KMW & Nexter EMBT (2022) - To Go Even Further Beyond

[DMYEugen 688]

TL;DR: The newest version of the earlier EMBT. Now equipped with Trophy, 30mm autocannon, and many other improvements.

There is a companion suggestion for France written by CaID:

 

History:

German and French companies have dominated the European export market for decades, with designs like the Leopard and AMX-30 seeing massive both export and combat success. Many companies from these countries are aware of their dominance and have decided many times to cooperate in an attempt to combine their knowledge and experience into a successful export vehicle marketed by both companies. Cooperations like these led to several interesting Franco-German vehicles being developed and offered for export, such as the DF 105, AMX-30 Super, and, more recently, the EMBT. Built in 2015 and first unveiled in 2018 at EuroSatory 2018, the EMBT was the result of a cooperative development between KMW and Nexter. The EMBT was relatively simple in design. It was a Leclerc turret mated to a Leopard 2A7 hull. This combined many of the best qualities of both tanks into a single platform. While this vehicle was offered for export, it was more of a proof of concept than anything else; proof that the two companies could work together seamlessly as a single team. Despite no orders being placed, development of the EMBT was considered a success as the two companies had proved that they could work together. As such, development on a more ambitious version of the EMBT began. The fruit of this development would be shown off in 2022 at EuroSatory 2022 under the name of EMBT, though I will call it EMBT (2022) to avoid confusion. Unlike the previous EMBT, the EMBT (2022) features a completely new purpose-built turret equipped with the Trophy APS, a remotely controlled 30mm autocannon, and a very hefty commander sight equipped with a 7.62mm MG. The shape of the new turret suggests that its armor is reduced compared to other MBTs. This is likely due to the Trophy APS being an integral part of the design. The main cannon is the CN120-26, the same cannon found on the Leclerc series, and is fed by a 22-round autoloader. The hull of the new behemoth is a largely unmodified Leopard 2A7 with only the front seeing improvements. The EMBT (2022) will be in direct competition with Rheinmetall's KF51 Panther.

 

Place In War Thunder:

War Thunder is very quickly approaching the limit when it comes to unique modern vehicles. Nowadays, most countries use and upgrade a single MBT family. This is great for logistics but terrible for War Thunder because it makes nearly every MBT a copy-paste of itself. Having 10+ Leopard 2s in the German tech tree may sound good for some, but for many, researching the same tank over and over again isn't too terribly fun. Luckily, the arms market is ever expanding with new and unique designs being unveiled every year. The EMBT (2022) is one such design. It features a familiar hull with a strange Halo-looking turret, bringing some much needed visual uniqueness to the German high-tier MBT experience. The EMBT (2022) would fit in perfectly as the crown jewel of the heavy tank line after the KPz-70.

 

Specifications:

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Armament: CN120-26 120mm L52 smoothbore cannon, 1x 12.7mm MG, 1x 7.62mm MG, and 1x 30mm ARX30 30mm autocannon

 

Dimensions: 10.45m, 3.85m, 3.24m (L,W,H)

 

Weight: 61500kg

 

Armor: Turret armor is unknown, however, it is likely reduced compared to other MBTs due to the integration of the Trophy APS. The hull is based off the Leopard 2A7 and likely features similar armor.

 

Crew: 4

 

Ammunition: All standard NATO  ammunition (Capable of firing SHARD APFSDS)

 

Speed: 65kph

 

Horsepower: 1500hp

 

Pictures:

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Side View (Notice the what appears to be SHARD APFSDS):

 

Rear View:

 

Technical Data Plaque:

 

Sources:

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Technical Data Plaque:

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https://militaryleak.com/2018/06/20/knds-embt-european-main-battle-tank/

https://grandfleet.info/military-trivia/eurosatory-2022-which-will-start-soon-and-the-main-battle-tank-jointly-developed-by-germany-and-france/

 

Edited July 18, 2022 by DMYEugen

[kurururocks 210]

Open for discussion

[DMYEugen 688]

3 minutes ago, kurururocks said:

Open for discussion

Thanks!

[Godvana 533]

Found this on Reddit

[eleks12 1,079]

+1

[戦闘妖精雪風 18]

+1 I love this, much prettier than KF51

[MajorFooFoo 226]

+1 Such a good looking tank

[Kingtiez@live 606]

+1 for France and Germany

[Epsilon160 270]

would be nice for both factions, give them third generation thermals, APS, and the sort. probably wouldn't even be too unbalanced current-game, depending on the amount of turret armor it has.

[oom1992 649]

+ good MBT new generation for German tech tree in late rank 7 or early rank 8, guess better Leopard 2A7 but wonder ammo APFSDS  

[Fireraid233 4,275]

I'll get hate for this but I actually like this design looks-wise better then KF51 +1

Edited June 14, 2022 by Fireraid233

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

imo should go into the french tech tree

[Arakneo 856]

why not both @dotEXCEL (don t know why i can t quote you)

[WreckingAres283 4,262]

+1  -   Hm, yea Kpz-line is best for this, the TT could look like this then:

 

Leopard 2A6  -> 2A7 (V / +)  ->  2A7A1

Kpz-70  ->  EMBT (2022)  ->  Leopard ATD (120mm / 130mm*)  ->   KF-51

TAM 2C  ->  Puma (with MELLS)  ->   Boxer variant(s)

 

* when its a thing

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by WreckingAres283

[CaID 8,996]

30 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

imo should go into the french tech tree

maybe for the Need, France would need it more
since the German do have the Leopard 2A7 and KF-51 and a bunch of other other Leopard 2 that could add some meet for Germany
while France only have some more Leclerc with the same gun and without APS or 30mm AA gun

but in the matter of history, the EMBT is literally developped by both country and for a future use in both country. as for now it's a prototype/technology demonstrator, but eventually it will give birth to the sucessor of the Leopard and Leclerc.

so Both country deserve it equally.

2 minutes ago, WreckingAres283 said:

+1  -   Hm, yea Kpz-line is best for this, the TT could look like this then:

 

Leopard 2A6  -> 2A7 (V / +)  ->  2A7A1

Kpz-70  ->  EMBT  ->  Leopard ATD  ->   KF-51

TAM 2C  ->  Puma (with MELLS)  ->   Boxer variant(s)

 

Do not forget there is 2x EMBT version

 

one from 2017 was a Leopard 2A7 with a Leclerc S2 turret
and this one who have a improved Leopard 2A7 hull and a new Turret

[WreckingAres283 4,262]

4 minutes ago, CaID said:

Do not forget there is 2x EMBT version

 

one from 2017 was a Leopard 2A7 with a Leclerc S2 turret
and this one who have a improved Leopard 2A7 hull and a new Turret

 

Fixed

 

[Milocat 4,857]

Looks pretty cool, if the game goes full modern this would be fun to see.  +1.

 

[Godvana 533]

 

A couple more images of the EMBT, one from the front, the other is just from the brochure and is the same as the specs on the plaque just HQ.

[Arakneo 856]

 

[CaID 8,996]

14 hours ago, Godvana said:

 

A couple more images of the EMBT, one from the front, the other is just from the brochure and is the same as the specs on the plaque just HQ.

those was literrally in the suggestion and sources

[TERVEPIG3 23]

On 14/06/2022 at 23:30, dotEXCEL said:

imo should go into the french tech tree

both or nothing

[CaID 8,996]

14 hours ago, TERVEPIG3 said:

both or nothing

like the DF 105?

it was build in collaboration of France and tested in france with french crew. i dare to also assume it was assemble in france.

[TERVEPIG3 23]

12 hours ago, CaID said:

like the DF 105?

it was build in collaboration of France and tested in france with french crew. i dare to also assume it was assemble in france.

France still can get the Second Vehicle with a different Chassis so its a thing to blame Gaijin instead of blaming Germany

It worked with the MBT/KPZ which are almost totally equal so it should work with the EMBT.

[CaID 8,996]

i made a analisys to estimate the dimention of the new 120mm Shard based on the picture

 

 

so the Shard shall have a dimension around those

Diameter = 24mm
length = 796mm
Frustum = 68 mm
velocity = 1720 m/sec
penetrator = Tungsten

 

 

with the help of @Laurelix we could estimate the penetration of the Shard as fallow

 

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
		10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
OCC 120 G1	HEATFS	480	480	480	480	480	480
OFL 120 G1	APFSDS	425	423	417	410	404	396
OFL 120 F1	APFSDS	575	573	565	557	547	537
120 Shard	APFSDS	675	673	665	657	647	637

Shell details
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile Mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
							0%	50%	100%
OCC 120 G1	HEATFS	1,100	14.4	0.05	0.1	2,150	65°	72°	77°
OFL 120 G1	APFSDS	1,780	3.8	N/A	N/A	N/A	78°	80°	81°
OFL 120 F1	APFSDS	1,790	3.8	N/A	N/A	N/A	78°	80°	81°
120 Shard	APFSDS	1.720	est. 5.7	N/A	N/A	N/A	78°	80°	81°

 

i leave the original rounds in-game for the 120mm so we have a point of comparison. we know that Gaijin Nerf a bit the APFSDS for balance purpose so it may have a penetration reduced of about 30mm in all distance but it would remain a pretty good rounds regardless.

 

at the same time, the French gun also have the OFL 120 F2 who is made of DU. it shall give a penetration of around 600mm at short distance. but it was withdraw from services in the 2000s because of the policy on the matter of Depleted Uranium use. so the EMBT wouldn't get it (only the Leclerc S2 and XXI could get it)

 

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by CaID

[CaID 8,996]

additionally the 30mm also have decent performence. the information about the rounds is hard to find as the gun is pretty recent, but it appear to be using the same rounds as the Tigre HAD

but i could understand there is at least 3 combat rounds
a APHE also called SAP
a API
a HEI

the SAP source is less reliable, but could be found around the net. but the other are reliable and based on this Website
https://cbcdefense.com/products/caliber/30x113mm/
 

i suggest to give it a generic belt of API/HEI/SAP/HEI
this belt would be much more effective against aircraft than ground target. but could still be dangerous for the light vehicles.

It should give a penetration around this

 

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
		10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
API	API	36	34	26	21	17	14
SAP	APHE	26	25	16	10	7	4
HEI	HE	4	4	4	4	4	4

Shell details
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile Mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
							0%	50%	100%
API	API	780	0.275	0.05	0.1	Unknown	65°	72°	77°
SAP	APHE	810	0.270	0.05	0.1	unknown	78°	80°	81°
HEI	HE	810	0.242	0.05	0.1	unknown	78°	80°	81°

Edited June 18, 2022 by CaID