Match fixing at top tier for fun and profit.

[CoolJ 1,082]

Recently, I have noticed a certain squadron actively fixing matches at top tier. When the game is 6v6, and two players on your team are from the same squad as four players on the enemy team, I consider that match fixing. The two on my team refuse to attack their buddies and vice versa. So there is no way to win. I mean if this is not against the rules, then I guess my squad has no choice but to make a second squadron and sync-cue 6-8 players so we can also reap the benefits of having 80% of the enemy team actively ignore us.

 

 

If a game master wants the full screenshot, feel free to PM me. Good luck out there people. When you get a game like this, just report them and leave I guess.

[Josephs_Piano 7,044]

Report them in-game or in the replay ffs!

[Juegoman 0]

I was always indifferent to them clogging up high rank air arcade with their shenanigans but it was fine since they were just playing together I suppose.
I hope that this is the result of someone impersonating them because this is very disappointing behavior from them.

[tanpych 4]

well looks like 8 players 1 clan now then GUUD doing it as well

[z_Phantom 2]

pretty ironic to complain about this when you and your buddies only know how to spawn camp and abuse BR roundings, and reporting you and leaving is the same way to deal with it lmao

[CoolJ 1,082]

On 24/12/2022 at 23:06, z_Phantom said:

pretty ironic to complain about this when you and your buddies only know how to spawn camp and abuse BR roundings, and reporting you and leaving is the same way to deal with it lmao

 

First of all, being better than you is not against the rules. Filling both teams so you can assign a winner is. Nothing we are doing is "abuse". We play within the rules. You should probably climb up and intercept us if you don't want us above you. In your spawn, you are safer than anywhere else on the map. All you have to do is dive away. If you climb into us and separate yourself from your teammates, then of course we will shoot you down. We are interested in keeping our friendlies safe at high altitudes. It is the only way heavy bombers can really get points anymore. Furthermore, intercepting enemy bombers before they get a chance to drop bombs is also one of our goals. When the enemy spams 10-15 planes just dive bombing over and over again, I don't call that an exploit or abuse. As long as that mechanic exists, we will do whatever it takes within the rules to counter it. Whinging about being spawn camped just means you don't understand how altitude and energy advantage works. It has been explained many times in this forum how to deal with that situation. If you don't make any attempt to climb up and secure the airspace above you when the match starts, how can you claim that your death is anyone's fault but your own?

[Kosher_Locust 120]

On 29/12/2022 at 03:11, CoolJ said:

 

First of all, being better than you is not against the rules. Filling both teams so you can assign a winner is. Nothing we are doing is "abuse". We play within the rules. You should probably climb up and intercept us if you don't want us above you. In your spawn, you are safer than anywhere else on the map. All you have to do is dive away. If you climb into us and separate yourself from your teammates, then of course we will shoot you down. We are interested in keeping our friendlies safe at high altitudes. It is the only way heavy bombers can really get points anymore. Furthermore, intercepting enemy bombers before they get a chance to drop bombs is also one of our goals. When the enemy spams 10-15 planes just dive bombing over and over again, I don't call that an exploit or abuse. As long as that mechanic exists, we will do whatever it takes within the rules to counter it. Whinging about being spawn camped just means you don't understand how altitude and energy advantage works. It has been explained many times in this forum how to deal with that situation. If you don't make any attempt to climb up and secure the airspace above you when the match starts, how can you claim that your death is anyone's fault but your own?

You lost the argument with "being better than you is not against the rules."  It's always the same thing with you  guys:

1. Arcade players are mostly strangers tossed into a match, no one is selecting guard duty to keep you out of the spawn
2. You get over the spawn and rely on a height and surprise advantage to get your "perfect scores" rather than skill
3. Players often ARE diving away and getting nailed anyways
4. Climbing up is what you want, for people to nose out and stall, making even easier targets for you
5. As soon you get winged you head for the hills to preserve your "zero death" scores rather than spawn again to help the team
6. I intercept bombers also, just I wait until they're out of the spawn.  It's not that hard, try it some time.

What really says a lot about you guys is when you post your "ZOMG!  50 to 1 WORLD RECORD Win!"  videos on Youtube a high view count is maybe 500 views.  No one outside of your clans cares about how important you think you are.  But posting screenshots of all the hate chat you get like it's from people jealous of you is a cry for help.

 

So you complaining about someone using a game mechanic to their advantage when you do the same yourself, is well, kind of funny.  Even if they are "fixing" a match by their guys on my team pulling punches against their clan mates on the other team, I don't care, leaves more bad guys for me to shoot down. 

[CoolJ 1,082]

2 hours ago, Kosher_Locust said:

You lost the argument with "being better than you is not against the rules."  It's always the same thing with you  guys:.....

 

There is not argument to lose. If you cry about spawn camping, it's because you let people get above you. You let that happen because of two reasons.

 

One. You are too scared to attack the enemy at the start of the match and claim Air superiority.

Two. You are too eager to attack ground targets because of reason one.

 

Match fixing is expressly against the rules. Period. Killing terrible players that climb under me is not.

 

If you wanna be billy big boy pants, come up and stop me. You won't. Because you can't. Salt just makes you look weak. Do better.

[Kosher_Locust 120]

On 30/12/2022 at 23:16, CoolJ said:

 

There is not argument to lose. If you cry about spawn camping, it's because you let people get above you. You let that happen because of two reasons.

 

One. You are too scared to attack the enemy at the start of the match and claim Air superiority.

Two. You are too eager to attack ground targets because of reason one.

 

Match fixing is expressly against the rules. Period. Killing terrible players that climb under me is not.

 

If you wanna be billy big boy pants, come up and stop me. You won't. Because you can't. Salt just makes you look weak. Do better.

Try this:

 

1. I'm either going after the bombers or if not many are showing up then the opportune players
2. You guys usually get over the spawn when I'm tangling with someone else
3. Spawn Campers are not a given in a game so most of the time guarding the spawn (as opposed to knocking out enemy fighters) would be wasted

 

As for salt?  Just pointing out the obvious.  Now consider these two points:

 

1. Most of us play for recreation, not to spend almost 6,000 hours or 250 days of playing time seeking validation (look up your numbers) 
2. You hung yourself (again) saying you have to be sitting up on a perch so people "have to come up and stop you." Is there anything else you ever do in the game?

So go ahead and cry about someone "fixing" a match, how come with your godlike skillz you didn't just win it anyways?  But do what you're going to do, when real life (age, bills, death, taxes, take your pick) comes collect just tell all how good a gamer you are, I'm sure they'll be impressed.

 

 

 

 

[anyuser 5,136]

On 31/12/2022 at 06:16, CoolJ said:

 

There is not argument to lose. If you cry about spawn camping, it's because you let people get above you. You let that happen because of two reasons.

 

One. You are too scared to attack the enemy at the start of the match and claim Air superiority.

Two. You are too eager to attack ground targets because of reason one.

 

Match fixing is expressly against the rules. Period. Killing terrible players that climb under me is not.

 

If you wanna be billy big boy pants, come up and stop me. You won't. Because you can't. Salt just makes you look weak. Do better.

To be honest, in current Warthunder it does not matter if you loose air superiority over the spawn.

 

Wasn't there a 100 Guy here recently who cried after he noticed the meaningless of his contribution to the match, when the other team actually forces the objectives?
 

I mean, what people above the spawn do is basically holding a knife so everybody who is eager enough can throw himself into this knife.

Yeah, it does need 2.

 

Ok, there might be friendly bombers too, but winning by airfield bombing when the other team is going for the ground targets? No way.

Usually people who are high up there won't go down for bomber carriers (read fighter bombers, attackers) who dive away for 2 reasons. 1st They will be below the enemy spawn then and will be jumped and 2nd, the flightpath for the groundtargets usually got the airfield AA zone on its way. Very few like to go into that zone. I would even say, those who do don't belong to the good players but are stupid most of the time.

 

And the bigger the squad up high, the less resistance the other players of the team can actually bring into the defense.

 

The only reason the "spawncamping" (I don't think either, there is such thing) does work, even for winning a match.

Players are stupid enough to throw themself into the same knife, doing the same stupid stuff by bleeding away their energy and serving themself on a silver plate over and over again with worse and worse planes.

It is a psychological thing for some as it seems.

 

The moment the team would get its **** together and everybody would strap on bombs, dive away and hammers away the groundtargets, we would see more crying about their meaningless to the game by some of the high K/D rollers.

I mean, we are talking about not even 3 hard ground targets every player would have to kill (maybe not even 2) and maybe 3 to 4 light ground targets, when you got at last 5 spawns.

And we got enough fighters or attackers, who can finish of this quota (or at last most of it) in one run without reloading. And with this big amount of newly reclassed "strike crafts" with strongly reduced bomb and rocket reload - when I got a kill ground units daily i will fly out my Me 410 (fast bomber variant) / Bf 110 setup...

 

The reason we don't got 4min matches anymore isn't, that it isn't possible anymore, the reason is, most of the players don't force it.

The reason is, many players are to stupid to kill a standing tank with something smaller then 1000kg - not to talk about a moving one.

Why the same players do feel they could get their hands on a plane above them, that got more energy and is the better plane in general - that one is over my head.

Edited January 8, 2023 by anyuser

[f_ritz 24]

On 30/12/2022 at 20:08, Kosher_Locust said:

You lost the argument with "being better than you is not against the rules."  It's always the same thing with you  guys:

1. Arcade players are mostly strangers tossed into a match, no one is selecting guard duty to keep you out of the spawn
2. You get over the spawn and rely on a height and surprise advantage to get your "perfect scores" rather than skill
3. Players often ARE diving away and getting nailed anyways
4. Climbing up is what you want, for people to nose out and stall, making even easier targets for you
5. As soon you get winged you head for the hills to preserve your "zero death" scores rather than spawn again to help the team
6. I intercept bombers also, just I wait until they're out of the spawn.  It's not that hard, try it some time.

Yes, it is always the same thing, because he's right.

 

1 - If you lose air superiority it's your fault, period. Every online game is strangers tossed into a match; you're saying "the sky is blue" like it's a profound statement.

2 - If you had a height and surprise advantage over a dangerous player, you'd abuse it too. Don't tell me with a straight face you'd behave otherwise. And if you'd behave that way with a dangerous player, why not with everyone? The level 12 in a P-36G is just as capable of killing you as the 100 in the same plane.

3 - Tough luck. Try diving for the airfield next time, we don't like AAA. And maybe stay there, out of the way.

4 - Yes, and? Try climbing on the first spawn, it may be your only chance. And if you lose that dogfight - it's on you.

5 - You win a fight by maximizing your advantage over your opponent. Entering a fight without doing so is suicide.

6 - And waste time chasing them around the map? It's more efficient to go to the source, and if they can't guard their bombers, see #1.

 

 

On 01/01/2023 at 16:13, Kosher_Locust said:

Try this:

 

1. I'm either going after the bombers or if not many are showing up then the opportune players
2. You guys usually get over the spawn when I'm tangling with someone else
3. Spawn Campers are not a given in a game so most of the time guarding the spawn (as opposed to knocking out enemy fighters) would be wasted

 

As for salt?  Just pointing out the obvious.  Now consider these two points:

 

1. Most of us play for recreation, not to spend almost 6,000 hours or 250 days of playing time seeking validation (look up your numbers) 
2. You hung yourself (again) saying you have to be sitting up on a perch so people "have to come up and stop you." Is there anything else you ever do in the game?

So go ahead and cry about someone "fixing" a match, how come with your godlike skillz you didn't just win it anyways?  But do what you're going to do, when real life (age, bills, death, taxes, take your pick) comes collect just tell all how good a gamer you are, I'm sure they'll be impressed.

 

1 - The opportune players just happen to all make a beeline for you out of spawn, so what choice do you have: wait for them go get an even footing with you, or crush them before they pose a real threat?

2 - Prioritize your targets.

3 - "Guarding the spawn" - you misspelled "knocking out enemy fighters that are at altitude and pose the biggest threats"

 

1 - And we don't play for recreation? Miss me with this "nolife" ****. You're level 100, too.

2 - Yes, actually. Sometimes I dive to the deck in a bomber and take out the bases by flying directly under the enemy fighter spawn. Works every time, for the same reasons as spawncamping - people don't pay attention and are asleep at the wheel, so they don't see anything outside their FOV, and you can get away with sneaking around.

 

Match fixing seems more like a symptom of a larger disease with AB top tier, the fact it's depopulated. Depopulated games mean you could get a few buddies to queue up with you and basically have the room to yourself. It doesn't make the practice any more right, but in a 6v6 room that's just how it goes, I guess. Only permanent solution I can see is to populate it more somehow, like maybe making air AB free of AAMs? Just an idea, would be funny to have a guns-only mode, would make it feel more arcade-y and could probably push some RB jet players to try AB for a change. And maybe make AB grinding easier? The casual player will either switch to RB or not play jets period if they have to slog through several hundred games just to get the next shiny.

 

And having "godlike skillz" (whatever the heck that means) doesn't change the fact you're in a 1v4 against a coordinated squad, which is already a nuisance in a prop, but in jets? Forget it.

Edited January 16, 2023 by f_ritz

[Rikers_Beard 517]

LOL people in here really trying to excuse blatant match fixing by acting like spawn camping is "equally" as bad? LOL!

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

Is discussing spawncamping scumbaggery the 'godwin's law' of this fourm? 

[Rikers_Beard 517]

3 minutes ago, FailBoatCaptain said:

Is discussing spawncamping scumbaggery the 'godwin's law' of this fourm? 

 

Seems so.

[anyuser 5,136]

On 16/01/2023 at 12:20, FailBoatCaptain said:

Is discussing spawncamping scumbaggery the 'godwin's law' of this fourm? 

Some people feel so badly camped, that they do feel entitled to talk about this topic at every "opportunity".

 

While it is mostly they serving themself for dinner.

[DerLachendeMann 506]

The only reason this works for VPO and squadrons like this is that there are simply not enough high BR AB air games, they wouldn't even need the guys from their twin squad, just the guys on one side already got a significant advantage. Just by playing the 'players from the same squadron won't face each other' rule they manage to get 5 people with (I presume) voice comms and coordination on one team in a 6vs6 game. If there were a number of games like in the BR 4 range there would probably be a squad of 2 players at best.

[Kosher_Locust 120]

On 16/01/2023 at 04:54, Rikers_Beard said:

LOL people in here really trying to excuse blatant match fixing by acting like spawn camping is "equally" as bad? LOL!

Just pointing out the obvious that one unfavorable tactic that people can get away with is the same as another.  Or......the camper complaining is really rich.

[Kosher_Locust 120]

On 16/01/2023 at 04:20, f_ritz said:

1 - If you lose air superiority it's your fault, period. Every online game is strangers tossed into a match; you're saying "the sky is blue" like it's a profound statement.

2 - If you had a height and surprise advantage over a dangerous player, you'd abuse it too. Don't tell me with a straight face you'd behave otherwise. And if you'd behave that way with a dangerous player, why not with everyone? The level 12 in a P-36G is just as capable of killing you as the 100 in the same plane.

3 - Tough luck. Try diving for the airfield next time, we don't like AAA. And maybe stay there, out of the way.

4 - Yes, and? Try climbing on the first spawn, it may be your only chance. And if you lose that dogfight - it's on you.

5 - You win a fight by maximizing your advantage over your opponent. Entering a fight without doing so is suicide.

6 - And waste time chasing them around the map? It's more efficient to go to the source, and if they can't guard their bombers, see #1.

 

 

You need to be a little more hysterical, you're just short of being in "The Zone."  No matter how you try to justify it you want to get a height and surprise advantage that places you above all other players, no matter their skill or what they're flying. all the time, every single game.  This isn't the same as finding an opportunity, getting the kill, then lining up another player.  That's competition.  You'll never see me complaining about a player who's bested me in a match playing out in the field.  Sometimes I congratulate them on great flying.  

 

On 16/01/2023 at 04:20, f_ritz said:

1 - The opportune players just happen to all make a beeline for you out of spawn, so what choice do you have: wait for them go get an even footing with you, or crush them before they pose a real threat?

2 - Prioritize your targets.

3 - "Guarding the spawn" - you misspelled "knocking out enemy fighters that are at altitude and pose the biggest threats"

 

1 - And we don't play for recreation? Miss me with this "nolife" ****. You're level 100, too.

2 - Yes, actually. Sometimes I dive to the deck in a bomber and take out the bases by flying directly under the enemy fighter spawn. Works every time, for the same reasons as spawncamping - people don't pay attention and are asleep at the wheel, so they don't see anything outside their FOV, and you can get away with sneaking around.

 

Match fixing seems more like a symptom of a larger disease with AB top tier, the fact it's depopulated. Depopulated games mean you could get a few buddies to queue up with you and basically have the room to yourself. It doesn't make the practice any more right, but in a 6v6 room that's just how it goes, I guess. Only permanent solution I can see is to populate it more somehow, like maybe making air AB free of AAMs? Just an idea, would be funny to have a guns-only mode, would make it feel more arcade-y and could probably push some RB jet players to try AB for a change. And maybe make AB grinding easier? The casual player will either switch to RB or not play jets period if they have to slog through several hundred games just to get the next shiny.

 

And having "godlike skillz" (whatever the heck that means) doesn't change the fact you're in a 1v4 against a coordinated squad, which is already a nuisance in a prop, but in jets? Forget it.

 

Uhhh....I'm Level 80.  And the last two months it's been the campers on my team ruining the game. The trouble with you guys is you tangle with so many people you can't keep straight who you're arguing with.  None of us normies (who can also get the Hero of the Sky and other medals fairly often) need to post endless videos of our top scores or screenshots of all our hate mail--most of us never get any hate mail. So I don't care what anyone else says, using one tactic to win/throw a match, or quitting early, or diving into the ground, isn't any different than what you're doing.  None are good for competitive play, but you want an exception.  So keep on whining....

 

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

i'll say this much . I've been playing some 10.0 in biplanes for fun lately and i'll say the standard of play is little different from the ~BR4 I usually play at   the head on rams just happen faster

On 16/01/2023 at 06:54, Rikers_Beard said:

LOL people in here really trying to excuse blatant match fixing by acting like spawn camping is "equally" as bad? LOL!

well there is a point here . Match fixing , unlike being a scumbag spawncamper , is against the rules. This thread is about match fixing at top tier not complaining about scumbags

[anyuser 5,136]

5 hours ago, FailBoatCaptain said:

the head on rams just happen faster

And it doesn't even rewards any kills.

Those guys must be very sad.

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

4 hours ago, anyuser said:

And it doesn't even rewards any kills.

Those guys must be very sad.

dunno but when I shot down an AV-8A with my I-153 M62 and he just hits me at like 900Kph or something  the dodge just dosen;'t happen

[anyuser 5,136]

That's just the last "REVENGE!!!!".

Because he ***** it up so much in the first place to make this happen...

[DocProfit 2,663]

Pfffft, squads have been doing this for many years.

 

There is nothing in the rules that says 2 teams of 4 on voice comms can't click the to battle button at the same time.