ZTZ99A - Update "Danger Zone"

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

the mobility should at least be a compensator, if the armor won't get buffed in the live server. Currently with a top speed of 75km/h and neutral steering that outclasses the Leclerc and Leopard 2A5/6, it's the fastest MBT in the game as of now due to the relatively low tonnage and very powerful engine

[jhl9000 15]

From the photos, we can see that there is EXPLOSIVE reactive armor on the right side of the arty root, which is not in the game.

This is vacated, this should be convex but it's concave

[David Bowie 1,554]

that is not ERA, check previous report.

[Clangokkuner 253]

What it needs is not ERA but actual armour underneath the exposed plate so it isn't just a ridiculous open weakspot

[IQuitAfter1Death 34]

Alright you guys I just found something new that's bothering me about Gaijin's ZTZ99A. I came across this post

It's about that area on the turret having no ERA due to having no mounting pins so Gaijin just decided there's absolutely no armour there

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Closed due to there is no ERA on that spot historically.

WHAT!?!?!? BUT THERE IS OBVIOUSLY AN ARMOUR BLOCK THERE. IT'S NOT EVEN A DEBATE. The question is, what is that block? ERA or a modular added-on composite armour for extra protection on gun breech area?

 

If there is no block there then there would be a deep empty space because it's surrounded by thick ERA blocks.

 

The fact that this area is on the same level and flushed as the other ERA blocks obviously says there is some sort of armour attached.

 

Any idea what is this block? In my opinion this block is most likely an ERA too, ERA blocks can be mounted in many ways. This case should be re-opened and fixed before the release.

 

Edited June 13, 2022 by IQuitAfter1Death

[IQuitAfter1Death 34]

21 hours ago, _David_Bowie_ said:

that is not ERA, check previous report.

Hello David Bowie. Check my comment on my thread regarding this issue.

There is an armour block there. It's so obvious that it's not even a debate. The only mystery here lies is, what kind of an armour block is it? ERA or a modular composite armour? Not If there's an armour block there or not. Since you and Gaijin had concluded it's not ERA then the next logical thing to say is that this block is a composite armour... I find it ridiculous Gaijin just completly disregarded this block exist simply due to having no mounting pins despite the armour block literally existing there along with the other ERA blocks; and just made this spot completly armourless. That is unbelievably illogical.

 

I'd just like to point out that It's not up to Gajin devs or any moderators to figure out how the tank designer and engineers mounted that block without seemingly visible mounting pins or rack.

Edited June 13, 2022 by IQuitAfter1Death

[jet_17_49 411]

17 minutes ago, IQuitAfter1Death said:

Hello David Bowie. Check my comment on my thread regarding this issue.

There is an armour block there. It's so obvious that it's not even a debate. The only mystery here lies is, what kind of an armour block is it?. ERA or a modular composite armour? Since you and Gaijin had concluded it's not ERA then the next logical thing to say is that this block is a composite armour... I find it ridiculous Gaijin just completly disregarded this block exist simply due to having no mounting pins despite the armour block literally existing there along with the other ERA blocks; and just made this spot completly armourless. That is unbelievably illogical.

 

I'd just like to point out that It's not up to Gajin devs to figure out how the tank designer and engineers mounted that block without seemingly visible mounting pins or rack.

@_David_Bowie_

[Vassau 41]

5 hours ago, IQuitAfter1Death said:

Alright you guys I just found something new that's bothering me about Gaijin's ZTZ99A. I came across this post

It's about that area on the turret having no ERA due to having no mounting pins so Gaijin just decided there's absolutely no armour there

WHAT!?!?!? BUT THERE IS OBVIOUSLY AN ARMOUR BLOCK THERE. IT'S NOT EVEN A DEBATE. The question is, what is that block? ERA or a modular added-on composite armour for extra protection on gun breech area?

 

If there is no block there then there would be a deep empty space because it's surrounded by thick ERA blocks.

 

The fact that this area is on the same level and flushed as the other ERA blocks obviously says there is some sort of armour attached.

 

Any idea what is this block? In my opinion this block is most likely an ERA too, ERA blocks can be mounted in many ways. This case should be re-opened and fixed before the release.

 

 

Logically, it should be ERA. I mean, why would the PLA mount 1 armor block on the turret that is not ERA when all other blocks are?

[VeNoMxBR 789]

1 hour ago, Vassau said:

Logically, it should be ERA. I mean, why would the PLA mount 1 armor block on the turret that is not ERA when all other blocks are?

 

Problem is: When it comes down to Gaijin logic, there is no logic xD

[tiger7742 260]

1 hour ago, VeNoMxBR said:

 

Problem is: When it comes down to Gaijin logic, there is no logic xD

 

[WestlanD_BrO 6]

On 13/06/2022 at 09:13, IQuitAfter1Death said:

Alright you guys I just found something new that's bothering me about Gaijin's ZTZ99A. I came across this post

It's about that area on the turret having no ERA due to having no mounting pins so Gaijin just decided there's absolutely no armour there

WHAT!?!?!? BUT THERE IS OBVIOUSLY AN ARMOUR BLOCK THERE. IT'S NOT EVEN A DEBATE. The question is, what is that block? ERA or a modular added-on composite armour for extra protection on gun breech area?

 

If there is no block there then there would be a deep empty space because it's surrounded by thick ERA blocks.

 

The fact that this area is on the same level and flushed as the other ERA blocks obviously says there is some sort of armour attached.

 

Any idea what is this block? In my opinion this block is most likely an ERA too, ERA blocks can be mounted in many ways. This case should be re-opened and fixed before the release.

 

 

According to the pictures from the assembly line, you can see that this is a monolithic child that does not have any pockets for composite. All photos are taken from the ZTZ99A discussion topic in the Chinese section of the forum.

Spoiler

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by WestlanD_BrO

[jet_17_49 411]

Current state of things:

-Hull inclination decreased by 1°

-Turret ERA changed to FY-5 (250mm KE, 600mm CE)

-UFP still weaker than expected

 

[Smugfug 1]

Seems pretty bad, heard the neutral steering got nerfed too, takes like twice longer to turn in place. Not sure how this thing is 11.0, should be 10.7 seeing how the 99-ii and 99-iii got the new ammos and have better protection.

 

 

[Eustruria 17]

32 minutes ago, Smugfug said:

Seems pretty bad, heard the neutral steering got nerfed too, takes like twice longer to turn in place. Not sure how this thing is 11.0, should be 10.7 seeing how the 99-ii and 99-iii got the new ammos and have better protection.

 

 

Neutral steering got better from what it feels like. If you go into drive test and neutral steer, your turret traverse now has a hard time keeping up with your steering speed compared to the dev server. The big issue, of course, is that the ZTZ99A lacks many features that it has in real life. It's turret traverse (vertical and horizontal) is way too slow and the hull is still oversized, making the tank easier to spot and its LFP larger compared to the ZTZ99. Moreover, the location of the gunner's optics is an easy shot-trap as it is not protected by anything and connected into the turret. As of now, the ZTZ99A is on par with the regular ZTZ99 with a horizontal trade-off: worse protection for better mobility.

Edited June 15, 2022 by Eustruria

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

Why in the world does the 99A have horrendous UFP armor ;-;, isnt GJ even thinking the obvious modrnization over the 99s? thats all for me, as well as the bad vertical targeting speed

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

Don't trust protection mapping entirely

 

also

is it me

or is this a Type 96A?

[Taskforce404 210]

6 minutes ago, NAYEONnaise said:

Why in the world does the 99A have horrendous UFP armor ;-;, isnt GJ even thinking the obvious modrnization over the 99s? thats all for me, as well as the bad vertical targeting speed

watch the tank biathon and u will know why. 

thats the rule, the russia rule

[Smugfug 1]

15 minutes ago, NAYEONnaise said:

Why in the world does the 99A have horrendous UFP armor ;-;, isnt GJ even thinking the obvious modrnization over the 99s? thats all for me, as well as the bad vertical targeting speed

Probably balance reasons. It's still a game at the end of the day.

[tiger7742 260]

the turret traverse, targeting speed, and the DTC-10 125 are still wrong, but damn the turret armor is thicc, it can eat a DM-53 like it is nothing

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by tiger7742

[IQuitAfter1Death 34]

On 09/06/2022 at 00:51, llSolitairell@psn said:

 

The 99A along with the Russian top tier steam roller are going to be smashing teams of level 10 wallet warriors in Premium Leopard 2A4s and M1A1 AIMs that will leave the game after 1 death.

It's not the case so far, at least in my experience. Nowadays it's mixed nations so I get 1 death leaver team often too. (No I don't quit after 1 death)

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

a collection of bug reports I have sent for three notable issues of the 99A as of now:

-unnecessary driver's hatch weakspot: ZTZ99A unnecessary driver's hatch weakspot // Gaijin.net // Issues

-weaker UFP armor vs 99-III: ZTZ99A has weaker UFP armor than ZTZ99-III // Gaijin.net // Issues

-neutral steering bug, where one track seems to be slower than the other: ZTZ99A neutral steering bug // Gaijin.net // Issues

 

feel free to correct me or add more credible sources when possible/needed, and i will edit them into the bug reports, and credit whoever finds such sources.

best regards,

NAYEONnaise 

Edited June 16, 2022 by NAYEONnaise

[Reines_EI_Melloi 39]

17 minutes ago, NAYEONnaise said:

到目前为止，我已针对 99A 的三个值得注意的问题发送了一组错误报告：

- 不必要的驾驶员舱口弱点：  ZTZ99A 不必要的驾驶员舱口弱点 // Gaijin.net // 问题

-较弱的 UFP 装甲与 99-III：  ZTZ99A 的 UFP 装甲比 ZTZ99-III 弱 // Gaijin.net // 问题

- 中性转向错误，其中一条轨道似乎比另一条慢：  ZTZ99A 中性转向错误 // Gaijin.net // 问题

 

如有可能/需要，请随时纠正我或添加更可靠的来源，我会将它们编辑到错误报告中，并感谢找到此类来源的人。

此致，

娜琏酱 

Oh, great！

[TheAntiAirGuy 2,131]

5 hours ago, NAYEONnaise said:

a collection of bug reports I have sent for three notable issues of the 99A as of now:

-unnecessary driver's hatch weakspot: ZTZ99A unnecessary driver's hatch weakspot // Gaijin.net // Issues

-weaker UFP armor vs 99-III: ZTZ99A has weaker UFP armor than ZTZ99-III // Gaijin.net // Issues

-neutral steering bug, where one track seems to be slower than the other: ZTZ99A neutral steering bug // Gaijin.net // Issues

 

feel free to correct me or add more credible sources when possible/needed, and i will edit them into the bug reports, and credit whoever finds such sources.

best regards,

NAYEONnaise 

It's sadly too late now

 

What hasn't been fixed on the dev-server will most likely never be fixed, ever, once it hits the live server 

Heck, the turret traverse too is absolutly garbage and the vertical gun elevation speed is on WW2 level

 

Seems like we're getting the "Type 10 treatment" 

 

 

They're just going to brush everything off with the argument of "no official documents, no fix". Without even thinking once about logic, balance and video-proof.

 

It's a shame, but it's sadly too late now. Seems like only Russian vehicles get some love from Gaijin 

[FordsDeepWaters 0]

5 hours ago, NAYEONnaise said:

到目前为止，我已针对 99A 的三个值得注意的问题发送了一系列错误报告：

- 不必要的驾驶员舱口弱点：  ZTZ99A 不必要的驾驶员舱口弱点 // Gaijin.net // 问题

-较弱的 UFP 装甲与 99-III：  ZTZ99A 的 UFP 装甲比 ZTZ99-III 弱 // Gaijin.net // 问题

- 中性转向错误，其中一条轨道似乎比另一条慢：  ZTZ99A 中性转向错误 // Gaijin.net // 问题

 

如有可能/需要，请随时纠正我或添加更可靠的来源，我会将它们编辑到错误报告中，并感谢找到此类来源的人。

此致，

娜琏酱 

ZTZ99A's joint of the rear turret hull can be pierced by the 7.62 machine gun. I think this could be a bug.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1YZ4y1q78L?spm_id_from=333.880.my_history.page.click&vd_source=ffe8ed367768b02a8e4ff46d5741ac88

[SpitW 273]

7 minutes ago, FordsDeepWaters said:

ZTZ99A's joint of the rear turret hull can be pierced by the 7.62 machine gun. I think this could be a bug.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1YZ4y1q78L?spm_id_from=333.880.my_history.page.click&vd_source=ffe8ed367768b02a8e4ff46d5741ac88

it is

Ive already report this in the issue section: ZTZ-99A: Unassigned Armor In the Back of the Turret // Gaijin.net // Issues