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this is a remake of the previous catalogue as i just couldn't edit it anymore (too old)

 

here i want to built up a full index that would provide the community with information as accurate and sourced as possible about the french armament and ammunition.

 

due to the large number of armament, i would put this in order. first it would be sort in order of the calibre, starting from the smallest and ending to the biggest, then i will set them in model's years.

I currently rework the format to be more understandable, using similar format as the Wiki from war thunder for the rounds performance. as i up-date them, i add the tag in the topics. if the gun you look for is not yet tagged, that only mean i either didn't updated it, or just didn't wrote anything about it yet,

 

i will keep this sort of encyclopedia as complete and up-to-date as possible. any help, correction and suggestion are welcome. if one is missing, it only mean they are not yet added but would probably get listed in his time.

 

12.7 mm

 

 

13.2mm

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Hotchkiss Mle 1929

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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the Navy and air-force. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1930 who was used by the army against ground target.

 

it was a very common short range SPAA used by the french and also exported all over the world. it is notably used by Italy and Japan who built it under license. it was used in the air force for static AA defense in twin gun mount under the name of Hotchkiss mle 1930 DCA. the navy used it in a lot of ship as AA guns. it was usually in quadri-mount.

 

 

Weight: 37.5 kg (single gun)

Magazine: 30 rounds

barrel caliber : L/76

rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm

Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)

practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)

 

used in vehicles

Citroen Kegresse P.7.T (currently in-game with a little naming mistake of the guns)

Berliet VPM

Berliet VPR2

Berliet VPH
Citroën-Kégresse P19 AA

Lorraine 28 AA

Ford Stake Bed 1941 AA

many improvised gun truck

 

Ammo

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Type O AP 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type OT AP-T 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type P APC 28 27 20 14 10 7
Type PT APC-T 28 27 20 14 10 7
Shell details
     Ammunition        Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type P APC 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type PT APC-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°

 

 

 

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Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short

 

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

 

  • projectile weight : 51,2 g

  • Velocity : 810 m/sec

 

 

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

 

Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

 

  • projectile weight : 52 g

  • Velocity : 810 m/sec

 

 

 

from the calculation, it would give 27mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

 

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a armor piercing rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

 

 

 

source

Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)

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Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941
Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_

https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France

http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723

https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329

http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html

 

 

 

Hotchkiss Mle 1930

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Weapon of type Heavy-machine-gun, used by the army for anti-personnel and anti-tank used. nearly identical to the 13.2mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929 who was used by the Navy and air-force for AA use.

 

it was a very common machine-gun used by the infantry. used on many mount, it could be carried by the infantry or used in static defense. very flexible in his used, the army however, avoided to used it as AA weapon as they was considering the bullets to be too dangerous when they fall.

 

Weight: 37.5 kg

Magazine: 30 rounds  (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)

barrel caliber : L/76

rounds size: 13.2 x 96 mm

Rate of fire: 450 min (200 practical)

practical range: 2500m (1600m vertical)

 

used in vehicles

Laffly AM 80

AMR 35 ZT-1

 

 

Ammo

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Type O AP 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type OT AP-T 24 23 14 10 7 4
Type P APC 28 27 20 14 10 7
Type PT APC-T 28 27 20 14 10 7
Shell details
     Ammunition        Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type O AP-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type P APC 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Type PT APC-T 810 0.052 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°

 

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Cartouche à balle ordinaire O or just AP type O for short

 

it was a standard armor piercing rounds used against soft target such as infantry, unarmored vehicles and aircraft. the projectile was made of carbon steel and was capped with lead. there was a brass cloak around the projectile.

can be identify by the primer seal painted either Black or Purple

 

  • projectile weight : 51,2 g

  • Velocity : 810 m/sec

 

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a standard rounds equipped with a tracer tail. it have the same ballistic as the Type O

can be identify by the primer seal painted Green

 

Cartouche à balle perforante P or AP type P

this round was a armor piercing hardened round used against armored target. the projectile was made of alliage Tunsten-steel (3% tungsten, 97% steel) and was tempered. there was a lead cap and brass cloak on the rounds

can be identify by primer seal painted Red

 

  • projectile weight : 52 g

  • Velocity : 810 m/sec

 

Cartouche à balle traçante TO or AP-T type TO

it was a armor piercing rounds equiped with a tracer tail. it have the same balistic as the Type P

can be identify by the primer seal painted Yellow

 

 

source

Hotchkiss manual (in the spoiler)

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Kennblätter fremden geräts heft 8a, Munition bis 3,6 cm" Released in Berlin 1941
Manuel du mitrailleur de terre contre avions - Annexe IV - 1935

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000852&su=Munitions_de_13,2_mm__-_

https://www.scribd.com/document/191034538/Hotchkiss-Model-1930-Heavy-Machine-Gun-France

http://www.armeetpassion.com/13,2 x 99.html

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158723

https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html

https://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329

http://www.miniatures.de/anti-tank-weapons-french.html

 

 

15 mm

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MG 151/15

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German small calliber auto-cannon, it was more effective than the 20mm version against tank, but a lot less affective against aircrafts. France had captured thos weapons is fair quantity and used it during WW2 and also after WW2 as secondary armament.

 

Weight: 38.1 kg

Magazine: 30 rounds  (20 rounds if mounted inside a tank)

barrel caliber : L/83.5

rounds size: 15 × 96 mm

Rate of fire: 740 rpm

practical range: 1000m

 

used in vehicles

Lorraine 37L mod 44
AMX 50 Foch (currently in-game)

 

Ammo

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Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
SprGr 2 2 2 2 2 2
Pzgr. L'spur 37 35 25 17 12 8
H-Pzgr. 50 48 35 25 18 12
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
SprGr HEFI 960 0.06 0 0.1 1.4 79° 80° 81°
Pzgr. L'spur API-T 850 0.07 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
H-Pzgr. HVAP 1020 0,05 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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CA 39 Oerlikon

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Ammo

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Penetration statistics
Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
HEF 2 2 2 2 2 2
APT 42 40 30 21 15 11
HEFI-T 2 2 2 2 2 2
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
20 mm HEF-I HEF-I 838 0.12 0 0.1 6 79° 80° 81°
20 mm AP-T AP-T 830 0.14 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
20 mm HEFI-T HEFI-T 838 0.12 0 0.1 5 79° 80° 81°

 

 

 

 

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HS 820

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weapon of type Auto-cannon, designed by Hispano-Suiza to replace the HS 404

 

very performing, and very appreciated, the HS 820 chamber longer rounds over the HS 404 and have a much higher velocity and fire rate. this weapon was capable to be belt-feed, drum freed or magazine feed. it was used as much against ground target than it was for air-target. it was very commonly used for IFV vehicles. it was bought by Oerlikon who renamed it Oerlikon KAD.

 

Weight: 66 kg

Magazine: 60 rounds  (or belt)

barrel caliber : unknown

rounds size: 20 x 139 mm

Rate of fire: 1000 min

practical range: 1500m (against arial target)

 

used in vehicles

AMX VCI

AMX VCI H20

M3 VDA

M3 VCA

VAB VDAA

ACMAT VLRA

 

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OPT (AP-T)

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standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.

 

 

  • projectile weight : 112 g

  • Velocity : 1100 m/sec

 

 

RIA (APHEI)

standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.

 

  • projectile weight : 120 g

  • Velocity : 1100 m/sec

  • explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)

 

 

 

OPTSOC (APDS)

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APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202

 

  • projectile weight : 109 g

  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

 

 

 

OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")

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APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shorterned version OPTSOC.

 

  • projectile weight : unknown

  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

 

APFSDS
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APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.

 

  • projectile weight : assumed to be 109g

  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

 

 

 

 

 UIA (HEI-T)

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standard high explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.

 

  • projectile weight : 120 g

  • Velocity : 1050 m/sec

  • explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)

 

 

 

 

source

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7

https://dokumen.tips/documents/ammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-mmpdfammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-the-ammunition.html

https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm

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MG 151/20

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German auto-cannon that was captured in large number after WW2, this armament somewhat obsolete, was often incorporated to the French vehicles for the AA use or as secondary armament. the relatively low velocity of his rounds make it a poor AT armament but the HE rounds are effective against air-targets

 

Weight: 42.7 kg

Magazine: belt

barrel calibre : L/55

rounds size: 20 x 82 mm

Rate of fire: 600 rpm

practical range: 800m (against aerial target)

 

used in vehicles

Chenillette Hotchkiss DCA

AMX 12 Quadritube

Lorraine 155 Mle.50(currently in-game)

Lorraine 155 Mle.51

Automoteur Batignolles-Chatillon 155mm

AMX 50 Surblindé (currently in-game)

AMX 50 Surbaissé (currently in-game) - missing ingame

 

Ammo

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Penetration statistics
Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M-Gesch.Ptr 2 2 2 2 2 2
Pzsprgr Lspur 23 21 15 9 5 2
PzGr 27 25 18 12 8 6
Belt details
Belt Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Pzsprgr Lspur APHE 720 0.12 0 0.1 10 47° 60° 65°
PzGr AP-T 720 0.117 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M-Gesch.Ptr HE 785 0.18 0 0.1 30 66° 70° 72°

 

 

 

 

 

 

M693 F2

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weapon of type auto-cannon. using the same ammunition as the HS820.

 

originally based on the HS 820, the M693 F2 was developed for the French Navy. it was a dual belt feed version of the gun who allow a much longer magazine. designed to be a AA gun, it show similar performance to the HS 820 and was used by the army for the IFV and Coaxial gun for the MBT. the dual feed allow a quick switch between different type of ammunition.

 

Weight: 71 kg

Magazine: belt

barrel caliber : L/100

rounds size: 20 x 139 mm

Rate of fire: 900 min

practical range: 1500m (against arial target)

 

Variant

  • F2 - naval version
  • M692 - army version

 

used in vehicles

AML 60-20

AML 60-20 Serval

AMX-30B (currently in-game)

AMX-30B (1972) (currently in-game)

AMX-30B2 (currently in-game)

AMX-30B2 BRENUS (currently in-game)

AMX-30C

AMX-30 Super (currently in-game)
AMX 32

AMX 32 120 (currently in-game)

AMX 40 (currently in-game)

AMX 10P

 

 

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Penetration statistics
Belt Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
UIA 3 3 3 3 3 3
RIA 48 43 30 19 11 6
OPT 57 52 37 24 15 10
RIA 48 43 30 19 11 6
OPTSOC 83 75 59 45 29 15
OPTSOC Racourcie ? ? ? ? ? ?
APFSDS 80 76 70 65 57 50
Belt details
Belt Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
UIA HFI-T 1,050 0.145 0.05 0.1 15 79° 80° 81°
RIA AP-T 1,050 0.120 0.05 0.1 N6 47° 60° 65°
OPT APHE 1,100 0.112 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
OPTSOC APDS 1,250 0.109 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
OPTSOC Racourcie APDS 1,250 ? N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
APFSDS APFSDS 1.250 ? N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°

 

OPT (AP-T)

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standard AP round made with steel and a tungsten core.

 

 

  • projectile weight : 112 g

  • Velocity : 1100 m/sec

 

 

RIA (APHEI)

standard multi-purpose rounds used for the HS-820. this round was ideal for light armored vehicles, infantry and aircraft.

 

  • projectile weight : 120 g

  • Velocity : 1100 m/sec

  • explosive : 4.5 g (type Hexal)

 

OPTSOC (APDS)

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APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. this rounds could also be used on the RH202

 

  • projectile weight : 109 g

  • Velocity : 1300 m/sec

 

penetration (reported)

  • 20 mm at 850 meter, angle 60°

 

OPTSOC "racourcie" (APDS "short")

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APDS round capable to provide more penetration on the HS820. it was a shortened version OPTSOC.

 

  • projectile weight : unknown

  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

 

APFSDS
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WmTLiLP.png

APDS rounds used for the HS 820 and the RH202. it was developed in the 70s. the dart was reduced to around 9mm and was made of steel. this rounds could deal with medium armored target.

 

  • projectile weight : assumed to be 109g

  • Velocity : 1250 m/sec

 

 

 UIA (HEI-T)

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standard High explosive round with incendiary effect and tracer for the HS820. perfect against soft target.

 

  • projectile weight : 120 g

  • Velocity : 1050 m/sec

  • explosive : 10 g (type Hexal)

 

 

 

 

source

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/20mm-apfsds-t-help/40826/7

https://dokumen.tips/documents/ammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-mmpdfammunition-20-x-139-mm-general-the-ammunition.html

https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/an_introduction_to_collecting_20.htm

https://weaponsystems.net/system/1010-20mm+Giat+M693

 

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SA34

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weapon of type field-gun, it was the most commonly used anti-tank gun in the french army. built in large number and rather light, the 25mm SA34 was easy to transport and to man while still very efficient against tanks.

 

built by Hotchkiss, this gun was created to replace the 37mm 1916 TR in used by the infantry as anti-tank weapon. being already acknowledged to be offering a excellent penetration in the early 30s, France had to consider even create tank with even thicker armour in order to not leave them vulnerable of fear other country would had similar weapons. been mainly a field gun, this gun was also used as portee gun on many vehicles.

 

 

Variants

25 AC mle 1934 : fortress version for the Maginot line

SA-35 : shortened version  tank-gun.

SA-L 37 : pretty much the same gun built built lighter to allow the infantry to move it more easily.

 

Weight: 90  kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/77

rounds size: 25 x 193mm R

Rate of fire: 15 to 20 rpm

range : 1600 m

practical range: 800m

sight: L.671

sight Magnification: 4x

 

used on vehicles

Renault UE

Bren Universal Carrier Version 1, Version 2

Laffly S20 TL

Moris 15CWT

Batignolles Chatillon DP-2

Marmon-Herrington Mark III (sa-l 37)

 

Ammo

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Mle1934 Balle Ordinaire, or Type O (APC)

a steel rounds provided to used against soft target and during training. it was made of steel with lead cap.

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  • projectile weight : 320 g

  • Velocity : 918 m/sec

 

penetration (estimated)

 

  • 58 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 46 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 30 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

Mle1934 Balle chemisee perforent, or Type P (APCR)

standard anti-tank rounds. built with hardened lead , having a tungsten core and brass skin, the bullet core was almost the full size of the bullet. this rounds was know to be very effective against armor but by 1940, it was consider to be too small to deal enough damage.

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  • projectile weight : 320 g

  • Velocity : 918 m/sec

 

penetration (estimated)

 

  • 65 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 52 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 34 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

Mle1934 Balle chemisee tracrante perforent, or Type TP (APCR-T)

this rounds was the same as the Type P only with a tracer tail allowing the gunner to know where he shot

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  • projectile weight : 320 g

  • Velocity : 918 m/sec

 

penetration (estimated)

 

  • 65 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 52 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 34 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

 

Mle1934 Balle a portée réduite, or Type PR (AP)

it was a reduced range training round who was made of steel without Lead cap. casing received less propelling charge.

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  • projectile weight : 320 g

  • Velocity : 750 m/sec

 

penetration (estimated)

 

  • 41 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 17 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 5 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

 

 

source

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9610355j/f33.item.r=canon de 25

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9610481c/f92.item.r=hotchkiss 25 mm

http://ww2f.com/threads/french-25mm-atgs.41131/

https://panzerworld.com/armor-penetration-table

http://www.panzer-war.com/page62.html

http://www.tbof.us/data/tanks/panhard/panhard.htm

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000731

 

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weapon of type tank-gun, it was the not very common in the french army but built a good reputation on the AMD 35.

 

built by Puteaux, this gun was created for mounting it on vehicles inside turrets. been based on the SA34 field gun, it do not share the same ammo. as the gun was significantly shorter, the SA35 compensated the short barrel with higher propelling charge in the rounds to keep them have similar velocity. due to the shorter barrel, the accuracy was reduced.

 

 

Weight: 90  kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/47

rounds size: 25 x 193mm R

Rate of fire: 15 to 20 rpm

practical range: 800m

sight: L.671

sight Magnification: 4x

 

used on vehicles

AMD 35 (currently in-game with a mistake on the gun name)

AMR 35 ZT-2

AMR 35 ZT-3 (currently in-game with a mistake on the gun name)

AMC 34 apx-2

AMC 35 (prototype)

Panhard AM 40 P

 

Ammo

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Mle1934 Balle Ordinaire (charge forte), or Type O (APC)

a steel rounds provided to used against soft target and during training. it was made of steel with lead cap.

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  • projectile weight : 320 g

  • Velocity : 950 m/sec

 

penetration (estimated)

 

  • 63 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 48 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 33 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

Mle1934 Balle chemisee perforent (charge forte), or Type P (APCR)

standard anti-tank rounds. built with hardened lead , having a tungsten core and brass skin, the bullet core was almost the full size of the bullet. this rounds was know to be very effective against armor but by 1940, it was consider to be too small to deal enough damage.

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  • projectile weight : 320 g

  • Velocity : 950 m/sec

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penetration (reported)

 

  • 49 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 40 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 30 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

penetration (estimated and in-game performance)

 

  • 68 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 56 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 44 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

Mle1934 Balle chemisee tracrante perforent (charge forte) , or Type TP (APCR-T)

this rounds was the same as the Type P only with a tracer tail allowing the gunner to know where he shot

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  • projectile weight : 320 g

  • Velocity : 950 m/sec

 

penetration (estimated)

 

  • 68 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 56 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 44 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

 

Mle1934 Balle a portée réduite (charge forte), or Type PR (AP)

it was a reduced range training round who was made of steel without Lead cap. casing received less propelling charge.

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  • projectile weight : 320 g

  • Velocity : 790 m/sec

 

penetration (estimated)

 

  • 44 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 20 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 5 mm at 1 000 meter, angle 0°

 

 

 

source

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9610355j/f33.item.r=canon de 25

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9610481c/f92.item.r=hotchkiss 25 mm

http://ww2f.com/threads/french-25mm-atgs.41131/

https://panzerworld.com/armor-penetration-table

http://www.panzer-war.com/page62.html

http://www.tbof.us/data/tanks/panhard/panhard.htm

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000731

 

 

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weapon of type anti-aircraft auto-cannon. developed in the 30s, sold in license to Japan under the name of 25mm Type 96

 

while been built by Hotchkiss and of the same calibre, this weapon is not related to the 25mm SA34. based on the Hotchkiss 13.2mm Mle 29, the 25mm CA is more or less a scaled up version. built in the 30s for answering the french need of small anti-aircraft static gun, it was at first not retained in favour for the 37mm Schneider auto-cannon. it meet some success in export, first with the Japanese, then the Romanian. as the 37mm development was slow, the 25mm CA was finally accepted to services in emergency in 1939. equipping the ship, army and defending the airfield, this gun was used pretty much everywhere but in too small quantity.

 

 

Weight: 115  kg

Magazine: 10 & 15 rounds box

barrel calibre : L/60

rounds size: 25  x 163 mm

Rate of fire: see variants,with adjustable fire-rate mode

practical range: 3000m (suppress fire)

 

Variants

CA mle 38  : base model (rate of fire= 220/260)

CA mle 39 : improved version, with additional recoil damper under the barrel, more accurate and better fire rate (rate of fire= 250/300)

CA mle 40 : improved version for navy, better fire-rate and usually come in twin mount (rate of fire = 300/400)

 

used on vehicles

Citroen Type 23U (25mm CA mle 39)

GMC ACK (25mm CA mle 38)

 

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Balle perforente mle 39 (AP & AP-T)

standard armour piercing rounds for the 25mm, it also come with a tracer version.

 

Weight : 260 g

Velocity : 875 m/sec

 

penetration (ingame)

53mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

44mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

37mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

32mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

29mm at 2000 meter, angle 0°

 

penetration (estimated)

48mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

39mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

32mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

27mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

24mm at 2000 meter, angle 0°

 

obus explosive Mle 1938 (HE)

self destructive high explosive round for the 25mm

 

Weight : 240 g

explosive Filler : 10g

Velocity : 900 m/sec

 

obus explosive mle 1939 (HE-T)

self destructive high explosive round with tracer for the 25mm

 

Weight : 240 g

explosive Filler : 10g

Velocity : 900 m/sec

 

source

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_25mm-60_Hotchkiss.php

https://en.topwar.ru/152018-nemeckie-malokalibernye-zenitnye-ustanovki-protiv-sovetskoj-aviacii-chast-6.html

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=81476&sid=51de3049832a2fd0a783525918d8b91c

 

M811

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Weapon of type Tank-auto-cannon.

 

this wapon is a dual feed auto-cannon developed in the 80s to arm the next generation of IFV in France but also for export. it was said to be very accurate even in automatic fire mode. it was externally operated making the recoil unnecessary to reload the next rounds and allow a better fire rate. the gun was notably exported to Turkey and used in France in various vehicles who didn't saw success.

 

 

Weight: 120  kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : unknown

rounds size: 25  x 137 mm R

Rate of fire: 120 or 400 rpm (controlled fire-rate)

practical range: 1500m

 

used on vehicles

AMX 10P Dragar

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weapon of type dual purpose auto-cannon. exported by Switzerland all around the world.

 

dual purpose anti-tank/anti-aircraft auto-cannon, developed in the early 50 by the Swiss part of hispano-suiza. it was exported to many country including France before getting renamed Oerlikon KCB.in France, the gun was mounted in SPAA to provide the armoured units anti-aircraft cover. they also exported them to other country. Hispano-suiza was providing them with part and rounds at will.
 

Weight: 138  kg

Magazine: belt or

barrel calibre : L/75

rounds size: 30 x 170 mm R

Rate of fire: 600 rpm

practical range: 3000m

 

used on vehicles

AMX 13 DCA

AMX 30s (Currently in game under the name of AMX 30 DCA)

Berliet HSS 831

 

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unknown name (SAPHE)

semi-armour piercing round for lightly armoured target.

 

weight : 360 g

Velocity : 1080 m/sec

explosive filler : 18 g (Hexal)

 

Penetration (ingame)

50mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

39 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°

29 mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

21mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

16mm at 2000 meter, angle 0°

 

L14A2 (APDS)

armour piercing discard sabot round built by UK for the 30mm RARDEN gun but sold under license to Oerlikon in 1992 (only the AMX 30s was still in service by them)

 

weight : 300 g

Velocity : 1175 m/sec

 

Penetration (ingame)

101mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

95mm at 500 meter, angle 0°

61mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

52mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

41mm at 2000 meter, angle 0°

 

OEI (HEI)

standard High explosive round for the 30mm HSS 831

 

weight : 360 g

Velocity : 1080 m/sec

explosive filler : 36 g (Hexal)

 

OEIT (HEI-T)

standard High explosive round with tracer for the 30mm HSS 831

 

weight : 360 g

Velocity : 1080 m/sec

explosive filler : 26 g (Hexal)

 

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a weapon of type tank-gun. it was used by the French army since 1918 and based on the infantry gun, the 37 mm modèle 1916 TR. it was still in service in 1940 in a large number of tanks. it was modified for the most modern of them, the H35, R35 and FCM36. it also receive light modification for the cavalry vehicles from the late 20s.

 

it was a very common tank gun used by France before the WW2. it was clearly obsolete by the time of WW2 and still thousand modern tank had it as main armament until 1940 (and even some last until 1945) in the french army. it was also very common around the world due to the success of the french export with the Renault FT. not designed to fight other armoured vehicles, this gun suffer of his low velocity making the rounds lack of penetration.

 

Variants

SA18 (original) : conversion of the 37 mm modèle 1916 TR into tank gun

SA18 Mod 1937 : modernization of the SA18 to chamber new rounds and mounting it in new turret

SA18 (cavalry) : modified barrel for receiving conical muzzle.

 

Weight: 110  kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/21

rounds size: 37 x 94mm R

Rate of fire: 10 to 20 rpm

practical range: 500m

 

used in vehicles

Renault FT

Renault NC-1

Renault NC-2

AMC Schneider P 16 (cavalry gun)

AMD Panhard TOE (cavalry gun)

White AM Mle 1917/18

White-Laffly AMD 50

Renault R35 (with modification of 1937)

Renault R40, only the early batch (with modification of 1937)

H35 (with modification of 1937) (currently in-game)

H38 (with modification of 1937)

FCM36 (with modification of 1937) (currently in-game)

other vehicles receive the Renault FT turret as temporary turret for crew training.

 

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Ammunition Type of

warhead

Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Mle 1888 APHE 12 10 6 4 2 1
Mle 1916 AP 16 14 9 7 5 2
1892 m.24 APHE 16 14 8 6 4 2
Mle1935 APCR 27 24 15 10 8 6
Mle1937 APCR 36 28 18 12 9 8
Brandt 37/25 APDS 54 51 45 38 30 23
Mle 1916 HE 2 2 2 2 2 2
Mle1937 HE 3 3 3 3 3 3
Shell details
Ammunition Type of

warhead

Velocity

(m/s)

Projectile

Mass (kg)

Fuse delay

(m)

Fuse sensitivity

(mm)

Explosive Mass

(TNT equivalent) (g)

Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Mle 1888 APHE 401 0.455 0.5 0.1 22 47° 60° 66°
Mle 1916 AP 410 0.45 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
Mle 1892 m.24 APHE 388 0.555 0.5 0.1 15 47° 60° 65°
Mle 1935 APCR 600 0.39 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Mle 1937 APCR 600 0.5 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
Brandt 37/25 APDS 825 0.30 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
Mle 1888 HE 440 0.367 0.01 0.1 30 79° 80° 81°
Mle 1937 HE 440 0.555 0.01 0.1 56 79° 80° 81°

 

Obus en fonte Mle 1888 (APHE)

this was a training round who had a blunt tip.

 

Weight : 455 g

Velocity : 401 m/sec

explosive filler : 22 g

 

 

 

Obus de rupture Mle 1892 m.24 (APHE)

this rounds was the most used rounds for the SA18. initially design for usage in WW2, this rounds was meant to provide some support against rather hard target such as the house, pillbox and trench. but not really made for armored vehicles as it was designed in a time where there was no armored vehicles. it was made of steel with a bit of explosive filler made of black powder.

 

Weight : 555 g

Velocity : 388 m/sec

explosive filler : 15 g

 

Penetration (various source agree)

15mm at 0 meter, angle 0°

13 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

 

Obus ogival plein Mle 1916

initially used for instruction, it was used in WW2 for anti-tank purpose. this round was a simple round made of steel. it could not really be effective against a proper tank, but an armored car, it would be capable to destroy it.

 

Weight : 450 g

Velocity : 401 m/sec

 

 

 

Obus de rupture Mle 1935 (APCR)

improved rounds design for anti-tank use. it was solid rounds made of magnesium and hardened steel (possibly having 3% of tungsten). this rounds was producing a white flash at the impact with possible incendiary effect.

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Weight : 390 g

Velocity : 600 m/sec

 

 

 

Obus de rupture Mle 1937 (APCR)

more compact rounds used based on the mle 1935. with a magnesium cloak and hardened steel core. this rounds was producing a white flash at the impact with possible incendiary effect.

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this round was only used on the SA18 modified 1937

 

Weight : 500 g

Velocity : 600 m/sec

 

Obus Brandt 37/25 (experimental APDS)

experimental sub-caliber round tested in late 1939/1940 to improve the 37mm gun, this rounds was said to be capable to provide a performance similar tot eh 25mm SA34 anti-tank gun. it was made with a 25mm projectile with a possible 20mm tungsten core. there seem to had been an order of 200,000 of those rounds for the infantry but there is no details about this order was delivered or not.

 

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he average weight of Steel : 7.80 g/ cm3

the average weight of tungsten : 19.25 g/cm3

 

knowing the basic weight of the composite, the only thing i need to do is to evaluate the volume of the projectile

i happen to had found a photo of the rounds who give away a lot of information about his proportion. stating with the fact that the rounds is a sub-caliber rounds of 25mm, we can start with the 25mm for a referential data of the total weight.

 

from what i do understand about this picture, is it was a display of the rounds and his various composition. you might notice the right part have 2 empty hole, that was probably meant to have the whole projectile without Sabot and the Tungsten core next to it.

 

so we will just evaluate the size of those part to get a approximate weight. that is not verified weight but just estimation. that might be different in real but it would at least allow Gaijin to have a bit of referenced guess work rather than randomly assume his weight by using other round (like the Swedish APDS) i will give you the measurement picture. i simply count the pixel to evaluate the dimension.

 

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reference measurement

Red A : 70 pixel = 25mm (about 2.8 pixel by mm)

Red B : 105 pixel = 37mm (about 2.83 pixel by mm)

 

that seem close enough to estimate the size as there is similar result on both using a rule of 2.81 pixel by mm.

 

 

here is the measurement of the cylindrical part of the projectile in blue (will be calculated as a cylinder)

Blue A : 70 pixel = 25mm

Blue B : 111 pixel = 43mm

giving a 21.108 cm3

 

here is the measurement of the pointy end of the projectile in green (will be calculated as a cone) the angle is not perfect so the calculation is adjusted to 1mm = 2.64 pixel

Green A : 66 pixel = 25mm

Green B : 154 pixel = 58mm

giving a 9.49 cm3

 

the estimate total volume of the projectile should be around 30.6 cm3

but it seem there was also a tungsten core inside. that is likely to be the small empty hole at the far right. i would just calculate this core and calculate the both part with different weight reference, so we should get the proximate weight of the real projectile

 

 

reference measurement

Red A : 70 pixel = 25mm (about 2.8 pixel by mm)

Red B : 105 pixel = 37mm (about 2.83 pixel by mm)

 

i will just measure the core as a cone from the start. but i will do in two part. since the tips is a lot less sharp than the rest.

 

Yellow A : 54 pixel = 19.3 mm

Yellow B : 147 pixel = 52.5 mm

giving 4.962 cm3

 

with those two part estimated, we can calculate the total volume of the rounds, but we need to be careful, as the core would be inside the projectile so we got to remove the core volume from the total projectile volume in order to calculate his weight separately.

 

30.6 - 4.96 = 25.64

 

the projectile vole would be around 26.25 cm3 without the core. that would be the volume of the steel part of the rounds.

 

25.64 x 7.8 = 199.992

 

199.99 is the estimate weight in grams of the round without core. let's just say 200g

 

now the core. it is to assume it was made of pure tungsten or almost pure one.

 

4.96 x 19.25 = 95.48

 

let,s simplify it to 95..5 winch would be the weight of the core in grams.

 

 

there is not much details about this rounds weight, but i manage to estimate the weight to about 295 to 310 gr.

 

Weight : 295 g (low estimation)

Velocity : 825 m/sec

 

 

Obus explosif Mle 1916 (HE)

standard ww1 explosive round used for support and clearing the trench.

 

Weight : 367 g

Velocity : 440 m/sec

explosive filler : 30 g

 

Obus explosif Mle 1937 (HE)

improved explosive rounds who carry more explosive than the previous one making it a rather good support round.

 

Weight : 555 g

Velocity : 440 m/sec

explosive filler : 56 g

 

Boite a balle mle 1908 (grape shot)

rounds containing small balls to give a "shotgun" effect. to used against the infantry

 

Weight : 555 g

 

Boite a balle mle 1918 (grape shot)

rounds containing small balls to give a "shotgun" effect. to used against the infantry

 

Weight : 710 g

 

 

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weapon of type fortress-gun. developed in the early 30s in order to be used in the Maginot line.

 

gun built by puteaux to be used in the Maginot line when the space do not allow the installation of the 47mm AC 1934. the gun was having good performance and excellent anti-tank capacity but not as good as the 47mm version. this gun was naturally been favoured to be mounted on the light tank destroyer vehicles required by France in the mid 30s (finally they got the AMR 35 ZT-3)

 

 

Weight: 142kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : about L/50

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 18 to 20 rpm

effective range : 800m

sight: APX L 652 

 

 

used in vehicles

Renault VE "Type P"

 

 

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Boulet de rupture mle 1936 (APBC)

anti tank round used for the AC 1934 gun. it was by far the most performant 37mm round in service in the french army during ww2. it was a full steel round with hardened tip and a balistic cap.

 

Weight of projectile : 0.9kg

velocity : 815 m/sec

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1938 (HE)

round adapted from the 37mm SA38 to be used in the AC mle 1934. the round was been studied in 1940 but not put into service before the end of WW2. it was to give anti-personal capacity to the gun

 


Weight of projectile : 0.67 kg

explosive filler : 60 g

velocity : at least 600 m/sec

 

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SA38

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weapon of type tank-gun. developed in the late 30s in order to replace the SA18 in the modern tank. this gun was rather efficient at his time and allow a decent AT capacity on the french tanks making them capable to fight at equal value with German tanks.

 

made for the APX-R1 turret specifically, this gun was replacing the SA18 as main light tank gun. if France had planed to replace the SA18 quickly, it wasn't before 1940 they had enough SA38 to stop installing the SA18 in new tanks. this gun could penetrate the front of a German tank at 500m, distance of which, the French armour was too tick for the German weapons. while showing good performance, the gun still suffer of the lack of penetration and without wider range of ammunition, it was doomed to be soon obsolete. France was already planing to move from 37mm to 47mm for the light tank by the time. the SA38 was going to be the last 37mm of the french tanks.

 

 

Weight: about 300kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/33

rounds size: 37x149R mm

Rate of fire: 20 rpm

range: 1400 m

effective range : 600-800m

sight: L767 Sight

sight Magnification: 4x

 

 

 

used in vehicles

H35

H39 (currently in-game)

R35 (currently in-game)

R40

AMX 38

FCM 36 (test only)

 

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Obus de rupture Mle 1938 (APC)

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standard AT tank round. it was actually well capable to penetrate the front of a German tank at safe combat distance. but it was however still weak at long range. this round was made of full steel core with magnesium cap to make a flash when the round hit the target and see where the gun had hit. the flash also have incendiary effect.


Weight of projectile : 0.7kg

velocity : 705 m/sec

 

Penetration (from various source, but do not seem plausible)

  • 38 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 28 mm at 400 meter, angle 0°
  • 23 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°

 

Penetration (from french test)

  • 32 mm at 400 meter, angle 25°

 

penetration (in-game, they seem close enough to the french test.)

  • 50 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 36 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 34 mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

 

Obus explosive mle 1938 HE

standard high explosive round to provide fire-support.

 


Weight of projectile : 0.67 kg

explosive filler : 60 g

velocity : 600 m/sec

 

 

 

source

http://www.tbof.us/data/tanks/h39/hotchkiss_h39.htm

http://www.ww2f.com/threads/french-tank-guns-in-world-war-ii.63716/

http://www.panzer-war.com/page62.html

http://france1940.free.fr/armee/ac_stats.html

https://wwiitanks.co.uk/FORM-Gun_Data.php?I=40

 

 

 

 

 

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SA34

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a weapon of type tank-gun. it was used by the French army since 1935 and based on the Navy gun, the 47mm mle 1885 marine. it was still in service in 1940 in a small number of 2nd line tanks.

 

it was a rather uncommon gun used on small number of tanks. about 200 tanks receive this armament and was considered unsuitable for combat. the SA34 was soon replaced by the SA35 and many of the tanks mounted the SA34 was rearmed with the SA35. the gun suffer of the low velocity and his lack of penetration. most of the tanks armed with the SA34 was send away in the colony to be used as 2nd line tanks but due to the heavy lose of the battle of France, they was nearly all called back to France to fight the German where the gun was barely capable to fight tanks. this gun was built by Hotchkiss

 

Weight: about 300kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/30

rounds size: 47x139R mm

Rate of fire: 15 rpm

range: 1100 m

effective range : 400m

sight: L.671

sight Magnification: 4x

 

used in vehicles

Char D1

Char D2 (early batch)

Char B1

AMC 34 YR APX-1ce (currently in-game)

 

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Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Mle1892G APHE 27 26 20 15 11 8
Type D HE 3 3 3 3 3 3
Mle 1932 HE 4 4 4 4 4 4
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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Mle1892G APHE 450 1.48 1.2 6 50 47° 60° 65°
Type D HE 490 1.25 0.1 1 Unknown 47° 60° 65°
Mle 1932 HE 480 1.41 0.1 1 142 47° 60° 65°

 

 

Obus de rupture Mle1892G

this was a standard rounds initially design to be used on the 47 mm mle 1885 marine gun who also armed some of the D1 tanks (non-standard variants and pre-production series) this was a full steel round with 50g of black pounder filler. it was the only Standard anti-tank round used by the SA34 but also used other rounds.


Weight of projectile : 1.480 kg (50 g explosive)

velocity : 450 m/sec

 

 

Obus explosif type D

a officially issue rounds for the SA34. it was created for using in the 47 mm mle 1885 marine gun but was also used on the SA34 as it share the same rounds cartridge. this round was an explosive rounds who had a rather limited anti-tank capacity. it was used to clear trench and fortification.

 

Velocity: 490 m/sec

Weight : 1.25 kg

Explosive filler : unknown

 

Obus Explosif Mle 1932

a officially issue rounds for the SA34. it was created for using in the SA34 as it share the same rounds cartridge. this round was an explosive rounds who had a rather limited anti-tank capacity. it was used to clear trench and fortification.

 

Velocity: 480 m/sec

Weight : 1.41 kg

Explosive filler : 142 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

 

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https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/4763836/dl-ammunition-gunsightspdf-tarrifnet

https://www.littlewars.se/french1940/gundata.html

https://deuxiemeguerremondia.forumactif.com/t8521-performances-antichars-comparees

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000280&su=Canon_de_47_mm_modèle_1902_-_47_mle_1902

 

SA35

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a weapon of type tank-gun. it was used by the French army since 1936 and based on the field gun, the 47 mm APX anti-tank gun. it was still in service in 1945 and was a effective anti-tank gun very common in the french first line tanks.

 

been very common in the french army in WW2, this gun was said to be extremely effective against German armor during the battle of France. built by Puteaux, it was a very successful gun. capable to penetrate the front of a panzer at 800m, the gun was still in usage in some tanks in 1945 even if it was out-dated by this time. it was the most effective anti-tank tank-gun in the french army before 1940. some early french post war armored car receive this gun as main armament and saw services in the colony until the 60s.

 

Weight: about 300kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/32

rounds size: 47x193R mm

Rate of fire: 15 rpm

range: 1600 m

effective range : 900-1000 m

sight: L.724 (in APX-1 turret) L.763 (in APX-4 turret) L.731 (in APX-1ce & APX-2 turret)

sight Magnification: 4x

 

Used in vehicles

Char D2 (currently ingame)

Char B1 mod 1940

Char B1bis (currently ingame)

Char B1ter (currently ingame)

Somua S.35 (currently ingame)

Renault AMC 35 (currently ingame)

AMD 35 TD

Panhard 178B

Char G1 (not installed)

 

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Obus de rupture Mle1932 (AP)

this was a forgetten rounds initally available for the SA35. it seem to be similar to the mle1935 but a bit heavier.

 

i got little details about this rounds and there seem to be confusion with the mle1935. clarification is needed.

 

 

Weight : 1.65 g

Velocity : 665 m/sec

 

Penetration (calculated performance)

  • 59 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 47 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 36 mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

 

Obus de rupture Mle1935 (APC)

standard rounds for the SA35. with ballistic cap (unknown composition of this cap) the manufacture of this rounds suffer of many disparity of the rounds weight and charge weight making the rounds have various effectiveness. but all of them was good enough to penetrate any German tanks at 800m which was more than enough. the weight variation can reach 50g.

 

 

Weight : 1.5 g

Velocity : 700 m/sec

 

Penetration (Gaijin performance)

  • 59 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 47 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 36 mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

Penetration (historically reported)

  • 69 mm at 100 meter, angle 0°
  • 53 mm at 500 meter, angle 0°
  • 40 mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°


Obus explosif Mle1932 (HE)

explosive round created for the field gun and the SA34, converted for the SA35 and to be used for support.


Weight of projectile : 1.410 kg (143g explosive)
Length of projectile : 183mm
Velocity : 590 m/s

 

 

source

Armement et efficacité des munitions

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https://pdfhost.io/v/FC.t3hm0G_47cm_f_2.pdf

http://france1940.free.fr/armee/ac_stats.html

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/french-47mm-pre-ww1-rounds/26630

https://wwiitanks.co.uk/FORM-Gun_Data.php?I=42

 

 

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a weapon of type tank-gun. it was used by the French army since 1937 and based on the field gun, the 47 mm APX anti-tank gun. it was considered as the best anti-tank gun from France during WW2.

 

been rather common in the french army in WW2 as field, this gun was extremely effective against German armor during the battle of France. built by APX. it was a very effect gun. capable to penetrate the front of a panzer at 1500m. sadly, the production of this gun couldn't reach the french requirement and this gun was too rare in the battlefield to make a great difference. it was to be the successor of the SA35 as tank guns but it never been mounted inside a tank turret. however, some 1940 tank hunter vehicles had this gun as main armament.

 

 

Weight: about 300kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/53

rounds size: 47x380R mm

Rate of fire: 15 rpm

range: 6500 m

effective range : 1500 m

sight: L.748

sight Magnification: 4x

 

used in vehicles

Lorraine 37L CC (currently ingame)

Laffly W15TSS

 

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Obus de Rupture Coiffé mle 1936 (CAPPED)

a APCBC rounds used as standard amour-piercing rounds for the SA37. it was made of of steel-core with hardened tips and a magnesium cap who produce a big flash on impact causing incendiary effect (this flash was mostly to allow the gunner's crew to know where they hit). this rounds was the best anti-tank rounds in service in the french army during the battle of France. for hardening the steel, France added a bit of Tungsten in it making a composite of 3% tungsten, 97% steel. while the soft steel only had carbon and iron. this rounds was producing a white flash at the impact with possible incendiary effect.

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projectile weight : 1.73 kg

projectile velocity : 855 m/sec

 

 

currently in game with a half corrected penetration

 

original penetration at introduction in-game, those data was probably because they through this round to be a regular AP

90mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

73mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

56mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

43mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

 

New penetration. better but not yet that. it seem they had took the German source

100mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

81mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

62mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

48mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

 

Actual penetration, from French source and after considering the rounds composite, the formula also indicate similar performance.

106mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

89mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

72mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

57mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

 

Obus de Rupture APX mle 1936 (UNCAPPED)

it almost the same rounds as the Obus de rupture coiffé mle 1936 only it do not have the Magnesium ballistic cap who cause the incendiary effect. the rest of the round would not be much affected. the similarity of the round might had cause the disparity between the German and french test result.

 

 

projectile weight : 1,670 Kg

projectile velocity : 880 m/sec

 

penetration

93mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

73mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

56mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

44mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

 

Obus d'Exercise Mle 1938

this was considered as Semi-piercing round standardized for the SA37, mainly used for exercise but also used in combat. it was identical to the obus de rupture Mle 1936 but without hardened steel. it was a full regular steel rounds without tungsten. the round was a lot cheaper and had a lot less penetration.

 

projectile weight : 1.726 kg 

projectile velocity : 855 m/sec

 

pénétration

90mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

73mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

56mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

43mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

 

Obus Explosif Mle 1932 (non standard)

while not officially issue to the SA37 because the french army didn't wanted the SA37 to be use as artillery support (they was affray the french anti-tank gun would keep shooting at long range and give away their position too easily) the mobile SPG could have receive this rounds and used it as they could easily change position after a few fire. this was the same projectile as the one used on the SA34 and SA35. this rounds like some other could just be mounted on different case.  like the one used on the SA37. the German acknowledged the usage of this HE rounds on the SA37.

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Velocity: 590 m/sec (with SA35)

Weight : 1.41 kg

Explosive filler : 142 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

Obus de Rupture mle 1935 (non standard)

this rounds was allowed to used only in emergency. the reason was the rounds was over using the inside of the barrel causing it to worm out quickly. this round was also inferior in penetration than the standard rounds. it was originally design to be used on the SA35 but was also adapted to the SA34 and SA37 by mounting the projectile on the other gun's standard casing. because of the collar a tiny bit bigger than the gun is designed for (who are the cause of the barrel to worm out) the rounds velocity might be inferior than the obus de rupture Mle 1936 despite to be lighter and have the same propelling charge. there is little data know so we could put the standard velocity as guess work until given a clearer answer,

 

projectile weight : 1.620 kg

projectile velocity : Est. 800-875 m/sec

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penetration data estimate with a guessed velocity of 855 m/sec

86mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

68mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

50mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

37mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

 

 

 

source

German Manual about the 47mm SA37

German Manual about the 47mm SA35

http://www.tbof.us/data/tanks/s35/somua_s35.htm

https://atf40.1fr1.net/t6585-douille-de-47mm

https://atf40.1fr1.net/t16008-document-technique-obus-47mm-mle37

https://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=6058

Bolt action, armies of france and allied

French armament PDF

John ELLIS, the world war II databook, 1993

http://www.pg-hq.com/comms/showthread.php?tid=1324&pid=13887

https://wwiitanks.co.uk/FORM-Gun_Data.php?I=50

http://atf40.1fr1.net/t8177-criteres-des-tests-de-penetration

 

 

 

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CM60A1

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weapon of type Mortar-gun. used in light vehicles to provide fire-support

 

designed to answer to the need of light fire-support of the counter-insurgency of the Algerian war, the CM60A1 was a mortar design in the early 60s. capable of direct fire and low angle indirect fire, it was a perfectly adapted armament against the Guerrilla warfare. the gun could also use Anti-tank rounds such as APFSDS and HEAT rounds. it was light and with a low recoil making it perfect for light vehicles like armoured car and APC.

 

 

Weight: 82 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber :L/20

rounds size: any 60mm (as long the pressure can be supported)

Rate of fire: 10 rpm

range: 2500 m

effective range : 500 m

 

in use in vehicles

AML-60

AML-60-20

AML-60-12

Berliet VXB

 

 

 

Ammo

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60mm CC (HEAT)

Standard HEAT round to offer the 60mm anti-tank capacity

 

Velocity: 196 m/sec

Weight : 0.45 kg

explosive filler : unknown

 

Penetration (reported)

200mm at any range, angle 0°

 

Mle 72 (HE)

Standard HE round for the 60mm

 

Velocity: 196 m/sec

Weight : 1.73 kg

explosive filler : unknown

 

 

Mle 61 (Smoke)

standard smoke rounds for the 60mm

 

Velocity: 196 m/sec

Weight : 1.72 kg

explosive filler : unknown

 

Mle 63 (illunination)

standard star shells for the 60mm

 

Velocity: 196 m/sec

Weight : 1.55 kg

 

60-132-C1 (canister)

standard anti-personal rounds for the 60mm

 

Velocity: ? m/sec

Weight : 1.1 kg

filler : 132 hardened lead buckshot

 

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Brandt LR

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weapon of type tank-mortar. used in light vehicles to provide fire-support

 

designed directly from the CM60A1, this mortar was was a improved version capable of longer range of fire and use APFSDS, his recoil was improved to allow higher pressure rounds and give better velocity. it was light and could be mounted on light vehicles like armoured car and APC

 

Weight: 85 kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre :L/30

rounds size: any 60mm (as long the pressure can be supported)

Rate of fire: 10 rpm

range: 5000 m

effective range : 1000 m

 

in use in vehicles

AML-60-20 Serval

RPX 90 Serval

VP 90

Panhard M3 VTT 60

AMX-VCI VTT 60

M113 VTT 60

ERC 60-12 mangouste

 

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F601 (APFSDS)

APDS round with a dart projectile estimated to 18.5mm, the round was to allow the used of the 60mm against armoured target in direct fire.

 

Dart size :  18.5x220 mm

Velocity: 900 m/sec

Weight : 0.45 kg

 

Penetration (reported)

25mm at 1000 meter, angle 45°

 

Penetration (estimated)

104mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

97mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

90mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

83mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

76mm at 2000 meter, angle 0°

 

 

60mm CC (HEAT)

Standard HEAT round to offer the 60mm anti-tank capacity

 

Velocity: 196 m/sec

Weight : 0.45 kg

explosive filler : unknown

 

Penetration (reported)

200mm at any range, angle 45°

 

LP (HE)

Standard improved range HE round for the 60mm LR

 

Velocity: 250 m/sec

Weight : 2.2 kg

explosive filler : unknown

 

Mle 72 (HE)

Standard HE round for the 60mm

 

Velocity: 196 m/sec

Weight : 1.73 kg

explosive filler : unknown

 

 

Mle 61 (Smoke)

standard smoke rounds for the 60mm

 

Velocity: 196 m/sec

Weight : 1.72 kg

explosive filler : unknown

 

Mle 63 (illunination)

standard star shells for the 60mm

 

Velocity: 196 m/sec

Weight : 1.55 kg

 

60-132-C1 (canister)

standard anti-personal rounds for the 60mm

 

Velocity: ? m/sec

Weight : 1.1 kg

filler : 132 hardened lead buckshot

 

 

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Canon de 75 mm modèle 1897

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weapon of type Field-gun, it made his reputation during WW1 where it was know to be accurate and very fast to fire. this gun was still in service in WW2 and not yet obsolete.

 

it was designed in the end of the 19th century. the mle 1897 was a gun who was exceptional. capable to provide medium weight fire-support, with great accuracy and fast reload, this good made himself a reputation of legend. outstanding in WW1, it was sill very good in ww2. the gun was mass produced in very large number and was extremely common in the french army all over the world. the gun was also used main weapons for serial tanks. sadly none of them was designed for ww2.

 

Weight: 880 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber :L/29.7

rounds size: 75x350R mm

Rate of fire: 20 rpm

sight Magnification: 2.5x

range: 6500 m

effective range : 1500 m

 

used in vehicles

Saint-Chamond

FCM 2C

Cannon-Conus

Various improvised gun truck

 

Ammo

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Obus ordinaire Mle 1898 AP 84 80 69 56 46 35
PCO-40 APCBC 103 100 89 76 66 56
Brandt 75/58 APDS 97 95 85 75 66 57
Obus de rupture de 75 mm Mle 1908 APHE ? ? ? ? ? ?
Obus perforant AL mle 1916 APHE 69 66 55 45 35 25
Obus perforant AL mle 1918 APHE 68 65 54 44 34 24
Obus de rupture mle 1910 APHE 77 74 64 54 45 34
Obus explosive mle 1900 HE 11 11 11 11 11 11
Obus explosive mle 1917 HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
Obus explosive mle 1918 HE 8 8 8 8 8 8
Obus explosif FA Mle1929 AL HE 7 7 7 7 7 7
Obus a balles a charge arriere mle 1897 Shrapnel 24 23 18 14 10 8
Obus a balles mle 1897-A Shrapnel 6 6 6 6 6 6
Obus a balles mle 1897-M Shrapnel 5 5 5 5 5 5
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Obus ordinaire Mle 1898 AP 600 6.0 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
POT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Brandt 75/58 APDS 900 1.9 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
Obus perforant AL mle 1916 APHE 575 7.45 1.2 14 335 47° 60° 65°
Obus perforant AL mle 1918 APHE 575 7.32 1.2 14 325 47° 60° 65°
Obus de rupture de 75 mm Mle 1908 APHE ? ? ? ? ? 47° 60° 65°
Obus de rupture mle 1910 APHE 570 6.4 1.2 14 90 47° 60° 65°
Obus explosive mle 1900 HE 550 5.25 0 0.1 775 79° 80° 81°
Obus explosive mle 1917 HE 575 5.975 0 0.1 675 79° 80° 81°
Obus explosive mle 1918 HE 555 6.37 0 0.1 435 79° 80° 81°
Obus explosif FA Mle1929 AL HE 590 6.96 0 0.1 393 79° 80° 81°
Obus a balles a charge arriere mle 1897 Shrapnel 535 7.25 1.2 3 11 48° 63° 71°
Obus a balles mle 1897-A Shrapnel 535 7.24 1.2 3 38 48° 63° 71°
Obus a balles mle 1897-M Shrapnel 535 7.24 1.2 3 38 48° 63° 71°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Obus fumigène Mle1915 550 5.315 13 5 20 50

 

 

obus ordinaire Mle 1898 (AP)

standard multipurpose round for the 75mm, few info was found but accurding to his name, it was likely plain steel rounds

 

 

Velocity: 600 m/sec

Weight : 6.0 kg

Explosive filler : none (assumed)

 

 

PCO 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s and the projctile migrated to the 75mm SA50 under the name of PCOT-51P

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

Brandt 75/58 (APDS)

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rounds developed in emergency in 1940 to provide the field artillery some additional anti-armour capacity. it was a 58mm projectile inside of a 75mm sabot. the projectile was a tungsten core with pointy ballistic cap.

 

Velocity: 900 m/sec

Weight : 1.9 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

Obus perforant AL mle 1916 (APHE)

standard multipurpose rounds, created during ww2 for longer range shooting. it was a long High explosive round with tick steel.

 

Velocity: 575 m/sec

Weight : 7.445kg

Explosive filler : 350 g

 

Obus perforant AL mle 1918 (APHE)

standard multipurpose rounds, created during ww2 for longer range shooting. it was a long High explosive round with tick steel.

 

Velocity: 575 m/sec

Weight : 7.320kg

Explosive filler : 325 g

 

Obus de rupture de 75 mm Mle 1908 (APHE)

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round that was immigrate from the navy and used the the mle 1897. this rounds was similar to the mle 1910

 

Velocity: ?

Weight : ?

Explosive filler : ?

 

 

Obus de rupture mle 1910 (APHE)

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standard anti-fortification round for the 75mm, very common during ww1 and ww2, it offer a decent AT capacity. it was fully built in steel with explosive filler.

 

 

Velocity: 570 m/sec

Weight : 6.40 kg

Explosive filler : 90 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

Penetration (reported)

75mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1900 (HE)

standard High explosive round design before WW1.

 

Velocity: 550 m/sec

Weight : 5.245 kg

Explosive filler : 775 g

 

Obus explosive mle 1915 FN & GN (HE)

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standard High explosive round created during ww1 to allow a more flexible use of the gun.

 

Velocity: 550 m/sec (344 m/sec for low charge)

Weight : 5.16 kg

Explosive filler : 740 g

 

Obus explosive mle 1917 (HE)

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standard High explosive rounds created during ww1.

 

Velocity: 575 m/sec

Weight : 5. 975kg

Explosive filler : 675 g

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1918 (HE)

standard high explosive round created during ww1.

 

Velocity: 555 m/sec

Weight : 6. 37kg

Explosive filler : 435 g

 


Obus explosif FA Mle1929 AL (HE)

 

Velocity: 590 m/sec

Weight : 6. 96kg

Explosive filler : 393 g

 

Obus a balles a charge arriere mle 1897_(Shrapnel)

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standard shrapnel round.

 

Velocity: 535 m/sec

Weight : 7.25kg

contain: 261 balls

Explosive filler : 11 g

 

Obus a balles mle 1897-A_(Shrapnel)

standard shrapnel round.

 

Velocity: 535 m/sec

Weight : 7.24kg

contain: 263 to 269 balls

Explosive filler : 38 g

 

Obus a balles mle 1897-M_(Shrapnel)

standard shrapnel round.

 

Velocity: 535 m/sec

Weight : 7.24kg

contain: 281 to 287 balls

Explosive filler : 38 g

 

Obus incendiaire Mle1916 type G à charge mélangée (incendiary)

standard incendiary rounds used in ww1. This shell had an instant fuze and included 6 tarred incendiary charges, black powder and lead bullets. It was therefore a combined explosive, incendiary and anti-personal shell. The lead bullets were probably able to pierce oil, fuel etc. tanks before the incendiary charges ignite fire.

 

Velocity: ?

Weight : 5.4kg

contain: ?

Explosive filler : ?

 

Obus eclerante (illumination)

standard flare used in ww1

 

Weight : 5.9kg
time of illumination : 40 seconds

 

Obus fumigène Mle1915 (smoke)

standard smoke used since ww1. this shell contain white phosphorous

 

Velocity: 550 m/sec

Weight : 5.315kg

 

Source

http://www.fortiffsere.fr/artillerie/index_fichiers/Page1792.htm

http://catainium.blogspot.com/2016/06/75-mm-canon-de-75-modele-1897.html

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APX mle 1929

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Weapon of type fortress-gun. it was a development of the 75mm Mle 1897 to be used in fortification.

 

the APX 1929 was a variant of the 75mm Mle 1897 created to used in fortification. presented in the end of 1929, this gun was soon adopted mainly for indirect fire from the fortification of the Maginot line. the gun was also used in some case for direct fire. it used the same breech of the 75mm mle 1897 making it easy to train crew who was already familiar to the other gun but also make it easy to use the large stockpile of 75mm rounds. seeking for mobile bunker and mobile artillery support, the French had created serial prototype of SPG using this gun and some variants of it. some of them was accepted into service in 1940

 

Weight: 2315 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/36

rounds size: 75x350R mm

Rate of fire: 12 to 24 rpm (usual rate but can go up to 30 rpm in emergency)

effective range : 800m

sight: APX L 647

 

 

used in vehicles

ACL 75 G-R

SAu 40 (currently ingame)

ARL V 39

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
PCO-40 APCBC 103 100 89 76 66 56
Brandt 75/58 APDS 97 95 85 75 66 57
Obus de rupture mle 1910 APHE 77 74 64 54 45 34
Obus explosive mle 1900 HE 11 11 11 11 11 11
Obus explosive mle 1917 HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
POT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Brandt 75/58 APDS 900 1.9 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
Obus de rupture mle 1910 APHE 570 6.4 1.2 14 90 47° 60° 65°
Obus explosive mle 1900 HE 550 5.25 0 0.1 775 79° 80° 81°
Obus explosive mle 1917 HE 575 5.975 0 0.1 675 79° 80° 81°

 

Obus de rupture mle 1910 (APHE)

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standard anti-fortification round for the 75mm, very common during ww1 and ww2, it offer a decent AT capacity. it was fully built in steel with explosive filler.

 

 

Velocity: 570 m/sec

Weight : 6.40 kg

Explosive filler : 90 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

 

 

 

PCOT 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

Brandt 75/58 (APDS)

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rounds developped in emergency in 1940 to provide the field artillery some additional anti-armor capacity. it was a 58mm projectil inside of a 75mm sabot. the projectile was a tungsten core with pointy balistic cap.

 

Velocity: 900 m/sec

Weight : 1.9 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1900 (HE)

standard High explosive round design before WW1.

 

Velocity: 545 m/sec

Weight : 5.245 kg

Explosive filler : 775 g

 

Obus explosive mle 1917 (HE)

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standard High explosive rounds created during ww1.

 

Velocity: 577 m/sec

Weight : 5. 975kg

Explosive filler : 675 g

 

source

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000077

https://artillerie.asso.fr/basart/article.php3?id_article=457

 

 

SA35

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weapon of type tank-gun, designed in the 30s to be mounted in tank of type Char de bataille, it was a shortened version based on the 75mm Mle 1897.

 

been very powerful and very fast. the SA35 was gun designed to be used in the char B1. it was capable to fire all the rounds for the mle 1897 but only 2 was officially issue for this gun. the short barrel greatly reduced the velocity, accuracy and penetration of this gun, however, the firepower remained more than enough to engage any tank of early ww2. the great fire-rate of the mle 1897 allow the SA35 to have a still fast fire-rate compared to the 75mm of his time. usually mounted low on the hull, it was mostly meant to blow away fortification who was often at the low ground. but in WW2, this gun proven to be deadly for the German tank.

 

 

Weight: about 750 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/17.1

rounds size: 75x241R mm

Rate of fire: 15 rpm

range: 6500 m

effective range : 800-1000 m

sight: L.710

sight Magnification: 3.5x

 

 

used in vehicles

Char B1

Char B1bis (currently ingame)

Char B1ter (currently ingame)

Char G1 (not installed)

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Mle1910M APHE 59 58 51 44 38 33
Mle1915 HE 11 11 11 11 11 11
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Mle1910M APHE 475 6.4 1.2 14 90 47° 60° 65°
Mle1915 HE 500 5.55 0 0.1 740 79° 80° 81°

 

 

Obus de rupture mle 1910 (APHE)

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standard anti-fortification round for the 75mm, very common during ww1 and ww2, it offer a decent AT capacity. it was fully built in steel with explosive filler.

 

 

Velocity: 475 m/sec

Weight : 6.40 kg

Explosive filler : 90 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

 

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1915 FN & GN (HE)

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standard High explosive round created during ww1 to allow a more flexible use of the gun.

 

Velocity: 500 m/sec (344 m/sec for low charge)

Weight : 5.16 kg

Explosive filler : 740 g

 

 

source

https://wwiitanks.co.uk/FORM-Gun_Data.php?I=43

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M3 (American in French services)

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Weapon of type tank-gun. it was a development of the 75mm M1897A1 by the American for their medium tank.

 

the 75mm M3 is a pretty decent mid WW2 gun developed by the American from the M1897A1 which was basically a American version of the french 75mm Mle 1897. the gun offer a great balance between firepower and reload rate. the velocity been average allot it to have the capacity to fight most of the WW2 vehicles. theoretically, the gun could also fire the french standard rounds.

 

Weight: 405 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/40

rounds size: 75x350R mm

Rate of fire: 8 to 12 rpm

effective range : 800m

 

 

 

used in vehicles

M4a1 (currently ingame)

M4a4 (currently ingame)

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M72 shot AP 91 88 78 67 57 49
M48 shell HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
M61 shot APCBC-HE 104 101 90 78 68 59
PCOT-40 APCBC 104 101 92 81 72 63
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M72 shot AP 619 6.3 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M48 shell HE 463 6.3 0 0.1 666 79° 80° 81°
M61 shot APCBC 618 6.79 1.2 14 63.7 48° 63° 71°
PCOT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M89 259 3 13 5 20 50
M64 603 3 13 5 20 50

 

M72 (AP)

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standard AP round used for the 75mm M3 gun in the sherman tank.
 

velocity ; 619 M/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG


 

PCOT 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

 

 

M61 (APCBC-HE)

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Standard APHE rounds with balistic cap. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 618 m/SEC

weight: 6.79 KG

 

 

 

 

M48 (HE)

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Standard HE rounds. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 463 m/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG

explosive filler: 666 g

 

 

M89 (smoke)

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standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

Velocity: 259 m/sec

Weight : 3 kg

Explosive filler :50 g

 

M64 (smoke)

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standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

Velocity: 603 m/sec

Weight : 3 kg

Explosive filler :50 g

 

 

 

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M6 (American in french services)

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Weapon of type tank-gun. it was a development of the 75mm M3 by the American for their light tank.

 

the 75mm M6 was a light weight gun with short recoil for the American light tank developed in Rock Island from the 75mm T13E1. the gun have the same propriety of the 75mm M3 and use the same rounds. it utilize a T33 concentric recoil mechanism, which shortened the recoil length than the M3. introduced in 1943 with the production of the M24 just ordered, this gun was nearly only used by the Chaffee.

 

Weight: 186 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/39.4

rounds size: 75x350R mm

Rate of fire: 8 to 10 rpm

effective range : 800m

 

 

 

used in vehicles

M24A1 Chaffee

AMX 13 M24 (currently in-game)

 

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M72 shot AP 91 88 78 67 57 49
M48 shell HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
M61 shot APCBC-HE 104 101 90 78 68 59
PCOT-40 APCBC 104 101 92 81 72 63
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M72 shot AP 619 6.3 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M48 shell HE 463 6.3 0 0.1 666 79° 80° 81°
M61 shot APCBC 618 6.79 1.2 14 63.7 48° 63° 71°
PCOT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M89 259 3 13 5 20 50
M64 603 3 13 5 20 50

 

M72 (AP)

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standard AP round used for the 75mm M3 gun in the sherman tank.
 

velocity ; 619 M/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG


 

PCOT 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

 

 

M61 (APCBC-HE)

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Standard APHE rounds with balistic cap. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 618 m/SEC

weight: 6.79 KG

 

 

 

 

M48 (HE)

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Standard HE rounds. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 463 m/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG

explosive filler: 666 g

 

 

M89 (smoke)

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standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

Velocity: 259 m/sec

Weight : 3 kg

Explosive filler :50 g

 

M64 (smoke)

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standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

Velocity: 603 m/sec

Weight : 3 kg

Explosive filler :50 g

 

 

 

source

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a weapon of type tank-gun, it was developed by the french at the end of WW2, it was based on the 75mm CA mle 1932

 

a very disappointing gun for his time who saw no success in the french army. this gun was designed based on the 75mm CA mle 1932 converted into tank gun. it retained serial part from the mle 1932 including the barrel (which led to miss-identification for the 76mm). it chamber the same rounds as the mle 1932 but also new one as the AA gun didn't had any armour piercing rounds. trial was done to try to give more power from that gun but the gun was incapable to stand more pressure required to shoot the same rounds in higher velocity. this gun was discarded in favour to the 90mm SA45.

 

Weight: about 1200kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/42

rounds size: 75 x 561R mm

Rate of fire: 7-8 rpm (estimated)

range: 8000 m

effective range : 2000 m

 

 

used in vehicles

ARL-44 ACL-1 (currently in-game)

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
75 mm OR Mle.44 APCBC 125 122 108 93 80 69
75 mm OR Mle.44 SV APCBC 134 131 119 106 95 85
75 mm OR Mle.44 SP APCBC ? ? ? ? ? ?
75 mm OE Mle.28 HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
75 mm OR Mle.44 APCBC 715 6.4 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
75 mm OR Mle.44 SV APCBC 750 6.4 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
75 mm OR Mle.44 SP APCBC unknown 6.4 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
75 mm OE Mle.28 HE 700 6.44 0 0.1 675 79° 80° 81°

 

Boulet perforent mle 1944 (APCBC)

Standard Armour piercing round designed for the SA44 specifically. it was a caped round with a ballistic cap. the nature of the material of this round is yet to be precised.

 

Velocity: 715 m/sec

Weight : 6.4 kg

 

 

Boulet perforent mle 1944 SurVitess (APCBC)

Same standard Armour piercing projectile designed for the SA44 specifically. it was using a different charge giving a higher pressure to the projectile making it faster.it was a caped round with a ballistic cap. the nature of the material of this round is yet to be precised.

 

Velocity: 745 to 755 m/sec

Weight : 6.4 kg

 

Boulet perforent mle 1944 supression (APCBC)

Same standard Armour piercing projectile designed for the SA44 specifically. it was using the BSP powder as propellant to make the round fly-off with the pressure in the gun of 2900 kg/cm2 .it was a caped round with a ballistic cap. the nature of the material of this round is yet to be precised.

 

Velocity: unknown

Weight : 6.4 kg

 

 

Obus Explosif mle 1928 (HE)

Standard round of the 75mm CA mle 1932 who had migrated to the SA44 (with a new fuze).

 

Velocity: 700 m/sec

Weight : 6.2 kg

Explosive filler : 675 g

 

 

 

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SA45

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a weapon of type tank-howitzer. it was created by France to offer fire-support for the Colonial vehicles.

 

this gun was a french howitzer developed as early as 1945 and possibly before as clandestine development under the German occupation. the gun was visibly not intended to fire anti-tank ammunition,. it was design to offer the colonial vehicles with fire-support capacity. the first vehicles that was supposed to get this gun was the Panhard 178B but as the gun wasn't ready, they give it the 47mm SA35 and the 75mm was never mounted. a later development retook this gun as main armament for the Voisin CA-11 in the 50s, only this tank was never put into service as France imported LVT-4 amphibious tank from USA.

 

Weight: Unknown

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : Unknown

rounds size: Unknown

Rate of fire: Unknown

range: 5000 m

 

used in vehicles

Voisin CA-11

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Unknown HE ? ? ? ? ? ?
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Unknown HE 300 Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown 79° 80° 81°

 

Unidentified (HE)

next to nothing is know about this round. the type is assumed due to the role intended to the gun. only the velocity is known

 

Velocity: 300 m/sec

Weight : Unknown

Explosive filler : Unknown

 

 

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75/600

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a weapon of type tank-gun. it was used by the French army since 1950. based on the German 7.5 cm Kwk 42 L/70, it was a lighter pressure gun meant for the colony

 

very appreciated for his low velocity, this gun was based on the German 75 CM kwk 42. it used 75mm rounds from Sherman and 75mm me 1897. it was having a rather limited anti-tank capacity but excellent reload rate and could be installed in compact turret. the gun was required to have a penetration of 100mm at 1000m which it fail to have. resulting to the polishing of the design and research of additional ammunition.

 

Weight: about 600kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/40

rounds size: 75x530R mm

Rate of fire: 14-15 rpm

range: 2500 m

effective range : 1000 m

 

 

used in vehicles

Hotchkiss EBR
EBR FL-3

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
PCOT-40 APCBC 98 92 85 74 65 55
Mle1917 HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
PCOT-40 APCBC 600 6.41 n/a n/a n/a 47° 60° 65°
Mle1917 HE 577 ? 6.13 0 0.1 675 79° 80° 81°

 

 

PCOT 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

Obus explosive mle 1917 (HE)

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standard High explosive rounds created during ww1.

 

Velocity: 575 m/sec

Weight : 5. 975kg

Explosive filler : 675 g

 

 

 

SA49

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a weapon of type tank-gun. it was used by the French army since 1950. based on the German 7.5 cm Kwk 42 L/70, it was a lighter pressure gun meant for the colony

 

very appreciated for his low velocity, this gun was based on the German 75 CM kwk 42. it used 75mm rounds from Sherman and 75mm me 1897. it was having a rather limited anti-tank capacity but excellent reload rate and could be installed in compact turret. this gun was likely the improved version of the 75/600

 

Weight: about 600kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/40

rounds size: 75x530R mm

Rate of fire: 14-15 rpm

range: 2500 m

effective range : 1000 m

 

in used in vehicles:

EBR 1951 (currently ingame)

AMX-13 FL-11 (currently ingame)

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M72 shot AP 91 88 78 67 57 49
M48 shell HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
M61 shot APCBC 104 101 90 78 68 59
PCOT-40 APCBC 104 101 92 81 72 63
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M72 shot AP 619 6.3 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M48 shell HE 463 6.3 0 0.1 666 79° 80° 81°
M61 shot APCBC 618 6.79 1.2 14 63.7 48° 63° 71°
PCOT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M89 259 3 13 5 20 50

 

 

 

Obus ordinaire Mle 1898 (AP)

standard multipurpose round for the 75mm, few infos was found

 

 

Velocity: 600 m/sec

Weight : 6.0 kg

Explosive filler : ?

 

M72 (AP)

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standard AP round used for the 75mm M3 gun in the sherman tank.
 

velocity ; 619 M/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG


 

PCOT 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

 

Obus de rupture mle 1910 (APHE)

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standard anti-fortification round for the 75mm, very common durring ww1 and ww2, it offer a decent AT capacity. it was fully built in steel with explosive filler.

 

 

Velocity: 570 m/sec

Weight : 6.40 kg

Explosive filler : 90 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

 

M61 (APCBC-HE)

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Standard APHE rounds with balistic cap. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 618 m/SEC

weight: 6.79 KG

 

 

 

 

M48 (HE)

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Standard HE rounds. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 463 m/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG

explosive filler: 666 g

 

 

 

M89 (smoke)

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standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

 

 

 

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Cn 75 SA 50

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a weapon of type tank-gun. it was used by the French army since 1950. based on the German 7.5 cm Kwk 42 L/70, it was showing improved performance. this gun could also be paired with a Auto loader.

 

very successful gun for light tank and modernized WW2 tank, the SA50 was mainly used in France on the EBR armoured car and AMX-13 tank. showing superior performance than the WW2 76mm M1 or the 17 pounder, this gun could allow old material to extend their live a little longer (perfect for country that couldn't afford new material) while not been as good as the new generation of tank gun used on early MBT such as the Russian 100mm or British 84mm or American 90mm of the same time, it was still capable to offer a good firepower for a light vehicles.

 

 

Weight: about 1000kg

Magazine: 12 rounds (with auto-loader)

barrel calibre : L/57

rounds size: 75x595R mm

Rate of fire: 8 rpm (without autoloader)

range: 8500 m

effective range : 2000 m

 

 

 

used in vehicles

M24 FL10

M10

M4A4 / M-50 (currently ingame)

M4a1 FL10 (currently ingame)

EBR 1954 (currently ingame)

AMX-13 (currently ingame)

AMX-13 SS11 (currently ingame)

AMX-13 HOT (currently ingame)


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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
POT-51A APBC 182 178 162 143 127 113
PCOT-51P APCBC 202 198 180 159 141 125
M93 shot APCR 231 217 198 178 160 146
75/54/40 APDS 298 296 275 248 214 182
75 mm HE HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
POT-51A APC 1,000 6.4 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
PCOT-51P APCBC 1,000 6.4 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
M93 shot APCR 1,182 4.22 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
75/54/40 APDS 1,310 3.9 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
75 mm HE HE 753 6.2 0.0 0.1 675 79° 80° 81°

 

POT-51A (APBC)

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Standard ammo for the SA50, it was the most commonly used. it is a full steel round with balistic cap.

 

projectile weight 6.40 kg

projectile velocity : 1000 m/sec

 

 

 

PCOT-51P (APCBC)

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standard anti-tank round for the SA50, it was a steel round with hardened stell tip who possibly include Tungsten. it also have a balistic cap.

 

projectile weight 6.40 kg

projectile velocity : 1000 m/sec

 

 

M93 shot (HVAP) (modified & experimental)

this rounds was used in Aberdeen trial. it was a M93 rounds like those used in the 76mm tank gun but modified to use in the 75mm gun. 5 of those rounds was tested in Aberdeen.

 

projectile weight 4.22 kg

core weight : 1.71 kg

projectile velocity : 1182 m/sec

 

 

 

Sous-calibré à sabot détachable 75/54/40 (APDS) (experimental)

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experimental round tested on the SA50 with sub-calibre of 54mm with a tungsten core of 40mm. this rounds never went into service as the SA50 was withdraw from service and replaced by 90mm. this round was just coming too late

 

projectile weight : 3.90 kg

projectile velocity : 1310 m/sec

 

 

OE 75 (HE)

standard High explosive round used on the SA50.

 

projectile weight : 6.20 kg

explosive weight : 675g

projectile velocity : 753 m/sec

 

 

 

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MCB-81 (CL81)

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Weapon of type tank-mortar. mostly considered as smooth-bore gun. also go under the designation of CL81

 

the TMC 81 also know as Cannon lisse de 81 (CL81) is a smooth-bore mortar often considered more as a smooth-bore gun. relatively light it can be fitter in light vehicles. it is capable of dirrect fire and fit APFSDS for anti-armor usage. the HE round can be fire at long range wich make it a suitable support vehicles. the rounds are breach loaded which the block is moved vertically.

 

Weight: 550 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/29

rounds size: any standard 81mm french motar rounds

Rate of fire: 10 rpm

effective range : 1000 m (APFSDS)

 

used in vehicles

AMX 10 TMC 81

EMC-81

VBC

 

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F 811 (APFSDS)

standard anti-tank rounds use in the TMC-81. in the normal ordonance a few of those rounds are stored in the front of the turret near of the gun for emergency use while the other type of rounds are at the back. it was made with a dart estimated to 24mm

 

 

projectile weight 0.86 kg

projectile velocity : 1200 m/sec

 

penetration estimated

83mm at 100 meter, angle 0°

74mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

66mm at 1000 meter, angle 0°

58mm at 1500 meter, angle 0°

50mm at 2000 meter, angle 0°

 

M57D (HE)

standard High explosive round for general purpose

 

projectile weight 3.2 kg

projectile velocity : 400 m/sec

explosive filler : TNT unknow weight

 

M61 (HE)

heavier high explosive round

 

projectile weight 4.2 kg

projectile velocity : 400 m/sec

explosive filler : TNT unknow weight

 

81 LP (HE)

long range High explosive round.

 

projectile weight 6.7 kg

projectile velocity : 400 m/sec

explosive filler : 1,000g TNT

 

 

M77A (illumination)

a specially designed star shells for long barrelled mortar.

 

projectile weight 4.0 kg

projectile velocity : 400 m/sec

filler : magnesium based

burn : 55 sec

 

 

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weapon of type tank-gun, developed in the early 40s during the middle of WW2, from the M1/M2 anti-aircraft gun.

 

the M3 gun was developed by the USA in 1943 to provide the US army better anti-tank capacity to get better firepower to destroy the German tanks. it was used in France on the vehicles provided by USA during the rearming of the country.

 

Weight: about 1,030 kg

Magazine: None

barrel caliber : L/53

rounds size: 90x615mmR

Rate of fire: 8 rpm

effective range : 2000 m

 

use in vehicles

M36 Jackson

M26 Pershing

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M77 Shot AP 162 160 146 129 113 97
M318 shot APBC 175 172 160 146 134 122
T33 E4 APBC 196 193 181 174 162 150
M82 shot APCBC 173 170 159 147 135 124
M304 shot APCR 287 281 259 234 211 191
M322 shot APCR 291 286 264 240 217 197
M348 shell HEAT-FS 305 305 305 305 305 305
M71 shell HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M77 Shot AP 823 10.60 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M318 shot APBC 853 10.91 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
T33 E4 APBC 930 10.80 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M82 shot APCBC 813 10.94 1.2 14 137.2 48° 63° 71°
M304 shot APCR 1,021 7.62 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
M322 shot APCR 1,165 7.62 N/A N/A N/A 66° 70° 72°
M348 shell HEAT-FS 853 6.48 0.05 0.1 926.17 65° 72° 77°
M71 shell HE 823 10.55 0 0.1 925 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
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Screen deploy time
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Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M313 821 10.7 13 5 20 50

 

M77 (AP)

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solid shot round made of steel, it have a tracer at the bottom of the projectile that will burn for 3sec

 

 

projectile weight : 10,600 kg

velocity : 823 m/sec

 

 

 

M318 (APBC-T)

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solid rounds with ballistic cap for windshield, it is made of heat-treated steel. a tracer was placed at the bottom and burn for 3sec

 

projectile weight : 10,950 kg

velocity : 853 m/sec

 

 

T33 E4 (APBC-T)

solid rounds with ballistic cap for windshield, it is made of heat-treated steel. a tracer was placed at the bottom and burn for 3sec

 

projectile weight : 10,80 kg

velocity : 930 m/sec

 

 

M82 (APCBC-HE-T)

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solid round made of steel with hardened steel cap it is also having a balistic cap. it have a trace at the back that would burn for 3 sec.

 

projectile weight : 10,930 kg

velocity : 853 m/sec

explosive filler : 140 g

 

M304 (HVAP-T)

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steel round inside aluminum shell, the aluminum allow a lighter weight making it faster and once hitting the target, the aluminum will scatter while the smaller steel core will penetrate more. it have a tracer that burn for 4 sec.

 

projectile weight : 7,620 kg

velocity : 1020 m/sec

 

M322 (HVAP-T)

steel round inside aluminum shell, the aluminum allow a lighter weight making it faster and once hitting the target, the aluminum will scatter while the smaller steel core will penetrate more. it have a tracer that burn for 4 sec.

 

projectile weight : 7,620 kg

velocity : 1165 m/sec

 

 

T108 / M348 (HEAT-FS)

standard HEAT rounds for the 90mm M3 and T108 gun

 

projectile weight : 6.490 kg

velocity : 930 m/sec

explosive filler : unknown quantity (petinolite)

 

M71 (HE)

standard HE round for the 90mm M4 and T108 gun. it came in different load but i will limit myself to the normal one

 

projectile weight : 10.525 kg

velocity : est. 910 m/sec

explosive filler : 925g (TNT or Composite B)

 

M313 (SMK)

standard smoke round for the 90mm M3 and T108 gun

 

projectile weight : 10.610 kg

velocity : est. 910 m/sec

explosive filler : unknown quantity (white phosphor and TNT)

 

 

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SA 45

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a weapon of type tank-gun. developed by Schneider for the ARL 44. based on the 90mm CA39. it was the first french tank gun to enter into service after the WW2 and was considered as transitional measure.

 

stop gap gun created for the ARL 44 specifically after the 75mm was considered as "not enough" for the new tank. France needed to get back on his feet and rebuilt the military industry and catch up quickly the pace with the other nation who had not fallen in the WW2. the 90mm SA45 was a good gun, superior to the WW2 one but only catches up part of the level compared to the other nation. yet capable to penetrate almost any existing tank at the time at 1000m. the gun suffer from been 5 years too late and only match the best gun of 1945. as the ARL-44 entered into their brief service, the gun only got a few chance to be mounted on prototype who never saw production. it was a high pressure gun who's round had 110mm collars who would be squeezed to 90mm, creating a higher acceleration.

 

 

Weight: about 1400kg

Magazine: 12 rounds (with auto-loader)

barrel caliber : L/65

rounds size: 75x595R mm (assumed, it's the size of the 90mm CA39)

Rate of fire: 10-12 rpm

effective range : 2000 m

 

 

 

used in vehicles

ARL-44 (currently ingame)


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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
90 mm Obus de rupture APCBC 215 212 201 188 175 164
90 mm Obus de rupture (steel) APCBC 223 219 210 194 180 168
Obus déplotable APDS 248 240 213 178 131 87
90 mm Obus explosif HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
90 mm Obus de rupture APCBC 1,000 10.6 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
90 mm Obus de rupture (steel) APCBC 1,000 11.2 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Obus déplotable APDS 970 8.5 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
90 mm Obus explosif HE 700 11.3 0 0.1 945 79° 80° 81°

 

 

90 mm Obus de rupture "magnesium" (APBC-I)

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Standard ammo for the SA45. capable to penetrate any tanks of his time. the round was made with a ballistic cap made of Magnesium who provoke a flash and incendiary effect on impact. this incendiary effect was having for purpose to allow the crew to know where they hit.

 

projectile weight 10.60 kg

projectile velocity : 1000 m/sec

 

 

 

 

90 mm Obus de rupture "steel" (APBC)

Standard ammo for the SA45. capable to penetrate any tanks of his time. the round was made with a ballistic cap made of steel who was making it heavier and penetrate a bit more. but it lose this incendiary effect who was allowing the crew to know where they hit. it was the exact same as the magnesium version.

 

projectile weight 11.20 kg

projectile velocity : 1000 m/sec

 

 

 

90mm Obue déplotable (APDS)  (experimental)

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studied made to improve the SA45 penetration. this was discarding the biggest part of himself to leave only a part of it with a tungsten core. only the speed was not improved over the high pressure AP round if the round had a better penetration at short range, it was just a bit superior to the normal rounds. the army required this round to penetrate at least 200mm at 1000m but this round could only do that at less than 722m the round was also more expensive than the AP round and the army discarded this round due to all those reason.

 

projectile weight 8.5 kg

projectile velocity : 970 m/sec

 

 

 

90 mm Obus explosif

standard High explosive round for providing fire-support with the SA45 gun.

 

projectile weight 11.3 kg

Explosive filler: 945 g

projectile velocity : 700 m/sec

 

 

 

 

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SA 47

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a weapon of type tank-gun. developed by Schneider for the AMX M4 in 1950.

 

the Gun was developped for the TOA-90 turret which was paired with an auto-loader. the turret mounted on the AMX M4 was offering excelent anti-tank capacity. an altrnative version for conventional turret and without auto-loader was also designed and named 90mm SA46 but was never built. the gun was never adopted as France wanted even more firepower against tanks. a 100mm gun was requested.

 

 

 

 

Weight: unknown

Magazine: 11 rounds

barrel calibre : unknown

rounds size: Unknown

Rate of fire: 10-12 rpm

effective range : 2000 m

 

 

 

used in vehicles

AMX M4 (currently ingame)

 

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
PCO-50-ABS APCBC 246 240 229 217 206 197
90 mm Obus explosif HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
PCO-50-ABS (short) APCBC about 1020 10.74 1.2 14 137.2 48° 63° 71°
90 mm Obus explosif HE 700 11.33 0 0.1 945 79° 80° 81°

 

PCO-50-ABS Short (APCBC)

standard rounds tested with the 90mm SA47, it was a ballistic caped caped rounds

 

projectile weight : 10,73 kg

velocity : at least the same as the long version

 

PCO-50-ABS long (APCBC)

standard rounds tested with the 90mm SA47, it was a ballistic caped caped rounds

 

projectile weight : Unknown

velocity : est. 1020 at 0m (Known velocity of 1001 m/sec at 85m)

 

90 mm Obus explosif (HE)

standard High explosive round for providing fire-support with the SA47 gun.

 

projectile weight 11.3 kg

Explosive filler: 945 g

projectile velocity : 700 m/sec

 

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CN 90/930 (D.911)

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weapon of type tank-gun, it was developed in the 60s to mount provide light weight gun capable to fire the rounds from the M46 & M47 tanks.

 

the CN 90/930 is a gun who was often unnoticed and taken for the 90mm SA45. it was developed in the early 60s as alternative for the SA45 who was selected to be used in the Char 25T but would just had been too heavy for the vehicles to be accepted to service. the CN 90/930 was a light weight tank gun who was using the same ammo of the T119 90mm gun (who itself used the ammo of the 90mm M3) who was available in quantity in France. the gun had however little success due to the light velocity of the rounds reducing a lot the kinetic projectile performance.

 

Weight: under 1000kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/33

rounds size: 90x600 mm R

Rate of fire: estimated 8-9 rpm

effective range : unknown

 

Variants

D.911 (assumly just the same gun renamed)

 

use in vehicle

Char 25T (currently ingame with the wrong gun)

AMX M4 (D.911)

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M318 shot APBC 198 194 181 165 151 138
M77 Shot AP 188 184 171 156 143 130
M82 shot APCBC 210 207 193 178 163 150
M348 shell HEAT-FS 305 305 305 305 305 305
M71 shell HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M318 shot APBC 930 10.91 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M77 Shot AP 910? 10.60 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 665°
M82 shot APCBC 930 10.94 1.2 14 137.2 48° 63° 71°
M348 shell HEAT-FS 930 6.48 0.05 0.1 926.17 65° 72° 77°
M71 shell HE 850? 10.55 0 0.1 925 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M313 821 10.7 13 5 20 50

 

 

M77 (AP)

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solid shot round made of steel, it have a tracer at the bottom of the projectile that will burn for 3sec

 

 

projectile weight : 10,600 kg

velocity : about 910 m/sec

 

 

 

T33/M318 (APBC-T)

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solid rounds with ballistic cap for windshield, it is made of heat-treated steel. a tracer was placed at the bottom and burn for 3sec

 

projectile weight : 10,910 kg

velocity : 930 m/sec

 

 

 

 

M82 (APCBC-HE-T)

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solid round made of steel with hardened steel cap it is also having a ballistic cap. it have a trace at the back that would burn for 3 sec.

 

projectile weight : 10,930 kg

velocity : 930 m/sec

explosive filler : 140 g

 

 

T108 / M348 (HEAT-FS)

standard HEAT rounds for the 90mm M3 and T108 gun

 

projectile weight : 6.490 kg

velocity : 930 m/sec

explosive filler : unknown quantity (petinolite)

 

 

 

M71 (HE)

standard HE round for the 90mm M4 and T108 gun. it came in different load but i will limit myself to the normal one

 

projectile weight : 10.525 kg

velocity : est. 910 m/sec

explosive filler : 925g (TNT or Composite B)

 

M313 (SMK)

standard smoke round for the 90mm M3 and T108 gun

 

projectile weight : 10.610 kg

velocity : est. 910 m/sec

explosive filler : unknown quantity (white phosfore and TNT)

 

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CN 90 F1 (D921) (Defa 90 F1)

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Gun of type rifle tank gun. smoothbore and very light, capable to be used on light vehicles.

 

The CN-90 F1, orginally know as the DEFA D921, was a smoothbore anti-tank gun created to be mounted on light vehicles. capable to shoot fixed fin-stablized rounds, this gun could destroy any light amored vehicles and even some early MBT. this gun was created to offer alternative firepower to emerging country who couldn't affort a real MBT.

 

 

Weight: 390 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/33

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 8-9 rpm

effective range : 900 m

 

used in vehicles:

AML 90 (currently ingame)

AML Lynx

ERC Lynx

VCS

Panhard M6

M20 Revalorisée

RPX 90 Lynx

 

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 90-62 HEATFS 320 320 320 320 320 320
OE 90 F1 HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 90-62 HEATFS 750 8.95 0.05 0.1 877.7 65° 72° 77°
OE 90 F1 HE 640 10.45 0 0.1 945 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
OFUM PH90-F2 640 10.2 13 5 20 50

 

OCC 90-62 (HEATFS)

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standard anti-tank round with composite B filler and fix fin. it was capable to defeat a MBT.

 

projectile weight 3.65 kg

explofive filling : 0.64 kg Composition B

velocity : 750 m/sec

 

 

OE 90 F1 (HE)

standard High explosive round

 

projectile weight 5.28 kg

explofive filling : 0.945 Composition B

velocity : 650 m/sec

 

OFUM PH (smoke)

standard smoke round

 

projectile weight 5.4 kg

filling : 0.8 white phosphorous

velocity : 750 m/sec

 

ODR (canister)

standard anti personel round

 

projectile weight 5.28 kg

filling : 4 kg

velocity : 640 m/sec

 

 

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CN 90 F2

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weapon of type tank-gun, it was a development of the 75 mm SA49 used on the EBR

 

the 90mm CN-90 F2 was a 90mm gun designed to be used on the Osciliatory turret FL-11. the gun offering the same performence as the CN-90 F1 was used exclusively on the EBR modele 1963. it offer less velocity than the CN 90 F3 which was mounted on the AMX 13 and also have no auto-loader. this gun was more adapted in the fire-support and have a limited range and accuracy. the gun was however pretty capable to fight armoured target with his HEAT-FS rounds.

 

 

Weight: about 600kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/33

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 12 rpm

effective range : 800 m

 

use in vehicle

EBR 1963 (already ingame)

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 90-62 HEATFS 320 320 320 320 320 320
OE 90 F1 HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 90-62 HEATFS 750 8.95 0.05 0.1 877.7 65° 72° 77°
OE 90 F1 HE 650 10.45 0 0.1 945 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
OFUM PH90-F2 650 10.2 13 5 20 50

 

OCC 90-62 (HEATFS)

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standard anti-tank round with composite B filler and fix fin. it was capable to defeat a MBT.

 

projectile weight 3.65 kg

explofive filling : 0.64 kg Composition B

velocity : 950 m/sec

 

 

OE 90 F1 (HE)

standard High explosive round

 

projectile weight 5.28 kg

explofive filling : 0.945 Composition B

velocity : 750 m/sec

 

OFUM PH (smoke)

standard smoke round

 

projectile weight 5.4 kg

filling : 0.8 white phosphorous

velocity : 750 m/sec

 

ODR (canister)

standard anti personel round

 

projectile weight 5.28 kg

filling : 4 kg

velocity : 740 m/sec

 

Source

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/firm29.html

https://www.armscom.net/products/90mm_f1_heat_t_m630

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CN 90 F3

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weapon of type tank-gun, it was a development of the CN-75 SA50 used on the AMX 13

 

the CN 90 F3 was a enlarged version of the CN 75 SA 50. the the barrel was changed, the breach rechambered. this simple low cost upgrade was rather effective, it allow the gun to fire the same rounds as the 90mm F1 but with higher velocity. this upgrade was done in 1964 for the AMX 13 who needed to have more firepower as the Sherman and Patton was removed from services and their replacement was a couple year from them. the AMX 13 was for a couple years the main tank of France.

 

Weight: 1030kg

Magazine: 12 rounds

barrel caliber : L/50

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 12 rpm

range: 8500 m

effective range : 1000 m

 

use in vehicle

AMX 13-90 (already ingame)

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 90 F2 HEATFS 320 320 320 320 320 320
OE 90 F1 HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
OFL 90 F1 APFSDS 271 267 253 235 218 201
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 90 F2 HEATFS 950 3.65 0.05 0.1 877.7 65° 72° 77°
OE 90 F1 HE 750 5.28 0 0.1 945 79° 80° 81°
OFL 90 F1 APFSDS 1,275 2.33 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°

 

 

OCC F2 (HEATFS)

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this rounds is a OCC 90-62 with new casing for the 90mm F2.

 

projectile weight 3.65 kg

explofive filling : 0.64 kg Composition B

velocity : 950 m/sec

 

 

OE 90 F2 (HE)

standard High explosive round

 

projectile weight 5.28 kg

explofive filling : 0.945 Composition B

velocity : 750 m/sec

 

OFL 90 F1 (APFSDS)

standard Anti-tank rounds with kinetic energy. it was introduced after the AMX 13 was withdrawn from services, initially intended for the CS 90 F4, it was compatible with the CN-90 F3

 

projectile weight 2.44 kg

velocity : 1275 m/sec

 

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CS-90 F4

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weapon of type tank-gun, it was a development of the CN 90 F1 & F3. it was intended for the light vehicles.

 

Made of ESR steel, this gun was offering the light tank a much higher velocity over the 90mm previously used. it could take much higher pressure rounds and even fire APFSDS. initially called Super 90, this gun had replaced the CN 90 F1 in the development of the new light vehicles. it offer to the light vehicles the firepower of the early MBT.

 

Weight: 602 kg

Magazine: 12 rounds

barrel caliber : L/52

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 12 rpm

range: 6900 m

effective range : 1700 m

 

use in vehicle

MARS 15 (Currently in-game)

ERC 90 Sagaie

AMX 10RAC

AMX 10 PAC 90

VBC 90

VCS TS90

RPX 90 TS90

M113 TS90

AML 90 MARS F4

VBC Mars F4

RPX 90 Mars F4

ERC TTB 190

ERC Sagaie 2

ERC Mk.II

VBC 90 TTB 190

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 90 F2 HEATFS 320 320 320 320 320 320
OE 90 F1 HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
OE 90 S HE 15 15 15 15 15 15
OFL 90 F1 APFSDS 271 267 253 235 218 201
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 90 F2 HEATFS 950 3.65 0.05 0.1 877.7 65° 72° 77°
OE 90 F1 HE 750 5.28 0 0.1 945 79° 80° 81°
OE 90 S HE 700 7.2 0 0.1 1128 79° 80° 81°
OFL 90 F1 APFSDS 1,275 2.33 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
OFUM 90 F1 750 5.28 13 5 20 50

 

OCC F2 (HEATFS)

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this rounds is a OCC 90-62 with new casing.

 

projectile weight 3.65 kg

explofive filling : 0.64 kg Composition B

velocity : 950 m/sec

 

OE 90 F1 (HE)

standard rounds for fire-support in close combat

 

projectile weight 5.28 kg

explofive filling : 945 g TNTe

velocity : 750 m/sec

 

OE 90 S (HE)

standard rounds for fire-support in long range indirrect fire

 

projectile weight 7.2 kg

explofive filling : 1128 g TNTe

velocity : 700 m/sec

 

OFL 90 F1 (APFSDS)

standard Anti-tank rounds with kinetic energy

 

projectile weight 2.44 kg

velocity : 1275 m/sec

 

ODR 90 (Canister)

standard rounds for close defense against infantry

 

projectile weight 5.28 kg

explofive filling : unknown

velocity : 750 m/sec

 

OFUM 90 F1 (smoke)

standard smoke rounds

 

projectile weight 5.4 kg

explofive filling : Unknown

velocity : 750 m/sec

 

 

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Gun of type tank gun. created to modernize the french firepower for the new generation of tank

 

The SA47 was a gun designed by the Arsenal de Tarbes to provide the next generation of french tank with firepower capable to destroy the Russian heavy tank of the time. initially mounted on an assault gun in 1950/1952 this gun was also paired with an auto-loader in Oscillatory turret. as the design of the tank itself was to a dead-end, the SA47 was never adopted officially and was replaced by a 120mm in most tank that used it.

 

 

Weight: about 2000kg

Magazine: 7 rounds

barrel calibre : L/60

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 15 rpm (with auto-loader)

effective range : 1000 m

 

used in vehicles:

AMX 50 (currently ingame)

AMX 50 (2nd)

Lorraine 40T (currently ingame)

CA lorraine (currently ingame)

Somua SM (currently ingame)

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
100 mm Obus de rupture APCBC 273 270 257 242 228 215
100 mm Obus explosif HE 18 18 18 18 18 18
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
100 mm Obus de rupture APCBC 1,000 15 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
100 mm Obus explosif HE 1,000 14.8 0 0.1 1,400 79° 80° 81°

 

Unknow name (APCBC)

standard round for anti-tank used, not much details is know about his name and composition but it is assumed to be a APCBC like any french round of his time.

 

projectile weight 15.0 kg

projectile velocity : 1000 m/sec

 

 

Unknown name (HVAP)

a high velocity rounds studied to increased the efficiency against the Russian heavy tank, the IS-3 in particular. this round seem not the had been accepted in service as the 100mm gun was replaced by the 120mm who was much suitable against heavy tank. it was reported to have the capacity to destroy the IS-3 with a frontal hit at 1000m (600m for the normal APCBC rounds)

 

projectile weight 7.8 kg

projectile velocity : 1275 m/sec

 

(HE)

there is no information about his round found in any source, but Gaijin have this in-game, it most come from somewhere.

 

projectile weight 14.8 kg

projectile velocity : 1000 m/sec

Explosive filler : 1.400 g TNT equivalent

 

 

 

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Gun of type tank howitzer. design to be compatible with the US 105 rounds while been fitted on light vehicles.

 

This howitzer gun was intended to be used on the EBR and light tank as in their close support version. the gun mounted on the ACL-2 turret was designed independently of the vehicles chassis and the requirement of the EBR and light tank was specifically issue to be compatible with this turret along with other turret for different purpose. the chassis of AMX for the light tank and Panhard for the EBR was choosen and both was intended to receive the turret at somepoint. only the test show that the 75mm SA49 used as basic armament of the EBR was better in indirrect fire even if it was less powerful. the ACL-2 turret was too cramped and had limited elevation which led to his cancellation in favor of the FL-11 turret.

 

 

Weight: unknown

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : about L/23

rounds size: 105 × 617R mm

Rate of fire: 22 rpm

effective range : 10,000 m (indirect fire)

 

used in vehicles:

AMX 13 Obusier 105

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M1 shell HE 27 27 27 27 27 27
M67 shot HEAT 130 130 130 130 130 130
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M1 shell HE 472 14.85 0 0.1 2,180 79° 80° 81°
M67 shot HEAT 381 13.14 0.05 0.1 1,610 62° 69° 73°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M84 457 14.9 20 5 25 50

 

M1 shell (HE)

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this shell was the standard 105mm High explosive shell during WW2

 

weight = 14.85 kg

velocity = 472 m/s

explosive filler : 2,180 g TnTe

 

M67 shell (HE)

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this shell was used for close defense against tank, it could fire dirrectly and penetrate about any tank of WW2

 

weight = 13.14 kg

velocity = 381 m/s

explosive filler : 1,610 g TnTe

 

 

M84 shell (Smoke)

this shell was used for covering the movement of your allies. it create a rather large smoke screen.

 

weight = 14.9 kg

velocity = 457 m/s

explosive filler : unknown

 

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Obusier modèle 1950

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weapon of type Field-howitzer who was been adapted to some tanks. it proved a important fire-support capacity and also have some anti-tank capacity, can do both direct and in-direct fire.

 

developed from 1946, the Obusier de 105 Modele 1950 was one of the first from the new generation of french weapons developed after WW2. it was a first fully designed to be tracked by motorized meaning. the tripod mount of the gun allow a excellent elevation and easy deploy of the gun in the field. the gun itself was adapted to become a tank-howitzer and was mounted as self propelled artillery. this gun came in a few version who's main difference was the barrel lenght. the gun was also exported to serial country in a form or another

 

Variants

Obusier de 105 modèle 1950 calibre 23 : unofficial name, this is the tank version of the gun with Calibre 23 barrel, it was the main gun used for the tanks

Obusier de 105 modèle 1950 calibre 30 : unofficial name, this is the tank version of the gun with Calibre 30 barrel, it was exported for the Dutch army.

 

Weight: about 2000kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/23

rounds size: Semi-fixed 105x372 mm R

Rate of fire: 6 rpm

effective range : 2700 m (because of the HEAT)

 

use in vehicles

AMX automoteur Mk 61 de 105 mm

AMX automoteur Mk 61 de 105 mm (Dutch)

AMX automoteur Mk.62 de 105 mm

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 105 F1 HEAT 400 400 400 400 400 400
OE Mle 53 HE ? ? ? ? ? ?
OE mle 53 R HE ? ? ? ? ? ?
Obus a culot creux ABS HE ? ? ? ? ? ?
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC Mk F1 HEAT 700 10.95 0.05 0.1 1,020 62° 69° 73°
OE Mle 53 HE 568 16 0 0.1 unknown 79° 80° 81°
OE mle 53 R HE 568 16 0 0.1 unknown 79° 80° 81°
Obus a culot creux ABS HE over 568 13 0 0.1 unknown 79° 80° 81°

 

O CC MK.F1 (HEAT)

Heat round designed for the Obusier de 105 mle 50 and modified version of the OCC 105 F1 used on the AMX-30, it was not rotating but stabilized. it was also used on the CN 105-57

 

projectile weight 10.95 kg 

projectile velocity : 700 m/sec

 

 

OE Mle 53

this shell is a classical HE shell, but after entering into service, serial problem showed up. the irregular velocity of the shell was pretty obvious in the long fire and make the accuracy and dispersion quit bad. plus the American license-built PDM51A5 Fuse was often malfunctioning. those problems was mostly solved when the "R" type of the shells was entering into service in 1960.

 

weight = 16 kg

velocity = 568 m/s

explosive filler : unknown

 

 

OE mle 53 R

it was the improved shell used for the 105mm after 1960. the problem of irregular velocity was mostly solve wich improved the accuracy in the long-range and the new french built PDM557 fuse with a 30m safety stop the shells from exposing at less than 30m after shooting (even on impact).

 

weight = 16 kg

velocity = 568 m/s

explosive filler : unknown

 

 

Obus a culot creux ABS (HE)

built in the end of the 50s by ABS. it was used by Belgium, adopted by france but never used by the french army. this shells was designed to be used on longer range with the caliber 30 gun in hope to find export. the Mk.61 with the caliber 30 was indeed exported to Netherland but the Shells was not fallowing it there, the Belgian used it on the american M108. it was adepted by the french army but never used as the rounds was unstable in the low velocity gun, it was more adapted to high velocity gun or riffle gun

 

 

weight = 13 kg

velocity = well above 568 m/sec

explosive filler : unknown

 

 

 

 

 

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CN-105-57 (CN-105 D1)

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weapon of type Tank-gun. designed in the late 50s to provide a new firepower to the French light tank.

 

the CN-105 model 57 was a modified  75mm CN-75 SA 50. those modificaiton concerne the barrel, recoil system and muzzle (and the auto-loader in the turret), this weapon was used on the AMX-13 and M4 sherman (for export). this gun is usually paired with an autoloader. it was designed to use the HEAT rounds.

 

Variants

CN-105 D1 : shorterned version to be used on the Israeli M51 (export french design). the muzzle was modified for improving the recoil.

 

Weight: about 2000kg

Magazine: 12 rounds

barrel caliber : L/44

rounds size: unknow

Rate of fire: 12 rpm (with auto-loader)

effective range : 2700 m (because of the HEAT)

 

used in vehicles:

AMX-13 mod 58 (and other sub-variants)

M4 revitalisé "M51"  (CN-105 D1)

 

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MK F1Mk.60

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
HEAT 400 400 400 400 400 400
HE 25 25 25 25 25 25

MK F1Mk.60

Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
HEAT 800 10.95 0.05 0.1 1,020 62° 69° 73°
HE 700 12.1 0 0.1 2,000 79° 80° 81°
 
             
             

MK F1 (HEAT)

Heat round designed for the CN-105-57 and modified version of the OCC 105 F1 used on the AMX-30, it was not rotating but stabilized.

 

projectile weight possibly 10.95 kg 

projectile velocity : 800 m/sec

 

penetration

360 mm at any-distance, angle 0°

 

Mk.60 (HE)

standard HE round, later named OE 105 F1 Mle.60. same as used on the AMX-30 only with modified cartridge.

 

 

projectile weight 12.1 kg

projectile velocity : 700 m/sec

explosive weight : 2 kg (TNT equivalent)

 

 

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note, this gun is not the exact gun used on the SK-105, the Austrian tnak used a improved version capable of APFSDS and HESH.

 

CN 105 Mle 62 (F1)

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Gun of type rifle tank gun. inspired by the CN-105-57 from the AMX-13.

 

THe CN 105 mle 62, or also know as the CN-105 F1, was a gun designed for the French MBT in development in the 60s (who became the AMX-30). the gun was inspired from the CN-105-57 who was used in the AM-13. it is fitted with a semi-automatic vertical sliding wedge breech block. No muzzle brake is fitted and a compressed air scavenging system is used instead of a bore excavator. A thermal sleeve is fitted. The recoil mechanism uses two symmetrically opposed hydraulic brake cylinders with a single hydro-pneumatic recuperator cylinder. An electrical firing system is fitted

 

 

Weight: about 2000kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/56

rounds size: 105 × 617R mm

Rate of fire: 10 rpm

effective range : 2000 m

 

used in vehicles:

Europanzer

AMX-30A

AMX-30B (currently ingame)

AMX-30B (1972) (currently ingame)

AMX-30B2 (currently ingame)

AMX-30B2 BRENUS (currently ingame)

AMX-30C

AMX-30 Super (currently ingame)
AMX 32

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 105 F1 HEAT 400 400 400 400 400 400
OE 105 F1 Mle.60 HE 25 25 25 25 25 25
OFL 105 F1 APFSDS 361 358 350 341 332 322
OFL 105 G2 APFSDS 433 430 422 413 404 394
OFL 105 G3 APFSDS 414 411 403 394 385 375
OFL 105 F2 APFSDS 462 459 451 442 433 423
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 105 F1 HEAT 1,000 10.95 0.05 0.1 1,020 62° 69° 73°
OE 105 F1 Mle.60 HE 700 12.1 0 0.1 2,000 79° 80° 81°
OFL 105 F1 APFSDS 1,525 3.8 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 105 G2 APFSDS 1,525 4 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 105 G3 APFSDS 1,490 4 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 105 F2 APFSDS 1,525 6.25 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
OFPH 105 F1 700 11.4 20 5 25 50

 

OLF 105 F1 (APFSDS)

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standard APFSDS rounds in service for the CN-105 F1. the round used a tungsten dart.

 

projectile weight 3.8 kg

projectile velocity : 1525 m/sec

 

 

 

 

OLF 105 G2 (APFSDS)

Improved APFSDS rounds in service for the CN-105 F1 since 1987. it have a heavier tungsten core and same velocity than the OLF 105 F1. it was reported to have 20% more penetration.

 

projectile weight 4.0 kg

projectile velocity : 1525 m/sec

 

 

 

OLF 105 G3 (APFSDS)

same as the the OLF G2 but with older powder charge. the velocity was lower.

 

projectile weight 4.0 kg

projectile velocity : 1490 m/sec

 

 

OFL 105 F2 (APFSDS)

improved round in service from 1992, it was having a heavier core made of depleted Uranium.

 

projectile weight 4.0 kg

projectile velocity : 1525 m/sec

 

as i am not familar with the Depleted uranium core, i am unable to estimate the penetration.

 

OCC 105 F1 (HEAT)
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standard Heat round for the CN-105 F1, it was also know as Obus G.

 

projectile weight 10.95 kg

projectile velocity : 1000 m/sec

 

penetration

400 mm at any-distance, angle 0°

 

OE 105 F1 Mle.60 (HE)

standard high explosive round for the CN-105 F1

 

projectile weight 12.1 kg

projectile velocity : 700 m/sec

explosive weight : 2 kg (TNT equivalent)

 

OFPH 105 F1

standard smoke round for the CN-105 F1

 

projectile weight 11.4 kg

projectile velocity : 700 m/sec

 

 

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CN-105-F2 (BK Meca)

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Gun of type tank gun. designed by Giat to be a large caliber light weight gun.

 

the F2 is a french gun created to be a light weight, low pressure, high velocity, large calibre gun to be mounted in light vehicles. the gun had fill his promise by been offering decent performance in comparison to the analogue gun used on heavier vehicles. this gun was notably capable to be mounted on armoured car and exported to a few country through the vehicles that was using it. it is the most powerful low pressure gun of his calibre.

 

 

Weight: 720kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/48

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 10 rpm

effective range : 1200 m

sight: lunette M563

 

used in vehicles:

AMX 10 RC (curently in-game)

AMX-10 RCR (and sub variants)

AMX 10 C

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 105 F3 HEATFS 350 350 350 350 350 350
OE 105 F3 HE 25 25 25 25 25 25
OFL 105 F3 APFSDS 325 321 318 316 308 303
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 105 F3 HEATFS 1,120 5.65 0.05 0.1 1,020 65° 72° 77°
OE 105 F3 HE 800 7.1 0 0.1 2,000 79° 80° 81°
OFL 105 F3 APFSDS 1,400 3.8 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
O-FUM-PH-105 F3 800 7.1 20 5 25 50

 

OCC 105 F3 (HEATFS)

standard anti-tank rounds, it was for a long time the only anti-tank rounds used in the F2 gun.

 

 

projectile weight 5.6 kg

projectile velocity : 1120 m/sec

explosive filler : 1020 g of TNT equivalent

 

 

OFL 105 F3 (APFSDS)

kinetic anti-tank round for the F2 gun, introduced in 1987 making possible that the earlier version of the vehicles never get it (like the AMX 10 C)

 

projectile weight 3.8 kg

projectile velocity : 1400 m/sec

 

 

OE 105 F3 (HE)

standard High explosive round for the F2 gun

 

projectile weight 7.1 kg

projectile velocity : 800 m/sec

explosive filler : 2000 g TNT equivalent

 

OFUM 105 F3 (smoke)

standard smoke round for the F2 gun, it produce a 70m wide smoke screen for 20 sec.

 

projectile weight 7.1 kg

projectile velocity : 800 m/sec

 

BSCC F3 (HEAT-PRAC)

inert practice rounds to reproduce the same balistic and velocity than the OCC 105 F3, only used for training purpose.

 

projectile weight 5.6 kg

projectile velocity : 1120 m/sec

 

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Gun of type rifle tank gun. designed as a light weight gun capable to fire high pressure rounds.

 

created in the late 90s, to replace the CN-105 F2 as light weight, large calibre gun, the G2 didn't meet as much success. the gun was using the same ammo from the CN-105 mle 62 in used in the AMX-30. while been weaker than the CN-105 mle 62, it is still more powerful than the CN-105 F2 and capable to be used on light tank. it was used on serial light vehicles who was either export venture or potential replacement for the current vehicles in services.

 

 

Weight: 1610kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/50

rounds size: 105 × 617R mm

Rate of fire: 10 rpm

effective range : 2000 m

 

used in vehicles:

Mars 15 TML-105

AMX 10 RC TML-105

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 105 F1 HEAT 400 400 400 400 400 400
OE 105 F1 Mle.60 HE 25 25 25 25 25 25
OFL 105 F1 APFSDS 361 358 350 341 332 322
OFL 105 G2 APFSDS 433 430 422 413 404 394
OFL 105 G3 APFSDS 414 411 403 394 385 375
OFL 105 F2 APFSDS 462 459 451 442 433 423
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 105 F1 HEAT 1,000 10.95 0.05 0.1 1,020 62° 69° 73°
OE 105 F1 Mle.60 HE 700 12.1 0 0.1 2,000 79° 80° 81°
OFL 105 F1 APFSDS 1,525 3.8 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 105 G2 APFSDS 1,525 4 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 105 G3 APFSDS 1,490 4 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 105 F2 APFSDS 1,525 6.25 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
OFPH 105 F1 700 11.4 20 5 25 50

 

OLF 105 F1 (APFSDS)

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standard APFSDS rounds in service for the CN-105 F1. the round used a tungsten dart.

 

projectile weight 3.8 kg

projectile velocity : 1500 m/sec

 

 

 

 

OLF 105 G2 (APFSDS)

Improved APFSDS rounds in service for the CN-105 F1 since 1993. it have a heavier tungsten core and same velocity than the OLF 105 F1. it was reported to have 20% more penetration.

 

projectile weight 4.0 kg

projectile velocity : 1500m/sec

 

 

 

 

OLF 105 G3 (APFSDS)

same as the the OLF G2 but with older powder charge. the velocity was lower.

 

projectile weight 4.0 kg

projectile velocity : 1455 m/sec (estimated)

 

 

 

 

 

OFL 105 F2 (APFSDS)

improved round in service from 1992, it was having a heavier core made of depleted Uranium.

 

projectile weight 4.0 kg

projectile velocity : 1500 m/sec

 

as i am not familar with the Depleted uranium core, i am unable to estimate the penetration.

 

OCC 105 F1 (HEAT)
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standard Heat round for the CN-105 F1, it was also know as Obus G.

 

projectile weight 10.95 kg

projectile velocity : 980 m/sec

 

 

 

 

OE 105 F1 Mle.60 (HE)

standard high explosive round for the CN-105 F1

 

projectile weight 12.1 kg

projectile velocity : 690 m/sec

explosive weight : 2 kg (TNT equivalent)

 

OFPH 105 F1

standard smoke round for the CN-105 F1

 

projectile weight 11.4 kg

projectile velocity : 690 m/sec

 

 

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Gun of type tank gun. based on the 120mm M58 from USA

 

the SA46, also know as the D.1203, was a French version of the American 120mm M58. the difference was mainly the new barrel and serial different minor part. it was originally planed to be mounted on SPG. the gun was also usually paired with auto-loader. it was favoured to be the main armament of what was to be the last generation of french heavy tank before the HEAT and ATGM made the heavily armoured tank useless. this gun while never been used on a produced tank, was a finished and tested gun who have the capacity to fire the M58's rounds and also some other french one.

 

 

Weight: about 2500kg

Magazine: 6 rounds (with auto-loader)

barrel caliber : L/60

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 10 rpm (with auto-loader)

effective range : 1400 m

 

used in vehicles:

AMX 50 foch (currently ingame)

AMX 50 120
AMX 50 surblindé (currently ingame)

AMX 50 surbaissé (currently ingame)

 

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M356 HE 39 39 39 39 39 39
M358 APBC 301 298 286 272 258 245
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M356 HE 762 22.84 0 0.1 4,650 79° 80° 81°
M358 APBC 1,067 23.1 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°

 

M358 shot (APBC)

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American rounds used as standard for the 120mm SA46 gun. this round was a full steel round with ballistic cap. the french may also have built their own variants of this round

 

 

projectile weight 23.1 kg

projectile velocity : 1067 m/sec

 

 

 

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this schematic was a mock up of the round made of wood

tested and planed to be standard round for the 120mm SA46 gun, it was to be used against heavier target. but as the tanks using this gun was cancelled, this rounds never saw service. it was reported to be capable to destroy a IS-3 at 1400m with a frontal hit

 

projectile weight 12.5 kg

projectile velocity : 1300 m/sec

 

as i lack of details about the final round, i cannot accurately provide a estimation of the penetration table

 

(APDS)

Rounds with 75mm sub-calibre in a discard sabot, been in development, it do not seem this round was ready to service by the time of the cancellation of the AMX-50

 

projectile weight 12.5 kg

projectile velocity : 1250 m/sec

 

 

M356 shell (HE)

High explosive Rounds standardized for the SA46 but originally American.

 

projectile weight 22.84 kg

projectile velocity : 762 m/sec

explosvie filler : 4650 g of TNT equivalent

 

 

 

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CN-120-25 (G1)

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weapon of type tank-gun, it is a smooth bore gun

 

created in the 80s to offer a alternative to the 105mm F1 and still fit in the same tanks, the 120mm G1 was a smooth bore gun who's could be interchangeable with the 105mm. infact, the gun itself is a CN-105 F1 with thinner barrel side made of stronger material. it was offered with the AMX 32 and AMX-40 MBT for export. it was also used by the Brazilian in the EE-T1

 

Weight: 2450kg

Magazine: none

barrel calibre : L/53

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 9 rpm

effective range : 4000 m

 

use in vehicles

AMX-32

AMX-40

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 120 G1 HEATFS 480 480 480 480 480 480
OFL 120 G1 APFSDS 394 393 388 382 376 370
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 120 G1 HEATFS 1,050 14.3 0.05 0.1 2,150 65° 72° 77°
OFL 120 G1 APFSDS 1,650 3.8 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°

 

OCC 120 G1 (HEATFS)

Heat round designed for the 120mm G1

 

projectile weight 14.2 kg

projectile velocity : 1050 m/sec

explosive filler : 2150 g of TNT equivalent

 

 

 

OFL 120 G1 (APFSDS)

standard APFSDS round used on the 120mm G1. this round was initially design for the CN-105-G2 used in the AMX-10RC, it was fittet in a new cartbidge and given a new sabot for been used in the 120mm F1

 

projectile weight 3.8 kg

projectile velocity : 1650 m/sec

 

 

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CN-120-26 (F1)

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weapon of type tank-gun, it is a smooth bore gun used to be mounted in +45 tons tanks.

 

Also called the 120mm F1, it is a related desing to the 120mm G1, offering much more firepower, it also required a much heavier vehicles to stand the gun's pressure. this gun is meant to be used on vehicles of over 45 tons. it is the main armament used on the Leclerc serie and one of the most powerful MBT gun in service in the world. it can fire a large selection of rounds and is also paired with an auto-loader. in the case of the Leclerc, the gun is fittet with a sight system on the barrel tips (camera and other equipment)

 

Weight: 2800kg

Magazine: 22 rounds (in auto-loader)

barrel caliber : L/52

rounds size: unknown

Rate of fire: 12 rpm (with auto-loader)

effective range : 4000 m

 

use in vehicles

Leclerc Ares

Leclerc Bayard

Leclerc S1 (currently ingame)

Leclerc S2 (currently ingame)

Leclerc XXI

Leclerc XLR

 

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Ammunition Type of
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Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 120 G1 HEATFS 480 480 480 480 480 480
OCC 120 F1 HEATFS 480 480 480 480 480 480
OFL 120 G1 APFSDS 425 423 417 410 404 396
OFL 120 F1 APFSDS 575 573 565 557 547 537
OFL 120 F1A APFSDS ? ? ? ? ? ?
OFL 120 F2 APFSDS 627 625 617 609 599 589
120 Shard APFSDS 657 655 647 639 629 619
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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 120 G1 HEATFS 1,050 14.4 0.05 0.1 2,150 65° 72° 77°
OCC 120 F1 HEATFS 1,100 14.4 0.05 0.1 2,150 65° 72° 77°
OFL 120 G1 APFSDS 1,780 3.8 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 120 F1 APFSDS 1,790 3.8 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 120 F1A APFSDS 1,790 4.0 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
OFL 120 F2 APFSDS 1,740 4.5 N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
120 Shard APFSDS 1.720 ? N/A N/A N/A 78° 80° 81°
 
     
           
               
               
               
               
               

OCC 120 G1 (HEATFS)

Heat round originally designed for the 120mm G1. it was available since the early 80s

 

projectile weight 14.2 kg

projectile velocity : 1050 m/sec

explosive filler : 2150 g of TNT equivalent

 

 

OECC 120 F1 (HEATFS)

multi-purpose to used against less armoured target, building and infantry. it was available since the end of the 80s

 

projectile weight 14.4 kg

projectile velocity : 1100 m/sec

explosive filler : probably 2150 g of TNT equivalent

 

 

 

 

OFL 120 G1 (APFSDS)

this round was initially design for the CN-105-G2 used in the AMX-10RC, it was fitted in a new cartridge and given a new sabot for been used in the 120mm F1. it was the only kinetic round used in the prototype. the rounds was design in the early 80s.

 

projectile weight 3.8 kg

projectile velocity : 1650 m/sec *details are needed for the ingame velocity of 1780 m/sec

 

 

OFL 120 F1 (APFSDS)

later called the OFL 120 F1A, it was the standard kinetic round for the Leclerc series after the services. developed with the German as DM43. it was a standard APFSDS with tungsten penetrator. in service since 1993

 

projectile weight 3.8 kg

projectile velocity : 1790 m/sec

 

 

 

 

OFLE 120 F1B (APFSDS)

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The 120mm APFSDS F1B is designed to defeat heavy armoured vehicles such as MBT’s. The projectile is based on a tungsten penetrator equipped with a six blades fin assembled in a 3 part-sabot. A ballistic cap is fitted to the front of the penetrator. in service as standard round for the 120mm F1 since 2011

 

projectile weight 4 kg

projectile velocity : 1790 m/sec

 

 

 

 

OLF 120 F2 (APFSDS)

depleted uranium round used in the 120mm F1. it was giving a much better penetration than the usual APFSDS. but cost much more. it entered in service in 1996

 

projectile weight 4.5 kg

projectile velocity : 1740 m/sec

 

Penetration (reported)

690 mm at 2000 meter, angle unknown°

 

OE 120 G1 (HE)

currently in service as standard high explosive round fr the 120mm F1. it have an uranium penetrator.

 

projectile weight 15.5 kg

projectile velocity : 1000 m/sec

explosive filler : unknown

 

OEFC 120 F1 (canister shot)

canister shot to used against personal and lightly armored vehicles. it is effective at up to 400m. it contain 1100 tungsten balls.

 

projectile weight minimal

projectile velocity : 1410 m/sec

 

OFLEX (APFSDS-TP)

training round who simulate the APFSDS in service, it have limited range.

 

OFL X  G 120 (APFSDS-TP)

modernized training round who simulate the APFSDS in service, it have limited range. in services since 2011

 

BSCC F1 (HE-TP)

training round to simulate the HE rounds. contain no explosive

 

BSCC F1A (HE-TP)

modernized training round to simulate the HE rounds. contain no explosive

 

 

Source

https://weaponsystems.net/system/886-120mm+Giat+CN120-26

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3583.html

https://www.armscom.net/

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ACRA

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weapon of type rocket-launcher. developed in the 60s to be heavy weapons of tanks

 

the Anti-Char Rapide Autopropulsé or ACRA was a APX weapon meant to bring heavy armament to the armoured units. the ACRA was designed in the early 60s and was capable to destroy any tank, even the most heavily armoured, at any distance with a single hit. capable of a higher velocity than the ATGM, the ACRA was more suitable to be mounted in a MBT. the project was cancelled in 1971 as the single missile cost was reaching 1,000,000 French Franc (around 200,000 USD wich would be around and nearly 1.300,000 USD in today value)

 

Weight: 1740 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/29.5

rounds size: 142mm

Rate of fire: 4 rpm

effective range : 3300 m

sight : APX M 390 (10x)

 

use in vehicles

AMX 30 ACRA (currently ingame)

AMX 10 ACRA

 

 

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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
MP ACRA ATGM 700 700 700 700 700 700
MUC HE 36 36 36 36 36 36
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
MP ACRA ATGM 500 25 0.05 0.1 3,280 80° 82° 90°
MUC HE 700 23 0 0.1 3,580 79° 80° 81°

 

Charge Creuse (HEAT)

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Heat round originally designed for the ARCRA. it was the standard anti-tank rounds

 

projectile weight 24 kg (in flight)

projectile velocity : 500-550 m/sec

explosive filler : 2500 g of Hexolite

 

 

MUC (HE)
anti personal version missile with a warhead more suitable for soft target and lightly armored vehicles.

 

projectile weight 23 kg (in flight)

projectile velocity : 500-550 m/sec

explosive filler : 3000 g of Hexolite

 

 

 

 

 

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Obusier de 155 mm Modèle 50

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weapon of type Field-Howitzer. been developed in the late 40s and produced in the early 50s

 

first artillery gun produced by France after ww2, the 155mm Mle 50 was a heavy gun capable of long range fire-support and dirrect fire. the gun usually in a towable mount, was also adapted to tanks chassis in the purpose to create a mobile artillery tank. the gun was produced since 1952 and retired in 1980. it could fire High Explosive rounds who's heavy explosive charge could even destroy tanks.

 

Weight: 8,100 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/30

rounds size: Separate loading charge and projectile, 155mm NATO standard

Rate of fire: 3-4 rpm

effective range : 18 000 m

 

 

use in vehicles

Lorraine 155 mle 50 (currently ingame)

Lorraine 155 mle 51

Automoteur Batignolles-Chatillon

 

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Ammunition Type of
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Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M107 HE 61 61 61 61 61 61
OE Mle 56 HE 64 64 64 64 64 64
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 563 43.1 0.0 0.1 9.290 79° 80° 81°
OE Mle 56 HE 647 43,75 0.0 0.1 11.837 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M110 563 40.8 25 5 30 50

 

 

 

OE Mle 56 (HE)

French standard round, created specifically for this gun. it carry a much more powerful explosive charge. the round was registered with 3 different velocity using 3 different propelling charges level (maximal is 8).

 

weight : 43,750 kg

Velocity : 647 m/sec (charge 8)

explosive filler : 8.9 kg (Composition B) 11.837kg TNTe

 

M107 (HE)

standard US rounds, compatible with the gun and for making the gun supply. this round was already in service in France for other guns

 

weight : 42.972

Velocity : 568 m/sec (charge 7)

explosive filler : 6.985 kg (Composition B) 9.29kg TNTe

 

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Cince the 155mm Char 2c will come, what rounds will it have, was there also a Bottom Fuze He shell, cince its a Schneider cannon and the 12cm Schneider also had a B.F. He.

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19 hours ago, Ghostmaxi said:

Cince the 155mm Char 2c will come, what rounds will it have, was there also a Bottom Fuze He shell, cince its a Schneider cannon and the 12cm Schneider also had a B.F. He.

 

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On 15/07/2022 at 18:34, CaID said:

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Canon de 75 mm modèle 1897

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weapon of type Field-gun, it made his reputation during WW1 where it was know to be accurate and very fast to fire. this gun was still in service in WW2 and not yet obsolete.

 

it was designed in the end of the 19th century. the mle 1897 was a gun who was exceptional. capable to provide medium weight fire-support, with great accuracy and fast reload, this good made himself a reputation of legend. outstanding in WW1, it was sill very good in ww2. the gun was mass produced in very large number and was extremely common in the french army all over the world. the gun was also used main weapons for serial tanks. sadly none of them was designed for ww2.

 

Weight: 880 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber :L/29.7

rounds size: 75x350R mm

Rate of fire: 20 rpm

sight Magnification: 2.5x

range: 6500 m

effective range : 1500 m

 

used in vehicles

Saint-Chamond

FCM 2C

Cannon-Conus

Various improvised gun truck

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Obus ordinaire Mle 1898 AP 84 80 69 56 46 35
PCO-40 APCBC 103 100 89 76 66 56
Brandt 75/58 APDS 97 95 85 75 66 57
Obus de rupture de 75 mm Mle 1908 APHE ? ? ? ? ? ?
Obus perforant AL mle 1916 APHE 69 66 55 45 35 25
Obus perforant AL mle 1918 APHE 68 65 54 44 34 24
Obus de rupture mle 1910 APHE 77 74 64 54 45 34
Obus explosive mle 1900 HE 11 11 11 11 11 11
Obus explosive mle 1917 HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
Obus explosive mle 1918 HE 8 8 8 8 8 8
Obus explosif FA Mle1929 AL HE 7 7 7 7 7 7
Obus a balles a charge arriere mle 1897 Shrapnel 24 23 18 14 10 8
Obus a balles mle 1897-A Shrapnel 6 6 6 6 6 6
Obus a balles mle 1897-M Shrapnel 5 5 5 5 5 5
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Obus ordinaire Mle 1898 AP 600 6.0 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
POT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Brandt 75/58 APDS 900 1.9 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
Obus perforant AL mle 1916 APHE 575 7.45 1.2 14 335 47° 60° 65°
Obus perforant AL mle 1918 APHE 575 7.32 1.2 14 325 47° 60° 65°
Obus de rupture de 75 mm Mle 1908 APHE ? ? ? ? ? 47° 60° 65°
Obus de rupture mle 1910 APHE 570 6.4 1.2 14 90 47° 60° 65°
Obus explosive mle 1900 HE 550 5.25 0 0.1 775 79° 80° 81°
Obus explosive mle 1917 HE 575 5.975 0 0.1 675 79° 80° 81°
Obus explosive mle 1918 HE 555 6.37 0 0.1 435 79° 80° 81°
Obus explosif FA Mle1929 AL HE 590 6.96 0 0.1 393 79° 80° 81°
Obus a balles a charge arriere mle 1897 Shrapnel 535 7.25 1.2 3 11 48° 63° 71°
Obus a balles mle 1897-A Shrapnel 535 7.24 1.2 3 38 48° 63° 71°
Obus a balles mle 1897-M Shrapnel 535 7.24 1.2 3 38 48° 63° 71°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Obus fumigène Mle1915 550 5.315 13 5 20 50

 

 

obus ordinaire Mle 1898 (AP)

standard multipurpose round for the 75mm, few info was found but accurding to his name, it was likely plain steel rounds

 

 

Velocity: 600 m/sec

Weight : 6.0 kg

Explosive filler : none (assumed)

 

 

PCO 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s and the projctile migrated to the 75mm SA50 under the name of PCOT-51P

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

Brandt 75/58 (APDS)

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rounds developed in emergency in 1940 to provide the field artillery some additional anti-armour capacity. it was a 58mm projectile inside of a 75mm sabot. the projectile was a tungsten core with pointy ballistic cap.

 

Velocity: 900 m/sec

Weight : 1.9 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

Obus perforant AL mle 1916 (APHE)

standard multipurpose rounds, created during ww2 for longer range shooting. it was a long High explosive round with tick steel.

 

Velocity: 575 m/sec

Weight : 7.445kg

Explosive filler : 350 g

 

Obus perforant AL mle 1918 (APHE)

standard multipurpose rounds, created during ww2 for longer range shooting. it was a long High explosive round with tick steel.

 

Velocity: 575 m/sec

Weight : 7.320kg

Explosive filler : 325 g

 

Obus de rupture de 75 mm Mle 1908 (APHE)

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round that was immigrate from the navy and used the the mle 1897. this rounds was similar to the mle 1910

 

Velocity: ?

Weight : ?

Explosive filler : ?

 

 

Obus de rupture mle 1910 (APHE)

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standard anti-fortification round for the 75mm, very common during ww1 and ww2, it offer a decent AT capacity. it was fully built in steel with explosive filler.

 

 

Velocity: 570 m/sec

Weight : 6.40 kg

Explosive filler : 90 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

Penetration (reported)

75mm at 500 meter, angle 0° 

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1900 (HE)

standard High explosive round design before WW1.

 

Velocity: 550 m/sec

Weight : 5.245 kg

Explosive filler : 775 g

 

Obus explosive mle 1915 FN & GN (HE)

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standard High explosive round created during ww1 to allow a more flexible use of the gun.

 

Velocity: 550 m/sec (344 m/sec for low charge)

Weight : 5.16 kg

Explosive filler : 740 g

 

Obus explosive mle 1917 (HE)

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standard High explosive rounds created during ww1.

 

Velocity: 575 m/sec

Weight : 5. 975kg

Explosive filler : 675 g

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1918 (HE)

standard high explosive round created during ww1.

 

Velocity: 555 m/sec

Weight : 6. 37kg

Explosive filler : 435 g

 


Obus explosif FA Mle1929 AL (HE)

 

Velocity: 590 m/sec

Weight : 6. 96kg

Explosive filler : 393 g

 

Obus a balles a charge arriere mle 1897_(Shrapnel)

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standard shrapnel round.

 

Velocity: 535 m/sec

Weight : 7.25kg

contain: 261 balls

Explosive filler : 11 g

 

Obus a balles mle 1897-A_(Shrapnel)

standard shrapnel round.

 

Velocity: 535 m/sec

Weight : 7.24kg

contain: 263 to 269 balls

Explosive filler : 38 g

 

Obus a balles mle 1897-M_(Shrapnel)

standard shrapnel round.

 

Velocity: 535 m/sec

Weight : 7.24kg

contain: 281 to 287 balls

Explosive filler : 38 g

 

Obus incendiaire Mle1916 type G à charge mélangée (incendiary)

standard incendiary rounds used in ww1. This shell had an instant fuze and included 6 tarred incendiary charges, black powder and lead bullets. It was therefore a combined explosive, incendiary and anti-personal shell. The lead bullets were probably able to pierce oil, fuel etc. tanks before the incendiary charges ignite fire.

 

Velocity: ?

Weight : 5.4kg

contain: ?

Explosive filler : ?

 

Obus eclerante (illumination)

standard flare used in ww1

 

Weight : 5.9kg
time of illumination : 40 seconds

 

Obus fumigène Mle1915 (smoke)

standard smoke used since ww1. this shell contain white phosphorous

 

Velocity: 550 m/sec

Weight : 5.315kg

 

Source

http://www.fortiffsere.fr/artillerie/index_fichiers/Page1792.htm

http://catainium.blogspot.com/2016/06/75-mm-canon-de-75-modele-1897.html

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APX mle 1929

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Weapon of type fortress-gun. it was a development of the 75mm Mle 1897 to be used in fortification.

 

the APX 1929 was a variant of the 75mm Mle 1897 created to used in fortification. presented in the end of 1929, this gun was soon adopted mainly for indirect fire from the fortification of the Maginot line. the gun was also used in some case for direct fire. it used the same breech of the 75mm mle 1897 making it easy to train crew who was already familiar to the other gun but also make it easy to use the large stockpile of 75mm rounds. seeking for mobile bunker and mobile artillery support, the French had created serial prototype of SPG using this gun and some variants of it. some of them was accepted into service in 1940

 

Weight: 2315 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/36

rounds size: 75x350R mm

Rate of fire: 12 to 24 rpm (usual rate but can go up to 30 rpm in emergency)

effective range : 800m

sight: APX L 647

 

 

used in vehicles

ACL 75 G-R

SAu 40 (currently ingame)

ARL V 39

 

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Ammunition Type of
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Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
PCO-40 APCBC 103 100 89 76 66 56
Brandt 75/58 APDS 97 95 85 75 66 57
Obus de rupture mle 1910 APHE 77 74 64 54 45 34
Obus explosive mle 1900 HE 11 11 11 11 11 11
Obus explosive mle 1917 HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
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Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
POT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Brandt 75/58 APDS 900 1.9 N/A N/A N/A 75° 78° 80°
Obus de rupture mle 1910 APHE 570 6.4 1.2 14 90 47° 60° 65°
Obus explosive mle 1900 HE 550 5.25 0 0.1 775 79° 80° 81°
Obus explosive mle 1917 HE 575 5.975 0 0.1 675 79° 80° 81°

 

Obus de rupture mle 1910 (APHE)

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standard anti-fortification round for the 75mm, very common during ww1 and ww2, it offer a decent AT capacity. it was fully built in steel with explosive filler.

 

 

Velocity: 570 m/sec

Weight : 6.40 kg

Explosive filler : 90 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

 

 

 

PCOT 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

Brandt 75/58 (APDS)

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rounds developped in emergency in 1940 to provide the field artillery some additional anti-armor capacity. it was a 58mm projectil inside of a 75mm sabot. the projectile was a tungsten core with pointy balistic cap.

 

Velocity: 900 m/sec

Weight : 1.9 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1900 (HE)

standard High explosive round design before WW1.

 

Velocity: 545 m/sec

Weight : 5.245 kg

Explosive filler : 775 g

 

Obus explosive mle 1917 (HE)

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standard High explosive rounds created during ww1.

 

Velocity: 577 m/sec

Weight : 5. 975kg

Explosive filler : 675 g

 

source

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000077

https://artillerie.asso.fr/basart/article.php3?id_article=457

 

 

SA35

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weapon of type tank-gun, designed in the 30s to be mounted in tank of type Char de bataille, it was a shortened version based on the 75mm Mle 1897.

 

been very powerful and very fast. the SA35 was gun designed to be used in the char B1. it was capable to fire all the rounds for the mle 1897 but only 2 was officially issue for this gun. the short barrel greatly reduced the velocity, accuracy and penetration of this gun, however, the firepower remained more than enough to engage any tank of early ww2. the great fire-rate of the mle 1897 allow the SA35 to have a still fast fire-rate compared to the 75mm of his time. usually mounted low on the hull, it was mostly meant to blow away fortification who was often at the low ground. but in WW2, this gun proven to be deadly for the German tank.

 

 

Weight: about 750 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/17.1

rounds size: 75x241R mm

Rate of fire: 15 rpm

range: 6500 m

effective range : 800-1000 m

sight: L.710

sight Magnification: 3.5x

 

 

used in vehicles

Char B1

Char B1bis (currently ingame)

Char B1ter (currently ingame)

Char G1 (not installed)

 

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Ammunition Type of
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Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Mle1910M APHE 59 58 51 44 38 33
Mle1915 HE 11 11 11 11 11 11
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Ammunition Type of
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Velocity
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Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
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Fuse sensitivity
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Explosive Mass
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Ricochet
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Mle1910M APHE 475 6.4 1.2 14 90 47° 60° 65°
Mle1915 HE 500 5.55 0 0.1 740 79° 80° 81°

 

 

Obus de rupture mle 1910 (APHE)

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standard anti-fortification round for the 75mm, very common during ww1 and ww2, it offer a decent AT capacity. it was fully built in steel with explosive filler.

 

 

Velocity: 475 m/sec

Weight : 6.40 kg

Explosive filler : 90 g of MDN or NP-MN

 

 

 

 

Obus explosive mle 1915 FN & GN (HE)

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standard High explosive round created during ww1 to allow a more flexible use of the gun.

 

Velocity: 500 m/sec (344 m/sec for low charge)

Weight : 5.16 kg

Explosive filler : 740 g

 

 

source

https://wwiitanks.co.uk/FORM-Gun_Data.php?I=43

A Technical Examination of the Main Armament of the French

 

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M3 (American in French services)

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Weapon of type tank-gun. it was a development of the 75mm M1897A1 by the American for their medium tank.

 

the 75mm M3 is a pretty decent mid WW2 gun developed by the American from the M1897A1 which was basically a American version of the french 75mm Mle 1897. the gun offer a great balance between firepower and reload rate. the velocity been average allot it to have the capacity to fight most of the WW2 vehicles. theoretically, the gun could also fire the french standard rounds.

 

Weight: 405 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/40

rounds size: 75x350R mm

Rate of fire: 8 to 12 rpm

effective range : 800m

 

 

 

used in vehicles

M4a1 (currently ingame)

M4a4 (currently ingame)

 

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M72 shot AP 91 88 78 67 57 49
M48 shell HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
M61 shot APCBC-HE 104 101 90 78 68 59
PCOT-40 APCBC 104 101 92 81 72 63
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M72 shot AP 619 6.3 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M48 shell HE 463 6.3 0 0.1 666 79° 80° 81°
M61 shot APCBC 618 6.79 1.2 14 63.7 48° 63° 71°
PCOT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M89 259 3 13 5 20 50
M64 603 3 13 5 20 50

 

M72 (AP)

vaCKJpy.jpg

standard AP round used for the 75mm M3 gun in the sherman tank.
 

velocity ; 619 M/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG


 

PCOT 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

 

 

M61 (APCBC-HE)

E6tgxWa.jpg

Standard APHE rounds with balistic cap. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 618 m/SEC

weight: 6.79 KG

 

 

 

 

M48 (HE)

3aM5WSr.jpeg

Standard HE rounds. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 463 m/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG

explosive filler: 666 g

 

 

M89 (smoke)

aLX9iZE.png

standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

Velocity: 259 m/sec

Weight : 3 kg

Explosive filler :50 g

 

M64 (smoke)

wjAKAqx.png

standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

Velocity: 603 m/sec

Weight : 3 kg

Explosive filler :50 g

 

 

 

source

https://www.theshermantank.com/about/sherman-lee-and-variants-gun-data/75mm-m3-gun-information/

 

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M6 (American in french services)

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Weapon of type tank-gun. it was a development of the 75mm M3 by the American for their light tank.

 

the 75mm M6 was a light weight gun with short recoil for the American light tank developed in Rock Island from the 75mm T13E1. the gun have the same propriety of the 75mm M3 and use the same rounds. it utilize a T33 concentric recoil mechanism, which shortened the recoil length than the M3. introduced in 1943 with the production of the M24 just ordered, this gun was nearly only used by the Chaffee.

 

Weight: 186 kg

Magazine: none

barrel caliber : L/39.4

rounds size: 75x350R mm

Rate of fire: 8 to 10 rpm

effective range : 800m

 

 

 

used in vehicles

M24A1 Chaffee

AMX 13 M24 (currently in-game)

 

 

ammo

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M72 shot AP 91 88 78 67 57 49
M48 shell HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
M61 shot APCBC-HE 104 101 90 78 68 59
PCOT-40 APCBC 104 101 92 81 72 63
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M72 shot AP 619 6.3 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
M48 shell HE 463 6.3 0 0.1 666 79° 80° 81°
M61 shot APCBC 618 6.79 1.2 14 63.7 48° 63° 71°
PCOT-40 APCBC 625 6.41 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy time
(s)
Screen hold time
(s)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M89 259 3 13 5 20 50
M64 603 3 13 5 20 50

 

M72 (AP)

vaCKJpy.jpg

standard AP round used for the 75mm M3 gun in the sherman tank.
 

velocity ; 619 M/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG


 

PCOT 40 (APCBC)

rounds produced during WW2 to give a better penetration capacity to the 75mm Mle 1897 in services, this rounds was still produced during the 50s

 

Velocity: 625 m/sec

Weight : 6.41 kg

Explosive filler : none

 

 

 

 

M61 (APCBC-HE)

E6tgxWa.jpg

Standard APHE rounds with balistic cap. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 618 m/SEC

weight: 6.79 KG

 

 

 

 

M48 (HE)

3aM5WSr.jpeg

Standard HE rounds. this round was well spread in france but was meant to be used for the 75mm M3 from the sherman

 

velocity ; 463 m/SEC

weight: 6.3 KG

explosive filler: 666 g

 

 

M89 (smoke)

aLX9iZE.png

standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

Velocity: 259 m/sec

Weight : 3 kg

Explosive filler :50 g

 

M64 (smoke)

wjAKAqx.png

standard smoke round designed for the 75mm M3 gun.

 

Velocity: 603 m/sec

Weight : 3 kg

Explosive filler :50 g

 

 

 

source

https://www.theshermantank.com/about/sherman-lee-and-variants-gun-data/75mm-m3-gun-information/

 

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In the dev server it showed that the modèle 1916 shell of the 75mm of the FCM 2C only has 55mm of pen.

 

 

 

Given the infos in that post, perhaps a bug report would be in order ?

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9 hours ago, Arghail said:

 

In the dev server it showed that the modèle 1916 shell of the 75mm of the FCM 2C only has 55mm of pen.

 

 

 

Given the infos in that post, perhaps a bug report would be in order ?

The low penetration is because of the velocity been wrong.

 

the velocity of the 1897 is ranging from 525 to 615 with the different ammunition in services in 1940. there was also an experimental APDS available around that time

 

the choice of the mle 1916 is also kind of weird, this ammunition was only availble during WW1 and not available during most of the interwar period or WW2. the Char 2C was build in 1921 and was in services until 1940. that mean the tank should have access to almost all WW2 75mm rounds available for the 1897 gun.

 

By WW2 the standard anti-tank rounds was the Mle 1910 (same as the B1bis but with better velocity) and PCOT-40 which is the same projectile as the 75mm SA50 only with a cartridge for the 1897. the different cartride reduce the velocity to 615 m/sec which allow a penetration of about 100mm at short distance but it's a solid shot.

 

At 2.7 the gun in his current performence i going to be useless. here is 2 tank that can show how unbalance the Char 2C would be with a penetration of 50mm

 

Russian T-28 mod 1940

Better penetration (66 mm at 100m with APHE)

Better mobility (40 km/h with power-weight of 19 hp)

almost half the size

half the armour (20 to 30mm in exposed area)

main armament protected by the secondary turret

half the crew

full turret rotation

50% better turret speed

BR of 1.7

https://wiki.warthunder.com/T-28

 

Swedish Strv M/42 EH

Better penetration (60mm at 100m with APHE or 82mm at 100m with AP)

better mobility (42 km/h with power weight of 18 hp)

1/3 of the size (or even less)

Almost twice the armour (up to 50mm on the front and 30mm on the size well angled)

1/3 of the crew

full turret rotation

50% better turret speed

BR of 2.7

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Strv_m/42_EH

 

Char 2C

worse penetration (54mm at 100m will not allow to penetrate most targets)

worse mobility (15 km/h with power weight of 7 hp)

possibly the biggest tank of the game

armour of the light tank of his rank  (45mm flat at the front, 35mm for the turret, 22mm on the side)

12 men crew

main turret limited by about 70° on the rear

1/3 slower turret speed

BR of 2.7

 

 

Basically the T-28 mod 1940 will be a better choice on the battlefield in every situation in the current gameplay

 

if Gaijin plan to keep it at his BR, it need to be at least capable to engage a medium tank of his rank. right now it cannot even engage the fallowing vehicles and even on the weaker side, it will struggle because of the need to be at very close range and have no angle

 

M3 Lee (BR of 2.7) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

M3A1 Stuart (BR of 2.3)

M4A3 (105) (BR of 2.7) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

M4A1 (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

M4 (BR of 3.7) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

Pz.IV F1 (BR of 2.0)

Pz.IV F2 (BR of 3.3)

Pz.IV G (BR of 3.3)

Pz.III J (BR of 2.3)

Pz III J1 (BR of 2.7)

Pz.III L (BR of 3.0)

Pz.III M (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

Valentine I (BR of 2.3)* this tank is 100% immune to the Char 2C on all side and at any distance

Matilda III (BR of 2.7)* this tank is 100% immune to the Char 2C on all side and at any distance

Churchill I (BR of 3.3) * this tank is 100% immune to the Char 2C on all side and at any distance

Cromwell V (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

T-70 (BR of 2.0)

T-80 (Br of 2.3)

T-28E (BR of 2.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

T-50 (BR of 2.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

T-34 (1940) (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

Ho-I (BR of 2.0)

Chi-He (BR of 2.7)

Chi-Nu (BR of 3.3)

Ka-Chi (BR of 2.0)

M13/40 (I) (BR of 1.7)

M13/40 (II) (BR of 1.7)

M13/40 (III) (BR of 2.0)

M14/41 (BR of 2.0)

M15/42 (BR of 2.7)

Pz.III N (BR of 3.3)

P40 (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

M3A3 (BR of 3.3)

Strv m/42 EH (BR of 2.7)

 

there is to note that i simply didn't listed the SPG or the SPAA. and those are only the tanks that is going to be common on the battlefield which even if you manage to flank and get close to them without been see, you will still have little chance to kill. i didn't list any tanks that you have little or no chance to kill from the front even at a close range or the event vehicles. or even the French one (as you are less likely to face another french team)

basically about 70% of the encounter will be hard to take out. and each of them have better mobility and better firepower than the 2C.

 

as much i like the french, i would say to not even bother to play the Char 2C until they either lower the BR to 1.3 or 1.7 or before they give it the proper firepower. right now you will be a punching bag who cannot even punch back. it's  not like you had enough mobility to flank or a size to hide with the FCM 2C, you will always look like an sleeping giant that you can take out easily

 

but if you want to make a bug repport about it, you can use some of those source to ask those munition to be added

 

if you want to have source for report, here is a dozen secondary source which some are very credible and 5 primary sources. all match the velocity indicated in my chart (are close enough)

 

this document written by History commity that was studying the french archive

https://www.irsem.fr/data/files/irsem/documents/document/file/1641/Ouvrage_TAUZIN_Tome_9_Armenent_gros_calibre.pdf

i invite you to read the note 17 at the bottom of page 16, or just search for the word "PCO"

 

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000365

This website is having access to primary source. only available for members, but if you ask them precise question, they may show you the exact text.

 

http://canonde75modele1897.blogspot.com/p/les-munitions-du-canon-de-75.html

this website is presenting most the the ammunition used during WW1

 

https://www.vojsko.net/pozemni-technika/47-delostrelectvo/893-canon-de-75-mod-le-1897

or this polish website which confirm a velocity of 575 m/sec

 

https://stephentaylorhistorian.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/tm-9-305-75-mm-gun-materiel-m1897-and-modifications.pdf

this was about the American ammunition but the velocity still show 550 m/sec with essentially the same HE ammunition

 

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=117605

here is a rather complete list with details, but the sources can't be checked.

 

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AT_GUNS2.htm#75PstK9738

the Finish army seem to also have the correct velocity

 

https://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/2010/08/28/7-5-cm-pak-9738-antitank-gun-ex-french/

the American studied the German armament which included Captured 1897 guns

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_cm_Pak_97/38

the Wikipedia of the Captured gun seem to also have the correct velocity

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx3OnSe84qAxLTdvRFNTTXEwc0U/view?resourcekey=0-xDLWGFMv1mdbScj9S_WZ6A

here is a french studied about the WW2 guns, there is serial anti-tank ammunition for the 75mm (i believe it was a french student who wrote that)

 

https://www.tankarchives.ca/2017/11/frenchman-in-german-hands.html

this website have a few velocity which was correct

 

here is the German documents with details of all the ammunition they used, most of them was french and the velocity is indicated on the drawing (up-side-down) they also have the reduced charge and normal charges. all the normal velocity is 550 to 575 m/sec and it count as primary source.

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https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9606818k.r=canon 1897?rk=42918;4#

here is a primary source that state a velocity of 529 m/sec with 7.2 & 5.3 kg and a velocity of 290 m/sec at 3000m (probably for the Shrapnel and smoke)

 

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555928h.r=canon 75 1897?rk=557942;4

he is another primary source stating a velocity of 529 m/sec with sharpnel and 584 m/sec with HE rounds (unknown model of the rounds)

 

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555930k.r=canon 75 1897?rk=686698;4#

Against a primary source with Velocity of 529 m/sec with Sharpnel weighting 7.24 kg

 

Actually the only source that state a velocity of 500 m/sec is Wikipedia...

 

it is important to understand that the Shrapnel are the rounds that are the heaviest and have normal charge. while the 1916 is actually having an extra charge to improve the range (and velocity) that is why it got the name "Alongée" or "AL" which mean lengthened. beside ingame the current 1916 round is 0.25 kg lighter

 

i believe you have for times enough source for a bug repport here. but i do not have the capacity to do it myself.

 

@LeGrandSarrazin did i miss something?

 

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25 minutes ago, CaID said:

The low penetration is because of the velocity been wrong.

 

the velocity of the 1897 is ranging from 525 to 615 with the different ammunition in services in 1940. there was also an experimental APDS available around that time

 

the choice of the mle 1916 is also kind of weird, this ammunition was only availble during WW1 and not available during most of the interwar period or WW2. the Char 2C was build in 1921 and was in services until 1940. that mean the tank should have access to almost all WW2 75mm rounds available for the 1897 gun.

 

By WW2 the standard anti-tank rounds was the Mle 1910 (same as the B1bis but with better velocity) and PCOT-40 which is the same projectile as the 75mm SA50 only with a cartridge for the 1897. the different cartride reduce the velocity to 615 m/sec which allow a penetration of about 100mm at short distance but it's a solid shot.

 

At 2.7 the gun in his current performence i going to be useless. here is 2 tank that can show how unbalance the Char 2C would be with a penetration of 50mm

 

Russian T-28 mod 1940

Better penetration (66 mm at 100m with APHE)

Better mobility (40 km/h with power-weight of 19 hp)

almost half the size

half the armour (20 to 30mm in exposed area)

main armament protected by the secondary turret

half the crew

full turret rotation

50% better turret speed

BR of 1.7

https://wiki.warthunder.com/T-28

 

Swedish Strv M/42 EH

Better penetration (60mm at 100m with APHE or 82mm at 100m with AP)

better mobility (42 km/h with power weight of 18 hp)

1/3 of the size (or even less)

Almost twice the armour (up to 50mm on the front and 30mm on the size well angled)

1/3 of the crew

full turret rotation

50% better turret speed

BR of 2.7

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Strv_m/42_EH

 

Char 2C

worse penetration (54mm at 100m will not allow to penetrate most targets)

worse mobility (15 km/h with power weight of 7 hp)

possibly the biggest tank of the game

armour of the light tank of his rank  (45mm flat at the front, 35mm for the turret, 22mm on the side)

12 men crew

main turret limited by about 70° on the rear

1/3 slower turret speed

BR of 2.7

 

 

Basically the T-28 mod 1940 will be a better choice on the battlefield in every situation in the current gameplay

 

if Gaijin plan to keep it at his BR, it need to be at least capable to engage a medium tank of his rank. right now it cannot even engage the fallowing vehicles and even on the weaker side, it will struggle because of the need to be at very close range and have no angle

 

M3 Lee (BR of 2.7) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

M3A1 Stuart (BR of 2.3)

M4A3 (105) (BR of 2.7) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

M4A1 (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

M4 (BR of 3.7) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

Pz.IV F1 (BR of 2.0)

Pz.IV F2 (BR of 3.3)

Pz.IV G (BR of 3.3)

Pz.III J (BR of 2.3)

Pz III J1 (BR of 2.7)

Pz.III L (BR of 3.0)

Pz.III M (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

Valentine I (BR of 2.3)* this tank is 100% immune to the Char 2C on all side and at any distance

Matilda III (BR of 2.7)* this tank is 100% immune to the Char 2C on all side and at any distance

Churchill I (BR of 3.3) * this tank is 100% immune to the Char 2C on all side and at any distance

Cromwell V (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

T-70 (BR of 2.0)

T-80 (Br of 2.3)

T-28E (BR of 2.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

T-50 (BR of 2.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

T-34 (1940) (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

Ho-I (BR of 2.0)

Chi-He (BR of 2.7)

Chi-Nu (BR of 3.3)

Ka-Chi (BR of 2.0)

M13/40 (I) (BR of 1.7)

M13/40 (II) (BR of 1.7)

M13/40 (III) (BR of 2.0)

M14/41 (BR of 2.0)

M15/42 (BR of 2.7)

Pz.III N (BR of 3.3)

P40 (BR of 3.3) * this tank is almost totally immune to the char 2C

M3A3 (BR of 3.3)

Strv m/42 EH (BR of 2.7)

 

there is to note that i simply didn't listed the SPG or the SPAA. and those are only the tanks that is going to be common on the battlefield which even if you manage to flank and get close to them without been see, you will still have little chance to kill. i didn't list any tanks that you have little or no chance to kill from the front even at a close range or the event vehicles. or even the French one (as you are less likely to face another french team)

basically about 70% of the encounter will be hard to take out. and each of them have better mobility and better firepower than the 2C.

 

as much i like the french, i would say to not even bother to play the Char 2C until they either lower the BR to 1.3 or 1.7 or before they give it the proper firepower. right now you will be a punching bag who cannot even punch back. it's  not like you had enough mobility to flank or a size to hide with the FCM 2C, you will always look like an sleeping giant that you can take out easily

 

but if you want to make a bug repport about it, you can use some of those source to ask those munition to be added

 

if you want to have source for report, here is a dozen secondary source which some are very credible and 5 primary sources. all match the velocity indicated in my chart (are close enough)

 

this document written by History commity that was studying the french archive

https://www.irsem.fr/data/files/irsem/documents/document/file/1641/Ouvrage_TAUZIN_Tome_9_Armenent_gros_calibre.pdf

i invite you to read the note 17 at the bottom of page 16, or just search for the word "PCO"

 

https://wikimaginot.eu/V70_glossaire_detail.php?id=1000365

This website is having access to primary source. only available for members, but if you ask them precise question, they may show you the exact text.

 

http://canonde75modele1897.blogspot.com/p/les-munitions-du-canon-de-75.html

this website is presenting most the the ammunition used during WW1

 

https://www.vojsko.net/pozemni-technika/47-delostrelectvo/893-canon-de-75-mod-le-1897

or this polish website which confirm a velocity of 575 m/sec

 

https://stephentaylorhistorian.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/tm-9-305-75-mm-gun-materiel-m1897-and-modifications.pdf

this was about the American ammunition but the velocity still show 550 m/sec with essentially the same HE ammunition

 

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=117605

here is a rather complete list with details, but the sources can't be checked.

 

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AT_GUNS2.htm#75PstK9738

the Finish army seem to also have the correct velocity

 

https://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/2010/08/28/7-5-cm-pak-9738-antitank-gun-ex-french/

the American studied the German armament which included Captured 1897 guns

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_cm_Pak_97/38

the Wikipedia of the Captured gun seem to also have the correct velocity

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx3OnSe84qAxLTdvRFNTTXEwc0U/view?resourcekey=0-xDLWGFMv1mdbScj9S_WZ6A

here is a french studied about the WW2 guns, there is serial anti-tank ammunition for the 75mm (i believe it was a french student who wrote that)

 

https://www.tankarchives.ca/2017/11/frenchman-in-german-hands.html

this website have a few velocity which was correct

 

here is the German documents with details of all the ammunition they used, most of them was french and the velocity is indicated on the drawing (up-side-down) they also have the reduced charge and normal charges. all the normal velocity is 550 to 575 m/sec and it count as primary source.

Hide contents

 

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9606818k.r=canon 1897?rk=42918;4#

here is a primary source that state a velocity of 529 m/sec with 7.2 & 5.3 kg and a velocity of 290 m/sec at 3000m (probably for the Shrapnel and smoke)

 

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555928h.r=canon 75 1897?rk=557942;4

he is another primary source stating a velocity of 529 m/sec with sharpnel and 584 m/sec with HE rounds (unknown model of the rounds)

 

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555930k.r=canon 75 1897?rk=686698;4#

Against a primary source with Velocity of 529 m/sec with Sharpnel weighting 7.24 kg

 

Actually the only source that state a velocity of 500 m/sec is Wikipedia...

 

it is important to understand that the Shrapnel are the rounds that are the heaviest and have normal charge. while the 1916 is actually having an extra charge to improve the range (and velocity) that is why it got the name "Alongée" or "AL" which mean lengthened. beside ingame the current 1916 round is 0.25 kg lighter

 

i believe you have for times enough source for a bug repport here. but i do not have the capacity to do it myself.

 

@LeGrandSarrazin did i miss something?

 

 

Thanks for the explanations. So as I understand, the problem is not wrong pen but wrong ammo.

To be honest, I was just raising the problem, but I didn't intend to do the bug report myself since I'm not sure how to make one, and you and the members of your group seem to be far better informed than I on the subject, you can pinpoint the sources that matter easily IMO. 

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