MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) This has been updated specifically for Air RB as part of a more comprehensive guide: Air RB Performance Guide - Master Thread: Air RB - Performance Guide - Master Thread - Air Battles - War Thunder - Official For Edited February 1, 2023 by MOBB syndrome23 (Posted August 30, 2022) Moved to correct section 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) This has been updated specifically for Air RB as part of a more comprehensive guide: Air RB Performance Guide - Master Thread: Air RB - Performance Guide - Master Thread - Air Battles - War Thunder - Official For Edited February 1, 2023 by MOBB 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostmaxi 873 Report post Posted August 8, 2022 Can you do one for the Ju 87s? I really like the D-3 and D-5 but even using the WEP shortly results in increased temperature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted August 12, 2022 Your not wrong, the plane overheats bad due to the radiator being mismanaged and is easily fixed with a single set and forget MEC setting for the most part. Just taking a quick look there is a lot of room for improvement. I will have the improved settings posted here tomorrow at the latest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted August 14, 2022 I've finished testing the Ju 87's (D-3 and D-5) and the results were surprising. Both planes are vastly improved in performance after mec settings were applied. I'm going to put it in a format that is going to highlight that better with a side by side comparison on here tomorrow. I wasnt expecting this to be so interesting but it was so it took longer than expected. I will post the results here when finished tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) Update: - I have started to include altitudes where engine output starts to decrease in the chart and more specifically in the plane description. In the chart it will show as a:< or > to signify that the decrease starts within 500M above or below the marked altitude, to help quickly identify altitude differences between aircraft. >> after 7000M will signify that the engine output starts to decrease above 8000M. The more precise value will be in the plane description. For example in the chart below, Ju 87 D's both start to lose engine output at 5300M while traveling 230kph. the chart is marked just after 5000M climb time to signify that. Ju-87 D-3, Ju-87 D-5: I was recently made aware of an issue with Ju-87 D-3,D-5 and overheating when using WEP. Upon closer examination some issues were discovered. When using 100% throttle, the radiator is set approx. 10c/10c too low resulting in the radiator being open too much creating a lot of excessive drag. When using WEP, the radiator closes completely turning the engine red almost instantly, if WEP climbing at start the engine will start to suffer damage at approx. 1500M on a moderate map. Ju 87 D-3, Ju 87 D-5: These planes benefit from MEC over AEC overall. AEC mismanages radiator, trying to maintain 96/96 degrees at 100% throttle when limit should be 107/107, creating a lot of drag When using WEP the Radiator closes completely causing a heat spike in the Engine turning the engine red almost instantly. Using AEC and climbing more than the first 1000M will generally start to cause engine damage. Prop85 is best all around for mitigating heat and performance. There is no benefit in going higher than Prop90 below 5200M. The differences between Prop85 and Prop90 are minor, Prop 85 has better performance using WEP. Has airbrake. Engine output decrease 5300M. Here are a few cooling/performance options for: Ju 87 D-3: AEC:356/MEC:360/0Rad:364 Infi -WEP settings (best overall) Prop85 with Rad28/42 @1000M = 360WEP Kph (Rad40/70 Hot), (Rad-14/18 Cold) Up to 5500M then switch to Prop100. ( NO OVERHEATING) Minimum cooling settings (not ideal): Prop85 with Rad6/6 @1000M = 339/363WEP Kph (Rad8/8 Hot), (Rad-0/0 Cold). Up to 5200M then switch to Prop100 . (Minimum cooling, Overheats with WEP) Ju 87 D-5: AEC:349/MEC:351/0Rad:356 Infi -WEP settings (best overall) Prop85 with Rad28/42 @1000M = 351WEP Kph (Rad40/70 Hot), (Rad-14/18 Cold) Up to 5500M then switch to Prop100 . ( NO OVERHEATING) Minimum cooling settings (not ideal): Prop85 with Rad6/6 @1000M = 332/355WEP Kph (Rad8/8 Hot), (Rad-0/0 Cold). Up to 5200M then switch to Prop100. (Minimum cooling, Overheats with WEP) Gun Pods effect on performance: 7.92 mm: +13sec climb -10/-14Kph @1000M 20 mm: +27sec climb -7/-10Kph @1000M Edited August 14, 2022 by MOBB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) Here is a link for setting up MEC controls. Manual Engine Control / MEC - Guide: Manual Engine Control / MEC - Guide - Air Battles - War Thunder - Official Forum Edited February 1, 2023 by MOBB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 I will be posting the updated performance chart tomorrow. The findings during testing were pretty significant and immediately applicable to tactics and gameplay. Some of the changes are: - added Engine Output Decrease Altitude markers on the climb portion of the chart. - added Italian props and jets from BR 2.7-9.3. - Testing methodology on how to find Engine Output Decrease Altitude of aircraft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) Update: The Italian tree is finally done. I took a little extra time to dial in some MEC settings that really help these planes perform better. Overall, many Italian planes performed better overall using Prop Pitch 90 mitigating the overheating for the most part. There are a few stand out aircraft in my mind that I will definitely be flying in game regularly. In addition, I added detailed MEC settings for Japan. Gun pods can be a personal preference for Bf 109s, effects on performance have been added under the planes description. Also, added the altitude where engine horsepower begins to drop for each aircraft. The difference 500M can make on performance was substantial, going even further past it by 1000M is crippling for almost all aircraft. The effects were similar to cutting throttle by 10-15% on average. I will post an example of how much horsepower is affected by altitude and superchargers and how it can easily be exploited for an advantage. You can see below that the effects are similar regardless of nation. Gun pods have always been a personal preference for Bf 109s, effects on performance have been added under the planes description. With that out of the way, here's a brief summary of what has been added. Additions/Changes: - added Engine Output Decrease Altitude markers on the climb portion of the chart. - added Italian props and jets from BR 2.7-9.3. - added detailed MEC settings including Infi-WEP for Japan and Italy in plane descriptions. - added effects of gun pods for Bf 109s. - Testing methodology on how to find Engine Output Decrease Altitude of aircraft. Edited August 26, 2022 by MOBB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted August 26, 2022 added Engine output decrease effect chart in above post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted September 2, 2022 Updated chart for Hp drop off altitude for German 109 and 190 tree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted October 30, 2022 Just wanted to give an update on things. I will be posting an updated chart of USA aircraft. USA was a very complex nation and I wanted to further refine the settings using MEC. The P51,P38, F4U and F6F now have bettter settings that not only keep the engine from melting but even better performance I also added both P61s which benefit from MEC alot. As for jets I added the F3H-2 and the F4D-1. I will give a more detailed update of things to come but generally, I will be looking at all MEC settings for each nation and improving or adding MEC options. USA will post by end of day tommorow. I will then finish up germany and then ussr. British, japan and italy are already pretty detailed but I will look at them again. I've been a little short on time lately but that should clear up in the next couple of weeks. I've been gathering parts for a new PC build (waiting on 4090 still...) I've also been tinkering with a new Quest Pro VR headset (expensive but amazing) and finally I've been finalizing my flight sim, space sim hardware setup. I'll give my thoughts on the headset and hotas setups I've set up in another post. Best, MOBB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted October 31, 2022 Just finishing up the final charts for posting on the forums. Of course at the last minute I'm considering adding a column for engine mixture. Mixture basically never needs to be changed from default setting except for very few aircraft. While it only really applies to a few planes here or there, it is the most common question I get as to where the mixture setting is. Adding a column for it is simple and would avoid people missing mixture settings for planes like all the P47's. This added column means I will need another day to finish up the chart and post it. Thanks for your patience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) USA Updated Chart format 30-10-22: USA - Fighter Tree Analysis / Performance Guide - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum Clearer chart format regarding AEC and MEC. Better explanation of Legend/Terms including better explanation of Horsepower Drop off altitude markers. Added mixture settings to chart, If there is a "-" symbol, that means use default mixture no need to adjust. If there is a different value, it will be clearly stated as a percentage number. Added detailed MEC settings including Infi-WEP in plane descriptions. Added gun pod effects to certain aircraft. USA chart updated 30-10-22: Added P-61-A and P-61C-1 to chart. Added F3H-2, F4D-1 to jet chart. All P38s have new updated and improved MEC settings. P51C, D and H have new updated and improved MEC settings. All F4U's have new updated and improved MEC settings. All F6Fs have new updated and improved MEC settings. F8Fs Have gunpod flight performance effects in description. All P47s have better refined MEC settings regarding altitude adjustments. P47M, P47N have better InfiWEP settings. Let me know what you guys think of the new format with MEC on the far right and included mixture settings. I added mixture because it was too easy to miss in the previous format. I will be updating all the nations in the following order, Germany, Russia, Britain, Japan and Italy. I will then do the French tree. I've been trying to determine where to stop as far as BR rating goes and I think I will stop at 9.7 for jets as things stand. Germany should be up in the next few days unless life gets in the way. Edited November 2, 2022 by MOBB 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) Quick update: I so far have overhauled the chart to be specific to Air RB settings, more clear in what is AEC and MEC. I would consider this to be version 3.0 of these charts I've done. I'm hoping its clear and easy to read and better yet, useful in combat. I'm still working on the layout but I thought I would show an example and welcome any feedback or questions. I am currently debating whether to use the large space on the right by each aircraft to show the altitude where the Engine Hp drops. Heres a preview of what is to come: Edited November 6, 2022 by MOBB 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) Update: The new format that will be specific to Air RB is pretty much done. So far USA is finished, I'm working on Germany. Some new aircraft will be added but that is not what this version is really about. This will be a more comprehensive guide regarding specifically Air RB, including: - Redone performance guide - more options and explanations of what does what. - Redone performance chart - more information packed in somehow including hp drop off alt. completely seperate AEC and MEC portions. If you dont use MEC this can be used as a general guide for AEC. - Maps listed by air temperature making selecting radiator settings even easier. - In game mechanics guide: air temp affects, drag, prop pitch, super chargers. How those things affect aircraft and how to manage them. The map guide I'm hoping will really help in game. Some maps have snow but are actually Moderate and some have grass and are actually cold. this map list should make it much simpler to configure aircraft radiators. Also, the new performance guide and settings will give more clear options for configuring your aircraft including gun pods if you so choose. Ill just say that the guide will be done when its done at this point. I think I might post one nation at a time as I finish them but before that the Map guide needs to be finished and the game mechanics guide also since they tie into the whole thing. The performance guide itself will tie all that together. Well, back at it Best, Mobb. Edited November 15, 2022 by MOBB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Update: Finally finished building new computer. Fan curve is set and everything is ready to start work on this project again. I've already started on the Russian tree and more map temperatures. As for the new computer build with a couple of pics. psu: Corsair axi 1600watt MB: Asus z790 maximus hero Fans: Phanteks T30 120mm fans cpu: 13900k cpu cooler: EK 360mm Aio basic (No rgb puke) ram: 64Gig of corsair ddr5 5600 Gfx: Msi 4090 Suprim liquid ssd: x2 Samsung 2Tb 990 pro's . Edited December 7, 2022 by MOBB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Bel_V 4,790 Report post Posted December 23, 2022 Can you add French TT in your analysis? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeNo_MS 489 Report post Posted January 31, 2023 On 31/07/2022 at 15:05, MOBB said: Nations: USA Fighters: USA - Fighter Tree Analysis / Performance Guide - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum Germany Fighters: Germany - Fighter Tree Analysis / Performance Guide - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum USSR Fighters: USSR - Fighter Tree Analysis / Performance Guide - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum British Fighters: British - Fighter Tree Analysis / Performance Guide - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum Japan Fighters: Japan - Fighter Tree Analysis / Performance Guide - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum Italy Fighters: Italy - Fighter Tree Analysis / Performance Guide - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum P47(ALL) Analysis/Chart: P47(All) - Analysis / Performance Guide - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum Main page: Aircraft Analysis / Performance Guide. - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum Testing Methodology/Concepts/Observations: Testing Methodology / Concepts Observations - Realistic Battle Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum and the israeli fighters where? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBB 1,354 Report post Posted January 31, 2023 they arent. btw, this has all been updated for realistic battles in a better overall guide specific to that here: Air RB - Performance Guide - Master Thread - Air Battles - War Thunder - Official Forum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostmaxi 873 Report post Posted March 16, 2023 Wasnt there once again a Fw 190 FM update? How does it perform now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
