Minor nations that could be added to the German air tree to breech the gap between Mig-29 to the Eurofighter

[BagelIsMyWaifu 838]

On 29/08/2022 at 17:28, Faster_Boiiiii said:

the DA1 was later fitted with EJ200s so that could technically be an upgrade worth considering but the performance of those is kinda ridiculous so maybe not the best idea.

The DA1 not having the EJ200 is the entire reason I suggested it in the first place. It would atleast somewhat bridge the gap to the true Eurofighters thanks to its worse flight perfomance and weaponry (AIM-9L and AIM-120A/B instead of IRIS, AIM-120C and Meteor).

If there have to be some small historical inaccuracies in regards to countermeasures and mounting a gun, honestly in my opinion thats fine. The game has seen far worse

 

On 29/08/2022 at 17:28, Faster_Boiiiii said:

however..... i cannot find any information regarding a second pair of flare launchers. everything that i can find say that there are only 2 flare dispensers(one in each inboard flaperon actuator fairing) and 2 chaff launchers on the integrated tip stub pylon launchers (ITSPL, the outermost rails only used for short range IR missiles). thus, gaijin would have to ahistorically add flare and chaff launchers(idk if chaff launchers are on the DA1 but i dont think so due to the lack of flare launchers) to make it competitive(viggen situation all over again but a top tier aircraft is NOT competitive without countermeasures).

The chaff launchers can also launch flares. But I did some more digging and it seems they werent mounted either

[_Iluminas_ 3,769]

About the PIRATE system looks like there are some as i have found this

Spoiler

 

[BagelIsMyWaifu 838]

Yep, the 98+XX Typhoons are the only German ones equipped with Pirate, they all belong to the WTD 61

[MaggyYolokrau1 135]

13 hours ago, DirectSupport said:

Germany should have some advantages and disadvantages. In the same way that Japan has the same issue where it is stuck with the EJ Kai until F-15/16s come, that is historical. You should be incentivized to play a different country that would have a proper future line-up. Frankly, it's kinda your fault for grinding German air tree if you knew a little about history and also had known that Germany wouldn't be that fun to play going into the future.

 

what?

so only two nations get to have fun? 

you know that you just killing that game with that sentiment, you need players to fill top tier. Same reason why i want Korean added to Japan it makes the nation way more completive and fun.

Besides that i was well aware about that and that's the reason why i finally made the thread to address this, but then i have people like you that some how cant deuce that out of the threads topic. 

Iv gotten now more comments crying about how you don't get another aircraft and the Eurofighter Prototype (witch i appreciate its interesting reading up on it) but pleas if you don't have anything else to say waist your time some where else.

[Faster_Boiiiii 753]

11 hours ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said:

The DA1 not having the EJ200 is the entire reason I suggested it in the first place. It would atleast somewhat bridge the gap to the true Eurofighters thanks to its worse flight perfomance and weaponry (AIM-9L and AIM-120A/B instead of IRIS, AIM-120C and Meteor).

If there have to be some small historical inaccuracies in regards to countermeasures and mounting a gun, honestly in my opinion thats fine. The game has seen far worse

 

The chaff launchers can also launch flares. But I did some more digging and it seems they werent mounted either

tbf it wouldn't be the first time that gaijin would add multiple ahistorical things... cough cough f-5c cough cough

[Lord_Prism 1,827]

Alternatively, we could see argentinian planes come into the German TT

[MaggyYolokrau1 135]

On 09/09/2022 at 03:09, Lord_Prism said:

Alternatively, we could see argentinian planes come into the German TT

 

okay and what kind of 4 gen do they have?

[Lord_Prism 1,827]

2 hours ago, MaggyYolokrau1 said:

 

okay and what kind of 4 gen do they have?

Upgraded A-4 skyhawks, but those are gen 3.5 or lower. If you want Gen 4 then perhaps a Swiss/Austrian/Netherlands subtree would be better, given the Swiss used an F-18C, and the Netherlands used F-16s

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

On 31/08/2022 at 11:42, MaggyYolokrau1 said:

 

what?

so only two nations get to have fun? 

you know that you just killing that game with that sentiment, you need players to fill top tier. Same reason why i want Korean added to Japan it makes the nation way more completive and fun.

Besides that i was well aware about that and that's the reason why i finally made the thread to address this, but then i have people like you that some how cant deuce that out of the threads topic. 

Iv gotten now more comments crying about how you don't get another aircraft and the Eurofighter Prototype (witch i appreciate its interesting reading up on it) but pleas if you don't have anything else to say waist your time some where else.

That's is,... troubling on some point, and great for others,...

 

Historically, it's possible, but not really friendly,... Korea have been invaded in 1910,... until liberated by Japan surrender in 1945.

 

The problem is mostly there,... since that historical part of history, South Korea and Japan are much more friendly one to another (not gonna say that it is great love story, that would be unrealistic).

 

Apart from history, the interest would be to Fill Japan with different aircrafts than US.Made/derivated aircrafts.

 

As to add South Korean made aircrafts in the game.

 

In current state, i feel like both community sides of those country needs to be called on a vote.

[MaggyYolokrau1 135]

1 hour ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

 

In current state, i feel like both community sides of those country needs to be called on a vote.

 

this will probably be the most uncontroversial solution besides pulling a China and just throwing them together. 

but i really think politics are misplace in war thunder and should be largely ignored for the benefit of the game. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by MaggyYolokrau1

[MaggyYolokrau1 135]

1 hour ago, Lord_Prism said:

Upgraded A-4 skyhawks, but those are gen 3.5 or lower. If you want Gen 4 then perhaps a Swiss/Austrian/Netherlands subtree would be better, given the Swiss used an F-18C, and the Netherlands used F-16s

 

Agreed, Netherlands was my proposal to since it would fit quit well.
You could also add Poland since the mig-29Gs were sold to them and if they got upgrade, it would be faith full continuation of the Mig line. But idk if they got Upgrade (afaik they didn't).

Swiss would be also great but you would have to fight the French over that.  

Edited January 16, 2023 by MaggyYolokrau1

[Lord_Prism 1,827]

38 minutes ago, MaggyYolokrau1 said:

 

Agreed, Netherlands was my proposal to since it would fit quit well.
You could also add Poland since the mig-29Gs were sold to them and if they got upgrade, it would be faith full continuation of the Mig line. But idk if they got Upgrade (afaik they didn't).

Swiss would be also great but you would have to fight the French over that.  

Sadly for the French, Switzerland uses a lot of german equipment and is a majority German speaking country

[_Iluminas_ 3,769]

43 minutes ago, MaggyYolokrau1 said:

 

Agreed, Netherlands was my proposal to since it would fit quit well.
You could also add Poland since the mig-29Gs were sold to them and if they got upgrade, it would be faith full continuation of the Mig line. But idk if they got Upgrade (afaik they didn't).

Swiss would be also great but you would have to fight the French over that.  

didnt poland integrate Aim9 amram and harm on Mig29

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

4 hours ago, MaggyYolokrau1 said:

 

this will probably be the most uncontroversial solution besides pulling a China and just throwing them together. 

but i really think politics are misplace in war thunder and should be largely ignored for the benefit of the game. 

Those are more about cultural issues than politics,... ^^"

 

What if Korean people do not appreciate this or the same from japanese ? This can become very wrong,... and the only thing that will loose from it is the game itself.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Cpt_Bel_V

[ARK_BOI 810]

Bruh can Ger just had enough of GDR fighter already? F4F ICE are better  choice than mig 29 for German

[MaggyYolokrau1 135]

9 hours ago, _Iluminas_ said:

didnt poland integrate Aim9 amram and harm on Mig29

 

i have no idea, i could find anything about them only articles on how they are going to be send Ukraine. 

 

[Thodin 6,784]

SInce China and Sweden f.e. get foreign vehicles via subtree import, I guess it could be possible for all nations. Ingame Sweden is operating tanks and planes it historically never had nor developed. So Gajin could just say nation xy now belongs via subtree to Germany and they get their F-16's or whatever. 

Edited January 18, 2023 by Thodin

[Thodin 6,784]

On 17/01/2023 at 07:21, MaggyYolokrau1 said:

 

i have no idea, i could find anything about them only articles on how they are going to be send Ukraine. 

 

 

The integrated HARM for the UKR Mig-29's. But Amraam?

[_Iluminas_ 3,769]

ah here found what i meant AIM9 and also possible AIM120 on Mig29 its just a suggestion paper

https://docplayer.net/64886816-Applying-aim-9x-on-mig-29-initial-analysis-of-mig-29-weapon-system-modernizations.html

[Evo3s 55]

On 16/01/2023 at 18:44, Lord_Prism said:

Upgraded A-4 skyhawks, but those are gen 3.5 or lower. If you want Gen 4 then perhaps a Swiss/Austrian/Netherlands subtree would be better, given the Swiss used an F-18C, and the Netherlands used F-16s

Agreed, put Germanic countries into Germany as subtrees. Countries like Netherlands (which work close together with Germany anyways), Austria and Switzerland.

 

Would make the later part of the air tree a lot less empty with F-16's, F-18's, F-5's and Mirage's (and Fokker F-104's!)

 

We could with that also see some more ground vehicles added like the PRTL Cheetah, Pz 61 and such

[mr_boo 235]

1 hour ago, Evo3s said:

Agreed, put Germanic countries into Germany as subtrees. Countries like Netherlands (which work close together with Germany anyways), Austria and Switzerland.

 

Would make the later part of the air tree a lot less empty with F-16's, F-18's, F-5's and Mirage's (and Fokker F-104's!)

 

We could with that also see some more ground vehicles added like the PRTL Cheetah, Pz 61 and such

adding the netherlands to germany is a terrible idea, all of the fokker designs would go to waste just for the sake of an F-16 and another F-104

Edited January 20, 2023 by mr_boo

[Chris4win 366]

48 minutes ago, mr_boo said:

adding the netherlands to germany is a terrible idea, all of the fokker designs would go to waste just for the sake of an F-16 and another F-104

A dutch subtree would be nice if ww1 planes would come to warthunder. A fokker line starting off with ww1 planes like the famous fokker dr.1 would be awesome and fokker was a german company till the treaty of versailles. Fokker was then relocated to the netherlands.

 

For ground vehicles it would make more sense since there is recently a close cooperation between the dutch and german military and they did develope the fennek and boxer together.

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Chris4win

[mr_boo 235]

14 minutes ago, Chris4win said:

A dutch subtree would be nice if ww1 planes would come to warthunder. A fokker line starting off with ww1 planes like the famous fokker dr.1 would be awesome and fokker was a german company till the treaty of versailles. Fokker was then relocated to the netherlands.

 

For ground vehicles it would make more sense since there is recently a close cooperation between the dutch and german military and they did develope the fennek and boxer together.

 

Germany does not need a subtree, though

[thefighter3 14]

The netherlands in germany would be a waste for a potential good and unique benelux tree, being unique in being an actual union of multiple countries.

 

And germany definitely doesn't need more planes, and again, wasting an entire potential tree for a single f-16 is really sad. Especially if it's just a sad line in a tree that doesn't need it.

Edited January 20, 2023 by thefighter3

[Chris4win 366]

1 hour ago, mr_boo said:

Germany does not need a subtree, though

This topic was about top tier planes which germany is lacking. Netherlands doesn´t have that many unique planes either. I doubt that there is a benelux tree in the near future, because there are nations like Yugoslavia, switzerland and korea which have more unique planes and tanks. It would take at take at least 3 years for a benelux tech tree. You guys expect to much. I am only in favor if ww1 planes come like I explained. Argentinian planes have with engineers like kurt tank more connection to germany

17 minutes ago, thefighter3 said:

The netherlands in germany would be a waste for a potential good and unique benelux tree, being unique in being an actual union of multiple countries.

 

And germany definitely doesn't need more planes, and again, wasting an entire potential tree for a single f-16 is really sad. Especially if it's just a sad line in a tree that doesn't need it.

see comment above

Edited January 20, 2023 by Chris4win