WMA301 at 8.3

[Vedgestable 129]

 

On 12/08/2022 at 12:07, VeNoMxBR said:

Judging by your level, game time and stats, it is not really an issue with WMA 301...

 

Yes, I fully admit and accept that I am a mediocre if not sub-average player , but I can still see when certain things dominate the leaderboard and gameplay across the entire team over many, many games. Pointing the finger at me does not solve this in any way, and you should reconsider attacking the message itself rather than the messenger.

 

 

 

@Qxer_ sorry mate quoted you instead of this guy  my mistake lol

Edited August 17, 2022 by Vedgestable
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[VeNoMxBR 789]

On 16/08/2022 at 15:49, Vedgestable said:

 

 

Yes, I fully admit and accept that I am a mediocre if not sub-average player , but I can still see when certain things dominate the leaderboard and gameplay across the entire team over many, many games. Pointing the finger at me does not solve this in any way, and you should reconsider attacking the message itself rather than the messenger.

 

 

 

@Qxer_ sorry mate quoted you instead of this guy  my mistake lol

 

And your ingame experience it is not a good sample of "War Thunder problem". I constantly play 8.3 with Type 87 RCV and Type 89. I rarely see WMA/PTL in game tbh. And when I see, I have no issues spoting and killing them, because they are just big paper boxes driving around the map.

 

But that's my reality. And I can't say that this is what happens for everyone in the game. Nor can I ask for a buff or a nerf because of my experience in game. It just not enough data.

 

What I've pointed out is that, due to your lack of experience in game, maybe you struggle more to find and destroy those targets. And you can't say, based in your (limited) experience, some vehicle need to be nerfed.

What I do recomend is that you join that very (very) few players on the chinese nation and try the vehicles by yourself. See how "great" PTL and WMA are and how good can you do with them, before actually point your finger at it and ask for any change

[Vedgestable 129]

4 hours ago, VeNoMxBR said:

And your ingame experience it is not a good sample of "War Thunder problem"

 

This isn't just my experience and you know it. It may not be yours but it's significant enough for a significant enough portion of the playerbase that you can't just brush it aside. Again pointing the finger at me does not solve anything. Please show why exactly you say the vehicle isn't what it seems to be instead of attacking me.

[VeNoMxBR 789]

7 minutes ago, Vedgestable said:

 

This isn't just my experience and you know it. It may not be yours but it's significant enough for a significant enough portion of the playerbase that you can't just brush it aside. Again pointing the finger at me does not solve anything. Please show why exactly you say the vehicle isn't what it seems to be instead of attacking me.

 

Oh, I see the mistake here. You thought I was talking to you about stats and experience. No, it was to Qxer_, who revived this topic after a while.

 

But tell me, what do you mean by "significant enough portion of the playerbase"? Did you made any research about the topic? Any poll? How many players? What was the result?

 

Without any actual data, its just info inside your head.

[MagicalMethod 1,768]

13 hours ago, VeNoMxBR said:

But tell me, what do you mean by "significant enough portion of the playerbase"? Did you made any research about the topic? Any poll? How many players? What was the result?

 

Without any actual data, its just info inside your head.

[VeNoMxBR 789]

4 hours ago, MagicalMethod said:

 

[_AlexV 223]

PTL02 & WMA absolutely need BR nerf, both are too high powercreep and ruin against 7.0+ BR vehicles.

[jet_17_49 411]

The PTL is, on non-urban maps at least, for all intents and purposes a medium tank without armor, and its FCS and firepower are its sole notable perks. While it certainly shouldn't be bullying the likes of IS-3s and T-54s, it should be given its DU dart to maintain its relative firepower advantage over its peers if it is to be raised beyond 8.3. Same goes for the WMA (DTW-105) if it has to go anywhere above 8.7.

Edited August 21, 2022 by jet_17_49

[Qxer_ 3]

On 18/08/2022 at 19:10, VeNoMxBR said:

 

Oh, I see the mistake here. You thought I was talking to you about stats and experience. No, it was to Qxer_, who revived this topic after a while.

 

But tell me, what do you mean by "significant enough portion of the playerbase"? Did you made any research about the topic? Any poll? How many players? What was the result?

 

Without any actual data, its just info inside your head.

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Edited August 21, 2022 by Qxer_

[MagicalMethod 1,768]

On 20/08/2022 at 17:41, jet_17_49 said:

it should be given its DU dart to maintain its relative firepower advantage over its peers if it is to be raised beyond 8.3. Same goes for the WMA (DTW-105) if it has to go anywhere above 8.7.

The PTL02 gets a round on par with M774. That the US gets at 9.0, and even compared to the 105 DM33 it's not that much worse, not enough to warrant being 0.7 Br lower then the TAM2IP or the 1A1.

Not to mention it gets second gen thermals afaik, it's mobility is underestimated as that thing has been capable of outrunning my A1A1 on large Sinai. Might be that mud makes it very slow. But let's be honest unless you're in 1500HP MBT mud slows down everything to crawl. Same with the WMA which admittedly get's weaker APFSDS on par with 105 DM23/M735. It also get's tandem ATGMs (750mm of pen gentlemens) that are beam guiding meaning soft kill system wont do anything against them and Gen2/2+ thermals.... at 8.3.... Those are things many start to get at only at 9.0 if not even later.

 

And these things can meet T54s, M48s, Centurion mk3s, Maus (for f*cks sake), IS-3s and what not. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous don't you agree ? It has enough firepower to give 9.3s hell... Even the XM-1 is 9.3 with M735 and 1st gen thermals.

Edited August 21, 2022 by MagicalMethod

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On 30/05/2022 at 21:18, VeNoMxBR said:

- Huge profile (easy target)

- Bad terrain mobility

- Terrible reverse

- 3 crew members on turret (constant OHK)

- .50 cal to kill it and lesser MGs can kill crew

 

It is a huge glass canon and that's it. It is very good at longe range maps and awful on CQB. It stats are on pair with most 8.3 MBTs. Can't see why it should go up.

 

What keep this tank stats OK are the (few) good CN players.

You just listed disadvantages of all wheeled vehicles

[Sarcastic_Bullet 816]

On 21/08/2022 at 19:29, MagicalMethod said:

it's mobility is underestimated

 

lol. try it first.

[Intrspace 245]

ikr. Isn't the WMA much better than the Type 87 RCV automobile? The Type 87 was moved to 8.3 swiftly but the WMA stayed 8.0 for a long time

Edited October 19, 2022 by Intrspace

[foxy48514 14]

This thing can encounter the AMX-50 from 1949...
The WMA301 and PTL02 are from 1980

WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT IT SO LOW IN BR'S

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On 03/11/2022 at 21:29, foxy48514 said:

This thing can encounter the AMX-50 from 1949...
The WMA301 and PTL02 are from 1980

WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT IT SO LOW IN BR'S

no wma301 and ptl02 are from 2002

[foxy48514 14]

42 minutes ago, _____HK416_____ said:

no wma301 and ptl02 are from 2002

even worse