ZTZ99A overdue for a buff?

[Clangokkuner 253]

Let's face it here, the ZTZ99A in terms of raw stats is absolutely not 11.0 material, with massively gimped gun elevation speed, gimped reload and gimped armour, clearly the stats are not competitive enough for the current 11.0 meta. Even worse, the misaligned breech is STILL NOT FIXED. How long has it been since they added the ZTZ99A and actually took a look at how it compares to the rest of the current meta???????

[Vassau 41]

Also the tank is very long. It should be shorter than the ZTZ-99I/III

[blmghbr 38]

Reload time is difficult to improve. Because the loading mechanism of 99A is similar to T72. If you want to buff 99A, then T72 also needs to be buffed together.

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

On 30/10/2022 at 17:04, Clangokkuner said:

Let's face it here, the ZTZ99A in terms of raw stats is absolutely not 11.0 material, with massively gimped gun elevation speed, gimped reload and gimped armour, clearly the stats are not competitive enough for the current 11.0 meta. Even worse, the misaligned breech is STILL NOT FIXED. How long has it been since they added the ZTZ99A and actually took a look at how it compares to the rest of the current meta???????

reload is pretty much actually similar to T-72 given the two-stage sequence, unless more video footage emerges, or when other concrete sources come out.

 

on the other hand, i agree with the vertical aim and UFP being ridiculously underperforming. UFP should be able to absorb up to M829A2 like the 99-III. Such have been proven by numerous bug reports by chinese nationals themselves, with all sources in chinese translated to english. All came from a military engineering college so plausible at least.

 

otherwise, 99A will remain incapable when pitted against T-80BVM, Leo 2A5/6, and Strv 122. Cannot be downtiered to 10.7 though given the fact that UFP is just immune to all 10.7 rounds (KE-W, M829A1, etc), what more against 9.7s?

[VeNoMxBR 789]

2 hours ago, NAYEONnaise said:

reload is pretty much actually similar to T-72 given the two-stage sequence, unless more video footage emerges, or when other concrete sources come out.

 

on the other hand, i agree with the vertical aim and UFP being ridiculously underperforming. UFP should be able to absorb up to M829A2 like the 99-III. Such have been proven by numerous bug reports by chinese nationals themselves, with all sources in chinese translated to english. All came from a military engineering college so plausible at least.

 

otherwise, 99A will remain incapable when pitted against T-80BVM, Leo 2A5/6, and Strv 122. Cannot be downtiered to 10.7 though given the fact that UFP is just immune to all 10.7 rounds (KE-W, M829A1, etc), what more against 9.7s?

Although I believe 99A need some tweaks, I can say he is 11.0 material.

 

It fits the meta way more than top tier Britain or top tier Italy. I have no issues killings BVMs, 122, 2A6 or any other tank. The major downside on 99A is the 7s reload.

[EL337GH0ST 195]

ZTZ99A definitely does not fit 10.7  11.0

Compared to BVM, it's only advantage is neutral steering and reverse speed.

 

 

I'd rather have better reverse mobility (like the BVM has, turning around corners is much faster), better reload speed, smaller size and due to this better armor layout, stronger armor, much smaller weakspots, slightly better turret rotation speed and MASSIVELY better elevation speed.

 

Not to mention the side armor, the ZTZ99A has NONE (50 mm RHA), while the BVM not only has 80 mm side armor which is high hardness (80*1.10 mHHRA=88 mm RHAe), but it also gets an upgrade package with extremely useful Relikt for not only improved CE, but KE protection as well. The ERA is also buggy AF eating shots that it absolutely shouldn't be able to.

 

Turret side armor is also much weaker on ZTZ99A, particularly because of the large size.

 

Most importantly, the UFP is more similar to T-72B3 in effectivness because the devs for some reason didn't give it FY-5 ERA on the hull like it should have, but they gave it FY-4. Meanwhile BVM has Relikt which stops every round in-game. ZTZ99A can't stop M829A2, L/44 DM53, let alone L/55 DM53.

 

Lower frontal plate is also way bigger and much easier to hit and one shot the ZTZ99A.

 

ZTZ99A can't shoot over its engine deck, while BVM can, another big problem if someone gets behind you (which is easy because almost everyone has good mobility in top tier).

The mobility is on par with the BVM, because the BVM has a gas turbine and lower weight so the difference in HP/tonne is mitigated. Also, the BVM's acceleration and off road mobility is generally overperforming, somehow being able to go faster than an HSTV-L.

 

Optics on BVM are also quite a lot better, and it has better thermals.

 

It's also very probably missing depression (ZTZ99A), there is speculation that the huge turret was made to make the tank more "Westernized", meaning better (around 8°) depression. You can also see that it has a lot of room to elevate the breech, however the cannon barrel already almost touches the hull roof, so I'm not sure about that.

 

Conclusion: ZTZ99A should drop to 10.7 because it is more comparable to the T-72B3, with the T-90A losing its top round and going to 10.3, same with the ZTZ99s.

If it gets fixed armor (stronger UFP, smaller weakspots), its size reduced, and reload balanced to 6.5 or even 6 seconds (due to generally being worse than BVM) and elevation speed fixed, I could see it at 11.0.

 

edit 1: corrected first sentence and DM63 to L/55 DM53

edit 2: added info about depression

Edited December 22, 2022 by EL337GH0ST

[Renamed59273 18]

Then he went to 11.3China's science and technology tree is becoming more and more boring，Gaijin is keen to give China some vehicles to exercise willpower，They won't care. Their task is not to experience the game

[Nuckerball 275]

So why on earth is fy5 on the turret but not the hull, it makes no sense. Gaijin is trying to say china purposely gimps their own tanks??? tf?

[不是很能抗压 1,265]

3 hours ago, Nuckerball said:

So why on earth is fy5 on the turret but not the hull, it makes no sense. Gaijin is trying to say china purposely gimps their own tanks??? tf?

It actually only in turret IRL.

[Nuckerball 275]

19 hours ago, Zero_Seeker said:

It actually only in turret IRL.

Common china L 

[Confrade 10]

On 19/03/2023 at 23:37, Nuckerball said:

So why on earth is fy5 on the turret but not the hull, it makes no sense. Gaijin is trying to say china purposely gimps their own tanks??? tf?

 

Well they do that on the Chinese Air tree too, bunch of PRC jets are either missing loadouts, not having flares when they should (Q-5L) or have a missing function on it's radar (J-8B).

[Kingtiez@live 606]

I’d really like to see these tanks get their active protection system modeled.

 

[不是很能抗压 1,265]

37 minutes ago, Kingtiez@live said:

I’d really like to see these tanks get their active protection system modeled.

 

Same

[Nuckerball 275]

On 18/11/2022 at 07:19, NAYEONnaise said:

reload is pretty much actually similar to T-72 given the two-stage sequence, unless more video footage emerges, or when other concrete sources come out.

 

on the other hand, i agree with the vertical aim and UFP being ridiculously underperforming. UFP should be able to absorb up to M829A2 like the 99-III. Such have been proven by numerous bug reports by chinese nationals themselves, with all sources in chinese translated to english. All came from a military engineering college so plausible at least.

 

otherwise, 99A will remain incapable when pitted against T-80BVM, Leo 2A5/6, and Strv 122. Cannot be downtiered to 10.7 though given the fact that UFP is just immune to all 10.7 rounds (KE-W, M829A1, etc), what more against 9.7s?

99a is bizarre because for whatever reason, china allegedly decided "you know what? lets NOT put our fy5 era on the hull. We should definitely make the hull weaker for absolutely no reason!" Also the gun handling is miserable too which I find HIGHLY suspect given how modern the tank is by a military that is incredibly well funded compared to russia. And even the bvm has nato gun handling in the vertical speed. Maybe the chinese military is just utterly incompetent and purposely sabotages their own vehicles. But I doubt that 

[jet_17_49 411]

3 hours ago, Nuckerball said:

Also the gun handling is miserable too which I find HIGHLY suspect given how modern the tank is by a military that is incredibly well funded compared to russia. And even the bvm has nato gun handling in the vertical speed.

We know that Norinco was testing improved turret drives on the first batch of prototype 99As (currently partially reflected in WT), and that these would later be used on the VT4. The problem is that for now there is nothing publicly available that indicates whether these were actually carried over onto production 99As.

Edited April 11, 2023 by jet_17_49

[jet_17_49 411]

The 1001's gun handling buffs appear to have been carried over onto the production 99A on dev

[Nuckerball 275]

On 19/05/2023 at 11:46, jet_17_49 said:

The 1001's gun handling buffs appear to have been carried over onto the production 99A on dev

yup, but still not quite nato level gun handling. 20*/second would bring it to par with the best mbts in game. The 99a's ufp also seems to have gotten a substantial buff. With era its over 700mm and without era its still able to resist M829A2 and L/44 DM53. 

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

4 minutes ago, Nuckerball said:

yup, but still not quite nato level gun handling. 20*/second would bring it to par with the best mbts in game. The 99a's ufp also seems to have gotten a substantial buff. With era its over 700mm and without era its still able to resist M829A2 and L/44 DM53. 

oh really? so its relikt equivalent now?

[Nuckerball 275]

15 hours ago, NAYEONnaise said:

oh really? so its relikt equivalent now?

So the era protection didnt change, the composite armor behind it improved. Even with the era blown off it was like 623mm of protection 

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

14 hours ago, Nuckerball said:

So the era protection didnt change, the composite armor behind it improved. Even with the era blown off it was like 623mm of protection 

Ah i see. In reality the hull is still covered in fy4 so yeah fair

[Nuckerball 275]

12 hours ago, NAYEONnaise said:

Ah i see. In reality the hull is still covered in fy4 so yeah fair

I wonder why they do that though. 

[NAYEONnaise 1,936]

7 hours ago, Nuckerball said:

I wonder why they do that though. 

fr...now that's a problem of the real life PLA.

 

hopefully they would modify the 99A IRL by adding FY5 to hull, upgrading to bustle autoloader (to allow for longer rounds), and adding side ERA panels. 

[Nuckerball 275]

13 hours ago, NAYEONnaise said:

fr...now that's a problem of the real life PLA.

 

hopefully they would modify the 99A IRL by adding FY5 to hull, upgrading to bustle autoloader (to allow for longer rounds), and adding side ERA panels. 

I think this will be china's last generation of tank with soviet to domestic growing pains. I would expect their next mbt to directly rival the best from nato