Flakpanzer Gepard 1 A2 Stinger Prototype (Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard 1 A2 Stinger)

[MandeFTW 68]

1 hour ago, Chris4win said:

nightvision is missing too. Gaijin did a lazy implementation again. It´s a gepard a1 with stingers. The a1 did get the lrf too iirc.

I am glad to have it ingame because it looks cool and stingers help against jets, but Gaijin could have done a better job.

(hope for the FlakPanzer DRAGON, this east german truck anti air  or an auto cannon vehicle next maybe the the spz 11-2 kurz)

That is just Gaijins department having the issue. The gepard might be missing NVD (it does not really need them, but that is besides the point)
Its nothing like a A1 seeing the A1 is missing critical internal solutions the A2 has (and stingers offcourse as prototype) Yes, the A1 did get lrf but the rest was purely an A2 upgrade. (But I can see where you are coming from with the point)

The stingers will help to a certain degree, cant really say much about their performance as in-game is nothing like irl.

I have not seen any suggestion on the FlakPanzer Dragon (could be missing its suggestion) but its an unique vehicle and it would be a nice addition (or the Gepard 1 A2 EOTS prototype)

 

 

[Lord_Prism 1,827]

1 hour ago, NoodleCup31 said:

Too bad they were nerfed from 1000 m/s to 680 m/s this patch

And still have the worst pathing known to man

[Jεcka 4,618]

They completely omitted the existence of DM33 FAPDS... NVD is missing, the radar isn't even improved.

 

Congratulations, your research went for naught, Gaijin ignored it completely and chose to just copy-paste the regular one and add Stingers to it.

[Lord_Prism 1,827]

1 minute ago, Holouu said:

They completely omitted the existence of DM33 FAPDS... NVD is missing, the radar isn't even improved.

 

Congratulations, your research went for naught, Gaijin ignored it completely and chose to just copy-paste the regular one and add Stingers to it.

Ahem "We spend months of development time and research on every model of vehicle in game"

Sure as hell doesn't seem like it 

[Mordegar 28]

The only reason for adding the Gepard 1a2 was the FADPS ammunition with extended range and lethality against Helicopters and Planes for high tier battles. The stingers are useless against them, and can't keep up with supersonic jets.

This thing is now sitting between the Roland and the Ozelot as yet another timegate to worsen the grind for the Roland.

Disappointing!

Edited December 20, 2022 by Mordegar

[Chris4win 366]

17 hours ago, MandeFTW said:

I have not seen any suggestion on the FlakPanzer Dragon (could be missing its suggestion) but its an unique vehicle and it would be a nice addition (or the Gepard 1 A2 EOTS prototype)

Ru222 and Flakpanzer dragon are missing as a suggestion. There is very little info about them, but I think the ru222 is in a museum and I have no information about the dragon but it´s more or less marder chassie with a amx 30dca turret

[JamesPond1200@psn 299]

Congratulations on having this guy added! I'm disappointed that not all the IRL features were added, but hey, the T-55M had the wrong MG in the dev server but they fixed that, so we can still hold out hope that with enough bug reports and complaints Gaijin will fix this too. Regardless, great job!

[-Bundeswehr- 13]

[MandeFTW 68]

On 21/12/2022 at 14:55, Chris4win said:

Ru222 and Flakpanzer dragon are missing as a suggestion. There is very little info about them, but I think the ru222 is in a museum and I have no information about the dragon but it´s more or less marder chassie with a amx 30dca turret

Well, there might be little information about them. But that depends on what has been searched.

 

 

16 hours ago, JamesPond1200@psn said:

Congratulations on having this guy added! I'm disappointed that not all the IRL features were added, but hey, the T-55M had the wrong MG in the dev server but they fixed that, so we can still hold out hope that with enough bug reports and complaints Gaijin will fix this too. Regardless, great job!

Thank you! Exactly, enough bug reports and it can probably get fixed, sooner than later I suppose.

 

10 hours ago, DXPortShow said:

That is indeed true, the only gepard A2 prototype with the EOTS thermal system installed, from the looks of it someone has used it on the RU forums. Just checked the RU forum and it seems to also have people complain about its actual shell (FAPDS) missing 

 

[Lord_Prism 1,827]

35 minutes ago, MandeFTW said:

Well, there might be little information about them. But that depends on what has been searched.

 

 

Thank you! Exactly, enough bug reports and it can probably get fixed, sooner than later I suppose.

 

That is indeed true, the only gepard A2 prototype with the EOTS thermal system installed, from the looks of it someone has used it on the RU forums. Just checked the RU forum and it seems to also have people complain about its actual shell (FAPDS) missing 

 

If it got thermals then 9.7 would work well indeed, if FAPDS is coming then I wouldnt mind a move to 10.0 if it was the main belt rather than the 40 reserve round 

[MandeFTW 68]

6 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said:

If it got thermals then 9.7 would work well indeed, if FAPDS is coming then I wouldnt mind a move to 10.0 if it was the main belt rather than the 40 reserve round 

It wont get thermals sadly (that would be a different vehicle but could be a nice modification to the current Stinger Prototype offcourse)

To be honest, 9,3-9,7 would be a good BR when it gets its FAPDS rounds and if lucky its APFDS rounds. 

The FAPDS rounds would be its primary shell/belt (stated by the Bundeswehr)

[Lord_Prism 1,827]

5 minutes ago, MandeFTW said:

It wont get thermals sadly (that would be a different vehicle but could be a nice modification to the current Stinger Prototype offcourse)

To be honest, 9,3-9,7 would be a good BR when it gets its FAPDS rounds and if lucky its APFDS rounds. 

The FAPDS rounds would be its primary shell/belt (stated by the Bundeswehr)

Well you cant win them all I suppose

[MandeFTW 68]

12 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said:

Well you cant win them all I suppose

Yeah, we cant win em all. But who knows, its gaijin. They made some unhistorical stuff happen before

 

[Chris4win 366]

FAPDS is not in game because it´s balancing choice confirmed by smin. Still sad not to see the main round for the 1a2

[MandeFTW 68]

25 minutes ago, Chris4win said:

FAPDS is not in game because it´s balancing choice confirmed by smin. Still sad not to see the main round for the 1a2

Balancing, sure. Dont believe it. at 9,7 its not going to do much when its normal variant is 8,0.

But its their game, their choice

[Chris4win 366]

9 minutes ago, MandeFTW said:

Balancing, sure. Dont believe it. at 9,7 its not going to do much when its normal variant is 8,0.

But its their game, their choice

 

I think they are affraid of the pen. It would be like a full apds belt but with really good damage against planes too. But other vehicles have even better pen on their auto cannons (just alone the bmp2m) + the gepard has this big ammo belt which just needs one spark to set it off.

[MandeFTW 68]

13 minutes ago, Chris4win said:

 

I think they are affraid of the pen. It would be like a full apds belt but with really good damage against planes too. But other vehicles have even better pen on their auto cannons (just alone the bmp2m) + the gepard has this big ammo belt which just needs one spark to set it off.

Could be, but that justifies its BR currently. Stingers arent that great and with FAPDS it would compensate with its high pen (still lower than current APDS at that is overperforming)

Yeah, the gepard is a easy target to kill, so its a compensation for having good rounds

[NoodleCup31 8,824]

On 21/12/2022 at 14:55, Chris4win said:

Ru222 and Flakpanzer dragon are missing as a suggestion. There is very little info about them, but I think the ru222 is in a museum and I have no information about the dragon but it´s more or less marder chassie with a amx 30dca turret

The RU 222 is basically a German falcon with better mobility (Spz Lang chassis).

 

DRAGON and Matador also have double Oerlikon 30mm but with search / tracking radar an on a Marder and Leopard 1 chassis respectively.

 

Now just like the Falcon all of those could use mixed HE / APDS belts unlike the Gepard.

But since we have a Gepard and Matador and DRAGON are basically the same gameplay wise the only worthwhile addition is the RU 222 since it doesn't have radar and could be 7.3 or 7.7 like the Falcon.

 

Oh and it's in a museum alongside the Matador yes so easy access for photos etc.

Edited December 23, 2022 by NoodleCup31

[NoodleCup31 8,824]

DRAGON btw:

Edited December 23, 2022 by NoodleCup31

[Chris4win 366]

1 hour ago, NoodleCup31 said:

The RU 222 is basically a German falcon with better mobility (Spz Lang chassis).

 

DRAGON and Matador also have double Oerlikon 30mm but with search / tracking radar an on a Marder and Leopard 1 chassis respectively.

 

Now just like the Falcon all of those could use mixed HE / APDS belts unlike the Gepard.

But since we have a Gepard and Matador and DRAGON are basically the same gameplay wise the only worthwhile addition is the RU 222 since it doesn't have radar and could be 7.3 or 7.7 like the Falcon.

 

Oh and it's in a museum alongside the Matador yes so easy access for photos etc.

 

Thx. RU222 sound really nice to have at 7.3 (when kugelblitz moves back to 6.7 and limited ammo) but I would still like to have a 30mm anti air. Matador and dragon look both good.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Chris4win

[NoodleCup31 8,824]

1 hour ago, Chris4win said:

kugelblitz moves back to 6.7 and limited ammo)

Why limited ammo?

[Chris4win 366]

14 minutes ago, NoodleCup31 said:

Why limited ammo?

 

I would like to have it without apds, because at 8.0 the gepard is better at killing tanks. At 7.3 it would be nice to have a dedicated AA vehicle and not just the marder

[Hartsy1 32]

Come on Gaijin? Where's the FAP rounds? The whole idea was to give ground players a more effective spaa to close a br bracket, it's not going to be any more game breaking than the bmp2m apfsds or the LAV-AD crazy mobility as well as a potent gatling gun against mbts, the difference between the two is the gepard doesn't have the insane mobility or thermals. The additional 300m/s would be appreciated with dealing with aircraft are longer engagement ranges.. 

[Gun_dalf 117]

5 hours ago, Hartsy1 said:

Come on Gaijin? Where's the FAP rounds? The whole idea was to give ground players a more effective spaa to close a br bracket, it's not going to be any more game breaking than the bmp2m apfsds or the LAV-AD crazy mobility as well as a potent gatling gun against mbts, the difference between the two is the gepard doesn't have the insane mobility or thermals. The additional 300m/s would be appreciated with dealing with aircraft are longer engagement ranges.. 

 

Tbh there is no way around it, the Gepard 1A2 is a useless and lazy addition as long as it is lacking its main ammunition (yes, not the 20 shells per gun AP ammunition) of FAPDS, as this is historical and amongst the only reason for it to stay at 9.7. It is debatable if it gets the AHEAD ammunition, as this would require a different muzzle break.

 

On the other hand, we have vehicles with completely imaginary stats in the game like the 2S38 as well as proxy fuse rounds in artillery systems which fuse on aircraft, which is simply a product of Gaijins imagination (2S3, G6 etc...). Having ammunition in game which simply is nonexistent we might as well add a air burst ammunition for the Gepard at this point which exist, but needs a muzzle break, which exists as well.

 

attached the datasheed of KMW which shows that dual purpose ammunition was available as main ammunition.

gepard.pdf

[MandeFTW 68]

1 hour ago, Gun_dalf said:

 

Tbh there is no way around it, the Gepard 1A2 is a useless and lazy addition as long as it is lacking its main ammunition (yes, not the 20 shells per gun AP ammunition) of FAPDS, as this is historical and amongst the only reason for it to stay at 9.7. It is debatable if it gets the AHEAD ammunition, as this would require a different muzzle break.

 

On the other hand, we have vehicles with completely imaginary stats in the game like the 2S38 as well as proxy fuse rounds in artillery systems which fuse on aircraft, which is simply a product of Gaijins imagination (2S3, G6 etc...). Having ammunition in game which simply is nonexistent we might as well add a air burst ammunition for the Gepard at this point which exist, but needs a muzzle break, which exists as well.

 

attached the datasheed of KMW which shows that dual purpose ammunition was available as main ammunition.

gepard.pdf 205.04 kB  ·  2 downloads

Its just how Gaijin is, the A2 in its current form is an lazy copy-paste with some new textures and stingers added. The current A2 in-game is inaccurate to what it could have been (see suggestion) 
9,3-9,7 can be a good br for it, if its gets its full belt of FAPDS as standard belt with its APDS/APFSDS as the 40 shells total. Already had a big discussion about its ABM/AHEAD rounds so I will not go back into such discussion.

Some vehicles get stuff added that they either did not use or only was prototyped and that gets added when its not performing right. Dont really understand why the Gepard 1 A2 does not get its shell. (Excluding AHEAD for now)