Our new economy at work

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

A couple of examples of our new economy at work, this is the new norm so get used to it...Flying my B-18B...1st game, Air Dom -  4 kills, 4 assists, capped the zone, Won the match, Din't die and had a 30% SL booster...Results, I lost1474 SL for my efforts, cause dropping bombs in order to attack fighters takes all your winnings...2nd game, Ground Attack - 1 kill, credited with 9.62 tons of bombs dropped, killed 4 bases, Won the match, Din't die and 15% SL booster...Results, after paying for the bombs n such netted a fabulous 4362 SL...Really motivated to try harder so I don't go broke by June...

[DerLachendeMann 506]

I'm just wondering why on earth you took bombs into an air dom game...and kept dropping them too, apparently, what with the cost for ammo refill.

 

As for the ground attack game, base rewards got quite nerfed not so long ago, I suppose that's Gaijin trying to make you get premium.

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

20 minutes ago, DerLachendeMann said:

I'm just wondering why on earth you took bombs into an air dom game...and kept dropping them too, apparently, what with the cost for ammo refill.

 

As for the ground attack game, base rewards got quite nerfed not so long ago, I suppose that's Gaijin trying to make you get premium.

I only have a single plane in my line up...I had no choice as far as the match I got dumped into, but I had been trying to finish the "Destroy 6 Bases" task...The bombs restrict the ability of the B-18B to fight so much you have to keep dropping them if you are going to engage fighters in an air dom match...As far as the ground attack part, yah, I knew they gave the players an under informed chance to change the rewards and this is the results of that change...I might add, I just got done with a losing match and got killed pretty quick cause and XP-55 got way high...Killed a base, dropped 1.61 tons and got negative 793 SL...Dint bother respawning since that would have cost me even more...One and done from now on no matter what...

[Pope_Shizzle 4,180]

1 hour ago, HochgeborenKlown said:

I only have a single plane in my line up...I had no choice as far as the match I got dumped into, but I had been trying to finish the "Destroy 6 Bases" task...The bombs restrict the ability of the B-18B to fight so much you have to keep dropping them if you are going to engage fighters in an air dom match...As far as the ground attack part, yah, I knew they gave the players an under informed chance to change the rewards and this is the results of that change...I might add, I just got done with a losing match and got killed pretty quick cause and XP-55 got way high...Killed a base, dropped 1.61 tons and got negative 793 SL...Dint bother respawning since that would have cost me even more...One and done from now on no matter what...

 

You get to change your loadout before you spawn.  Which means when you see its Air Dom, just don't take bombs.  Also, if you use a backup, the repair cost from your first death disappears.  All that matters is the condition of the plane when the match ends.  You could have spawned again and even if you died, only paid the one repair cost.  That's the lesser known benefit of using backups.  

Edited March 6, 2022 by Pope_Shizzle

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

I thought about that and was looking for the twin rockets when I spawned in...I've switched out before and forgot to change back in the next match a few times...I read about the backup in another thread a while back and I have used backups to help spade a plane when I need to...With spaded planes I almost never use a backup or have other planes in the lineup...I play a certain way and gaijin "fixes" it for me...

[Nishizawa_Hime 1]

On 06/03/2022 at 02:28, Pope_Shizzle said:

 

You get to change your loadout before you spawn.  Which means when you see its Air Dom, just don't take bombs.  Also, if you use a backup, the repair cost from your first death disappears.  All that matters is the condition of the plane when the match ends.  You could have spawned again and even if you died, only paid the one repair cost.  That's the lesser known benefit of using backups.  

 

I often used the back-up trick when playing ground AB... Can be quite useful when you play some super expensive tanks, like the Kugelblitz used to be at nearly 30K of repair, wait for the game to nearly end, and spawn in with it using a back up, the spawn protection lasts for quite a while if you don't move. And then you get a brand new tank that doesn't cost a penny to repair.

 

 

On 06/03/2022 at 05:16, HochgeborenKlown said:

I thought about that and was looking for the twin rockets when I spawned in...I've switched out before and forgot to change back in the next match a few times...I read about the backup in another thread a while back and I have used backups to help spade a plane when I need to...With spaded planes I almost never use a backup or have other planes in the lineup...I play a certain way and gaijin "fixes" it for me...

 

 

Probably because air AB isn't meant for you to use only one plane actually, this kills the game for other players who then end up with empty teams... That's what's making high tier so frustrating recently, with plenty people using premium planes, and having only that....

Edited March 9, 2022 by Nishizawa_Hime

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

On 09/03/2022 at 06:12, Nishizawa_Hime said:

 

I often used the back-up trick when playing ground AB... Can be quite useful when you play some super expensive tanks, like the Kugelblitz used to be at nearly 30K of repair, wait for the game to nearly end, and spawn in with it using a back up, the spawn protection lasts for quite a while if you don't move. And then you get a brand new tank that doesn't cost a penny to repair.

 

 

 

 

Probably because air AB isn't meant for you to use only one plane actually, this kills the game for other players who then end up with empty teams... That's what's making high tier so frustrating recently, with plenty people using premium planes, and having only that....

According to the current crop of AB "experts" they are there to have fun and if I want to play serious I need to go to RB...Their attitude along with the new economy has changed what I do from trying to win to not caring in the least about anyone else except myself...I won't fly anything above 5.0 anymore, all the planes I have above that BR just sit in the hanger...The people flying a single high tier premium are a direct result of gaijins marketing campaign...

[PARAMI 478]

The B18 doesn't have a "no bomb" preset AFAIK. The easy thing to do is to take a ton of little bombs, and drop all but one so you don't reload. You won't lose any performance from having one 50 kg hanging around, and you won't have to throw away SL. Either way, the B18 is a super low tier plane and probably doesn't have a high SL modifier, so you won't be making much money in either case. 

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

14 hours ago, PARAMI said:

The B18 doesn't have a "no bomb" preset AFAIK. The easy thing to do is to take a ton of little bombs, and drop all but one so you don't reload. You won't lose any performance from having one 50 kg hanging around, and you won't have to throw away SL. Either way, the B18 is a super low tier plane and probably doesn't have a high SL modifier, so you won't be making much money in either case. 

I've thought about that also, the bomb sight is very distracting to me...Ideally I should go practice on test missions just carrying a single small bomb and learn to ignore the bomb sight...

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

Still loving this new economy, get paid to get shot down multiple times...So fun and rewarding...

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

If you want to score and finish in the upper part of the team you will need to die multiple times with "our new economy", otherwise you just have no chance so be sure to die many times for better rewards...

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

Well, I must admit, I like the new economy:

[Bruce_R1 2,118]

1 hour ago, Dodo_Dud said:

Well, I must admit, I like the new economy:

 

Only 91% huh? You're getting slow, old man

 

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

47 minutes ago, Bruce_R1 said:

Only 91% huh? You're getting slow, old man

 

 

Didn't want to forfeit Survivor.

 

Here another example of the new economy, a lost game, no boosters, T1 free plane with lowest reward possible. Still 90.000 SL total in 10 minutes. And even more important, ~200 crew XP.

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

Misleading at best, I am not paying for a premium account and your second SS has 2/3 of your SL as a one time bonus...

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

Don't try, Just die, many times...You get paid to die with our new economy...

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

13 hours ago, HochgeborenKlown said:

Don't try, Just die, many times...You get paid to die with our new economy...

Hard to figure your point.

[AngelPG2100 319]

On 09/05/2022 at 15:53, Dodo_Dud said:

Well, I must admit, I like the new economy:

Premium plane + premium account (did you have a booster?)

You can't compare that to normal plane + normal account

On 16/05/2022 at 12:07, Dodo_Dud said:

Hard to figure your point.

Look at how other people with more or less same kills + same AI kills have way much more score
He's saying that if you don't die you don't get battle score, and tbf it looks like it works that way

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

2 hours ago, AngelPG2100 said:

Premium plane + premium account (did you have a booster?)

Sure I had a booster (300% iirc).

 

2 hours ago, AngelPG2100 said:

You can't compare that to normal plane + normal account

I didn't pay money for the premium plane nor for the premium time. The premium plane used would cost about as much as a coffee, if you buy it during a sale. It took under 8 minutes to earn over 300000SL. My next screen shows you a low free tree vehicle in a lost game. If you ignore the frequent trophies, still 30.000 SL in 10 minutes.

 

2 hours ago, AngelPG2100 said:

Look at how other people with more or less same kills + same AI kills have way much more score

But it isn't apparent what he killed exactly. There are ground targets (AAA) you get a dozen per bomb and those that require a precision drop (heavy tank). And if he just attacked low tiers, he isn't going to get the same score as if he attacked the better planes. Without seeing more of the match, it is hard to tell. Besides, he plays arcade and then criticizes people for dying. The difference in score is not from dying. A death doesn't pay well in arcade. In realistic, you can grind even by dying, but in arcade, that won't work.

 

 

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

I was up tiered in that match...Killing bombers in a bomber doesn't pay...Killing GT's up high doesn't pay...You want rewards you have to fly 1 meter off the ground and die many times in the fur ball...Here is a comparison in a match...Chilly flew into and died repeatedly in the furball...I killed bombers coming in and bombed pillboxes...I was in my B18B, despite my flying in arcade and seeing no point in endless suicides...

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

So he got 155 points for the 3 deaths, for which he also has to pay repairs. My guess: The repairs willoutweigh the extra income from the score. As he got substantially more points from air kills, he must have killed planes that were higher in BR differential than what you killed.

[wafflehunter 0]

I dont know much about the new changes to the economy but i have notices a huge difference in research pace and i must say i do not approve. i much enjoyed the fast paced research of the previous economy change simply because i could go to work during the week. sleep. game fore 2-3 hours a day and still get a new vehicle once a week and i enjoyed this because it allowed a new change of gameplay each week. but now because everything has been nerfed it gets frustrating to pay repairs/ammo/vehicles simply because the SL/RP output just isnt there. even with a premium account. i will say i am not any good at this game to begin with. but because of this new change its almost like they are punishing me for being bad and making my climb to top tier a crawling pace. i simply do not have time to sit for 9-10 hours a day to meet the same pace as previously. the game is no longer for fun it is a chore. it also gets very boring when all of my friends have stopped playing because of this reason and it kills any type of motivation to play at all. i hope a better change comes soon because i really love this game, there are no others out there like it but this recent change has killed any motivation to play. 

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

4 hours ago, wafflehunter said:

I dont know much about the new changes to the economy but i have notices a huge difference in research pace and i must say i do not approve. i much enjoyed the fast paced research of the previous economy change simply because i could go to work during the week. sleep. game fore 2-3 hours a day and still get a new vehicle once a week and i enjoyed this because it allowed a new change of gameplay each week. but now because everything has been nerfed it gets frustrating to pay repairs/ammo/vehicles simply because the SL/RP output just isnt there. even with a premium account. i will say i am not any good at this game to begin with. but because of this new change its almost like they are punishing me for being bad and making my climb to top tier a crawling pace. i simply do not have time to sit for 9-10 hours a day to meet the same pace as previously. the game is no longer for fun it is a chore. it also gets very boring when all of my friends have stopped playing because of this reason and it kills any type of motivation to play at all. i hope a better change comes soon because i really love this game, there are no others out there like it but this recent change has killed any motivation to play. 

 

Sounds to me as if your problem has nothing to do with changes in the economy but with advancing down the trees. (at a speed too high)

Edited May 21, 2022 by Dodo_Dud

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

On 20/05/2022 at 06:15, Dodo_Dud said:

So he got 155 points for the 3 deaths, for which he also has to pay repairs. My guess: The repairs willoutweigh the extra income from the score. As he got substantially more points from air kills, he must have killed planes that were higher in BR differential than what you killed.

You got it part right...The idea was to nerf income so people would be incented to buy GE when they ran out of SL...So he got more SL for dying that was far outweighed by the cost of repairs...He got substantially more income from air kills because he was getting repeatedly shot down in the furball, not because he was killing planes with a higher BR...This is just another scheme to sell GE and premiums...It also dramatically affects the grind to higher BR's...Bombers win matches, I can sit up high and kill 10 bombers while covering mine, lose 0 planes and at the end finish near the bottom of the scoring because gaijin does not want that kind of play, they want everyone down low in the furball dying over and over...Our new economy...

[Oldtimer1955 878]

18 hours ago, HochgeborenKlown said:

You got it part right...The idea was to nerf income so people would be incented to buy GE when they ran out of SL...So he got more SL for dying that was far outweighed by the cost of repairs...He got substantially more income from air kills because he was getting repeatedly shot down in the furball, not because he was killing planes with a higher BR...This is just another scheme to sell GE and premiums...It also dramatically affects the grind to higher BR's...Bombers win matches, I can sit up high and kill 10 bombers while covering mine, lose 0 planes and at the end finish near the bottom of the scoring because gaijin does not want that kind of play, they want everyone down low in the furball dying over and over...Our new economy...

Bottom line...you're just being argumentative for all the wrong reasons...play the game right and should not be an issue...besides, Dodo is an excellent strategist

Edited May 27, 2022 by Oldtimer1955