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F-4F, AIM-9L


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The F-4F is an absolute garbage right now and there is no excuse for it to stay like this. It's already terrible, and after the update drops it will become a straight up joke vehicle. Almost everything it faces is armed with all-aspect Fox-1, Fox-2 and Fox-3 missiles, even in a full downtier, while the poor Phantom is limited to 4 rear aspect AIM-9J's that are barely useful anyway because of the hard flare spam at this BR range. And obviously it's not a good dogfighter too, because it's a Phantom. Good luck killing that one flare spamming F-5C.

 

It should either get x4 AIM-9L's and stay at 11.0*, or, if Gaijin is against historical accuracy so much, move it to 10.3 or something, since it's pretty much a MiG-21MF equivalent. 

 

*All MiG-21Bis are getting x6 R-60M's at 11.0. MiG-23M and Su-17M4 currently have x6 R-60M at 11.0. 

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Those of you trying to use stats to make your argument don't see the whole picture. Gaijin doesn't give a damn about a jets K/D or winrate when it comes to "efficiency". They care about it's ability to earn match score and more importantly it's economic income. The F-4F has a high combat efficiency according to them because it acts as a great bomb truck, which gets you guaranteed income. Combine that with the lack of sparrows means you will beat out any F-4Es to bases since they will be heavier. If you are trying to correct the lack of AIM-9Ls by affecting it's stats, you will have to bite the bullet and not go mud-moving either.

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1 minute ago, warthogboy09 said:

Those of you trying to use stats to make your argument don't see the whole picture. Gaijin doesn't give a damn about a jets K/D or winrate when it comes to "efficiency". They care about it's ability to earn match score and more importantly it's economic income. The F-4F has a high combat efficiency according to them because it acts as a great bomb truck, which gets you guaranteed income. Combine that with the lack of sparrows means you will beat out any F-4Es to bases since they will be heavier. If you are trying to correct the lack of AIM-9Ls by affecting it's stats, you will have to bite the bullet and not go mud-moving either.

Which is why I completely stopped bombing when playing it. Pure Sidewinder loadout for air-air combat. I think my 0.31 K/D shows the success of this pretty well (although admittetly I havent spaded this brick yet)

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29 minutes ago, warthogboy09 said:

Those of you trying to use stats to make your argument don't see the whole picture. Gaijin doesn't give a damn about a jets K/D or winrate when it comes to "efficiency". They care about it's ability to earn match score and more importantly it's economic income. The F-4F has a high combat efficiency according to them because it acts as a great bomb truck, which gets you guaranteed income. Combine that with the lack of sparrows means you will beat out any F-4Es to bases since they will be heavier. If you are trying to correct the lack of AIM-9Ls by affecting it's stats, you will have to bite the bullet and not go mud-moving either.

No it is the first two. The second two have nothing to do with and only affected repair cost back in the day. 

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36 minutes ago, warthogboy09 said:

Those of you trying to use stats to make your argument don't see the whole picture. Gaijin doesn't give a damn about a jets K/D or winrate when it comes to "efficiency". They care about it's ability to earn match score and more importantly it's economic income. The F-4F has a high combat efficiency according to them because it acts as a great bomb truck, which gets you guaranteed income. Combine that with the lack of sparrows means you will beat out any F-4Es to bases since they will be heavier. If you are trying to correct the lack of AIM-9Ls by affecting it's stats, you will have to bite the bullet and not go mud-moving either.

Oh because of using too much bomb then there also question that gaijin don’t understand (and never will) what else F4F can do apart from bomb the base

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8 minutes ago, ARK_BOI said:

Oh because of using too much bomb then there also question that gaijin don’t understand (and never will) what else F4F can do apart from bomb the base

 

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4 hours ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said:

Which is why I completely stopped bombing when playing it. Pure Sidewinder loadout for air-air combat. I think my 0.31 K/D shows the success of this pretty well (although admittetly I havent spaded this brick yet)

I'd also wait until after the patch drops to do it. If they have even a tiny amount of sense they're only using stats collected since the last patch for BR changes/deciding if missiles need adding.

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On 11/07/2022 at 02:53, spacenavy90 said:

 

In time, just be patient.

 

Half a year has passed, the Mig-29 and F-16 are coming. The Aim-9L is nowhere to be seen.

 

On a sidenote: did anybody know that the only Phantoms that received the AMRAAM IRL were the hellenic F-4E and the F-4F ICE?

 

I bet Gaijin will "miss" that and just give it to all F-4Es in game.

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5 hours ago, PointyPuffin said:

 

Half a year has passed, the Mig-29 and F-16 are coming. The Aim-9L is nowhere to be seen.

 

On a sidenote: did anybody know that the only Phantoms that received the AMRAAM IRL were the hellenic F-4E and the F-4F ICE?

 

I bet Gaijin will "miss" that and just give it to all F-4Es in game.

 

While I agree, there is no reason the F-4F should not have its AIM-9L loadout now and be moved up a few BRs.

 

But yes, we are aware of the AMRAAM equipped Phantoms:

 

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58 minutes ago, Dontkev@psn said:

After the new Patch droppes: should i play the Mig-21Bis SAU at 11.0 with 6x R-60MK or the F-4F at 11.0 with 4x Aim-9J?

MiG if you wanna keep your sanity. F-4F if you want to prove Gaijin that balancing via stats alone is an extremly dumb idea.

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12 minutes ago, Thype_2604@psn said:

Gaijin maybe hates germany :D

They hate everyone that not China and Russia 

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11 hours ago, Lord_Prism said:

According to inside statistics that Gaijin will not share, the F-4F is apparently at the upper end of efficiency :kappasnail:  

Whenever theres a fighter that sucks at being a fighter but Gaijin says it has good stats it means people are using it as a bombtruck. And since bombers get screwed on BR and repair costs that makes it an even worse fighter.

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12 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said:

i have a feeling that gaijin is going to pull a sweden on Germany and add the F-4F ice just for 9Ls. and like not even upgrade the radar or anything else, just to add 9Ls.

 

 

I was just talking about this on Discord actually and I think it will also happen. F-4F ICE will likely get added next year (with or without AMRAAMs) but have AIM-9L at least.

Not too long after it will be the first along with the JA37D to get AMRAAMs in the game.

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19 minutes ago, spacenavy90 said:

 

I was just talking about this on Discord actually and I think it will also happen. F-4F ICE will likely get added next year (with or without AMRAAMs) but have AIM-9L at least.

Not too long after it will be the first along with the JA37D to get AMRAAMs in the game.

it would be a logical decision to introduce amraams on these platforms but, given that gaijin wanted to introduce the r-73 on the mig 29, i have my doubts that gaijin is going to do that

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Just now, Faster_Boiiiii said:

it would be a logical decision to introduce amraams on these platforms but, given that gaijin wanted to introduce the r-73 on the mig 29, i have my doubts that gaijin is going to do that

 

I'm not saying this is going to happen this patch, this will happen sometime later next year. And the R-73 will show up before or maybe even at the same time in its "true/bufffed" configuration. The Su-27 Flanker is coming for sure soon and it was only capable of firing the R-73, not the R-60M.

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16 minutes ago, spacenavy90 said:

 

I'm not saying this is going to happen this patch, this will happen sometime later next year. And the R-73 will show up before or maybe even at the same time in its "true/bufffed" configuration. The Su-27 Flanker is coming for sure soon and it was only capable of firing the R-73, not the R-60M.

the addition of these missiles in general is not the problem. the problem is the aircraft you introduce them on. which is why it should be obvious that insane airframe + insane missile = bad

 

so i really hope that gaijin understands that good missile + meh airframe = a lot better

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