ZTZ99A - Update "Danger Zone"

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

the gun breech is a football field and the ERA panel on the left side of the gun covering it was removed to make it weaker

crew can be killed through the gun breech, even if you hit the opposite side spalling can sometimes knock out the crew member on the opposite side of where the turret was pierced

shells can go through the roof even with the high angle + ERA and knock out crew despite now sitting lower, this includes the gunner sight

glacis is weaker than the 99-II/III

 

 

this is tragic

Edited June 3, 2022 by llSolitairell@psn

[UPSMan 18]

The dev blog said the ERA  can deflect tandem missles but it doesnt at all.

 

[VeNoMxBR 789]

So far, from what I've seen, were closest to a "Type 10 release" situation.

 

Let's hope devs fix shells and protection before 99A is released.

[IQuitAfter1Death 34]

18 minutes ago, VeNoMxBR said:

So far, from what I've seen, were closest to a "Type 10 release" situation.

 

Let's hope devs fix shells and protection before 99A is released.

Yeah. It's not looking good so far :/ I feel like they nerfed the armour to compensate for good mobility it got, yknow for 'balance'.

[Kirschblute_86 9]

Anyone see ztz99a hasnt got internal armour? Still unfinished....

[UPSMan 18]

The Turret is even worse amored on the cheeks than that of the ZTZ99-III.. something must be wrong.

[Merzhi 174]

2 hours ago, llSolitairell@psn said:

the gun breech is a football field and the ERA panel on the left side of the gun covering it was removed to make it weaker

crew can be killed through the gun breech, even if you hit the opposite side spalling can sometimes knock out the crew member on the opposite side of where the turret was pierced

shells can go through the roof even with the high angle + ERA and knock out crew despite now sitting lower, this includes the gunner sight

glacis is weaker than the 99-II/III

 

 

this is tragic

The "ERA panel left of the gun" isn't ERA, it's just plain RHA, the mantlet is just huge.

[Merzhi 174]

The armor as it stands on the server is currently dogwater. I hope it's still placeholder for now because it is really really bad. DTC10 is also a terrible round so far. The tank is going to be a beast for mobility but man if it stays like this it's not gonna fit the meta much.

 

 

 

 

only 30mm more pen than DTW-125 when the classified leak said it should have 220mm at 71.12° @2km (680mm at 0°) lol

 

[TheAntiAirGuy 2,131]

So we're looking at gimped armor, gimped reload speed, gimped shell penetration, massively gimped Vertical Guidence speed and gimped turret traverse ... probably more

 

"But it's the (2nd) Dev-Server, don't worry, it will get fixed" ... as Gaijin proceeds to add it 1:1 to this game like this without ever updating it

 

Well, guess I forgot it's Gaijin we're dealing with and I was actually very excited for this vehicle than again, why should I spend any money on this game? At least they reminded me of this 

Edited June 3, 2022 by TheAntiAirGuy

[Merzhi 174]

6 minutes ago, TheAntiAirGuy said:

So we're looking at gimped armor, gimped reload speed, gimped shell penetration, massively gimped Vertical Guidence speed and gimped turret traverse ... probably more

 

"But it's the (2nd) Dev-Server, don't worry, it will get fixed" ... as Gaijin proceeds to add it 1:1 to this game like this without ever updating it

 

Well, guess I forgot it's Gaijin we're dealing with and I was actually very excited for this vehicle than again, why should I spend any money on this game? At least they reminded me of this 

A lot of the other stats are still copy pasted from the 99-III for the time being so it's definitely still not finished, there'll be another iteration of the DEV this weekend or next weekend with an update and hopefully all the issues will be resolved. We probably won't see the update until the 14th, there's still time.

Edited June 3, 2022 by Merzhi

[TheAntiAirGuy 2,131]

21 minutes ago, Merzhi said:

A lot of the other stats are still copy pasted from the 99-III for the time being so it's definitely still not finished, there'll be another iteration of the DEV this weekend or next weekend with an update and hopefully all the issues will be resolved. We probably won't see the update until the 14th, there's still time.

Gosh I hope

 

Because currently it just feels like a sidegrade, you get better mobility but trade in your armor and survivability, not the "big leap forward" many expected from the ZTZ99A in War Thunder 

Edited June 3, 2022 by TheAntiAirGuy

[TheAntiAirGuy 2,131]

Does this look like 22°/s to you Gaijin? 

 

[Eustruria 17]

2 hours ago, TheAntiAirGuy said:

Does this look like 22°/s to you Gaijin? 

 

That's a very good video. Someone should submit this on the dev server bug report.

Edited June 4, 2022 by Eustruria

[UPSMan 18]

i made a comparison here with a  full maxed crew, so it must be faster as 30°/s.

 

Edited June 4, 2022 by UPSMan

[Генерал Армагеддон 157]

10 hours ago, Merzhi said:

only 30mm more pen than DTW-125 when the classified leak said it should have 220mm at 71.12° @2km (680mm at 0°) lol

Therefore, in the game, penetration is calculated according to the formula, because all countries have their own calculation of armor penetration.
And 680mm from 2km cannot be there, because the length of the DTC10 is only ~ 650mm, due to the limitation of the automatic loader

Edited June 4, 2022 by __Witcher__

[lmperator 77]

11 hours ago, Merzhi said:

The armor as it stands on the server is currently dogwater. I hope it's still placeholder for now because it is really really bad. DTC10 is also a terrible round so far. The tank is going to be a beast for mobility but man if it stays like this it's not gonna fit the meta much.

 

 

 

 

only 30mm more pen than DTW-125 when the classified leak said it should have 220mm at 71.12° @2km (680mm at 0°) lol

 

It's pretty weak armor and there're too many weak spots. Is it still angled about 70 degrees? I guess, IRL they changed it back to 68,5, but increased entire UFP thickness up to ~250mm (taking into account ~20mm hull plate and ~230mm armor module), now it's just worse than 99-III in terms of protection.

About DTC10-125, they obviuosly used this set:

 

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So, technically, it should reach 680mm LOS in 71.12 degrees. The problem is in L-O formula, which provides heavy losses on angles which are different from 60. It works +- correct in terms of 55-65 degrees, but when we talk about 0 or 70+, it's really getting worse, so we won't even able to get at lest ~320mm/60 at 2000 meters, just 308

By the way, it's even worse than it should be even using this settings (and they're obviously wrong), because

 

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It should reach at least 313,3mm/60 even if we assume this setting as main for DTC10-125.
 

Edited June 4, 2022 by lmperator

[UPSMan 18]

I found this picture about the turret armor, someone calculated it 

 

Edited June 4, 2022 by UPSMan

[ShirakamiFubukiA 0]

我认为我们需要一个完整的ztz99a，而不是一个零碎的。虽然有些数据不可用，但我希望零敲碎打的数据也应该是实用的。

[Merzhi 174]

 

I do not think the gun depression of the tank is going to be improving. I went and checked it to see if there was a possibility it might have up to -7 but it seems if it did have anything over -5 the gunbarrel would hit the driver's hatch. This pretty much debunks the tank getting any better gun depression than the -5 on the dev server. ;;

[jet_17_49 411]

10 minutes ago, Merzhi said:

 

I do not think the gun depression of the tank is going to be improving. I went and checked it to see if there was a possibility it might have up to -7 but it seems if it did have anything over -5 the gunbarrel would hit the driver's hatch. This pretty much debunks the tank getting any better gun depression than the -5 on the dev server. ;;

If the devs decide to make the hull less comically rear heavy we could probably get to squeeze an extra 2~3 degrees of depression out of the sloped turret base

Edited June 5, 2022 by jet_17_49

[tiger7742 260]

There's a lot of stuff I think we can refer to in the original suggestion post, as there are a lot of detailed discussions regarding the tank's protection, ammunition e.t.c.

 

I'm wondering how much did the devs take that suggestion thread into account as I remember it to be pretty detailed and thinking to myself "the devs can't possibly mess this up".

 

Edited June 5, 2022 by tiger7742

[jet_17_49 411]

5 hours ago, Merzhi said:

Off topic but interesting decorations you got there. I like how the hammer and sickle fits on a single ERA tile, and the red stripes on the turret remind me somewhat of those ribbons they put on factory fresh tanks being handed over to the army.

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(these are test vehicles being sent for evaluation but my point still stands)

Pity the star doesn't quite fit though, would've liked to emulate this.

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1 hour ago, lmperator said:

My friends sent me a message about "Е2006" stabilizer. In Russian, it's said ZTZ99A MBT is able to make 360 degrees tower turn for 8.4 seconds (that should be at least ~43 degrees). And that "E2006" is in use for all modern NORINCO tanks. Does anyone have more information about that?

So uh... does anyone here happen to have a highly detailed VT tank brochure lying around?

Edited June 5, 2022 by jet_17_49

[Merzhi 174]

2 hours ago, jet_17_49 said:

Off topic but interesting decorations you got there. I like how the hammer and sickle fits on a single ERA tile, and the red stripes on the turret remind me somewhat of those ribbons they put on factory fresh tanks being handed over to the army.

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(these are test vehicles being sent for evaluation but my point still stands)

Pity the star doesn't quite fit though, would've liked to emulate this.

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So uh... does anyone here happen to have a highly detailed VT tank brochure lying around?

Thanks for the compliments on my decals. I didn't really have any specific inspiration for them I just sorta wanted something red to go with the lines of the vehicle as much as possible. The red star on the UFP is something I put on every tank and is definitely intentional but I inverted it so it'd be my own personal flair.

[TheAntiAirGuy 2,131]

11 hours ago, Merzhi said:

 

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I do not think the gun depression of the tank is going to be improving. I went and checked it to see if there was a possibility it might have up to -7 but it seems if it did have anything over -5 the gunbarrel would hit the driver's hatch. This pretty much debunks the tank getting any better gun depression than the -5 on the dev server. ;;

I think the -7° of gun depression comes from the fact that the turret/hull is angled slightly towards the front ... if Gaijin decides to fix the weird rear-heavy suspension on this thing

[UPSMan 18]

2 minutes ago, TheAntiAirGuy said:

I think the -7° of gun depression comes from the fact that the turret/hull is angled slightly towards the front ... if Gaijin decides to fix the weird rear-heavy suspension on this thing

The Bug is already reported. Same as with the armor bug. 

Edited June 5, 2022 by UPSMan