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Ukraine Ground Forces Tree


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Ukraine Ground Forces Tree Suggestion  

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  1. 1. Should Ukraine be its own nation in War Thunder?

    • Yes
      433
    • No
      175
    • Other/Comment
      25
  2. 2. What Rank should it start at?

    • IV
      289
    • V
      97
    • VI
      50
    • Other/Comment
      30
    • I don't want it.
      154
  3. 3. Should there be more Western equipment in the tree (i.e. Gepard 1A2) or focus just on Eastern equipment?

    • Western
      251
    • Eastern
      156
    • Other/Comment.
      65
    • I said no.
      148


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Guys, keep it on topic. I know that this will stay as a rather volitile topic for the foreseeable future however do keep politics out of it. So far most of you guys have been keeping this suggestion on-topic, please keep it that way. I also cleaned up some of the off-topic stuff.

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9 hours ago, Rambolf said:

Friend.... thats defo photoshop...

I think you skipped over the “if” part

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I think it can exist as a line in a pan-eastern European tree, but there needs to be some connection to Ukraine for the preindependence stuff like the t54 (say, they were used by ethnically Ukrainian units or were briefly in active Ukrainian stocks after the collapse of the USSR before being disposed of or were built at the Kharkiv plant). I'm pretty sure that's what you were going for already, but I think you would get more support if you marked this out explicitly in each vehicles description.

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14 minutes ago, hienapunk said:

I think it can exist as a line in a pan-eastern European tree, but there needs to be some connection to Ukraine for the preindependence stuff like the t54 (say, they were used by ethnically Ukrainian units or were briefly in active Ukrainian stocks after the collapse of the USSR before being disposed of or were built at the Kharkiv plant). I'm pretty sure that's what you were going for already, but I think you would get more support if you marked this out explicitly in each vehicles description.

Eastern European tree is a terrible idea and should not come to fruition

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Upgraded BTR-70 with ZTM-1 30mm gun and UTD-20 diesel engine, dubbed the BTR-70-KBA-2 zr. 2004. Optics are standard night vision devices. 

 

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Zaslin or Zaslon Active Protection System that can be added to the T-64BV or other vehicles. It's represented in the tree with the T-64BV (Zaslin) at Rank VI/BR: 9.7.

 

http://glavcom.blogspot.com/

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8 hours ago, BlusteryBark6@live said:

Don’t forget object 477 

 

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/477-1-jpg.533362/


https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/477-2-jpg.533364/

is as far as I know the only color photo of object 477 it’s in Ukraine can be added 


Obj. 477 had variants:. 477/A/A1 

Object 477 ’Bokser’:

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Object 477A ‘Molot’ :

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Object 477A1 ‘Nota’ (After the fall of the Soviet Union, development continued through the ‘90s as a joint venture between the Russian Federation and Ukraine) :
These are the leaked photos of one of the Object 477A1 "Nota" prototypes that exist. Vehicle was/is armed with high pressure 152mm smoothbore gun in a low profile turret, and front hull armor was said to exceed 1000mm in thickness + was covered with ERA.
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A digitally cleaned up image of Obj 477 :

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47 minutes ago, BlusteryBark6@live said:

Yes we need more op tanks

 

Eventually, we will start seeing MBTs with 130/140 NATO or 152 Soviet/Russian as some nations are very close to those calibers already.

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On 13/12/2022 at 19:36, Borotovas said:

I voted no, because a majority of this tech tree is just copy+paste Soviet/Russian vehicles with a different skin. If there is a Ukrainian tech tree, it would also have to get air/navy/helicopters. And a majority of the planes and helicopters would just be copy+paste Russian vehicles.

 

What would be the motivation for people to play this tech tree? It will just be the same vehicles as in the Russian tech tree; except with limited and less-advanced options.

I second this one, it’s simply a less advanced Soviet Tech tree and copy & paste, the tree wouldn’t even get past rank 7 for Ground Forces  and rank 8 for its Air Force, I also don’t see how this can be compared to Israel when it comes to its independent implementation.

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I think that any nation that can reasonably be added as an independent faction deserves the chance. +1 from me

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31 minutes ago, Kingtiez@live said:

I second this one, it’s simply a less advanced Soviet Tech tree and copy & paste, the tree wouldn’t even get past rank 7 for Ground Forces  and rank 8 for its Air Force, I also don’t see how this can be compared to Israel when it comes to its independent implementation.

No disrespect but what you said could be said almost exactly about the Yugoslavia tree which a lot of people support and uses equipment that is derived from the Soviet Union as well, and would cap at the M-84AS2 and MiG-29SM. 

The USSR tree isn’t formatted to use vehicles from former USSR states and would be bloated heavily if Ukraine were to be implemented into the tree as it stands. Not to mention there’s no representation from any other Post-Soviet state other than Russia.

 

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4 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

No disrespect but what you said could be said almost exactly about the Yugoslavia tree which a lot of people support and uses equipment that is derived from the Soviet Union as well, and would cap at the M-84AS2 and MiG-29SM. 
 

 

There’s a difference though, Yugoslavia has many unique designs, not only that, they have more to offer, Ukraine is made up mostly of upgraded Soviet Hardware.

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3 minutes ago, Kingtiez@live said:

There’s a difference though, Yugoslavia has many unique designs, Ukraine is made up mostly of upgraded Soviet Hardware.

Not really. The Ukrainian T-84 is a unique development similarly to how the M-84 was developed in terms of taking a Soviet design and indigenously modifying it. There’s plenty of that in both trees as well as indigenous designs. Ukraine has created new missiles, armored fighting vehicles, etc. 

 

It’s your opinion though so I respect that. 

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20 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

Not really. The Ukrainian T-84 is a unique development similarly to how the M-84 was developed in terms of taking a Soviet design and indigenously modifying it. There’s plenty of that in both trees as well as indigenous designs. Ukraine has created new missiles, armored fighting vehicles, etc. 

I understand that completely, though It’s really hard to compare Ukraine to Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia would be a conjunction of modern nations too with many of their own vehicles. Nobody wants to grind a tech tree similar one we have in game except for those with nationalist biases, no offense. Ukraine is still a very interesting topic, though it’s implementation would be very controversial no matter how you do it.

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9 hours ago, Kingtiez@live said:

I second this one, it’s simply a less advanced Soviet Tech tree and copy & paste, the tree wouldn’t even get past rank 7 for Ground Forces  and rank 8 for its Air Force, I also don’t see how this can be compared to Israel when it comes to its independent implementation.

Ukrainian tanks are fairly different from their Soviet counterparts.

New ERA, new projectiles, new FCS systems, whole new cannon with the Yatagan even.

Regarding light vehicles they produce new variants of BMP’s that carry different armaments as well and the BTR-4 is a gem for this tree too.

 

Though I wouldn’t say Ukraine is one of the top contenders for a new independent nation when it comes to it’s vehicle selection (especially in the other modes), they definitely aren’t copy/paste.

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3 minutes ago, Mahiwew said:

 

Ukrainian tanks are fairly different from their Soviet counterparts.

New ERA, new projectiles, new FCS systems, whole new cannon with the Yatagan even.

Regarding light vehicles they produce new variants of BMP’s that carry different armaments as well and the BTR-4 is a gem for this tree too.

 

Though I wouldn’t say Ukraine is one of the top contenders for a new independent nation when it comes to it’s vehicle selection (especially in the other modes), they definitely aren’t copy/paste.

There’s a few vehicles I’d personally love to see out of the tree, BTR-4 like you said would be a great one and the Oplot and Yatagan

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5 minutes ago, Kingtiez@live said:

I understand that completely, though It’s really hard to compare Ukraine to Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia would be a conjunction of modern nations too with many of their own vehicles. Nobody wants to grind a tech tree similar one we have in game except for those with nationalist biases, no offense. Ukraine is still a very interesting topic, though it’s implementation would be very controversial.

I wouldn't bring up nationalist tendencies/bias because that can be stretched to any nation. 

 

I think this issue would be resolved a lot easier if Gaijin had planned on integrating post-Soviet states such as Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. into the USSR initially (initially as in when they started adding modern vehicles) rather than just solely Russian vehicles. 

4 minutes ago, Kingtiez@live said:

There’s a few vehicles I’d personally love to see out of the tree, BTR-4 like you said would be a great one and the Oplot and Yatagan

I agree, they have vehicles like the BMT-72 as well that was a IFV/Tank hybrid which I always thought as unique. 

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