uk tree Khalid - Dead On Arrival

[Mix_Hound 16]

As it stands now, the Khalid is currently sitting at br 9.0 for some mind-boggling reason. It has no thermal devices; it does not have access to APFSDS ammunition (It uses the L15A3 APDS ammunition which is found on the Chieftan Mk.3 which sits at br 8.3) and the only thing it has going for it is a 1200hp engine and yet Gaijin decided that a powerful engine was enough to put it in the 9.0 bracket along with a price tag of nearly $50.

For those who are familiar with the Chieftan tanks already in-game than you probably already know that their performance is already somewhat lack-luster as they are the slowest MBT's in the game when it comes to mobility and gun handling (max reload for all variants is 7.5 seconds with an ace crew, and the only variant that has access to APFSDS ammunition is the Chieftan Mk. 10 utilizing the L23 APFSDS which is also a mediocre round for its br) and to top it off, the br ranges at which the Chieftan Mk.5 (8.7) and Chieftan Mk.10 (9.0) sit at are already questionable as they are out-performed by other tanks within the same br ranges.

And now with the introduction of the Khalid, it’s sad to say that it is not worth grabbing as it sits right now, as it has nothing special going on for it at its current br, other than its 1200hp engine. (Imagine having to fight Leopard 2A4’s and T-80B’s with only APDS ammunition).

 

If its br was lowered to 8.3~8.7 and if it was given an efficient APFSDS round, then MAYBE it would be a machine worth picking up, but as of now there are alot of issues that need to be addressed with this tank, as it is not worth the $50 price tag

 

Edit: I did some more research and apparently the Khalid entered service with Jordanian army in 1981, so around this time the L23A1 would have been it's main service round.                                                         

Edited December 28, 2022 by Mix_Hound

[Traslogan 147]

All chieftains are way too high BR for what they are capable of. Germany doesn't get punished for having a fast Leo 1 at 7.3 with an 8.0 gun but Britain gets a chieftain uptiered to 8.7 because it's 4MPH faster than the Mk3 one and has no other advantage in any form.

Khalid should be 8.3 if it isn't getting APFSDS, the speed isn't a redeeming factor to useless ammo.

[SlowHandClap 519]

Just more UK bias. 

 

Tornado GR.1 is a 10.7 aircraft pretending to be a rank 8. 

 

Somewhat funny, although expected, that they've somehow managed to make the british version far worse than the German and Italian versions, even though all three should be the same. 

Edited December 20, 2022 by SlowHandClap

[KilianL 865]

i looked quickly and yeah.... there DM33 with thermal slinger at the same battle rating : hard pass for now.

 

added L23, historical or not, i would maybe reconsider.

Edited December 20, 2022 by KilianL
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[Valcour 1,141]

53 minutes ago, Traslogan said:

All chieftains are way too high BR for what they are capable of. Germany doesn't get punished for having a fast Leo 1 at 7.3 with an 8.0 gun 

Don't forget the DF-105 which is also 7.3.

[KilgrenDethlodan 2]

8 hours ago, KilianL said:

added L23, historical or not, i would maybe reconsider.

Historically Khalid's carried L23A1, there was a dev server bugreport made about it, evidently nothing happened and that needs to be re made.

If they gave it its historical ammo it might be worth it, otherwise its just worthless.

[_Kolonel_Klink_ 390]

Challenger DS all over again, historical issues.

[Godvana 533]

11 hours ago, Valcour said:

Don't forget the DF-105 which is also 7.3.

 

7.7 actually 

[DrPhibes1 777]

Aye they have really messed up it should be 8.7 and the mk 5 go down to 8.3 and then see stats wise what happens, was interested in getting this as a fast chieftan sounds awesome but at the same BR as one with decent turret armour (was when I played it a lot of apfds has creeped into this BR range now) and an potemt round is very odd.

 

If its gets the l23 It would be superior to the mk10, mk10 maybe should go 8.7 and Khalid 9.0.

[Traslogan 147]

Here's the easiest logic:
If this was on Germany or Soviets in this state, would it be at this BR?

Hell no. It would have started 1.0BR lower with better ammo and only uptiered if it absolutely decimates everything.

[qpranger 1,887]

13 hours ago, _Kolonel_Klink_ said:

Challenger DS all over again, historical issues.

 

More like hysterical.

This Khalid should be 8.3.

[cam64viper 8]

As an avid Cold War tank fan, it really makes me sad that one of my favorite tank lines is completely useless in-game. They were known for their amazing armor and solid gun, but also had miserable reliability and were very slow. This whole thread so far is a lot of players upset by the vehicle's current BR and it should get equalized to be playble.

 

What I'm really interested in is, how the hell did it get up this high? I've only been in the community for 2 years now so I don't know how it was, maybe it overperformed early-on and got BR-****? Maybe the exceptionally good players got a hold of it and did the statistics-swaying thing from simply playing?

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

35 minutes ago, cam64viper said:

As an avid Cold War tank fan, it really makes me sad that one of my favorite tank lines is completely useless in-game. They were known for their amazing armor and solid gun, but also had miserable reliability and were very slow. This whole thread so far is a lot of players upset by the vehicle's current BR and it should get equalized to be playble.

 

What I'm really interested in is,  how the hell did it get up this high?  I've only been in the community for 2 years now so I don't know how it was, maybe it overperformed early-on and got BR-****? Maybe the exceptionally good players got a hold of it and did the statistics-swaying thing from simply playing?

 

BR compression, more and more has been added to the game from vehicles to mechanics like thermals, flooding 8.3-9.0 BR with APFSDS and the Chieftains have never really moved.

 

Why is the Khalid 9.0?

Who knows

Maybe Gaijoob thought the mobility was some kind of tradeoff against the Chieftain Mk 10s armour, even though the Mk 10 is arguably horribly overtiered

Even the OF-40 MTCA was recently moved to 8.7 and the power-to-weight ratio is better than the Khalid

Edited December 24, 2022 by llSolitairell@psn

[SGTBushong 15]

Hopefully there are either additional rounds added to it or the BR is lowered. Until then I don't see a lot of players being interested in this vehicle.

[pakmonkey 178]

On 23/12/2022 at 16:30, cam64viper said:

What I'm really interested in is, how the hell did it get up this high? I've only been in the community for 2 years now so I don't know how it was, maybe it overperformed early-on and got BR-****?

Yup. Played well early in its life then was abandoned once vastly superior vehicles were introduced to other nations. Thus they artificially retain their stats. In current war thunder no one understands how the t-62m1 is now 8.7 or how t-64a is the same BR as chief mk10. And check this, olifant mk2 is the same BR as chief mk10 while being better in every conceivable way possible. Khalid is an absolute joke at 9.0 being a glorified mk5 

[Hartsy1 32]

Genuinely shocked that this thing sits at 9.0 meanwhile the WMA301 sits at 8.3 with better mobility, apfsds, tandem warheads, proximity ammunition for helicopters, thermals, a laser range finder and... It sits at a lower br.. So not only will it get to cap points first, it will also get to shooting positions before the Cheiftain it will also be able to more easily detect the it thanks to the thermals. This is just an example of what it's up against at lower br's, let alone what it'll face at 10.0 with leopard 2k, PT-16, m1 abrams, t80s, 2a4s, amx 32/40s to name afew. Slapping a 1200hp engine in a cheiftain doesn't change the lack of armour, thermals or apfsds at or at lower br's. 

[Dirtbag_Jim 97]

On 27/12/2022 at 11:18, Hartsy1 said:

Genuinely shocked that this thing sits at 9.0 meanwhile the WMA301 sits at 8.3

 

 

Should be 8.7 with L23A1

Edited January 5, 2023 by Dirtbag_Jim
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[GhostHunterFTW 37]

I really hope the Khalid gets buffed, either by getting its L23 round or getting downtiered. It's one of the most expensive GE vehicles yet it's also one of the worst at its BR.

[WNxDavid990 166]

Whelp, this thing just got buffed. L23 for the Khalid makes it a slightly faster, less armoured version of the MK.10

[Whiskey_077 1,785]

9 hours ago, WNxDavid990 said:

Whelp, this thing just got buffed. L23 for the Khalid makes it a slightly faster, less armoured version of the MK.10

 

But still waiting for that in 8.7 not in 9.0

[MotorolaCRO 756]

11 hours ago, Whisky_077 said:

But still waiting for that in 8.7 not in 9.0

With a dart Khalid looks like a direct competitor to the T-64A (1971), so I don't see a reason why it should go down to 8.7. 

[WNxDavid990 166]

Only thing it lacks is armour. Which i suppose makes it's current BR acceptable as premiums should never be better than TT variants, though we know that doesn't happen. 

[_Kolonel_Klink_ 390]

Khalid now gets L23 at 9.0 but Challenger DS can't get L26 or ERA at 9.7 - to be fair if it had ERA and L26 it should be at 10.0 as the tech tree Challenger Mk.3 does, but it's a glaring oversight from Gaijin. Oh wait this is British tech tree so mistakes and historical issues get ignored, it seems.

[MotorolaCRO 756]

Khalid is brilliant, as far as Justin's concerned. 

 

[WNxDavid990 166]

It's a lot better now with the buffs it got. Britain finally has a decent 9.0 to match other nations.