Absolute nightmare that is stock ZTZ59D1

[FlyingGomunkul 67]

This thing is absolutely worthless in almost every way. Want to tank hits? GO TO HELL! Want to shoot someone? 5.9 d/sec turret rotation and one of, if not the the slowest reloading 105mm cannon (stock heat included, no APDS unlike on Leopards) GO TO HELL! Want to flank? GO.TO.HELL. Any task that you want to do you will fail because of how horrible this tank is stock. I had a blast playing the premium T-69 llG, but thats because it comes with all bells and whistles like other premium tanks, and now playing ZTZ59D1 is like a betrayal.

I suggest that ZTZ59D1 has to go to 8.3 just because of how garbage its turret rotation speed is. It is an insult.

While we are at it, the "new" ZTZ88A should also go to 8.3. It is merely a sidegrade to T-69 llG. It is a little bit faster but far less armored.

The Chinese vehicle insider or whoever got booted was a nice decision, but these little details are very bad. You cannot stack MBT upon MBT while the vehicles in the tree rot because of how useless they are compared to their enemies. What can a ZTZ59D1 do to a, lets say, AGS that is hulldown? Or to a Merkava? Or any tank with even the weakest ERA while you are stock?

Edited July 16, 2022 by FlyingGomunkul

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

The main issue I see at 8.7; it's a hellscape BR, TAM spam is annoying to deal with and uptiers are just brutal with BMP-2M/Begeitpanzer/PUMA/XM8/AGS and assorted premiums (Leo L44/Merk/TURMS/CR1 DS) running around.

 

59D1 could easily be 8.3, along with the PTZ89 if Gaijin isn't going to address the entire 8.0 - 10.0 BR spread. The 88A is a pretty good 8.7, I'd play it more but the BR is just **** to play rn.

Edited July 17, 2022 by llSolitairell@psn

[CakeJuniorMan 176]

Yeah when I had to go through the painful stock grind a year ago for this tank, it was an absolute nightmare ever since when I first played this thing. You would constantly get up-tiered when playing 8.7. Don’t worry I am sure that you won’t have to go through the painful grind after when you get the sabot round. Good luck!

[FlyingGomunkul 67]

17 hours ago, llSolitairell@psn said:

The main issue I see at 8.7; it's a hellscape BR, TAM spam is annoying to deal with and uptiers are just brutal with BMP-2M/Begeitpanzer/PUMA/XM8/AGS and assorted premiums (Leo L44/Merk/TURMS/CR1 DS) running around.

 

59D1 could easily be 8.3, along with the PTZ89 if Gaijin isn't going to address the entire 8.0 - 10.0 BR spread. The 88A is a pretty good 8.7, I'd play it more but the BR is just **** to play rn.

If we look at it, ZTZ88A is 8.3 material. It is merely a sidegrade to T69llG while being definetly worse than T-62M1

[Clangokkuner 253]

the 88A is amazing and works even in 10.0

[FlyingGomunkul 67]

2 hours ago, Clangokkuner said:

the 88A is amazing and works even in 10.0

That is not the point. Anything can work at 10.0 if it has a stabilized gun and normal ammunition, even the Centurion mk10.

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

14 hours ago, FlyingGomunkul said:

If we look at it, ZTZ88A is 8.3 material. It is merely a sidegrade to T69llG while being definetly worse than T-62M1

 

Is it? The T-62M is hobbled with a long reload for the tier, the 88A is not and is faster, the only benefits of the T-62M is the overkill round and better turret armour that doesn't matter with all the APFSDS flying around.

 

3 hours ago, Clangokkuner said:

the 88A is amazing and works even in 10.0

 

PTL02 works better at that point.

[CakeJuniorMan 176]

6 hours ago, llSolitairell@psn said:

 

Is it? The T-62M is hobbled with a long reload for the tier, the 88A is not and is faster, the only benefits of the T-62M is the overkill round and better turret armour that doesn't matter with all the APFSDS flying around.

 

 

PTL02 works better at that point.

Also the PTZ89 and maybe the ZLT11 in the opinion. 

[pakmonkey 178]

On 16/07/2022 at 12:25, FlyingGomunkul said:

This thing is absolutely worthless in almost every way. Want to tank hits? GO TO HELL! Want to shoot someone? 5.9 d/sec turret rotation and one of, if not the the slowest reloading 105mm cannon (stock heat included, no APDS unlike on Leopards) GO TO HELL! Want to flank? GO.TO.HELL. Any task that you want to do you will fail because of how horrible this tank is stock. I had a blast playing the premium T-69 llG, but thats because it comes with all bells and whistles like other premium tanks, and now playing ZTZ59D1 is like a betrayal.

I suggest that ZTZ59D1 has to go to 8.3 just because of how garbage its turret rotation speed is. It is an insult.

Now that the t-69 g is is 8.3, there is absolutely no reason for the type 59d1 not to also be.

The ztz 88a should probably stay 8.7 though. It's comparable it to the leopard a1a1 

[somebody_Else 776]

On 20/07/2022 at 09:08, pakmonkey said:

Now that the t-69 g is is 8.3, there is absolutely no reason for the type 59d1 not to also be.

The ztz 88a should probably stay 8.7 though. It's comparable it to the leopard a1a1 

 

The 59D1 is exceptional at 8.7, doesn't need moving down.

[pakmonkey 178]

12 hours ago, somebody_Else said:

 

The 59D1 is exceptional at 8.7, doesn't need moving down.

Slow? Check

Poor gun handling? Check

Garbage armor? Check

Only thing going for it is thermals and apfsds. Despite having thermals, it's far worse off than the t-69 g II was at 8.7. Everything about it is worse other than having thermals

[somebody_Else 776]

9 hours ago, pakmonkey said:

Slow? Check

Poor gun handling? Check

Garbage armor? Check

Only thing going for it is thermals and apfsds. Despite having thermals, it's far worse off than the t-69 g II was at 8.7. Everything about it is worse other than having thermals

 

Its a fantastic long range tank, great optics and thermals with a great shell. 100% perfect at 8.7.

 

The whole 8.7 lineup is superb, the ZTZ88A for a balanced all-round tank, ZTZ59D1 for sniping, PTZ89 for holding sight lines, PTL02/WMA301 for flanking and scouting and PGZ09/WZ305 for AA.

 

Plus the CM25 and M60A3 TTS to swap in by personal preference.

 

With the H5, F-84G and F-86 for CAS and air support, its a fantastic lineup.

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

On 23/07/2022 at 06:55, somebody_Else said:

The whole 8.7 lineup is superb, the ZTZ88A for a balanced all-round tank, ZTZ59D1 for sniping, PTZ89 for holding sight lines, PTL02/WMA301 for flanking and scouting and PGZ09/WZ305 for AA.

 

Why would you choose the 59D1 for sniping when you have the PTL or WMA

 

the wheelie bois make the 59D1 and to a large extent the PTZ89 obsolete.

[somebody_Else 776]

23 minutes ago, llSolitairell@psn said:

Why would you choose the 59D1 for sniping when you have the PTL or WMA

 

You can use both, you're not just limited to one or the other.

 

Unless you plan on dumping your team after 1 death, there's no such thing as "obsolete" in a lineup.

[Exe_Smells 3]

On 17/07/2022 at 14:52, FlyingGomunkul said:

If we look at it, ZTZ88A is 8.3 material. It is merely a sidegrade to T69llG while being definetly worse than T-62M1

The t-62 and ztz88a are not objectively better from each other. the t-62's reload is a lot slower compared to the ztz88 (12.0 vs 9.7 base. It is due to the fact that the ztz88 is using a licensed-built version of the L7, making them fire lighter rounds in an overall smaller breach) and the t-62 is slower than the ztz88 by quite a bit, in terms of turret traverse and overall mobility ( reverse speed is basically the same though), although that results in the ztz88 having less armor than the t-62/M-1, which doesn't really matter when the average western mbt has less armor than it. Yeah, the ztz88 doesn't have thermals, but neither do some, or even most of the mbts in the same br have such feature.

 

I know you didn't ask for a T-62 comparison(even though now i realized that you did), but even comparing it to the t-69IIg or a t-55am-1, it is still more mobile than all of them in every way, and it can fire a dart which is better than dm23 in terms of velocity and penetration, which still makes the ztz88 competitive at 8.7.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Exe_Smells

[BrokenRifle 71]

Problem with the 59D1. terrible turret traverse, mobility is not great. if im not mistaken its a beefed up T-54 which would explain the terrible turret traverse. so a T54.. at 8.7.. the only thing it has going for it is the dart and the thermals i use the T-69IIG instead of it in my 8.7 lineup it may be 8.3 but its better in every way.

 

Since the ZTZ88A is being brought up its not even remotely on the level of the 88A even tho it shares BR. the 88A is actually really good. great mobility even turns on the spot really quick has 8.9 reverse which is still not amazing but still 1.4kph faster. and for some reason its being compared to the 62M? in my personal opinion the ZTZ88A is better in everything outside of the turret armor, since the 62m gets those cheeks. the dart is also slightly better in terms of pen on the 62m but not a difference that really matters. Mobility/much better reload/Turret traverse/hull traverse/and slightly better reverse speed. is on the ZTZ88A's and imo a better line up as well. Chinese 8.7 is a sweet line up. Personally wouldnt bother with the 59D1.

[_Wienerslinky_ 128]

On 17/07/2022 at 03:21, llSolitairell@psn said:

The main issue I see at 8.7; it's a hellscape BR, TAM spam is annoying to deal with and uptiers are just brutal with BMP-2M/Begeitpanzer/PUMA/XM8/AGS and assorted premiums (Leo L44/Merk/TURMS/CR1 DS) running around.

 

59D1 could easily be 8.3, along with the PTZ89 if Gaijin isn't going to address the entire 8.0 - 10.0 BR spread. The 88A is a pretty good 8.7, I'd play it more but the BR is just **** to play rn.

i would give my left nut for the PTZ89 being 8.3...