Mavericks and Bombs Don't Kill Ground Targets Anymore

[F_16A 1,581]

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I had 4 Mavs and 1 GBU 8 that just "hit" a target.

 

I literally could not get a kill with a Maverick despite hitting tanks in the turret roof. Or 2,000lb bombs just harmlessly exploding inside (yes inside) of tanks.

 

I mean, LOOK at this:

 

 

[Batwingsix 721]

The mav's hit the breach and barrel which ate them... not broken, just bad hits since the automatic target is center mass of the vehicle so any direct top hits will automatically hit the breach unless fired from a non direct top down and they will do more consistent damage.

[Lolman345 588]

All HEAT rounds have more or less lost their overpressure potential along with a majority of bombs, mostly the smaller caliber ones loosing any semblance of AOE they once had as well. The Mark 81 is nearly unusable as a bomb now as landing one ontop of a hostile tank will sometimes do outright nothing and cause a hit.

 

This was not the case a few patches ago where AGM-65s had overpressure and bombs had the same effect, it really seems like the mechanic is just gone as even stuff that reliably overpressured light vehicles like large caliber russian HEAT and TOWs dont seem to do anything of the sort now too.

[F_16A 1,581]

36 minutes ago, Batwingsix said:

The mav's hit the breach and barrel which ate them... not broken, just bad hits since the automatic target is center mass of the vehicle so any direct top hits will automatically hit the breach unless fired from a non direct top down and they will do more consistent damage.

You're kidding? No really, you are.

 

They're almost a 60kg explosive equivalent warhead. They are practically a 250lb bomb--I shouldn't have any issue NUKING anything when they slam into a turret, or hull, or track, like that. Their explosive mass alone should blow a hole clean through whatever it is it hits. It has more quintuple (5x) the explosive mass of a of a shell from the British G6

 

Also, my second 2,000lb bomb did nothing, just a hit. HE mechanics are BROKEN.

 

You 

30 minutes ago, Lolman345 said:

All HEAT rounds have more or less lost their overpressure potential along with a majority of bombs, mostly the smaller caliber ones loosing any semblance of AOE they once had as well. The Mark 81 is nearly unusable as a bomb now as landing one ontop of a hostile tank will sometimes do outright nothing and cause a hit.

 

This was not the case a few patches ago where AGM-65s had overpressure and bombs had the same effect, it really seems like the mechanic is just gone as even stuff that reliably overpressured light vehicles like large caliber russian HEAT and TOWs dont seem to do anything of the sort now too.

One of the dumbest things they have done so far.

 

Mav = 52kg EE

 

Mk81's = even more than that.

 

Even with the American 3,000lb demo bombs you'll still get hits. 

Edited December 26, 2022 by F_16A

[ARK_BOI 810]

Meanwhile Mig 27k with kh 25 bs don’t need direct hit to kill something 

well Russians special i guess

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

For HEAT rounds that's pretty normal, because it's not working by creating an explosion blast, but sending forward melted metal of some sorts (mostly Copper/Ore and sometime aluminium).

 

For bombs, if you have used explosives, you would know that a low amount of it will not have power enough to create a Blast, which might be the reason why the overpressure is reduced.

 

Even more, the blast have little to no effect into the tank compartiment if this one is completely sealed, because the air into the compartment can't be bend.

 

That's nothing abnormal.

 

Also, for the video, the 1st AGM-65 hit on the barrel, and the elements remainning, such as shrapnels, are absorbed by ERA Blocks. The 2nd missile is a bit more confusing, but if the ennemy stands still, there is a high probability that the missile also hit on the barrel.

 

It happenned before the update, so it's not a bug.

Edited December 26, 2022 by Cpt_Bel_V

[PlumleyBT 2,980]

3 hours ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

For HEAT rounds that's pretty normal, because it's not working by creating an explosion blast, but sending forward melted metal of some sorts (mostly Copper/Ore and sometime aluminium).

 

Ahahahahahahahahahahahah

57kg explosive in A, B, D, H and 135kg in E, F, G, J, K but yeah, the explosive blast is nothing.

HEAT, high explosive anti tank warheads do not melt nothing, it's penetration do not depend on temperature, but relies on extreme pressure to make the copper cone turn into a hypersonic stream and kinetically penetrate the armor.

It's called Munroe effect.

Edited December 26, 2022 by PlumleyBT

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

1 hour ago, PlumleyBT said:

Ahahahahahahahahahahahah

57kg explosive in A, B, D, H and 135kg in E, F, G, J, K but yeah, the explosive blast is nothing.

HEAT, high explosive anti tank warheads do not melt nothing, it's penetration do not depend on temperature, but relies on extreme pressure to make the copper cone turn into a hypersonic stream and kinetically penetrate the armor.

It's called Munroe effect.

If it was only HE modelized, it would simply have overpressure, but no penetration value.

 

This is HEAT modelized, and HEAT are modelized as tank rounds, so it is currently projecting metal.

 

Now, you can be sassy or ignorant, i do only talked about in game modelisation.

[Lolman345 588]

3 hours ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

If it was only HE modelized, it would simply have overpressure, but no penetration value.

You sure about that, given the rather infamous panther vs HE photos exist? Overpressure is ignoring the armor and killing humans via the pressure wave in game through open compartments and such, the penetration value is the physical ability of a round to do this in the case of HE. The explosive force against a plate is valid penetrating power, overpressure is a completely different function of that same penetrating power.

Spoiler

 If you really want a in game example HESH in it's current state only functions based upon it's actual penetration currently, defeating armor and creating a spall pattern based upon the armor defeated. Issue is that stuff like the trashbin of boom of the ARVE lacks any sort of overpressure or pressure wave capable of killing crew most of the time. 

 

In this same vein HEAT rounds generate a overpressure wave just like a HE round, but you have the penetrating action being carried out by a different function of the warhead, yes the wave does still have penetration, but in most cases its so minute its not relevant, but its more than enough to still kill humans. 

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

29 minutes ago, Lolman345 said:

You sure about that, given the rather infamous panther vs HE photos exist?

Talk about the 830mm penetration value,... not about the explosive disrupting the armor.

[Lolman345 588]

7 minutes ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

Talk about the 830mm penetration value,... not about the explosive disrupting the armor.

Yes the 57kg HEAT warhead has enough filler to have high explosive penetration effects against light targets, of course its not going to carve through stuff like actual thick RHA but its more than enough against say a MT-LB.

 

Or are you completely missing the point that Plumley is making?

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

29 minutes ago, Lolman345 said:

Yes the 57kg HEAT warhead has enough filler to have high explosive penetration effects against light targets, of course its not going to carve through stuff like actual thick RHA but its more than enough against say a MT-LB.

 

Or are you completely missing the point that Plumley is making?

I F DON'T TALK ABOUT IRL BUT ABOUT HOW IT'S GAME MODELED.

 

Once, you'll read this, maybe you check out... 

 

Of course there is a blast,... but its not equivalent to the 57kg bomb blast.

Edited December 26, 2022 by Cpt_Bel_V

[PlumleyBT 2,980]

8 hours ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

Of course there is a blast,... but its not equivalent to the 57kg bomb blast.

57kg of explosive are 57kg of explosive regardless the ordnance.

It doesn't matter if its a dumb bomb, a guided bomb, a V2 or an AGM. 

[F_16A 1,581]

9 hours ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

I F DON'T TALK ABOUT IRL BUT ABOUT HOW IT'S GAME MODELED.

 

Once, you'll read this, maybe you check out... 

 

Of course there is a blast,... but its not equivalent to the 57kg bomb blast.

Smh

 

This is an "ill informed" comment to say the least.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by F_16A

[Stray_BulletsCze 539]

Summary:
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because OP was already dead.

[SickSix 305]

Good. Leave the tankers alone.

[西北战神胡宗南 0]

On 29/12/2022 at 09:54, SickSix said:

Good. Leave the tankers alone.

Tell that to the Mig-27K busting NATO MBTs from 10000m alt

[ARK_BOI 810]

2 hours ago, 西北战神胡宗南 said:

Tell that to the Mig-27K busting NATO MBTs from 10000m alt

And then GR7 come to teach Russian main a lesson and then they cry like babies 

and guess what? They got Pantsir as reward for being suck at the game

Mav rarely kill MBT in single hit long ago hell that thing designed to kill tanks but it can’t and Gaijin refused to give better mav with larger warheads (like G or K) just because to make Russians main life easy as possible