Korean Subtree to Japanese Techtree, would it be a good idea?

[WorldLiberation 48]

Currently Japan has no CAS nor end-game tanks 11.0 line-up making new Japanese premium vehicles less attractive.

Would the best solution to add the Corean Peninsular  tanks and planes to the Japanese tree?

This way we could have Pegasus and Storm tanks + M1 Rip-off and Leopard 2A6 Rip-off to 11.0 and have at least a 3-tank-line-up for one tree.

What do you think? Would it be a good idea?

[VF21_Freelancers 1,404]

Probably, no.

 

I don't care where they are placed, but as the Korean players have done several times on the topic of the suggestion, riots are bound to happen.

Edited October 14, 2022 by NoBombersInJetRB

[GildyMenn21 285]

The answer on your question can be easily found throughout the community. 
Korea will simply not be fused to Japan for multiple reasons, not mentioned thats somebody already made a suggestion and it backfired. 

 

5 hours ago, WorldLiberation said:

Easy to solve, rename the Japanese techtree in Korean localization to Korean Cosmos Unification (대한성운은하제국) Tree. And then release at least 4 Made-in-Korea premium vehicles per rank on the Major Update the sub-tree is released. 

I doubt that still will change things, it’s still being fused and is under the Japanese flag like i said before Korea won’t be part of the Japanese Tech Tree. 

[Godvana 533]

Honestly, Korea has more potential as a tech tree than Japan, since Japan is forbidden from exporting arms there is no incentive for them to develop them outside of domestic use.

[Xermaz 73]

36 minutes ago, Godvana said:

Honestly, Korea has more potential as a tech tree than Japan, since Japan is forbidden from exporting arms there is no incentive for them to develop them outside of domestic use.

true, but i think they gonna change that. just some rumor though, but with north korea and china poking at south korea and japan i think they probably gonna ease it to some extend

 

my opinion though. put NK to china and SK to USA.

does USA need it? probably not. but at least people doesn't whine if gaijin put it on japan

if they really make it independent TT. well.. we probably gonna get israel 2.0 with copy paste like china.

 

i just want to know what gonna happen to japan TT in 5 - 6 years when japan got F-35, how the ground will fare then.

 

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i don't know how much truth to this article but, it seems the really planned to export some.

Japan to enable fighter jet and missile exports to 12 nations

Edited October 14, 2022 by Mutsukata

[島風 2,396]

5 minutes ago, GildyMenn21 said:

That Japan lacks in certain vehicles doesn’t give them a right to get vehicles they never used.

While I'm On The Side Of "Korea Shouldn't Be Added To Japan", This Reasoning Makes So Few Sense I Can't Even Start To Explain Why That Doesn't Hold Up.

Japan Still Has A Bit Of Top Tier Juice Left In It, Going Further Than Type 10 Isn't Possible, But Is It Really Required? Imo The Type 10 Is Among The Better Tanks In Game Rn With A Full 3s Auto Loader And Type 10 APDSFS Does More Than Make Up For In Its Lacking Armour.

Japan Just Needs More Filling Out The Ranks Inbetween V-VI-VII: SAM Vehicles Ranging From The Type 81 - Type 11, ATGM Vehicles Such As The Type 96 Chu-MPM And MRMPM, Couple Of Prototype AA Vehicles, More SPHs, ... - On Top Of Later Generations Jets That Will Be Coming In A Year Like The F-2, F-15J, F-35J.

Japan Still Has More To Offer In The WWII Generation Of Vehicles, Still A Good Handful Of WWII Tanks Are Missing, An Awful Lot Of Planes Can Still Be Added And Naval Is Just Kicked Of In Growing With So Much More Potential.

[GildyMenn21 285]

10 hours ago, WorldLiberation said:

LOL, you are dodging the most obvious

let me give you some beyond the most obvious:

Japan fought in the Korean War and it is one of the reasons Japan had a post-War economic boom + Alliance + Cultural proximity + ASEAN+3 +etc...

Looks like you are a very concerned party, but the best interest for you may not be the best for the Game nor Gaijin.

There is more money to made beyond your suggestions.

You don’t seem to realize how Gaijin implements nations in-game. If adding Korea as sub tree for Japan is best for the game and profitability why haven’t they done it years ago? So now explain to me why they haven’t done this years go?
Gaijin knows that they will be pressured if they introduce this idea and not just from the community. The answer was obvious but your blind to see it. 
 

All the things i mentioned in my previous post is how Gaijin implement things, you either participated in the development, own the vehicle or at least have a alliance with the nation. That’s clearly visible with UK/South Africa and Sweden/Finland. 

 

10 hours ago, WorldLiberation said:

Japan fought in the Korean War and it is one of the reasons Japan had a post-War economic boom + Alliance + Cultural proximity + ASEAN+3 +etc...

 

Yes and No. Japan didn’t fought on the frontlines but a small number of Japanese did however been employed for minesweeping, medical work and base work under US command but Japan was mainly a logistical hub for the allies by supplying material for the US/UN which restarted their industry after their defeat in WW2.

 

Edited October 15, 2022 by GildyMenn21

[島風 2,396]

6 hours ago, WorldLiberation said:

Japan fought in the Korean War and it is one of the reasons Japan had a post-War economic boom + Alliance + Cultural proximity + ASEAN+3 +etc...

W-What? No? Far From It? Japan Was Completely Stripped From An National Army And Reduced To A (Militarized) Police Force (NPR - The National Police Reserve) (Which Later Would Become The SDF). And None Of This Is The Reason It Popped Of And Regained With A Post-War Economic Boom After Westernizing Even More After American Occupation And Regaining Japanese Autonomy. 

- The Only Thing That Links South Korea And Japan Is Their Alliance To The USA And NATO Allies, Not To Each Other.
- Japanese-South Korean Relations Only Got Established In 1965 After Peace-Talks, But These Relations Aren't By Any Means On A Good Note.
- Japan, Korea & China Just Link With The Greater ASEAN, Not Each-Other..
- Cultural proximity..... Don't Even Get Me Started....

Besides All Of This Comes Down To Politics And Stuff, Which Is Prob Not A Good Thread To Continue On The WT Forum.

[Haicma 67]

Not sure whether there's some trollbaiting going on in this thread for Korea to be implemented in a way that is never going to happen because of IRL stuff, or some people are just that tone-deaf.

 

Imho if Korea is actually coming to WT, they'd be under a hypothetical international TT, or become a standalone nation that starts at mid-to-high tiers a la Israel.

 

There's no way Korea is going to go under Japan (or even China) without **** hitting the fan. East Asians are very particular about their national identities.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Haicma

[Alpha84 62]

No. Period.

[ExtraHostile 5]

Yes, we don't need any more trees unless it's a tree that includes many countries such like an international tree

[Epsilon160 270]

Easier way to solve the major gaps would be just adding the Type 81/11 for SPAA and giving CAS support in the form of USFJ. Korea isn't exactly the best choice for reasons that become quite apparent when you look at their bilateral relations rather than their positions in geopolitics, and most of SEA is split between Chinese and Japanese/Western influence for economic reasons.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Epsilon160

[不是很能抗压 1,265]

No, but if NK be in CN tt i would be happy, and SK can be in USA tt as some special vehicles not in tree. Following words might about the politics, u can skip it.

Spoiler

Actrully there are almost no countries like Japen in East Asia, if one day they ally with the USA no more, the one who want to combat with Japen first must be the entire Korean and the China and following the most East Asia countries.Unlike German, most Japenese dont reflect on their senior's war crimes and willing to be the watchdog for USA to suppress China meanwhile prepare for new war to gain the new benefits of East Asia by following the USA agaist woth China. It was a Japanese-American  who ordered to fire on China in the South China Sea conflict in 2016.

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by ZERO_OLYH

[GildyMenn21 285]

13 hours ago, Ruthless95 said:

lol i get the koreans, it would feel 1910-1945 all over again, it's a touchy matter but as you said gaijin could not care less about that.

Apparently they do care otherwise they would fused them together years ago but beside that Gaijin already kinda hinted that South and North Korea Tree but will have to see. 

[GildyMenn21 285]

8 hours ago, Ruthless95 said:

 

 

the south and north where?....so 3 more years wait on the visegrad tree south amrican tree and few other trees that should sit around while south and north korea the copy of the copy of ussr tree wants to get spotlight in gaijin's logic before 5 other trees who deserve to be there sooner than the copy of the copy of ussr tree. and after that probably the north and south vietnam tree too.

I mentioned that Gaijin hinted a North or South Korean Tree i didn’t mention that they are prioritizing or making a North or South Korean first,  so please highlight where i have mentioned that. In the video below they used North and South Korea as an example to answer a player’s question that's why tried to say that Gaijin kinda hinted it. (Go to 20:35 in the video)

Beside that you mentioned that the North and South Korean Tree would Copy n Paste. Let say it would be United Korean Tree i would you agree that the majority of the Air Tree is gonna be CnP but i would like to know your explanation in regards to the Ground Tree.
 

[SaabGripen 642]

On 02/12/2022 at 23:31, GildyMenn21 said:

I mentioned that Gaijin hinted a North or South Korean Tree i didn’t mention that they are prioritizing or making a North or South Korean first,  so please highlight where i have mentioned that. In the video below they used North and South Korea as an example to answer a player’s question that's why tried to say that Gaijin kinda hinted it. (Go to 20:35 in the video)

 

Shortcut here

 

[kkang2828 1,446]

On 23/11/2022 at 03:19, WorldLiberation said:

First Island Chain Defence Forces 

 

LOL historical and political shenanigans aside(and yes I'm from SK and I do care a lot about that, but you're just trolling at this point and there's no use arguing with you), putting SK in JP tree will obviously make GJ less money than a USA sub tree or independent nation. There would be a huge difference in premium sales, and that alone is enough for GJ to never even think about adding SK to the JP tree.

Edited December 4, 2022 by kkang2828

[kkang2828 1,446]

2 hours ago, WorldLiberation said:

Lol, you are biased, end of the discussion. I am talking about pure game mechanics wise, if you play Italian tree you know doing this is not profitable.

If one Unified tree, given Germany precedence 

Japan > US > Standalone > China

What you are saying is purely unsupported, sorry, look at Italian premium tank sales, and the chance you meet another versus Sweden, the perfect mix nation tree.

numbers of VRCC and CV90105 tell a lot.

The American tree may need another tier VI premium such as K1, but Japan needs it more.

 

LMAO this just shows that you are completely ignorant of what the issue is. WHAT does Italy or Sweden have to do with this? Just keep quiet if you don't know anything, okay?

 

Obviously the majority of people who will buy, grind, and play ROK vehicles will be people from ROK. And Koreans absolutely HATE Japan(cause politics and history), in many cases more so than we dislike our Northern kin. I know cause I'm from ROK, as mentioned before. This means that many Koreans will not buy, grind, or play ROK vehicles if they're placed within Japan, resulting in less profits for Gaijin. It's as simple as that.

 

If Korean vehicles ever come, I'm most certain that it'll be a standalone nation, since that will mean Gaijin will be able to sell even more premiums.

Edited December 10, 2022 by kkang2828

[VF21_Freelancers 1,404]

As for the K2, since Poland bought the K2PL from Korea, if the Polish TT is implemented in the game, Original K2 could be implemented as a rank 7 event vehicles or somethings.

 

It makes more sense to push them all into the existing tree as event vehicles rather than implement the Aviation TT as a complete copy and paste, let alone the Ground TT.

Edited December 13, 2022 by NoBombersInJetRB

[GildyMenn21 285]

On 13/12/2022 at 16:06, NoBombersInJetRB said:

 

It makes more sense to push them all into the existing tree as event vehicles rather than implement the Aviation TT as a complete copy and paste, let alone the Ground TT.

Care to elaborate? I do agree in regards to the Air Tree but i would like to know what you meant in regards to the Ground Tree. 

[VF21_Freelancers 1,404]

43 minutes ago, GildyMenn21 said:

Care to elaborate? I do agree in regards to the Air Tree but i would like to know what you meant in regards to the Ground Tree. 

My point is that it is almost impossible to implement only ground TTs in the game, and that we should use a tree of countries that are technically close or that have export variants, like Poland, and implement the original vehicles there. For example, K-1 was designed and developed by GE, so that can implement in the USTT.  

 

[mikinosese 3]

Japan need Korea to be a good nation

 

[OoFTA 1]

Like many nations in game like all they have a lot of copy past. Does that stop players no because it is there countries model and they would have different then Stock models and here a few for SK.

 

M4A3E8 "Easy Eight" variant of Sherman tanks , dating back to World War II, had been retired from service by the Republic of Korea Army , and the backbone of the South Korean armor was formed up of M47 and M48 Patton tanks.

Such as upgrading the existing M48 Pattons to the M48A3 and A5 standard

• M48A3K: South Korean modified M48A3/E48C fitted with Laser Tank Fire Control System (LTFCS)
• M48A5K1: 105mm KM68A1 main gun, digital fire control system, M1 cupola and steel side skirts
• M48A5K2: Same as K1 but fitted with Urdan low profile cupola.
• M48A5KW: Same as K2 but without side skirt armor

(South Korean officials were dispatched to General Dynamics Land Systems for supervision of the design, which would spawn the XK1.) this would mean they got the K1 MBT idea from a USA company but they improved the XK1/K1A1 to be better then any Abrams till the M1A2. so around end of the cold war SK would have made tanks/military tech to be more advance then there counterparts in USA and Europe. since the K1(3rdGEN) and K2(4th/beyondGen). my sources here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_of_South_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_main_battle_tanks_by_generation

 

Japan has the type 10 which is a 4th gen tank which is the only one in game which if SK is any TT/Indie it would add the 2nd 4th gen tank to game 

Altay is a Turkish modern  main battle tank based on South Korean K2 Black Panther to be produced by BMC under design assistance and technology transfer by Hyundai Rotem. which would mean a Turkey would have a knock off version.

My final thoughts is South Korea worth be great in USA or Indie but not with NK since it make no sense to have a China 2.0 in the game and Israel 2.0 would be better since SK military tech is in the game then.(PS sorry I'm all over the place lol)

Edited February 18, 2023 by OoFTA

[kkang2828 1,446]

On 18/02/2023 at 08:33, mikinosese said:

Japan need Korea to be a good nation

 

 

No.

[Imaflyingturkey 114]

On 18/02/2023 at 00:33, mikinosese said:

Japan need Korea to be a good nation

 

i mean they lack mbts and other support vehicles at top tier but the top tier is still kinda fine if you dont look at the AA line

 

And i do fine with the type 10