Posted May 9, 2023 i think the Meteor also deserves its own post as the primary long range weaponry of the 3 Eurocanards but I haven't really looked into that too much yet so I'm lacking sources. @MBDA_Meteor do you have any to share? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 I like this here the most 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 21, 2022 if you find any nice pictures, please add them here just make sure that they're German Eurofighters(the lack of the PIRATE IRST is a good indication in case you can't see the flag on the tail and/or the registration markings on the side) here is, what would appear to be, the 98-07 testbed(IPA 7, Instrumented Production Aircraft) during Taurus KEPD 350 integration trials. Any pictures of weapons like these with those black and white(sometimes also yellow and black) circles indicate that that weapon is used for testing. The blue stripe also indicates that its an inert weapon meaning that it does not contain a live warhead. Integration and flight tests of this weapon system on the Eurofighter have started in 2014 and are likely done by now(although i'm still looking for sources to confirm that). Airbus Defence and Space has presented the Taurus as a weapon for the Eurofighter which, to me, indicates that integration was done. Especially considering that it was, by MBDA officials, announced to be an easy integration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) So what would be an example of an full AA loadout. I found some bonker ones with like 10 Meteor and 2 IRIS-T mind u no pictures just reading up about it thats why i ask Edit: A picture from https://theaviationist.com/2021/02/14/eurofighter-shows-typhoon-in-beast-mode-with-14-meteor-beyond-visual-range-air-to-air-missiles/ wich they say is from here https://world.eurofighter.com/ Spoiler 14 Meteor and 2 IRIS-T Edited December 23, 2022 by _Iluminas_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, _Iluminas_ said: So what would be an example of an full AA loadout. I found some bonker ones with like 10 Meteor and 2 IRIS-T mind u no pictures just reading up about it thats why i ask Edit: A picture from https://theaviationist.com/2021/02/14/eurofighter-shows-typhoon-in-beast-mode-with-14-meteor-beyond-visual-range-air-to-air-missiles/ wich they say is from here https://world.eurofighter.com/ Hide contents 14 Meteor and 2 IRIS-T And I imagine some of the meteors can be swapped for the IRIS-T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: And I imagine some of the meteors can be swapped for the IRIS-T Well Theoreticall it should be able to carry 8 IRIS-T with 4 Meteor in the center because as far as i know the wing pylons exept the outermost ones can be MFRL from ACMA https://acma-missionmanagement.de/what-we-do/ wich can carry IRIS-T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, _Iluminas_ said: Well Theoreticall it should be able to carry 8 IRIS-T with 4 Meteor in the center because as far as i know the wing pylons exept the outermost ones can be MFRL from ACMA https://acma-missionmanagement.de/what-we-do/ wich can carry IRIS-T Theoretical is all that counts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: Theoretical is all that counts dont know if u know german but i found this here https://eurofighter.airpower.at/bewaffnung.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, _Iluminas_ said: dont know if u know german but i found this here https://eurofighter.airpower.at/bewaffnung.htm Neat, working on my german more and this will help Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Lord_Prism said: Neat, working on my german more and this will help 9 hours ago, _Iluminas_ said: dont know if u know german but i found this here https://eurofighter.airpower.at/bewaffnung.htm if y'all need any translations regarding this, just ask me. i am german and thus also speak german lol they quote 6 IRIS-Ts on that website but i honestly dont see why it couldn't do more than that. it just kinda doesnt make any sense to carry more than 4. we've seen pictures of double rails with IRIS-Ts but afaik no one has procured it yet 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: if y'all need any translations regarding this, just ask me. i am german and thus also speak german lol they quote 6 IRIS-Ts on that website but i honestly dont see why it couldn't do more than that. it just kinda doesnt make any sense to carry more than 4. we've seen pictures of double rails with IRIS-Ts but afaik no one has procured it yet 6 IRIS-T on the Multi purpose pylons and 2 extra on the outer pylons wich are fixed pylons for AIM9L or IRIS-T but those double racks would be juicy Edited December 24, 2022 by _Iluminas_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, _Iluminas_ said: 6 IRIS-T on the Multi purpose pylons and 2 extra on the outer pylons wich are fixed pylons for AIM9L or IRIS-T but those double racks would be juicy those fixed ones only do SRAAMs btw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: those fixed ones only do SRAAMs btw Thats what i meant with AIM 9 and IRIS-T Edited December 24, 2022 by _Iluminas_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 Just now, _Iluminas_ said: Thats what i meant with AIM 9 and IRIS-T yeah ik, i actually added that a couple of days ago to the original post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 00:14, Faster_Boiiiii said: The rocket motor of this missile is also rather special. Instead of using a constant thrust or dual stage(boost and sustain) motor, it uses a triple 'stage' motor. These stages include: 1. High thrust phase to get the missile away from the launching aircraft; 2. Lower thrust phase to allow the missile to turn as much as 180°(with lower Gs or higher turnrate); 3. High thrust phase to accelerate the missile to a top speed of about Mach 3 for higher range and a higher PK(or Probability of Kill). Isnt it actually a quadruple stage? In addition to the 3 already listed, a final 4th stage with (again) low thrust for keeping speed while cruisng to the target and keeping the thrust vector alive. So in total its hi-low-hi-low thrust Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: Isnt it actually a quadruple stage? In addition to the 3 already listed, a final 4th stage with (again) low thrust for keeping speed while cruisng to the target and keeping the thrust vector alive. So in total its hi-low-hi-low thrust oh yeah misread it as just the motor burning out and thus producing less and less thrust Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 So I've been doing some research on the DA1 prototype and I've come to the conclusion that it lacks countermeasures and most likely also an RWR. Reason being that it lacks the integrated flare dispensers(under the wing), the BOL dispensers(in the ITSPL), any sign of a rear MWS antenna(between the engines and above the drag chute flap) and has a completely different ESM pod(the wingtip pods, these contain RWR and ECM antennas) this is why i dont think that we'll see it in game. It's unfortunate because its one of the few Eurofighters that ever flew with the RB199 engines(yes, the Tornado's engines) If we're ever going to see a Eurofighter prototype(please gaijin, NOT AS AN EVENT VEHICLE), then its probably going to be the DA5... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: So I've been doing some research on the DA1 prototype and I've come to the conclusion that it lacks countermeasures and most likely also an RWR. Reason being that it lacks the integrated flare dispensers(under the wing), the BOL dispensers(in the ITSPL) That didnt matter for the F-5C getting flares nor the M6A2E1 getting its UFP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: That didnt matter for the F-5C getting flares nor the M6A2E1 getting its UFP i guess but that would require it to be a premium Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 found some more concept info on the Eurofighter ECR thats going to replace the Tornado ECR in its role in the German Air Force: Can't find the picture on airbus' website so this will have to do. Note that they seem to plan 3 1000L fuel tanks. Thats not so special but whats different is that 2 of the tanks are supposed to be placed on the inner most wing pylons. Currently they're only being mounted on the middle ones(where the Escort Jammer pods are in this concept) idk just seemed interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Jεcka 4,618 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) On the topic of the Eurofighter - do you guys thing we should make a dedicated thread to IRIS-T itself and collect all the available info on it there like the French players did for MICA? Edited December 26, 2022 by Holouu 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Godvana 533 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 Just now, Holouu said: On the topic of the Eurofighter - do you guys thing we should make a dedicated thread to IRIS-T itself and collect all the available info on it there like the French players did for MICA? That would probably be best, considering it's used by several fighters, German or otherwise. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Holouu said: On the topic of the Eurofighter - do you guys thing we should make a dedicated thread to IRIS-T itself and collect all the available info on it there like the French players did for MICA? That sounds like a wonderful idea 52 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: found some more concept info on the Eurofighter ECR thats going to replace the Tornado ECR in its role in the German Air Force: Can't find the picture on airbus' website so this will have to do. Note that they seem to plan 3 1000L fuel tanks. Thats not so special but whats different is that 2 of the tanks are supposed to be placed on the inner most wing pylons. Currently they're only being mounted on the middle ones(where the Escort Jammer pods are in this concept) idk just seemed interesting Can the Eurofighter mount the regular SPEAR missiles? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: Can the Eurofighter mount the regular SPEAR missiles? Yes, but apparently they are not yet in any regular service. Just prototyping at the moment Quote This firing test took place during March 2016 when a SPEAR trials missile was launched from a Eurofighter Typhoon trials aircraft operated by BAE Systems at the QinetiQ Aberporth range in Wales. The missile transitioned through separation from the Typhoon aircraft to powered flight before completing a series of manoeuvres, ending in a terminal dive to the desired point of impact. The missile accurately followed the planned trajectory and was well within simulation predictions; all trial objectives were achieved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: Can the Eurofighter mount the regular SPEAR missiles? It can well its advertised to be able to so i'm going to take their word for it ILA Berlin 2018 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: It can well its advertised to be able to so i'm going to take their word for it ILA Berlin 2018 That's an interesting double mount for those Paveways, and the SPEAR triple mount means a lot of ordinance if it comes to game 6 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: Yes, but apparently they are not yet in any regular service. Just prototyping at the moment Not totally surprising, Air-to-ground seems to have been put to the wayside on the first tranches Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 12 Share More sharing options... Followers 0
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Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 21, 2022 if you find any nice pictures, please add them here just make sure that they're German Eurofighters(the lack of the PIRATE IRST is a good indication in case you can't see the flag on the tail and/or the registration markings on the side) here is, what would appear to be, the 98-07 testbed(IPA 7, Instrumented Production Aircraft) during Taurus KEPD 350 integration trials. Any pictures of weapons like these with those black and white(sometimes also yellow and black) circles indicate that that weapon is used for testing. The blue stripe also indicates that its an inert weapon meaning that it does not contain a live warhead. Integration and flight tests of this weapon system on the Eurofighter have started in 2014 and are likely done by now(although i'm still looking for sources to confirm that). Airbus Defence and Space has presented the Taurus as a weapon for the Eurofighter which, to me, indicates that integration was done. Especially considering that it was, by MBDA officials, announced to be an easy integration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) So what would be an example of an full AA loadout. I found some bonker ones with like 10 Meteor and 2 IRIS-T mind u no pictures just reading up about it thats why i ask Edit: A picture from https://theaviationist.com/2021/02/14/eurofighter-shows-typhoon-in-beast-mode-with-14-meteor-beyond-visual-range-air-to-air-missiles/ wich they say is from here https://world.eurofighter.com/ Spoiler 14 Meteor and 2 IRIS-T Edited December 23, 2022 by _Iluminas_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, _Iluminas_ said: So what would be an example of an full AA loadout. I found some bonker ones with like 10 Meteor and 2 IRIS-T mind u no pictures just reading up about it thats why i ask Edit: A picture from https://theaviationist.com/2021/02/14/eurofighter-shows-typhoon-in-beast-mode-with-14-meteor-beyond-visual-range-air-to-air-missiles/ wich they say is from here https://world.eurofighter.com/ Hide contents 14 Meteor and 2 IRIS-T And I imagine some of the meteors can be swapped for the IRIS-T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: And I imagine some of the meteors can be swapped for the IRIS-T Well Theoreticall it should be able to carry 8 IRIS-T with 4 Meteor in the center because as far as i know the wing pylons exept the outermost ones can be MFRL from ACMA https://acma-missionmanagement.de/what-we-do/ wich can carry IRIS-T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, _Iluminas_ said: Well Theoreticall it should be able to carry 8 IRIS-T with 4 Meteor in the center because as far as i know the wing pylons exept the outermost ones can be MFRL from ACMA https://acma-missionmanagement.de/what-we-do/ wich can carry IRIS-T Theoretical is all that counts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: Theoretical is all that counts dont know if u know german but i found this here https://eurofighter.airpower.at/bewaffnung.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, _Iluminas_ said: dont know if u know german but i found this here https://eurofighter.airpower.at/bewaffnung.htm Neat, working on my german more and this will help Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Lord_Prism said: Neat, working on my german more and this will help 9 hours ago, _Iluminas_ said: dont know if u know german but i found this here https://eurofighter.airpower.at/bewaffnung.htm if y'all need any translations regarding this, just ask me. i am german and thus also speak german lol they quote 6 IRIS-Ts on that website but i honestly dont see why it couldn't do more than that. it just kinda doesnt make any sense to carry more than 4. we've seen pictures of double rails with IRIS-Ts but afaik no one has procured it yet 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: if y'all need any translations regarding this, just ask me. i am german and thus also speak german lol they quote 6 IRIS-Ts on that website but i honestly dont see why it couldn't do more than that. it just kinda doesnt make any sense to carry more than 4. we've seen pictures of double rails with IRIS-Ts but afaik no one has procured it yet 6 IRIS-T on the Multi purpose pylons and 2 extra on the outer pylons wich are fixed pylons for AIM9L or IRIS-T but those double racks would be juicy Edited December 24, 2022 by _Iluminas_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, _Iluminas_ said: 6 IRIS-T on the Multi purpose pylons and 2 extra on the outer pylons wich are fixed pylons for AIM9L or IRIS-T but those double racks would be juicy those fixed ones only do SRAAMs btw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: those fixed ones only do SRAAMs btw Thats what i meant with AIM 9 and IRIS-T Edited December 24, 2022 by _Iluminas_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 Just now, _Iluminas_ said: Thats what i meant with AIM 9 and IRIS-T yeah ik, i actually added that a couple of days ago to the original post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 00:14, Faster_Boiiiii said: The rocket motor of this missile is also rather special. Instead of using a constant thrust or dual stage(boost and sustain) motor, it uses a triple 'stage' motor. These stages include: 1. High thrust phase to get the missile away from the launching aircraft; 2. Lower thrust phase to allow the missile to turn as much as 180°(with lower Gs or higher turnrate); 3. High thrust phase to accelerate the missile to a top speed of about Mach 3 for higher range and a higher PK(or Probability of Kill). Isnt it actually a quadruple stage? In addition to the 3 already listed, a final 4th stage with (again) low thrust for keeping speed while cruisng to the target and keeping the thrust vector alive. So in total its hi-low-hi-low thrust Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: Isnt it actually a quadruple stage? In addition to the 3 already listed, a final 4th stage with (again) low thrust for keeping speed while cruisng to the target and keeping the thrust vector alive. So in total its hi-low-hi-low thrust oh yeah misread it as just the motor burning out and thus producing less and less thrust Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 So I've been doing some research on the DA1 prototype and I've come to the conclusion that it lacks countermeasures and most likely also an RWR. Reason being that it lacks the integrated flare dispensers(under the wing), the BOL dispensers(in the ITSPL), any sign of a rear MWS antenna(between the engines and above the drag chute flap) and has a completely different ESM pod(the wingtip pods, these contain RWR and ECM antennas) this is why i dont think that we'll see it in game. It's unfortunate because its one of the few Eurofighters that ever flew with the RB199 engines(yes, the Tornado's engines) If we're ever going to see a Eurofighter prototype(please gaijin, NOT AS AN EVENT VEHICLE), then its probably going to be the DA5... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: So I've been doing some research on the DA1 prototype and I've come to the conclusion that it lacks countermeasures and most likely also an RWR. Reason being that it lacks the integrated flare dispensers(under the wing), the BOL dispensers(in the ITSPL) That didnt matter for the F-5C getting flares nor the M6A2E1 getting its UFP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: That didnt matter for the F-5C getting flares nor the M6A2E1 getting its UFP i guess but that would require it to be a premium Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 found some more concept info on the Eurofighter ECR thats going to replace the Tornado ECR in its role in the German Air Force: Can't find the picture on airbus' website so this will have to do. Note that they seem to plan 3 1000L fuel tanks. Thats not so special but whats different is that 2 of the tanks are supposed to be placed on the inner most wing pylons. Currently they're only being mounted on the middle ones(where the Escort Jammer pods are in this concept) idk just seemed interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jεcka 4,618 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) On the topic of the Eurofighter - do you guys thing we should make a dedicated thread to IRIS-T itself and collect all the available info on it there like the French players did for MICA? Edited December 26, 2022 by Holouu 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godvana 533 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 Just now, Holouu said: On the topic of the Eurofighter - do you guys thing we should make a dedicated thread to IRIS-T itself and collect all the available info on it there like the French players did for MICA? That would probably be best, considering it's used by several fighters, German or otherwise. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Holouu said: On the topic of the Eurofighter - do you guys thing we should make a dedicated thread to IRIS-T itself and collect all the available info on it there like the French players did for MICA? That sounds like a wonderful idea 52 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: found some more concept info on the Eurofighter ECR thats going to replace the Tornado ECR in its role in the German Air Force: Can't find the picture on airbus' website so this will have to do. Note that they seem to plan 3 1000L fuel tanks. Thats not so special but whats different is that 2 of the tanks are supposed to be placed on the inner most wing pylons. Currently they're only being mounted on the middle ones(where the Escort Jammer pods are in this concept) idk just seemed interesting Can the Eurofighter mount the regular SPEAR missiles? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: Can the Eurofighter mount the regular SPEAR missiles? Yes, but apparently they are not yet in any regular service. Just prototyping at the moment Quote This firing test took place during March 2016 when a SPEAR trials missile was launched from a Eurofighter Typhoon trials aircraft operated by BAE Systems at the QinetiQ Aberporth range in Wales. The missile transitioned through separation from the Typhoon aircraft to powered flight before completing a series of manoeuvres, ending in a terminal dive to the desired point of impact. The missile accurately followed the planned trajectory and was well within simulation predictions; all trial objectives were achieved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: Can the Eurofighter mount the regular SPEAR missiles? It can well its advertised to be able to so i'm going to take their word for it ILA Berlin 2018 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: It can well its advertised to be able to so i'm going to take their word for it ILA Berlin 2018 That's an interesting double mount for those Paveways, and the SPEAR triple mount means a lot of ordinance if it comes to game 6 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: Yes, but apparently they are not yet in any regular service. Just prototyping at the moment Not totally surprising, Air-to-ground seems to have been put to the wayside on the first tranches Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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i think the Meteor also deserves its own post as the primary long range weaponry of the 3 Eurocanards but I haven't really looked into that too much yet so I'm lacking sources.
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