Suggested details and improvements to War Thunder

[Vyprex 729]

Positive changes : Adding new vehicles

[PaulSenghas_Vril 13]

After 10 years of War Thunder the game still sucks even though some simple changes would make it into a good game, gaijin's doctrine of pumping out generic close quarter maps creates dopamine addicted xxxx who can't stand still and only spawn push and die. This and the fact that there are only linear gamemodes doesn't help to change this and only reinforces this behavior.
But apart from that my biggest annoyance is how vehicles are mixed in with other era's in the name of "balance". I am fully convinced a balance would create itself if BR was changed with years.
Driving around in your WW2 heavy tank that bounces shells like it's nothing? Oh here's a M-51 from the 1960's that can still pen you from afar.
Flying around in your WW2 plane? not anymore thanks to the BTR-ZD, Ystervark, R3 and it's cousins.
Or how fun is it getting an ATGM against your WW2 tank or when you do naval but some italian modern boat comes and uses mini guns on you.
All this just feels like a strategy to get small children to buy premiums to be "better" at the game.

if the game would just seperate era's, replace BR by year + season and make countries only fight on maps where they fought with their historical allies against their historical enemies while starting on their respective sides would just make the game so much more enjoyable. War thunder has put a lot of effort into trying to help new players to identify how to kill tanks and what killed them but how is that helpful when you are facing all the countries at once? You'd surely get to know tanks a lot better if you would fight only certain nations?

[Real K Soze@live 407]

6 hours ago, PaulSenghas_Vril said:

if the game would just seperate era's, replace BR by year + season and make countries only fight on maps where they fought with their historical allies against their historical enemies while starting on their respective sides would just make the game so much more enjoyable.

 

First of all: Outstanding post, thx!

 

I picked this sentence as a i would pay a substantial amount to see these changes implemented. But facing reality would change the game so drastically, that only a few enthusiasts would remain as the need for a rework of wt would be too much for gaijin.

 

I mean which US fanboy would like to face Tigers in a standard Sherman in North Africa in 1943 or a 262 in a P51D in 1945? Or as a German Panzer III with the 37mm against a early T-34 or KV-1 in 1941? The list is endless and as wt never had an approach to be a simulator or to be historical accurate we might have to wait another 5-10 years....

 

[Headnaught 504]

34 minutes ago, Uncle J Wick@live said:

I mean which US fanboy would like to face Tigers in a standard Sherman in North Africa in 1943 or a 262 in a P51D in 1945? Or as a German Panzer III with the 37mm against a early T-34 or KV-1 in 1941? The list is endless and as wt never had an approach to be a simulator or to be historical accurate we might have to wait another 5-10 years....

 

Yeah, you're right, the list of horrible historical matchups is endless. So why do you think it's a good idea? If you want a game with historical matchmaker so bad, go play something else, or better yet make your own game that no one will play because your idea of a game is completely detached from actual game design.

[Morvran_ 661]

12 hours ago, Artyom_TR said:

Positive changes : Adding new vehicles

Unless you play britain, in which case, you usually have to wait 1 to 2 years for new stuff

[Vyprex 729]

5 minutes ago, Morvran_ said:

Unless you play britain, in which case, you usually have to wait 1 to 2 years for new stuff

Yeah. I dont like Britain tanks. Like all tanks are same and Britain doesn't give satisfaction feeling when you open new vehicle

[Real K Soze@live 407]

2 hours ago, Headnaught said:

Yeah, you're right, the list of horrible historical matchups is endless. So why do you think it's a good idea? If you want a game with historical matchmaker so bad, go play something else, or better yet make your own game that no one will play because your idea of a game is completely detached from actual game design.

 

Fair point, maybe i was not clear enough with this sentence:

 

2 hours ago, Uncle J Wick@live said:

But facing reality would change the game so drastically, that only a few enthusiasts would remain as the need for a rework of wt would be too much for gaijin.

 

The rework mentioned is mainly to be seen with actual realism of these examples. The current setup of wt is extremely far away from reality as the whole game play (ground: cap points; air: tdm with some PvE elements) is like i already said to create a game and not a simulator.

 

So asking for historical matchmaking just makes sense if you consider all factors.

 

Just a few topics out of dozens for my examples: So for the first example Tiger vs Sherman you would have to create unbalanced lobbies to implement the numerical superiority of the allies and you need to reduce the mobility of the Tigers due to ongoing fuel shortage. For the 262 vs P51D example you would have to implement a 2 vs 16 lobby with US Bombers incoming at 8km and their escorts 2km higher, 262s with ground take-off guided by radar, no minimaps or other support. The Ppz III vs KV-1 would have to consider worse ergonomic on Sowjet side and better optics, team coordination, training level of crews and CAS superiority on German side. Some of of the T-34s would spawn without cannon ammo like irl....

 

And this is not even considering realistic battle scenarios (attack vs defense) or the needed maps.

 

If you realize that historical matchmaking requires much more than what most people think  you would share my thoughts that it needs further 5-10 years. Maybe ai will be able to implement such things as i niche offer for enthusiasts. And there are lots of them. And they have money. Sooner or later gaijin will have implemented all vehicles which currently ensure a hype and a steady flow of newer customers. What then?

 

Last one: I have zero clue and tbh idc if you are gaijin staff or simply another player like me just getting a title as doing some stuff for gaijin but such statements:

 

2 hours ago, Headnaught said:

go play something else

  

...are actually an absolute no-go according to section 3.11 of the community guideline.

 

I assume you had just a bad day, but i kindly ask you to stop such things. But i appreciate that you are reading this thread.

 

Have a good one!

 

[Morvran_ 661]

15 minutes ago, Artyom_TR said:

Yeah. I dont like Britain tanks. Like all tanks are same and Britain doesn't give satisfaction feeling when you open new vehicle

I mainly play air. but what we have at the moment is barely playable, Torando F3 should have been added 2 years ago

[Vyprex 729]

6 minutes ago, Morvran_ said:

I mainly play air. but what we have at the moment is barely playable, Torando F3 should have been added 2 years ago

 

Yeah,F3 needs to be added in F-14 Patch

[Morvran_ 661]

1 minute ago, Artyom_TR said:

 

Yeah,F3 needs to be added in F-14 Patch

We've got the F3, its just barely playable at the moment due to buggy radar and underperforming missiles. though we should have got it around the same time the Soviets got the Mig-23, not when they got the Mig-29

[Vyprex 729]

3 minutes ago, Morvran_ said:

We've got the F3, its just barely playable at the moment due to buggy radar and underperforming missiles. though we should have got it around the same time the Soviets got the Mig-23, not when they got the Mig-29

I can understand you. If you try to grind modifications of F3 pure pain

[Morvran_ 661]

1 minute ago, Artyom_TR said:

I can understand you. If you try to grind modifications of F3 pure pain

Apparently we are getting a much better radar "soon" at the moment we have the earliest radar it was equipped with, a radar so bad, it was almost immediately replaced by the RAF, and the radar we are hopefully getting is one of the best radars the british had (Pre Blue-Vixen on the FA2) but god knows if it will even work as its suppose to. But until we get AMRAAM, we are hopelessly outclassed by Mig-29s

[Comrade_Rin 361]

They only want to nerf everything, if we suggest something that will make the game better. They will just nerf it and call it good, the grind is already extremely long and painful. Poor rewards, bugs and other things that just have been ignored / left as is. If they want to extend this game another ten + years, they need to do something. 

[SlowHandClap 519]

13 hours ago, Morvran_ said:

Apparently we are getting a much better radar "soon" at the moment we have the earliest radar it was equipped with, a radar so bad, it was almost immediately replaced by the RAF, and the radar we are hopefully getting is one of the best radars the british had (Pre Blue-Vixen on the FA2) but god knows if it will even work as its suppose to. But until we get AMRAAM, we are hopelessly outclassed by Mig-29s

There is no evidence Gaijin will ever give the F.3 a better radar. They seem content with it at the moment. 

Edited May 10, 2023 by SlowHandClap

[richthofen122 1,455]

1 hour ago, Comrade_Rin said:

They only want to nerf everything, if we suggest something that will make the game better. They will just nerf it and call it good, the grind is already extremely long and painful. Poor rewards, bugs and other things that just have been ignored / left as is. If they want to extend this game another ten + years, they need to do something. 

 

This is why I am wasting all my financial Security on Exclusive Vehicles, so that I can enjoy them while the game still lasts. And suggesting rerun events to gain and keep Players.

[WinstonWolfe 326]

  Bomber cockpits still look like shambo. Default view inside the plane should be lowered a bit like on my screen shot. Or should be added option to custom default view.

Edited May 10, 2023 by WinstonWolfe

[PaulSenghas_Vril 13]

22 hours ago, Headnaught said:

 

Yeah, you're right, the list of horrible historical matchups is endless. So why do you think it's a good idea? If you want a game with historical matchmaker so bad, go play something else, or better yet make your own game that no one will play because your idea of a game is completely detached from actual game design.

are you a little mad?

[Zoider_ 0]

2 hours ago, PaulSenghas_Vril said:

are you a little mad?

Just because your ideas are not good for the game someone else is mad? This logic is very..... very flawed

[Real K Soze@live 407]

11 hours ago, Zoider_ said:

Just because your ideas are not good for the game someone else is mad? This logic is very..... very flawed

 

First of all the wording of this sugg mod was not ok. So the question looks provoking, but is comprehensible.

 

Second, i have zero clue how you come to the conclusion that addressed ideas are not good for the game. Based on my understanding of roles and responsibilities within gaijin and externals the mentioned feedback looks like a pure private opinion without any official character or meaning.

If you re-read the original post describing some flaws in the game - the fellow player addressed the right topics. I liked his ideas as the issues sounded very familiar. Imho it is is just the definition of historical matchmaking what should be considered, in other words we should avoid cherry picking. 

The whole game is a mix of totally unrealistic stuff (mouse aim, g-forces, 3rd person view, etc.) combined with selected aspects of reality (technical performance of vehicles, look of them, ballistics of guns, etc.) and some balancing factors (mm, BR setting, economy, repair cost, etc.) created in order to make a game playable for a mass market in order to earn money.

Everybody here knows this - it is just a question if, when, and in which direction the game will develop as they run sooner or later out of new and hyped vehicles to add. So hoping for additional modes (behind a pay wall) with more realism is no sci-fi. 

 

Third, i am not sure how you contributed to the community in order to improve the game play or the game in general. I mean 11.000 game and 2 posts (both to the mentioned post) - one of them deleted as violating the forum rules - are not very convincing arguments that you actually care about the game. It looks like you want to support a friend, and there is nothing wrong with that, but i would recommend to bring yourself in with own proposals - instead of simply rejecting ideas of others.

 

 

[M4R1O_PT 2]

Say what you want, this game is broken and they don't fix it to make you waste more of your money on this game, don't get me wrong the game is pretty nice sometimes and might even be fun but its just painful, its the most painful game that me and everyone i know has ever known and should probably win a guiness records for being the most stressful game of history of Video Games. Full Uptiers, Broken Premiums, Packet Loss, Useless Teams, Campers, Spawncampers, i could be here for a hour saying everything bad about this game just to end up with 1 single good thing about this game, its the only one of its kind. And wasting money dosen't always works, in my experience when buying something on war thunder, the first few weeks or days are the best, after that is just pain after pain to make you think that you just need to spend more money, im really considering leaving and never installing this game anymore, its just stressful and bad for both mental and physical health, and the grind, oh don't make me tell you about the grind, theres people who say "Grind isn't that much painful", Taking 3 games just to get parts and fpe in higher BR vehicles and thats with premium. The Game forces you to get addicted to it and spend money if you want to have some dopamine into your brain. I've been playing for about 2 years and after buying is6 i really thought i could just chill and play this game until my last days but its just too much painful, and recently after buying 180d of premium, it just became more clear to me what happens, in the first few days, all were very nice days, in like 4 days got like 6-7 vehicles, because yea: In my opinion Premium is P2W. After that into the higher BR's, T-69 II G destroys everything, Lobbys full of incompetent t-55am that leave after 1 death, going with a t-54 1947 against a maus, impossible shots that penetrate double the amount of armor they should. "Skill issue" yea because it is skill issue getting bombed by a me 262 every time i drive more than 400m in the game and having to become a useless Spawn AA with the zsu-37-2 which in theory SHOULD be good, but the radar is soo bad you better just wait for them to come close to attack someone else and just "FINISH HIM!". This is my honest opinion about this game, i think it could have been the best game in the universe BUT, all this problems is what results in every year, thousands of players unistall this game, and thats also why much new players unistall the game after a few months or weeks of playing, specially realistic battles.

[sardinha08 1,031]

You are too new into this game to even know when this game was really fun. Or else the sadness would be greater.

[M4R1O_PT 2]

To be honest i wouldn't leave because of the pain, its more because of my health, stress is very bad for health, and i aldready live stressed, if i hadn't spent money on this game i would have probably left by now, its just very painful, im gonna try to play it until like i get to idk maybe 10.7 or the higher br's, jets and all that things, or probably just gonna leave now, but the problem is that then all the hours, days, weeks, months of my life i spent playing this game would have no sense.

Edited May 11, 2023 by M4R1O_PT

[cashmeowsidehbd 1,269]

gaijin, you need to create a new "jumped the shark" decal to commemorate what was once a pretty good game. I seriously am beginning to wonder of i'm going to make it to level 100. I'm at level 99 and it just doesn't seem like i'm going to make it. You've gone downhill so bad. Sellout is the word i am looking for.

[richthofen122 1,455]

The ingame music at higher tiers like 9.0-11.0 is deafening, I cannot concenrate. It is much quieter at lower tiers.

Edited May 12, 2023 by richthofen122

[WinstonWolfe 326]

Full screen hud should look sort off like that. Why for all this years we got this basic one?

 

Tank should have modern hud too (new one) or original when we talking about tiger or is.

Edited May 13, 2023 by WinstonWolfe