Countermeasures on stock aircraft, something has to be done about it

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

Recently I unlocked few of new jets and decided to take them for a spin

But each one I have flown, same issue happens. No flares.

And in such missile saturated battlefield, they really are necessary (with AIM-9Ls roaming in BRs as low as 9.0 [A-6E in downtier, it's possible])

 

So I decided to make poll here to hear out your opinion, should countermeasures receive the RP reduction like FPE and Parts on tanks did few years back?

As more and more modern jets are added, their stock missiles are also improving (Event Tornado for example has two stock AIM-9Ls) however you still have to research the countermeasures.

We already approached the point where flares are absolutely necessary for survival in jet combat and in my opinion this elephant in the room needs addressing.

 

Discussion is welcome.

Edited January 3, 2023 by TyphoonCro

[spacenavy90 1,402]

How many of you immediately GE research the flares when you play a new aircraft at top tier?

I know I usually do, and Gaijin wants us to certainly because $$$.

 

I would take any system over the current implementation, stock 50% CM would be my preference and there is precedent for it with the stock missile additions.

[DirectSupport 938]

Gaijin should do a system where they atleast give 50% for flares, I'm okay with no chaff, because you can atleast notch, go cold, or dive against radar missiles and use ground clutter.

 

However, there's nothing anyone can do against AIM-9L, Magic 2, or R-60M if they're stock. It means instant return to hangar. 

Edited January 3, 2023 by DirectSupport

[_WiKi 43]

I died 14 times with the MiG-29 before researching the countermeasures modification and almost lost my mind in that time, so I think the current situation with the popularization of all-aspect missiles makes it almost impossible to play without this modification.

 

I vote for half stock countermeasures, I think that's fair enough.

[Fireraid233 4,275]

Half stock and if not a significant rp drop enough to be able to get them within 3 or 4 battles at least.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Fireraid233

[_Mr_Fahrenheit_ 222]

It's the same logic as having to grind out the Parts and FPE for ground vehicles. Unless you're lucky enough to have people willing to repair/knock out fires, your only other option is to sit in a cap, pay for the unlock or suffer through enough games until you achieve enough points to unlock.

 

Unfortunately, in the upper tiers the lack of parts/PFE or countermeasures becomes even a bigger issue for basic game enjoyment.

Edited January 3, 2023 by _Mr_Fahrenheit_

[Bulletspam 234]

Yeah, jets at 10.7 and up need a way to get countermeasures faster.  Or just start with them stock.

[Hazawa 38]

50 % sounds somewhat fair, and makes it at least possible to keep up with the other planes.

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

 

Basically, this suggestion?

Which is passed to devs in 1 month?

Which is currently in Gaijin hands?

 

Have fun boys.

 

 

Added:

On 03/01/2023 at 18:51, _Mr_Fahrenheit_ said:

It's the same logic as having to grind out the Parts and FPE for ground vehicles. Unless you're lucky enough to have people willing to repair/knock out fires, your only other option is to sit in a cap, pay for the unlock or suffer through enough games until you achieve enough points to unlock.

 

Unfortunately, in the upper tiers the lack of parts/PFE or countermeasures becomes even a bigger issue for basic game enjoyment.

The differences is that currently tanks Parts and FPE only cost 30% of same tier modification.

 

Meanwhile aircrafts have to go through the whole amount of research.

Edited January 5, 2023 by Cpt_Bel_V

[The_Chad_Rammer 27]

6 hours ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

 

Basically, this suggestion?

Which is passed to devs in 1 month?

Which is currently in Gaijin hands?

 

Have fun boys.

 

 

Added:

The differences is that currently tanks Parts and FPE only cost 30% of same tier modification.

 

Meanwhile aircrafts have to go through the whole amount of research.

 

As long as desperate people will buy GE to unlock flares Gaijin wont do anything about it to secure they profits and i bet they are huge... considering everyone from my clan buys GE for unlocking flares for top tier jets rank 8 cuz its impossible to play without em. And my clan is just a little sample from thousands of players... 

 

Countermeasures (especially in tier 8) are much more important compared to stock missiles, and therefore they should have come with plane already researched !!!!!!!!!!!

Edited January 5, 2023 by The_Chad_Rammer

[_Mr_Fahrenheit_ 222]

7 hours ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

The differences is that currently tanks Parts and FPE only cost 30% of same tier modification.

 

Meanwhile aircrafts have to go through the whole amount of research.

Right, but that wasn't the point I was making.

 

As everyone is pointing out, it's a huge money maker for Gaijin so they'll never change it.

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,790]

6 hours ago, The_Chad_Rammer said:

 

As long as desperate people will buy GE to unlock flares Gaijin wont do anything about it to secure they profits and i bet they are huge... considering everyone from my clan buys GE for unlocking flares for top tier jets rank 8 cuz its impossible to play without em. And my clan is just a little sample from thousands of players... 

 

Countermeasures (especially in tier 8) are much more important compared to stock missiles, and therefore they should have come with plane already researched !!!!!!!!!!!

Why didn't they make the same about tanks then? It's pure balance with others types of vehicules.

 

And i'm not agreeing with you on 2nd part.

[KnightsCross20@psn 3,636]

As some have stated….money being the operative motive. When we were flying WWII aircraft, the issue wasn’t as obvious. Tankers started to notice it early on, as the bigger vehicles came into play. 
Go into battle without Parts/FPE? Ridiculous! The threads are several years old now, and there was at least a slight change to the research of those mods. 
Now here we are, for some time already, with missiles, and a stock plane that can’t counter them. 
@TyphoonCro…you should have just went for AI aircraft at the beginning. Let your team get out in front, and stay back, pick off a few aircraft, head back to base. Throw in a few air assault games to help speed things up. Horrible that one has to play that way just to get viable with a new aircraft, but we all know how GJ works 
 

[Box_Soldier 0]

I fully agree with the 50% reduction, it is very very difficult to fly at top tier... especially with the new planes being added, like the Mig-29's, F-16's having stock R-60's and AIM-9L's. 

[AlvisWisla 225]

Should be fully available stock on Rank 7 & higher aircraft that carried them.

[WinstonWolfe 326]

Like idea with 50% of them on board, like missiles on top tier.

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

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• Revision of the use and obtaining of the fire prevention equipment, repair sets for tanks and ships, as well as countermeasures for aircraft. Update June 2023.
  • FPE of ground vehicles will be split into default for single use fire extinguishing, and an improved type, which requires module research and is capable of extinguishing fire twice.
  • FPE of naval vessels will also be split into default and improved. The default one will take longer to put out the fire, with no limit on the number of uses.
  • “Parts” in ground vehicles and “Tool Sets” of naval vessels will also be split into default and improved. Default tools available without modification research will field repair of all modules, not only mobility ones, until partial functionality, similar to Arcade battles repair mechanics.
  • Standard countermeasures will become available immediately to researched aircraft. Options such as “chaff only”, “improved flares”, “mixed”, “flares priority”, will be available by researching the module. Additional options, such as BOL pods or additional chaff pods will remain available by module research.

 

A welcome change