Posted May 9, 2023 i think the Meteor also deserves its own post as the primary long range weaponry of the 3 Eurocanards but I haven't really looked into that too much yet so I'm lacking sources. @MBDA_Meteor do you have any to share? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Lord_Prism said: That's an interesting double mount for those Paveways, and the SPEAR triple mount means a lot of ordinance if it comes to game the SPEAR is the third from the left.... the one with the quatruple rail lmao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: the SPEAR is the third from the left.... the one with the quatruple rail lmao Ahhh I see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: Ahhh I see Spoiler here on a gripen, thats why i marked it as a spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: Hide contents here on a gripen, thats why i marked it as a spoiler A lot of ordinance then, good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: A lot of ordinance then, good i was only partially correct. the SPEAR can also be used on the triple rail launcher like the Brimstone https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=20537 the quad launcher seems to have been designed to fit into the F-35's weapons bay while still being able to fit one air to air missile(like an amraam). that doesnt mean that they're incompatible with the eurofighter though. https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=20573 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: i was only partially correct. the SPEAR can also be used on the triple rail launcher like the Brimstone https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=20537 the quad launcher seems to have been designed to fit into the F-35's weapons bay while still being able to fit one air to air missile(like an amraam). that doesnt mean that they're incompatible with the eurofighter though. https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=20573 The SPEAR-EW I've seen to be mounted on the triple rack only, with the regular SPEAR on both Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 27, 2022 13 hours ago, Lord_Prism said: The SPEAR-EW I've seen to be mounted on the triple rack only, with the regular SPEAR on both thats what they've shown but its most likely also compatible with the quad launcher, especially because its said to be integrated with the F-35. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 27, 2022 On 24/12/2022 at 10:59, Faster_Boiiiii said: they quote 6 IRIS-Ts on that website but i honestly dont see why it couldn't do more than that. it just kinda doesnt make any sense to carry more than 4. we've seen pictures of double rails with IRIS-Ts I can see IRIS being quite important to the Typhoon atleast ingame as it in combination with the MAWS can serve as hardkill system against enemy missiles. So more IRIS-T equal more survivability Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted January 3, 2023 I know the Brits use a 2 seat trainer Eurofighter, are they the only ones to do so? I cant find a whole lot on if Germany uses 2 seat Eurofighters as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spacenavy90 1,402 Report post Posted January 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: I know the Brits use a 2 seat trainer Eurofighter, are they the only ones to do so? I cant find a whole lot on if Germany uses 2 seat Eurofighters as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted January 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, spacenavy90 said: Gonna yoink this thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) Soooo, the DA 1 did NOT have an IFF system... neither did the DA 2, DA 3 or DA 7. Unfortunate for the British lads as well Edited January 5, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Bugblox 57 Report post Posted January 12, 2023 how do the early typhoons compare to the early f16s? we could see them quite soon if they have similar capabilities considering they added the j7 back when we had 60's planes because it had similar capabilities Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Jεcka 4,618 Report post Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Bugblox said: how do the early typhoons compare to the early f16s? we could see them quite soon if they have similar capabilities considering they added the j7 back when we had 60's planes because it had similar capabilities Tranche 1 Block 5 Eurofighter would be comparable in weaponary superior to the current F-16A, as it'd have AIM-9Ls (maybe Li/Li-1s) and AIM-120s (not suer if B or C variants), and have far greater PWR and better radar and manouverability. Tranche 2 Block 10 Eurofighter (using AIM-120C-5s) completely outclasses the F-16A MLU and would be more comparable to F-16C/D Block 52+ in its capabilites, albeit still better I'd say (not an expert tho - so for a detailed breakdown, refer to @Faster_Boiiiii ). Edited January 12, 2023 by Holouu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Holouu said: Tranche 1 Block 5 Eurofighter would be comparable in weaponary to the current F-16A, as it'd only have AIM-9Ls (maybe Li/Li-1s), albeit far greater PWR and better radar and manouverability. And AMRAAM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Ghost_Xiphidion 894 Report post Posted January 12, 2023 looking at end game balance at what will likely be 12.0, we'll probably see at least Tranche 2 Block 10 if not both that and Tranche 1 Block 5 in addition to a Mig-29. That would give Germany some decent top tier competition when you compare it to what other nations will probably end up with, F-15's for US, Japan, Israel, probably Su-30 or 37's for Russia, Rafael, etc ... That BR compression is getting insane but at least at top tier they can start doing things like quantitative MM. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Ghost_Xiphidion 894 Report post Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) The way I'm looking at it is from top down match making and how Gaijin's is going to build on the current power creep... for me, they're going to fill in the 11.3 and 11.7 gaps before introducing 12.0 aircraft, and I think 12 will be the final power creep. The Eurofighters that Germany and other nations will likely get, even the early versions like the 1/5, are a little too advanced for the current step in War Thunder at 11.3 and 11.7. I think it's more likely we will first see the East German Mig-29 and/or F4F ICE at 11.7. When Gaijin gets there, 12.0 will represent the best of the best in each line, and BVR will be the meta. I am hoping against hope that Gaijin recognizes how ludicrously unfair it would be to give Germany a 12.0 crown jewel that didn't have BVR, so I think Tranche 2 Block 10 will come first. Then after all the tech trees fill out nicely at 12, the Tranche 1 Block 5 will be added, also at 12, to beef up the line-up for ground RB or air AB. The 1/5 can't be added first both because it lacked BVR capabilities and also because it's far over-powered to be 11.3 or 11.7. if Gaijin does indeed see 12.0 as the cap, all the nations will be added that way I think... or maybe the better sentiment is "I hope" ... A competitive air superiority vehicle for each nation at 12.0 *first*, then additional maybe not as competitive but still better than 11.7 vehicles so players can create line-ups with them. EDIT if we're saying that 1/5 *does* get BVR then that opens the door for either to be added first, but I still think if both are going to be added, 2/10 will be first. Edited January 13, 2023 by Ghost_Xiphidion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spacenavy90 1,402 Report post Posted January 13, 2023 18 hours ago, Holouu said: Tranche 1 Block 5 Eurofighter would ... have AIM-120s (not suer if B or C variants), Early Eurofighters used the B variant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireball_2020 467 Report post Posted January 14, 2023 On 12/12/2022 at 00:39, Lord_Prism said: In terms of acrobatics and engine power, how strong would the DA1 prototype be compared to say the F-16 or MiG-29 coming soon? It has 17,000lbf per engine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted January 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fireball_2020 said: It has 17,000lbf per engine. Thats with the EJ200s right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Fireball_2020 467 Report post Posted January 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord_Prism said: Thats with the EJ200s right? No MK104D’s, the EJ200’s go up to 20,232lbf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted January 14, 2023 50 minutes ago, Fireball_2020 said: No MK104D’s, the EJ200’s go up to 20,232lbf Im used to reading KGs that why it seemed weird, and as said earlier in the thread thats without channel loss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... SPANISH_AVENGER 11,789 Report post Posted January 15, 2023 How can people be hyping up about Eurofighter already? I doubt it's coming anytime soon. For reference: back in 2010, there was a Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training (DACT) dogfight exercise in the Canary islands between the U.S air force and the Spanish air force, where six (6) Eurofighters of the 11 Escuadrón faced off eight (8) F-15Cs from the 493rd Fighter Squadron (493rd FS). The Typhoons defeated the F-15Cs without breaking as much as a single sweat. Actually, only TWO of the Eurofighters even saw action during the exercise. One of them took down 4x F-15Cs on its own and, the other, another 3x F-15Cs. Last remaining F-15C gave up. Not a single Eurofighter was taken down. They had superior maneuverability, energy retention, acceleration, and climbing abilities. There's a reason why they developed thrust vectoring for the Eurofighter but they never installed it; it's considered to be unneccesary. Eurofighter already has 5th gen fighter flight performance, even without thrust vectoring! TLDR: 2x Eurofighters defeated 8x F-15Cs in a dogfight training exercise. That should say enough about Eurofighter's capabilities. So... yeah. I wouldn't expect to see Eurofighter Typhoon until we start getting stuff like Super Hornets and Su-35s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... ARK_BOI 810 Report post Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SPANISH_AVENGER said: How can people be hyping up about Eurofighter already? I doubt it's coming anytime soon. For reference: back in 2010, there was a Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training (DACT) dogfight exercise in the Canary islands between the U.S air force and the Spanish air force, where six (6) Eurofighters of the 11 Escuadrón faced off eight (8) F-15Cs from the 493rd Fighter Squadron (493rd FS). The Typhoons defeated the F-15Cs without breaking as much as a single sweat. Actually, only TWO of the Eurofighters even saw action during the exercise. One of them took down 4x F-15Cs on its own and, the other, another 3x F-15Cs. Last remaining F-15C gave up. Not a single Eurofighter was taken down. They had superior maneuverability, energy retention, acceleration, and climbing abilities. There's a reason why they developed thrust vectoring for the Eurofighter but they never installed it; it's considered to be unneccesary. Eurofighter already has 5th gen fighter flight performance, even without thrust vectoring! TLDR: 2x Eurofighters defeated 8x F-15Cs in a dogfight training exercise. That should say enough about Eurofighter's capabilities. So... yeah. I wouldn't expect to see Eurofighter Typhoon until we start getting stuff like Super Hornets and Su-35s. Yeah but I hope for F4F ICE to coming first enough of GDR planes (Yeah German don’t need mig 29 F4F ICE is what they need) Edited January 15, 2023 by ARK_BOI 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted January 15, 2023 Just a Question dose the AMK kit include the thrustvector engines? Dose anyone know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 12 Share More sharing options... 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Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Lord_Prism said: That's an interesting double mount for those Paveways, and the SPEAR triple mount means a lot of ordinance if it comes to game the SPEAR is the third from the left.... the one with the quatruple rail lmao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: the SPEAR is the third from the left.... the one with the quatruple rail lmao Ahhh I see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: Ahhh I see Spoiler here on a gripen, thats why i marked it as a spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: Hide contents here on a gripen, thats why i marked it as a spoiler A lot of ordinance then, good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: A lot of ordinance then, good i was only partially correct. the SPEAR can also be used on the triple rail launcher like the Brimstone https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=20537 the quad launcher seems to have been designed to fit into the F-35's weapons bay while still being able to fit one air to air missile(like an amraam). that doesnt mean that they're incompatible with the eurofighter though. https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=20573 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted December 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: i was only partially correct. the SPEAR can also be used on the triple rail launcher like the Brimstone https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=20537 the quad launcher seems to have been designed to fit into the F-35's weapons bay while still being able to fit one air to air missile(like an amraam). that doesnt mean that they're incompatible with the eurofighter though. https://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=20573 The SPEAR-EW I've seen to be mounted on the triple rack only, with the regular SPEAR on both Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 27, 2022 13 hours ago, Lord_Prism said: The SPEAR-EW I've seen to be mounted on the triple rack only, with the regular SPEAR on both thats what they've shown but its most likely also compatible with the quad launcher, especially because its said to be integrated with the F-35. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 27, 2022 On 24/12/2022 at 10:59, Faster_Boiiiii said: they quote 6 IRIS-Ts on that website but i honestly dont see why it couldn't do more than that. it just kinda doesnt make any sense to carry more than 4. we've seen pictures of double rails with IRIS-Ts I can see IRIS being quite important to the Typhoon atleast ingame as it in combination with the MAWS can serve as hardkill system against enemy missiles. So more IRIS-T equal more survivability Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted January 3, 2023 I know the Brits use a 2 seat trainer Eurofighter, are they the only ones to do so? I cant find a whole lot on if Germany uses 2 seat Eurofighters as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacenavy90 1,402 Report post Posted January 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: I know the Brits use a 2 seat trainer Eurofighter, are they the only ones to do so? I cant find a whole lot on if Germany uses 2 seat Eurofighters as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted January 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, spacenavy90 said: Gonna yoink this thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) Soooo, the DA 1 did NOT have an IFF system... neither did the DA 2, DA 3 or DA 7. Unfortunate for the British lads as well Edited January 5, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugblox 57 Report post Posted January 12, 2023 how do the early typhoons compare to the early f16s? we could see them quite soon if they have similar capabilities considering they added the j7 back when we had 60's planes because it had similar capabilities Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jεcka 4,618 Report post Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Bugblox said: how do the early typhoons compare to the early f16s? we could see them quite soon if they have similar capabilities considering they added the j7 back when we had 60's planes because it had similar capabilities Tranche 1 Block 5 Eurofighter would be comparable in weaponary superior to the current F-16A, as it'd have AIM-9Ls (maybe Li/Li-1s) and AIM-120s (not suer if B or C variants), and have far greater PWR and better radar and manouverability. Tranche 2 Block 10 Eurofighter (using AIM-120C-5s) completely outclasses the F-16A MLU and would be more comparable to F-16C/D Block 52+ in its capabilites, albeit still better I'd say (not an expert tho - so for a detailed breakdown, refer to @Faster_Boiiiii ). Edited January 12, 2023 by Holouu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Holouu said: Tranche 1 Block 5 Eurofighter would be comparable in weaponary to the current F-16A, as it'd only have AIM-9Ls (maybe Li/Li-1s), albeit far greater PWR and better radar and manouverability. And AMRAAM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Xiphidion 894 Report post Posted January 12, 2023 looking at end game balance at what will likely be 12.0, we'll probably see at least Tranche 2 Block 10 if not both that and Tranche 1 Block 5 in addition to a Mig-29. That would give Germany some decent top tier competition when you compare it to what other nations will probably end up with, F-15's for US, Japan, Israel, probably Su-30 or 37's for Russia, Rafael, etc ... That BR compression is getting insane but at least at top tier they can start doing things like quantitative MM. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Xiphidion 894 Report post Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) The way I'm looking at it is from top down match making and how Gaijin's is going to build on the current power creep... for me, they're going to fill in the 11.3 and 11.7 gaps before introducing 12.0 aircraft, and I think 12 will be the final power creep. The Eurofighters that Germany and other nations will likely get, even the early versions like the 1/5, are a little too advanced for the current step in War Thunder at 11.3 and 11.7. I think it's more likely we will first see the East German Mig-29 and/or F4F ICE at 11.7. When Gaijin gets there, 12.0 will represent the best of the best in each line, and BVR will be the meta. I am hoping against hope that Gaijin recognizes how ludicrously unfair it would be to give Germany a 12.0 crown jewel that didn't have BVR, so I think Tranche 2 Block 10 will come first. Then after all the tech trees fill out nicely at 12, the Tranche 1 Block 5 will be added, also at 12, to beef up the line-up for ground RB or air AB. The 1/5 can't be added first both because it lacked BVR capabilities and also because it's far over-powered to be 11.3 or 11.7. if Gaijin does indeed see 12.0 as the cap, all the nations will be added that way I think... or maybe the better sentiment is "I hope" ... A competitive air superiority vehicle for each nation at 12.0 *first*, then additional maybe not as competitive but still better than 11.7 vehicles so players can create line-ups with them. EDIT if we're saying that 1/5 *does* get BVR then that opens the door for either to be added first, but I still think if both are going to be added, 2/10 will be first. Edited January 13, 2023 by Ghost_Xiphidion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacenavy90 1,402 Report post Posted January 13, 2023 18 hours ago, Holouu said: Tranche 1 Block 5 Eurofighter would ... have AIM-120s (not suer if B or C variants), Early Eurofighters used the B variant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball_2020 467 Report post Posted January 14, 2023 On 12/12/2022 at 00:39, Lord_Prism said: In terms of acrobatics and engine power, how strong would the DA1 prototype be compared to say the F-16 or MiG-29 coming soon? It has 17,000lbf per engine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted January 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fireball_2020 said: It has 17,000lbf per engine. Thats with the EJ200s right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball_2020 467 Report post Posted January 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord_Prism said: Thats with the EJ200s right? No MK104D’s, the EJ200’s go up to 20,232lbf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,827 Report post Posted January 14, 2023 50 minutes ago, Fireball_2020 said: No MK104D’s, the EJ200’s go up to 20,232lbf Im used to reading KGs that why it seemed weird, and as said earlier in the thread thats without channel loss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPANISH_AVENGER 11,789 Report post Posted January 15, 2023 How can people be hyping up about Eurofighter already? I doubt it's coming anytime soon. For reference: back in 2010, there was a Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training (DACT) dogfight exercise in the Canary islands between the U.S air force and the Spanish air force, where six (6) Eurofighters of the 11 Escuadrón faced off eight (8) F-15Cs from the 493rd Fighter Squadron (493rd FS). The Typhoons defeated the F-15Cs without breaking as much as a single sweat. Actually, only TWO of the Eurofighters even saw action during the exercise. One of them took down 4x F-15Cs on its own and, the other, another 3x F-15Cs. Last remaining F-15C gave up. Not a single Eurofighter was taken down. They had superior maneuverability, energy retention, acceleration, and climbing abilities. There's a reason why they developed thrust vectoring for the Eurofighter but they never installed it; it's considered to be unneccesary. Eurofighter already has 5th gen fighter flight performance, even without thrust vectoring! TLDR: 2x Eurofighters defeated 8x F-15Cs in a dogfight training exercise. That should say enough about Eurofighter's capabilities. So... yeah. I wouldn't expect to see Eurofighter Typhoon until we start getting stuff like Super Hornets and Su-35s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARK_BOI 810 Report post Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SPANISH_AVENGER said: How can people be hyping up about Eurofighter already? I doubt it's coming anytime soon. For reference: back in 2010, there was a Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training (DACT) dogfight exercise in the Canary islands between the U.S air force and the Spanish air force, where six (6) Eurofighters of the 11 Escuadrón faced off eight (8) F-15Cs from the 493rd Fighter Squadron (493rd FS). The Typhoons defeated the F-15Cs without breaking as much as a single sweat. Actually, only TWO of the Eurofighters even saw action during the exercise. One of them took down 4x F-15Cs on its own and, the other, another 3x F-15Cs. Last remaining F-15C gave up. Not a single Eurofighter was taken down. They had superior maneuverability, energy retention, acceleration, and climbing abilities. There's a reason why they developed thrust vectoring for the Eurofighter but they never installed it; it's considered to be unneccesary. Eurofighter already has 5th gen fighter flight performance, even without thrust vectoring! TLDR: 2x Eurofighters defeated 8x F-15Cs in a dogfight training exercise. That should say enough about Eurofighter's capabilities. So... yeah. I wouldn't expect to see Eurofighter Typhoon until we start getting stuff like Super Hornets and Su-35s. Yeah but I hope for F4F ICE to coming first enough of GDR planes (Yeah German don’t need mig 29 F4F ICE is what they need) Edited January 15, 2023 by ARK_BOI 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted January 15, 2023 Just a Question dose the AMK kit include the thrustvector engines? Dose anyone know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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i think the Meteor also deserves its own post as the primary long range weaponry of the 3 Eurocanards but I haven't really looked into that too much yet so I'm lacking sources.
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