Posted May 9, 2023 i think the Meteor also deserves its own post as the primary long range weaponry of the 3 Eurocanards but I haven't really looked into that too much yet so I'm lacking sources. @MBDA_Meteor do you have any to share? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Flame2512 3,386 Report post Posted June 13, 2023 On 15/05/2023 at 13:14, MBDA_Meteor said: I'm surprised to see Skyflash & Aspide listed there. I thought the Eurofighter lacked a CW illuminator? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Flame2512 said: I'm surprised to see Skyflash & Aspide listed there. I thought the Eurofighter lacked a CW illuminator? afaik it was planned in the beginning but AMRAAM was just much better so that was dropped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: no sources so it could in theory be all garbage and it can't be used as a source actually, I already knew. but the thread has been quiet for a long time, and I wanted to revive it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 Credit to @_Iluminas_ for posting this picture, some more loadouts I dont think where posted here Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, MBDA_Meteor said: actually, I already knew. but the thread has been quiet for a long time, and I wanted to revive it fair enough speaking of weapons: i've said this in the UK post but i do really wonder how gaijin is going to be implementing the different "variants" of the Eurofighter(namely the German, British and Italian ones) because, at most, they'd require a software update(which i dont think is modeled in game??) to use the weapons of the other Eurofighters... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: fair enough speaking of weapons: i've said this in the UK post but i do really wonder how gaijin is going to be implementing the different "variants" of the Eurofighter(namely the German, British and Italian ones) because, at most, they'd require a software update(which i dont think is modeled in game??) to use the weapons of the other Eurofighters... Simple answer of gaijin))) Copy and Paste Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: i've said this in the UK post but i do really wonder how gaijin is going to be implementing the different "variants" of the Eurofighter(namely the German, British and Italian ones) because, at most, they'd require a software update(which i dont think is modeled in game??) to use the weapons of the other Eurofighters... They will probably give the Brits the ASRAAM and the Germans and Italian ones IRIS-T. Cant imagine much else differences. The only I can think of are DASS (some super early Tranche 1 lacked the rear MAWS) and Germany not equipped PIRATE, but them being used on WTD61 (98+XX) would qualify enough imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: They will probably give the Brits the ASRAAM and the Germans and Italian ones IRIS-T. Cant imagine much else differences. The only I can think of are DASS (some super early Tranche 1 lacked the rear MAWS) and Germany not equipped PIRATE, but them being used on WTD61 (98+XX) would qualify enough imo its a very modular system. the ASRAAM/IRIS-T difference is probably the biggest difference that should exist(i doubt that Taurus and Storm shadow will be added so i'll ignore those). however, i do not support the lack of the rear MWS on the german tranche 1s because, as i have shown before, they all got it at some point anyways. PIRATE and LWS makes sense. though i do hope that we get the 98+07 with AMK and PIRATE c: Edited June 14, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MythicPi 593 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 Honestly, I dont see much reason to play germany air anymore. - The F-4F ICE is likely to be subpar, due to being a gen 3+ that will be contending with gen 4's - The Tornado IDS is garbage - The German Eurofighter will just be strictly worse than the Italian and British one Quite frankly, there hasnt been a good reason to play german top tier air since the MiG-21MF added all the way back on December 17th 2019. Germany always gets snubbed on vehicles or capabilities whenever they have a genuine equivalent option, and now were entering the era of cost cutting turbo bureaucracy Germany where all there capabilities and developments get hampered by cost cutting and red tape. Its really sad to see since Germany was the first tree I fully ground out, but I'm glad I jumped ship 2 years ago. And lets not talk about Germany top tier ground. Id think gaijin genuinely forgot Rank 7 German ground existed if it wasnt for the fact theyre pulling the ol' "the best german top tier vehicle you've been desperately begging us for is an EVENT REWARD VEHICLE!!! " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 52 minutes ago, MythicPi said: Honestly, I dont see much reason to play germany air anymore. - The F-4F ICE is likely to be subpar, due to being a gen 3+ that will be contending with gen 4's - The Tornado IDS is garbage - The German Eurofighter will just be strictly worse than the Italian and British one Quite frankly, there hasnt been a good reason to play german top tier air since the MiG-21MF added all the way back on December 17th 2019. Germany always gets snubbed on vehicles or capabilities whenever they have a genuine equivalent option, and now were entering the era of cost cutting turbo bureaucracy Germany where all there capabilities and developments get hampered by cost cutting and red tape. Its really sad to see since Germany was the first tree I fully ground out, but I'm glad I jumped ship 2 years ago. And lets not talk about Germany top tier ground. Id think gaijin genuinely forgot Rank 7 German ground existed if it wasnt for the fact theyre pulling the ol' "the best german top tier vehicle you've been desperately begging us for is an EVENT REWARD VEHICLE!!! " compared to Italy's Eurofighter it 'only' lacks the PIRATE(and possibly AShM if or once they're implemented) but compared to the British one the lack of LWS and PIRATE is going to be putting it at a significant disadvantage. in a 1 on 1 dogfight it makes no difference but in CAS or BVR(yes, the pirate is good enough for that) it'll be worse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: but compared to the British one the lack of LWS and PIRATE is going to be putting it at a significant disadvantage. in a 1 on 1 dogfight it makes no difference but in CAS or BVR(yes, the pirate is good enough for that) it'll be worse Depends how much IRIS-T can make up for it. The option of it to be slaved to the MAWS (which should have enough resolution on the Euro, its millimeter wave after all) should allow for some significant survivability advantage in BVR and CAS. And again, for every Tranche of Eurofighters there probably is a WTD61 one with PIRATE, which honestly should be enough for Gajin to add it the German Euros as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 4 hours ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: Depends how much IRIS-T can make up for it. The option of it to be slaved to the MAWS (which should have enough resolution on the Euro, its millimeter wave after all) should allow for some significant survivability advantage in BVR and CAS. ASRAAM should also be capable of hitting targets behind the aircraft. its got more range than the IRIS-T but potentially less maneuverable. one thing the IRIS-T will definitely show is incredibly strong IRCM rejection and even DIRCM rejection. the DIRCCM is interesting because thats a result of not using a "full frame" IIR seeker, unlike the ASRAAM and AIM-9X, coupled with a rotating seekerhead(i explained this better in the IRIS-T's post)... that all doesnt help in BVR though, neither does it in cas tbh. unless you're suggesting that we should be shooting down missiles with the IRIS-T, in which case... yes its capable of doing that but why bother when you could just fly differently and lob meteors. its BVR performance with the Meteor should be unmatched until maybe the PL-15 and AIM-260 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) Did Luftwaffe uses AIM-120C-5 or better than that? (in AMRAAM varients) I cannot find Typhoon photo with AIM-120C varients. (you can distinguish it by clipped wing) Spoiler AIM-120 A,B wich have non-clipped wing Spoiler AIM-120C, wich have clipped wing because C-5/7 varients have longer launch range rather than A,Bs Assuming that AMRAAM will be used universally in the not-too-distant future, and a variant will be released, I'm worried that Germany won't get it. Gaijin will not give Meteor missiles not be easily because "too modern." Edited June 15, 2023 by MBDA_Meteor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... EL337GH0ST 196 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 32 minutes ago, MBDA_Meteor said: Did Luftwaffe uses AIM-120C-5 or better than that? (in AMRAAM varients) I cannot find Typhoon photo with AIM-120C varients. (you can distinguish it by clipped wing) Hide contents AIM-120 A,B wich have non-clipped wing Hide contents AIM-120C, wich have clipped wing because C-5/7 varients have longer launch range rather than A,Bs Assuming that AMRAAM will be used universally in the not-too-distant future, and a variant will be released, I'm worried that Germany won't get it. Gaijin will not give Meteor missiles not be easily because "too modern." Since Germany gets SARH missiles on Mig-21 despite being physically impossible IRL, and since it gets R-27ER on the Mig-29 it never used, they'll probably give them even the AIM-120D because of "balance". Also, I don't see how the Meteor is better than the AIM-120s, especially the C-5 and D variants... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Flame2512 3,386 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 28 minutes ago, EL337GH0ST said: Also, I don't see how the Meteor is better than the AIM-120s, especially the C-5 and D variants... The Meteor has much better range than the AMRAAM and a throttleable engine. The engine is a big deal because where AMRAAM has to glide to the target after the motor burns out the Meteor can accelerate, throttle down the engine, then throttle it back up as it approaches the target. That means it can pull more g on final approach due to the higher speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MythicPi 593 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 36 minutes ago, Flame2512 said: The Meteor has much better range than the AMRAAM and a throttleable engine. The engine is a big deal because where AMRAAM has to glide to the target after the motor burns out the Meteor can accelerate, throttle down the engine, then throttle it back up as it approaches the target. That means it can pull more g on final approach due to the higher speed. Meteor also maintains range better at varied altitudes as it doesn't have to loft to maintain optimal trajectory, and has reduced drag from the longer motor burn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, MythicPi said: Meteor also maintains range better at varied altitudes as it doesn't have to loft to maintain optimal trajectory, and has reduced drag from the longer motor burn. and incase the target is lost it loiters in the area untill the battery dies or it reaquiers the target Edited June 15, 2023 by _Iluminas_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, EL337GH0ST said: Since Germany gets SARH missiles on Mig-21 despite being physically impossible IRL, and since it gets R-27ER on the Mig-29 it never used, they'll probably give them even the AIM-120D because of "balance". Also, I don't see how the Meteor is better than the AIM-120s, especially the C-5 and D variants... basically what the other said already but to reiterate: Its got a different engine. Unlike the typical rocket motor its not just a boost but its got a boost rocket motor and a throttleable airbreathing ramjet engine which allows it to maintain a certain speed and adjust its speed along its flight path. This increases its no escape zone significantly and is probably still the largest of any missile irl. It burns most of the way to the target(if not all the way) so a missile fired at (arbitriary values here) 50nmi is just as dangerous as a missile fired at 30nmi. being able to adjust the speed also allows the missile to get faster as it gets closer to the target making it a lot harder (or impossible) to escape. the range is obviously classified but likely larger than even the latest 120D models This confusion about the Meteor is exactly why i want to make a post about it but there is barely any usable information about it so its kinda hard Edited June 15, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 I think, Luftwaffe did not use C/D varients. . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 3 hours ago, MBDA_Meteor said: I think, Luftwaffe did not use C/D varients. . . D is unknown, C is used by the Luftwaffe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Lord_Prism said: D is unknown, C is used by the Luftwaffe oh that's it, can you share source? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, MBDA_Meteor said: oh that's it, can you share source? i can't find any documents or pictures of German Eurofighters carrying the C or D variants. The Lw themselves stated that the Meteor is replacing the AMRAAM so it would be weird for them to order more and newer AMRAAMs when its replacement is already here and operational. To me it seems like everyone went from AMRAAM A/B directly to Meteor. Edited June 16, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: i can't find any documents or pictures of German Eurofighters carrying the C or D variants. The Lw themselves stated that the Meteor is replacing the AMRAAM so it would be weird for them to order more and newer AMRAAMs when its replacement is already here and operational. To me it seems like everyone went from AMRAAM A/B directly to Meteor. I agree to this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Flame2512 3,386 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: To me it seems like everyone went from AMRAAM A/B directly to Meteor. The UK used AIM-120C-5, as well as AIM-120B, but we might be the exception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, Flame2512 said: The UK used AIM-120C-5, as well as AIM-120B, but we might be the exception. i couldn't find any pictures of that. its either AIM-120A/B or Meteor. couldn't find anything with clipped fins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 11 of 12 Share More sharing options... Followers 0
Flame2512 3,386 Report post Posted June 13, 2023 On 15/05/2023 at 13:14, MBDA_Meteor said: I'm surprised to see Skyflash & Aspide listed there. I thought the Eurofighter lacked a CW illuminator? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Flame2512 said: I'm surprised to see Skyflash & Aspide listed there. I thought the Eurofighter lacked a CW illuminator? afaik it was planned in the beginning but AMRAAM was just much better so that was dropped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: no sources so it could in theory be all garbage and it can't be used as a source actually, I already knew. but the thread has been quiet for a long time, and I wanted to revive it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 Credit to @_Iluminas_ for posting this picture, some more loadouts I dont think where posted here Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, MBDA_Meteor said: actually, I already knew. but the thread has been quiet for a long time, and I wanted to revive it fair enough speaking of weapons: i've said this in the UK post but i do really wonder how gaijin is going to be implementing the different "variants" of the Eurofighter(namely the German, British and Italian ones) because, at most, they'd require a software update(which i dont think is modeled in game??) to use the weapons of the other Eurofighters... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: fair enough speaking of weapons: i've said this in the UK post but i do really wonder how gaijin is going to be implementing the different "variants" of the Eurofighter(namely the German, British and Italian ones) because, at most, they'd require a software update(which i dont think is modeled in game??) to use the weapons of the other Eurofighters... Simple answer of gaijin))) Copy and Paste Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: i've said this in the UK post but i do really wonder how gaijin is going to be implementing the different "variants" of the Eurofighter(namely the German, British and Italian ones) because, at most, they'd require a software update(which i dont think is modeled in game??) to use the weapons of the other Eurofighters... They will probably give the Brits the ASRAAM and the Germans and Italian ones IRIS-T. Cant imagine much else differences. The only I can think of are DASS (some super early Tranche 1 lacked the rear MAWS) and Germany not equipped PIRATE, but them being used on WTD61 (98+XX) would qualify enough imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: They will probably give the Brits the ASRAAM and the Germans and Italian ones IRIS-T. Cant imagine much else differences. The only I can think of are DASS (some super early Tranche 1 lacked the rear MAWS) and Germany not equipped PIRATE, but them being used on WTD61 (98+XX) would qualify enough imo its a very modular system. the ASRAAM/IRIS-T difference is probably the biggest difference that should exist(i doubt that Taurus and Storm shadow will be added so i'll ignore those). however, i do not support the lack of the rear MWS on the german tranche 1s because, as i have shown before, they all got it at some point anyways. PIRATE and LWS makes sense. though i do hope that we get the 98+07 with AMK and PIRATE c: Edited June 14, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythicPi 593 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 Honestly, I dont see much reason to play germany air anymore. - The F-4F ICE is likely to be subpar, due to being a gen 3+ that will be contending with gen 4's - The Tornado IDS is garbage - The German Eurofighter will just be strictly worse than the Italian and British one Quite frankly, there hasnt been a good reason to play german top tier air since the MiG-21MF added all the way back on December 17th 2019. Germany always gets snubbed on vehicles or capabilities whenever they have a genuine equivalent option, and now were entering the era of cost cutting turbo bureaucracy Germany where all there capabilities and developments get hampered by cost cutting and red tape. Its really sad to see since Germany was the first tree I fully ground out, but I'm glad I jumped ship 2 years ago. And lets not talk about Germany top tier ground. Id think gaijin genuinely forgot Rank 7 German ground existed if it wasnt for the fact theyre pulling the ol' "the best german top tier vehicle you've been desperately begging us for is an EVENT REWARD VEHICLE!!! " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 14, 2023 52 minutes ago, MythicPi said: Honestly, I dont see much reason to play germany air anymore. - The F-4F ICE is likely to be subpar, due to being a gen 3+ that will be contending with gen 4's - The Tornado IDS is garbage - The German Eurofighter will just be strictly worse than the Italian and British one Quite frankly, there hasnt been a good reason to play german top tier air since the MiG-21MF added all the way back on December 17th 2019. Germany always gets snubbed on vehicles or capabilities whenever they have a genuine equivalent option, and now were entering the era of cost cutting turbo bureaucracy Germany where all there capabilities and developments get hampered by cost cutting and red tape. Its really sad to see since Germany was the first tree I fully ground out, but I'm glad I jumped ship 2 years ago. And lets not talk about Germany top tier ground. Id think gaijin genuinely forgot Rank 7 German ground existed if it wasnt for the fact theyre pulling the ol' "the best german top tier vehicle you've been desperately begging us for is an EVENT REWARD VEHICLE!!! " compared to Italy's Eurofighter it 'only' lacks the PIRATE(and possibly AShM if or once they're implemented) but compared to the British one the lack of LWS and PIRATE is going to be putting it at a significant disadvantage. in a 1 on 1 dogfight it makes no difference but in CAS or BVR(yes, the pirate is good enough for that) it'll be worse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: but compared to the British one the lack of LWS and PIRATE is going to be putting it at a significant disadvantage. in a 1 on 1 dogfight it makes no difference but in CAS or BVR(yes, the pirate is good enough for that) it'll be worse Depends how much IRIS-T can make up for it. The option of it to be slaved to the MAWS (which should have enough resolution on the Euro, its millimeter wave after all) should allow for some significant survivability advantage in BVR and CAS. And again, for every Tranche of Eurofighters there probably is a WTD61 one with PIRATE, which honestly should be enough for Gajin to add it the German Euros as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 4 hours ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: Depends how much IRIS-T can make up for it. The option of it to be slaved to the MAWS (which should have enough resolution on the Euro, its millimeter wave after all) should allow for some significant survivability advantage in BVR and CAS. ASRAAM should also be capable of hitting targets behind the aircraft. its got more range than the IRIS-T but potentially less maneuverable. one thing the IRIS-T will definitely show is incredibly strong IRCM rejection and even DIRCM rejection. the DIRCCM is interesting because thats a result of not using a "full frame" IIR seeker, unlike the ASRAAM and AIM-9X, coupled with a rotating seekerhead(i explained this better in the IRIS-T's post)... that all doesnt help in BVR though, neither does it in cas tbh. unless you're suggesting that we should be shooting down missiles with the IRIS-T, in which case... yes its capable of doing that but why bother when you could just fly differently and lob meteors. its BVR performance with the Meteor should be unmatched until maybe the PL-15 and AIM-260 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) Did Luftwaffe uses AIM-120C-5 or better than that? (in AMRAAM varients) I cannot find Typhoon photo with AIM-120C varients. (you can distinguish it by clipped wing) Spoiler AIM-120 A,B wich have non-clipped wing Spoiler AIM-120C, wich have clipped wing because C-5/7 varients have longer launch range rather than A,Bs Assuming that AMRAAM will be used universally in the not-too-distant future, and a variant will be released, I'm worried that Germany won't get it. Gaijin will not give Meteor missiles not be easily because "too modern." Edited June 15, 2023 by MBDA_Meteor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL337GH0ST 196 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 32 minutes ago, MBDA_Meteor said: Did Luftwaffe uses AIM-120C-5 or better than that? (in AMRAAM varients) I cannot find Typhoon photo with AIM-120C varients. (you can distinguish it by clipped wing) Hide contents AIM-120 A,B wich have non-clipped wing Hide contents AIM-120C, wich have clipped wing because C-5/7 varients have longer launch range rather than A,Bs Assuming that AMRAAM will be used universally in the not-too-distant future, and a variant will be released, I'm worried that Germany won't get it. Gaijin will not give Meteor missiles not be easily because "too modern." Since Germany gets SARH missiles on Mig-21 despite being physically impossible IRL, and since it gets R-27ER on the Mig-29 it never used, they'll probably give them even the AIM-120D because of "balance". Also, I don't see how the Meteor is better than the AIM-120s, especially the C-5 and D variants... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame2512 3,386 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 28 minutes ago, EL337GH0ST said: Also, I don't see how the Meteor is better than the AIM-120s, especially the C-5 and D variants... The Meteor has much better range than the AMRAAM and a throttleable engine. The engine is a big deal because where AMRAAM has to glide to the target after the motor burns out the Meteor can accelerate, throttle down the engine, then throttle it back up as it approaches the target. That means it can pull more g on final approach due to the higher speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythicPi 593 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 36 minutes ago, Flame2512 said: The Meteor has much better range than the AMRAAM and a throttleable engine. The engine is a big deal because where AMRAAM has to glide to the target after the motor burns out the Meteor can accelerate, throttle down the engine, then throttle it back up as it approaches the target. That means it can pull more g on final approach due to the higher speed. Meteor also maintains range better at varied altitudes as it doesn't have to loft to maintain optimal trajectory, and has reduced drag from the longer motor burn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, MythicPi said: Meteor also maintains range better at varied altitudes as it doesn't have to loft to maintain optimal trajectory, and has reduced drag from the longer motor burn. and incase the target is lost it loiters in the area untill the battery dies or it reaquiers the target Edited June 15, 2023 by _Iluminas_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, EL337GH0ST said: Since Germany gets SARH missiles on Mig-21 despite being physically impossible IRL, and since it gets R-27ER on the Mig-29 it never used, they'll probably give them even the AIM-120D because of "balance". Also, I don't see how the Meteor is better than the AIM-120s, especially the C-5 and D variants... basically what the other said already but to reiterate: Its got a different engine. Unlike the typical rocket motor its not just a boost but its got a boost rocket motor and a throttleable airbreathing ramjet engine which allows it to maintain a certain speed and adjust its speed along its flight path. This increases its no escape zone significantly and is probably still the largest of any missile irl. It burns most of the way to the target(if not all the way) so a missile fired at (arbitriary values here) 50nmi is just as dangerous as a missile fired at 30nmi. being able to adjust the speed also allows the missile to get faster as it gets closer to the target making it a lot harder (or impossible) to escape. the range is obviously classified but likely larger than even the latest 120D models This confusion about the Meteor is exactly why i want to make a post about it but there is barely any usable information about it so its kinda hard Edited June 15, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 I think, Luftwaffe did not use C/D varients. . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 3 hours ago, MBDA_Meteor said: I think, Luftwaffe did not use C/D varients. . . D is unknown, C is used by the Luftwaffe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Lord_Prism said: D is unknown, C is used by the Luftwaffe oh that's it, can you share source? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, MBDA_Meteor said: oh that's it, can you share source? i can't find any documents or pictures of German Eurofighters carrying the C or D variants. The Lw themselves stated that the Meteor is replacing the AMRAAM so it would be weird for them to order more and newer AMRAAMs when its replacement is already here and operational. To me it seems like everyone went from AMRAAM A/B directly to Meteor. Edited June 16, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBDA_Meteor 20 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: i can't find any documents or pictures of German Eurofighters carrying the C or D variants. The Lw themselves stated that the Meteor is replacing the AMRAAM so it would be weird for them to order more and newer AMRAAMs when its replacement is already here and operational. To me it seems like everyone went from AMRAAM A/B directly to Meteor. I agree to this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame2512 3,386 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: To me it seems like everyone went from AMRAAM A/B directly to Meteor. The UK used AIM-120C-5, as well as AIM-120B, but we might be the exception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted June 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, Flame2512 said: The UK used AIM-120C-5, as well as AIM-120B, but we might be the exception. i couldn't find any pictures of that. its either AIM-120A/B or Meteor. couldn't find anything with clipped fins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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i think the Meteor also deserves its own post as the primary long range weaponry of the 3 Eurocanards but I haven't really looked into that too much yet so I'm lacking sources.
@MBDA_Meteor do you have any to share?
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