP/Common shells.

that will nerf their pen a bit. But maybe Gaijin will be “inconsistent” again 

Edited March 3, 2023 by kkang2828

[kkang2828 1,446]

17 hours ago, Math3matica said:

 

The navy uses exactly same De Marre function except on large ships the stat-card penetration value starts at 1000m so it will be slightly less than the number on the calculator.

 

The problem of SAP is that the penetration is a modified value from an identical APC/APCBC round (i.e. mass, filler, mv, drag. etc... are all the same)

 

The modifier is called K-coefficient.

 

For example, the abovementioned 139mm (when treated as an APC) has 156mm penetration, when turning into an SAP, Gaijin add 0.4 K-coefficient to it and it becomes 156 x 0.4 ~= 62 which is exactly what you've seen on the devserver.

 

The calculator actually computes filler ratio (i.e. if you put 0.1 filler mass it will give you a much higher penetration value) so filler ratio is really not an outside factor.

 

Really? I heard somewhere that the formula is different, guess my knowledge/memory was incomplete. Thanks for clarifying! 

[Sergentbulldog 9]

Salutations soldats deviné quoi au mois de 03/2023 la Marine Nationale Française et enfin arrivé, mais seulement 2 navires de la flotte haute mer un destroyer et un croiseur léger qui son des packs Premium de la boutique. Mais les navires côtières j'ignore  s'il y aura un jour, il n'y a pas beaucoup d'information sur les navires a moteur torpilleur rapide Français, vue que la Marine Française a déjà retiré ces navires torpilleur rapide avant le début de la WW2. Terminé. 

[Deirdre_Ambre 4,164]

Hi sergent! this is a part of the forum where writing in english is mandatory. If you want to discuss about it in french, there is a part of the french forum meant for that :
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/1129-forces-navales/

 

Translation : Coucou Sergnt, dans cette section du forum il est de rigueur d'écrire en anglais mais nous disposons d'une sous section dans la partie francophone du forum où tu peux venir discuter en français si tu le souhaites.

[nxdefiant001 1,397]

On 23/03/2023 at 02:21, Sergentbulldog said:

la Marine Française a déjà retiré ces navires torpilleur rapide avant le début de la WW2. Terminé. 

No

This isnt over yet 

Accept Hopium

 

[Oeilduciel 408]

I just saw your work and it's impressive to see such dedication.

At least Gaijin can't say that there's nothing for a coastal French tree.

I wonder if we'll see one someday?

[Arghail 1,220]

Maybe I'm missing something, so it's not a bug report, rather a confirmation...

While doing a test drive with the Aigle, the 1923DT torpedoes did not seem to deal any kind of damage to the Prinz Eugen used as a target, even though it seems to work fine with the other lighter ships. Couldn't reproduce it in an actual match, and I'm no expert, but if a couple Whitehead torpedoes could finish off the Blucher at Drobak sound, shouldn't they deal at least a certain amount of damage to a heavy cruiser such as this one ?

[kkang2828 1,446]

3 hours ago, Arghail said:

Maybe I'm missing something, so it's not a bug report, rather a confirmation...

While doing a test drive with the Aigle, the 1923DT torpedoes did not seem to deal any kind of damage to the Prinz Eugen used as a target, even though it seems to work fine with the other lighter ships. Couldn't reproduce it in an actual match, and I'm no expert, but if a couple Whitehead torpedoes could finish off the Blucher at Drobak sound, shouldn't they deal at least a certain amount of damage to a heavy cruiser such as this one ?

 

Torpedo damage in general is busted rn.

[Arghail 1,220]

4 hours ago, kkang2828 said:

 

Torpedo damage in general is busted rn.

 

Oh, so it's a general bug then. Well that's concerning. This game mode doesn't need something like this on top of the rest...

Edited April 16, 2023 by Arghail

[Arghail 1,220]

Malin is great, hopefully it won't be the only Fantasque in the tech tree but so far it feels like a good choice.

Still...

 

This probably means there won't be any coastal tree this release... Which is to me a massive disapointment. Hopefully they won't completely forget about it and one day add it... or else the suggestions I made will feel like a massive waste of time.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Arghail

[BlaireauBlinde 523]

I will definitely say I'm looking forward to the Blue water ships coming.  That being said, I also really hope that they drop the Aigle to 4.0.  That ship has absolutely no business being 4.3.  The gun training speed is....glacial, and they just don't hit very hard. 

[kkang2828 1,446]

13 hours ago, Arghail said:

Malin is great, hopefully it won't be the only Fantasque in the tech tree but so far it feels like a good choice.

 

Yeah. It's nice that they decided to add the American refit version in the TT and not as a prem. Can't wait to see the full tree.

[Arghail 1,220]

So, at least let's put what we know of the tree here so far...

 

To that you can add the battleship Paris (Courbet class) and the destroyer Léopard, which were datamined.

To be honest, the fact that out of the 8 destroyers we know of so far (7 here + the Léopard), we have two unique ships and two classes with three variants each, it shows that they sure are heavily recycling the earlier models, that's for sure... Same goes for the Primauguet and the Duguay Trouin. I mean, that's to be expected but It brings me unpleasant flashbacks of a heavily copy-pasted rank I and II French air tech tree. If there's one thing France didn't lack at the time, it's a great variety of destroyers, and much more interesting than the old four funnels designs... like the Hardi class, or the Mogador class. Or even the post-war Surcouf (T47). I know more is coming, but I'm not confident this won't feel completely rushed on release.

Edited May 20, 2023 by Arghail

[kkang2828 1,446]

1 hour ago, Arghail said:

So, at least let's put what we know of the tree here so far...

 

To that you can add the battleship Paris (Courbet class) and the destroyer Léopard, which were datamined.

To be honest, the fact that out of the 8 destroyers we know of so far (7 here + the Léopard), we have two unique ships and two classes with three variants each, it shows that they sure are heavily recycling the earlier models, that's for sure... Same goes for the Primauguet and the Duguay Trouin. I mean, that's to be expected but It brings me unpleasant flashbacks of a heavily copy-pasted rank I and II French air tech tree. If there's one thing France didn't lack at the time, it's a great variety of destroyers, and much more interesting than the old four funnels designs... like the Hardi class, or the Mogador class. Or even the post-war Surcouf (T47). I know more is coming, but I'm not confident this won't feel completely rushed on release.

 

Yeah it's sad to see the destroyer tree being so skeletal. I'm surprised that we didn't get Ensigne Gabolde as the reserve.

 

Bvv_D said during the RU stream that there will be more ships in the release tree, specifically more cruisers, a dreadnought battleship, and a super-dreadnought battleship. Hopefully this means that Algérie and at least one of the La Galissonière class will be there, but in terms of battleships it looks like we're getting only a Courbet class and a Bretagne class in the initial tree, with the Dunkerque and Strasbourg being reserved for future patches. 

 

Primauguet being 5.0 is another case of torpedoes being over-factored in BR sadly. Happy to see Jeanne d'Arc at least. Haven't had time to look at the ships in detail, but it seemed like Colbert's guns fired quite quickly, being let down by the lack of pen on the SAP and no proper AP shell.

 

They all sure do look fantastic externally though .

[Arghail 1,220]

2 hours ago, kkang2828 said:

 

Yeah it's sad to see the destroyer tree being so skeletal. I'm surprised that we didn't get Ensigne Gabolde as the reserve.

 

Bvv_D said during the RU stream that there will be more ships in the release tree, specifically more cruisers, a dreadnought battleship, and a super-dreadnought battleship. Hopefully this means that Algérie and at least one of the La Galissonière class will be there, but in terms of battleships it looks like we're getting only a Courbet class and a Bretagne class in the initial tree, with the Dunkerque and Strasbourg being reserved for future patches. 

 

Primauguet being 5.0 is another case of torpedoes being over-factored in BR sadly. Happy to see Jeanne d'Arc at least. Haven't had time to look at the ships in detail, but it seemed like Colbert's guns fired quite quickly, being let down by the lack of pen on the SAP and no proper AP shell.

 

They all sure do look fantastic externally though .

 

As far as the reserve tier is concerned, I'm quite glad the Bourrasque is the one chosen. It's quite a unique ship, big target but superior guns.

I didn't even notice the Primauguet being 5.0. It's the dev server, it probably won't be that way when it comes out... Wouldn't make sense to have the Primauguet, a worse Duguay Trouin since it doesn't have its modernized AA, being at a higher BR.

Only having the Courbet and the Bretagne is disappointing since, well... The Dunkerque would have felt right at home between an Alaska and a Kronstadt... The 330mm shell is really good for its size though, maybe it's because of that... In any case, I do hope it won't be added alongside a freaking Sovestky Soyuz and a Massachussets.

[kkang2828 1,446]

1 hour ago, Arghail said:

As far as the reserve tier is concerned, I'm quite glad the Bourrasque is the one chosen. It's quite a unique ship, big target but superior guns.

 

The Chacal is the reserve actually. And sadly the RoF on those big early French destroyer guns is abysmal.

 

1 hour ago, Arghail said:

I didn't even notice the Primauguet being 5.0. It's the dev server, it probably won't be that way when it comes out... Wouldn't make sense to have the Primauguet, a worse Duguay Trouin since it doesn't have its modernized AA, being at a higher BR.

 

Nah she'll most likely keep that BR sadly. Check out how over-BRed a lot of ships are currently, just because they have torps on top of similar guns as stuff one or two BR steps below. Isuzu(cruiser), Agano, Furutaka, Aoba, Koln(cruiser), etc. 

 

Also found this in the files:

 

 

The 90mm twin mount isn't used by any ships we can see currently, whether on the dev server client or in the files. Historically it was used by the unique light cruiser Émile Bertin, all the La Galissonnière class light cruisers, and the Suffren class heavy cruiser Dupleix. So it does seem like more cruisers are definitely in the works.

Edited May 20, 2023 by kkang2828

[Arghail 1,220]

3 hours ago, kkang2828 said:

 

The Chacal is the reserve actually. And sadly the RoF on those big early French destroyer guns is abysmal.

 

 

Nah she'll most likely keep that BR sadly. Check out how over-BRed a lot of ships are currently, just because they have torps on top of similar guns as stuff one or two BR steps below. Isuzu(cruiser), Agano, Furutaka, Aoba, Koln(cruiser), etc. 

 

Also found this in the files:

 

 

The 90mm twin mount isn't used by any ships we can see currently, whether on the dev server client or in the files. Historically it was used by the unique light cruiser Émile Bertin, all the La Galissonnière class light cruisers, and the Suffren class heavy cruiser Dupleix. So it does seem like more cruisers are definitely in the works.

 

Indeed, good find. We'll see how it all ends up, let's not be straight up defeatist for now. The 130mm of the early 4 funnels aren't that great, but the competition isn't supposed to be that fierce on paper at reserve tier.

Edited May 20, 2023 by Arghail

[Sylvius 369]

Émile Bertin is also datamined alongside Marceau post WWII.